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Pachter: Xbox 720 Won't Launch Until 2014, Rumors for 2012 Are Just Plain 'Silly'

Xbox 720 rumors have been circulating quite a bit in recent weeks, with multiple sources claiming that the next-gen console might even launch by the end of next year to give Nintendo's Wii U a real challenge. The most recent report stated that Ubisoft Montreal is currently working with 'target boxes' and "all signs point to the finalized console arriving at retail in late 2012." If you ask Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter, however, it's all hogwash.

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donniebaseball4578d ago

I think I might actually agree with Pachter for a change. 2012 seems way too early given the sales rate for 360 still.

gamingdroid4578d ago

Yeah, I think the Xbox 360 is in it's prime right now with a very strong momentum. Not sure if releasing a console in 2012 would make sense although one can wish.

I certainly want the next generation to start as soon as possible.

RememberThe3574578d ago

I feel torn between wanting new consoles and wanting them to wait a little longer so that we can get an even bigger jump in tech.

I can wait a bit longer for the next consoles. I don't think Sony or MS want this gen to be over quite yet.

RBdrift4578d ago

It really woudent make since from a business standpoint to replace a product that sells a ton for Microsoft, and Sony just a couple years ago started making profit from each PS3. So I doubt they want to release anything too soon.

stevenhiggster4578d ago

I agree with RB, as much as gamers and devs might want the next gen of consoles, Sony and Microsoft don't.
They are still making tons of profit from 360 and PS3 and lets not forget that neither company is really making ends meet just now.
They aren't gonna go for the risk of launching new consoles just yet.

ApplEaglElephant4577d ago

I wont be upgrading my Xbox 360...

It is clear that MS wants to go the casual route. and i am quite frankly disapointed with how MS just practically dropped hardcore in the middle of a cycle.

They will prob have few exclusives at the launch of 720 to lure core gamers, but i wont fall for it. They will just go back to printing money with Kinect after a year or two.

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ApplEaglElephant4577d ago (Edited 4577d ago )

You are comparing games for 10 million user base(kinect) vs 55 million user base(360)...Games like Dance Central sold 2+ million. How much do you think that game cost to make? a milion bucks tops?

How about games like Halo? you are looking at 50 million bucks. 50 times bigger budge, but i dont see 50 times bigger sales.

Which has bigger profit margin? Dance Central. I am not sure whether you are blindly denying or just dont understand how this works.

gamingdroid4577d ago

I have never had any issues finding games, and MS keeps delivering big AAA exclusives every year with plenty of third party games to mix in. So what is the deal?

I don't mind third party games, nor do I mind playing some casuals games. Kinect Sports and Dance Central are both awesome games. The former which sold over 3 million copies and the latter sold over 2.5 million copies.

http://www.joystiq.com/2011...

Yet, we are getting Halo 4. We just recently got Gears 3, Halo: CEA and Forza 4.

Projekt7tuning4577d ago

So, since Michael Pachter said that. Does that mean it's coming out this Christmas? lol
j/k

tehnoob34577d ago

When the ps3 came out the ps2 was still the best selling console for many months

Mustang300C20124577d ago (Edited 4577d ago )

Yeah but the PS2 didn't go for 6 years before new consoles came out either. This generation is completely different then the last.

I have been in the camp that it will arrive around 2014 due to how the 360 has been doing. I just don't see them launching Halo 4, GTA5 and other games due out next year, and then advertise a new system. What game are they going to advertise with the new system as Halo 4 is being released in the same time frame? On top of that the 360 hasn't seen a price drop in 2 years. They still have that as an advantage. Nothing points to why they would need a system to come out in 2012(Wii U is not a reason IMO lol). Even if devs are getting kits today, I don't see any game being ready for a day one launch by next Fall. I don't see Nintendo repeating their success at the beginning of this generation with what they have currently showed. Nintendo doesn't have the same demographic players that MS and Sony do. They don't have the online infrastructure to compete with either Live or PSN. Those are factors that to think of.

Mustang300C20124577d ago

Yeah but the PS2 didn't go for 6 years before new consoles came out either. This generation is completely differe then the last.

I have been in the camp that it will arrive around 2014 due to how the 360 has been doing. I just don't see them launching Halo 4, GTA5 and other games due out next year, and then advertise a new system. What game are they going to advertise with the new system as Halo 4 is being released in the same time frame? On top of that the 360 hasn't seen a price drop in 2 years. They still have that as an advantage. Nothing points to why they would need a system to come out in 2012(Wii U is not a reason IMO lol). Even if devs are getting kits today, I don't see any game being ready for a day one launch by next Fall. I don't see Nintendo repeating their success at the beginning of this generation with what they have currently showed. Nintendo doesn't have the same demographic players that MS and Sony do. They don't have the online infrastructure to compete with either Live or PSN. Those are other factors to think of.

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Game4life4578d ago

I've been saying it for a while but there really isnt a need for new consoles right now. The price of consoles (except the wii is still about mass market price (200$ or less) I know alot of tech geeks want new consoles with all this stuff but with evrything that they want the console would cost a fortune. The consoles are also just starting to take off in my opinion. Try again in 2013 or 2014

ATi_Elite4578d ago

M$ gained a huge portion of Sony's market share by releasing early. M$ will continue with this strategy.

Releasing a new console now while the 360 is still selling pretty good is the right thing to do. The 360 will still bring in revenue while the 720 is sold at a lost until the 720 can be made cheaper and sold at a profit just like Sony did with the PS2 to help the cash flow while the PS3 lost money until it could be made cheaper.

M$ has already given out system specs to many Devs for next box games.

Halo 4 releasing for the Next box sounds logical (with a 360 version as well)

Xbox 360 is basically on auto pilot right now as M$ has no in house studio making games for it BUT i'm sure devs are working on Next box titles.

I think many gamers are ready for a next box.

dirtrider4578d ago

sorry, but i logged into say im getting tired of seeing m$

sony right now are the ones nickel and diming btw. so ill type this

$ony

morganfell4578d ago (Edited 4578d ago )

Hate to bust your bubble but it has been confirmed that HALO 4 is a 360 title. I am glad because I do not want to wait.

Microsoft isn't going to release a new Xbox next fall and at the same time release their flagship title for the last generation of consoles. How much sense does that make?

Releasing two versions means most players will just buy it for the current 360 which means the punch from a top title is nullified.

More info here including links to the confirmation:

http://n4g.com/news/890984/...

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gamingdroid4578d ago

Why not release it on both consoles?

Early adopters don't adopt early because they can play current games on current systems. They want cutting edge now....

PS2 was still selling when the PS3 was released. I think it would be a great strategy to move forward with dual platform release especially if you get both versions as an incentive to upgrade to next generation console.

That said, there doesn't seem there has been enough leaks to substantiate a 2012 release. Who knows, maybe MS doesn't even know....

DiRtY4577d ago

"The 360 will still bring in revenue while the 720 is sold at a lost until the 720 can be made cheaper and sold at a profit just like Sony did with the PS2 to help the cash flow while the PS3 lost money until it could be made cheaper"

We all know how this turned out.

Financial year 2006: 2 billion USD loss
Financial year 2007: 1.1 billion USD loss
Financial year 2008: 584 million USD loss
Financial year 2009: 890 million USD loss
Financial year 2010: 429 million USD profit

stevenhiggster4577d ago

Gotta lol at people sayin "the PS2 was still selling when PS3 released." Yeah it was, and look how the PS3 sold for the first year or two.

They'll wait till the current console well is dry.

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otherZinc4577d ago

Pachter is absolutely correct!

Reason:
M$ is launching their best selling exclusive Halo 4!
They wouldnt confuse the market.

People were saying Halo 4 would launch to the 720? Why & lose 60million XBOX 360 opportunities? When the 720 would only sell about 5 or 6 million? That's horrible business logic!

I said this before & received a bunch of disagrees! Hay, M$ wont even announce a new XBOX next year with the sale of Halo 4 next year. You can bet on that!

llMurcielagoll4577d ago

I agree as well, I don't know if this is a solid reason but I think 2012 is way too early for next-gen of gaming generally.

We still have games to come on our PS3s 360s Wiis and PCs in the current gen. So for that reason I personally think, nope not gonna happen in 2012 at least.

I think later 2013 or 2014 would be reasonable for the coming of next-gen-gaming.

JsonHenry4577d ago

I can't wait to laugh at Pachter this time next year. :)

frostypants4577d ago

Problem is, Pachter is ALWAYS WRONG. I mean seriously, how this man is still seen as credible by anyone is shocking to me. I guess he knows just enough to fool a bunch of stock traders who know next to nothing about the video gaming industry, but geez...

The 720/PS4 WILL be out by late 2012/early 2013. Period, end of discussion, rock beats paper, etc.

Dno4577d ago (Edited 4577d ago )

Actually you are wrong.

Pach guess at a wii HD... that happened

pach guess at a Call of duty online paying service and that was right.

He gets a lot of things right. (some wrong also)

Also your wrong. they announce new consoles at E3 a year and a half before they release (case in point Wii U). That means THIS YEARS 2011 e3 Would have new systems. It did not. No new system till 2013/14 thats the only end of discussion.

tehnoob34577d ago

Xbox 360 announced e3 2005 and released holiday season 2005

damnyouretall4577d ago

yeah i agree. competing with the wiiu is bs. if that thing cant atleast run unreal engine 4 then its not in it for the long haul. gamers are smarter now cause of these last 2 generations. fanboys of the more powerful console far outweigh fanboys of mario and shit

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Rahim924578d ago

So the 4th Xbox would be called Xbox 1440? Right..

3GenGames4578d ago (Edited 4578d ago )

This isn't about the xbox after the next though. Your logic=flawed. 720 would be a good name, after that they can worry about it. And who really cares? It's not hard to make a name for a system. I'd worry about getting a prototype working first.

Rahim924578d ago (Edited 4578d ago )

My comment was basically supposed to be a reply to Lugia 4000's comment. I forgot to press ''reply'', so partially my mistake

Lucreto4578d ago (Edited 4578d ago )

2014 seems to be a good timeframe.

Developers need time to work with the new hardware, then make an engine to work with it and then develop a game with it and they expect them to do with before next year while they are releasing games this year.

With the economy as it is at the moment a new machine is not what we need around now.

hennessey864577d ago

microsoft could release a new console next year and suprise us all, I think the main difference from last gen is that they have the install base to continue to support the 360 like sony did with the ps2. I think they will probably release in 2013 but we wont have to wait till 2014 thats way too long. 2012 will be the last big year for the 360.

ForROME4578d ago (Edited 4578d ago )

They are launching HALO 4 in Dec 2012 why would they have their "new" system out in 2012?

They Wouldnt

They might announce it; and get people into Halo 4 and say the only way to play Halo 5...

Is on the "new" Xbox

See how that works

Jdrm034578d ago

Or they followed through with their "forward Compatibility" research and for gamers that are actually dedicated to the hobby, they can purchase the xbox 3 and Halo 4 and play halo 4 with better graphics/fps/performance.

hennessey864577d ago

was confirmed for next year but it wasnt announced what system it would be on, microsoft could throw a huge spanner into sonys machine if they release a new console next year with halo 4 as a launch title can you imagine

Wikkid6664577d ago

@hennessey86

Look at the Halo 4 art work on xbox.com. Sure looks like Xbox 360 to me.

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10 Biggest Xbox Mistakes of All Time (So Far)

The Xbox brand has done a lot of good over the years, but their various blunders are pretty wild to look back on in their magnitude.

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piroh10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

Ironically number 9 can save them at this point (releasing games on multiple platforms)

ChasterMies9d ago

By “save them” you mean make more profit for Microsoft. Xbox will still be a dying hardware platform.

OtterX9d ago

You could add the naming scheme for the consoles, it just confuses customers. I know they wanted to avoid traditional numbering bc it would always be lower than their competitor, but this whole 360 then One then Series thing is confusing af. Imagine a Soccer Mom trying to figure this stuff out. I still mistakenly call the Series X the One from time to time on accident.

RNTody9d ago

Don't forget about the Xbox One, Xbox One X and Xbox Series X! Good luck to Soccer moms around the world.

S2Killinit8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

They did that on purpose to confuse and direct attention away from the generational numbering.

MS doesn’t like reminding people that they joined the industry after others had already been involved in gaming.

For instance, they called the xbox “360” to combat PlayStation “3” because they wanted to seem like “more” than “3”, so instead of xbox 2, they opted for xbox 360. Also this had the additional benefit of selling consoles to uninformed parents who might purchase a “360” instead of a “3” by mistake, or because they thought 360 was more than 3. Kind of a disingenuous move.

They have been continuing with their confusing naming patterns for pretty much the same reasons. Frankly, it fits with who and what they are as a brand.

FinalFantasyFanatic8d ago

I can understand their reasoning, but whoever came up with that naming scheme should be fired, bad naming schemes have killed consoles (I'm pretty sure it was the major reason for the downfall of the WiiU). They should have had unqiue names like Nintendo and Sega have had for their consoles, far less confusing for the consumer.

rob-GP5d ago

@FinalFantasyFanatic "They should have had unqiue names like Nintendo..."

lol, you mean:

NES, SNES
GameBoy, GameBoy Advanced, GameBoy Colour, GameBoy SP
DS, DSi, DSXL
3DS, 3DS XL, New 3DS, New 3DS XL
Wii, Wii U
Switch, Switch OLED

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Cacabunga9d ago (Edited 9d ago )

Phil Spencer is the worst that has happened to Xbox.
They built a respectable brand up to Xbox one. Then this guy took over and things became a joke

Reaper22_9d ago

He still has his job. Something you can't say about Jim Ryan.

Cacabunga9d ago

Both bad execs. One is on job and one thankfully retired.

FinalFantasyFanatic8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

I didn't like either person, both people damaged their respective brands and produced worse outcomes, but Phil did save the Xbox brand from being retired by Microsoft. Although in hindsight, he should have just let it die, rather than languish in limbo like it is now.

Rainbowcookie7d ago

Yeah but the one that was "bad" didn't even affect sales.

bunt-custardly9d ago

Phil Spencer was also on the team back when 360 was around, alongside Shane Kim, Peter Moore etc. I think the damage that did the most harm was the Don Mattrick "Always Online" console (ahead of its time basically). They handed Sony and Nintendo a free-pass when that was revealed. It went downhill from there. Then the corporate machine went into full swing to try and recover. They have to a degree as a games company for the masses, and less so for the core gamer. Outside USA, the Xbox brand does not sell as well as Japanese based consoles (citation needed).

Cacabunga9d ago

Want a decision maker. The always online and TV plans was a disaster yes, but they caught up by announcing 1st party games that gamers actually kept the hype going.. until this moron took over and introduced the PC day one release.. e all know where that ended..

S2Killinit8d ago

I dont think they were ever a respectable brand, not since the beginning, when their goal was never to be involved and share in the gaming space. I think the OG xbox was an exception because MS as a brand was still getting its foot in and so the people behind that were people of the gaming industry.

FinalFantasyFanatic8d ago

The 360 was the brand in its prime though, everything went downhill towards the end of that generation. Its staple games like Halo, Forza and Gears are what kept the console relevant and afloat for so long.

MaximusPrime_9d ago

Really good video.

I remember the days with RRoD was big news on here, N4G.

Microsoft had it turbulence number of years.

Looking at the success of Sea of Thieves despite being 6 years old, time to release Halo, Forza horizon 4 & 5 on PS5. It'll help their revenue

shinoff21839d ago (Edited 9d ago )

2 of the 4 games they did already sold really well. So it's definitely going down. Idk about halo or forza but I feel those studios they've bought in the last 5 years, their coming

ChasterMies9d ago

I found this video painful to watch. Can someone list them out?

Top 10 for me from are:
1. 2013 reveal presentation
2. Bundling Kinect 2 with Xbox One
3. RRoD or why rushing to market with hardware is always a bad idea.
4. Buying studios only to close them.
5. Ads on the Home Screen
6. Letting Halo die.
7. Letting Geard of War die.
8. Every console name
9. Charging for Xbox Live on Xbox 360 when Sony let PS3 players play online for free.
10. Cancelling release of OG Xbox games after the Xbox 360 launched.

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Microsoft to Add Copilot AI to Video Games

Microsoft recently revealed its plans to incorporate Copilot directly into video games, with Minecraft being the first showcased example.

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Fishy Fingers13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

F*** AI

"Hey Copilot, what's a good meme to prove I dislike AI".... https://giphy.com/clips/sou...

Einhander197213d ago

Two trillion dollar company that just can't wait to put as many people possible out of work as fast as possible.

It feels like every single thing they do is making gaming worse and destroying the industry.

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darthv7213d ago

....you know it takes people to program the AI.... right? It isnt like it is sentient. We haven't reach skynet level of situation or anywhere close to the matrix just yet.

That's next Thursday.

Einhander197212d ago (Edited 12d ago )

It takes a people to program the AI then that AI is used for who knows how many games eliminating countless jobs which only grows as AI is used for more and more game creation functions.

What you're saying is so ridiculously short sighted and truly larking any kind of understanding and foresight.

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CaptainFaisal13d ago

Why all the hate? Im actually excited about this! Always wanted this kind of immersion, and an AI companion with me all the time helping me out knowing the status of my skills/inventory/progress and giving me tips on the best approach or how to craft something specific is game changing for the industry.

Hate all you want about AI, but this is just the start and I can see the potential already. You wont be complaining in the next 5-10 years about this, but rather complain if a game hasn’t implemented it.

MrDead13d ago

Yes we can't wait for the work of others to be used without the need to pay them so that MS can profit even more from the people they fire.

I_am_Batman13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

There is no chance I'd ever use something like this, especially if it's not part of the core game design, but a layer on top of it. It's way too much handholding. Many games already feel like busy work, because they don't let the player figure things out on their own. Having a real-time interactive guide defeats the purpose of playing the game in the first place in my opinion.

If this were to become the standard like you predict, we'll see more and more video games get away with bad design, because people will just be used to ask for help from the AI companion anyway.

Number1TailzFan13d ago

Well Nintendo don't need this with some of their games these days, with invincible characters, items, easy bosses etc.. they do the hand holding built in

helicoptergirl13d ago

Takes "hand holding" in games to a whole new level.

BlackDoomAx12d ago

Because human nature xD Almost every new technology had these kind of comments.

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Activision team is opening a new game studio in Poland 'Elsewhere Entertainment' to build new AAA IP

Microsoft's Activision subsidiary announced today that it is opening a new game development studio to take advantage of the huge talent pool growing in Poland. It'll be the second Activision studio based in the region, joining Infinity Ward Krakow, although this studio is, in fact, not working on Call of Duty.

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They’re not working on Call of Duty? Give it time.