MS: Wireless N 'keeps Xbox ahead of PS3'

Microsoft has claimed that the Wireless 'n' capability of its new 250GB Xbox 360 'Slim' will help keep its console "ahead of PS3".

[SupeerSteebbi]

Just wait Microsoft, 5 years to go, just wait.

[morganfell]

Xbox ahead of PS3? Uhm, which Xbox would that be?

What is the claim? 40 million Xboxes? Yeah, 40 million. Hey Microsoft, 40 million Xboxes say thanks for being a day late and a dollar short. Is this a free upgrade or do we do the typical hardware behind the power curve and buy again?

[Noami]

the one they plan to release on 2013 w

[3sq]

The one you had to repurchase 6 times.

[SyphonFilter]

lol butthurt M$ fanboy ,sony makes more money,M$ lost 1 billion on RROD alone and never made a profit last gen.

[Proxy]

I play lag free online with my PS3 and the wireless router is on the other side of the house. I'm always open to improvement but I'm wondering what Wireless N has to offer a gamer beyond the lag free gameplay I already have?

[AAACE5]

My wife was just at Gamestop reserving some stuff, and she was shocked at how many people were reserving Xbox 360 Slims. They were even reserving Kinect for $150! Not to mention, since it's release, I have went to several stores and have been unsuccessful in actually seeing one. Don't know if that's because they haven't received them yet or if they just sell that fast. But the Gamestop employee told her that they had 2 shipments in already and they were gone in 10 minutes. But that could also be some of their BS to make people buy them.

[chrisnick]

wireless to go with p2p pay for online service. MS stop treating people like they're stupid.

[Christopher]

Sorry, Microsoft, but Wireless N is pretty much useless in the mass majority of households, let alone somehow a holy grail compared to current connection speeds that are already capped out with other wireless options.

People buy into Wireless N way too easily without realizing that the only strength it really has is extending the connection range and maintaining max connection strength at longer distances.

For multiplayer games, there isn't that much data being pushed that requires anything near the full data transfer rates of a Wireless N connection, let alone A/B/G.

And, if they're talking about downloading movies, there's a cap on the service provider's end that will restrict it more than on the user's end. My 20Mb cable connection is awesome, but I never get that type of download rate if I'm wired or wireless in the house because it costs too much to deliver it at that speed to everyone.

Microsoft, you're blowing smoke up the ignorant asses of the public with this type of comment. Your delivery service is capped by the speeds at which you provide the content, which isn't suddenly increased by a tenfold with the use of a Wireless N card. An b/g card is more than capable of capping out the download speeds of movies from the XBL servers.

[Darrius Cole]

You left out one of the "free"s. It's not just lag-free, but free lag-free. It should be "I play FREE lag free online" meaning no lag and no money.

[APOFISBORICUA]

I live in Puerto Rico and the same thing is happening here. Its mostly 360 owners wanting to change their old rig. The number 1 question everybody asks is : does it RROD like the old model? i think MS is doing something rigth with it. And it is just make a fictious demand for the console. Look, every Gamestop near my house said they only received 2 or 3 XBOX 360 S. They told the people to reserve if they want one, this make the console seems in high demand... its just publishin PR. if MS makes every GS have at least 100 consoles per store the demand would not be as high...

PEACE AND GAMING!!

[badz149]

hmm...that user name, really? and you're just another xbox fanboy playing victim! oh why did I even bother. you'll just come out with another user name again!

[morganfell]

5 different versions and they all had WiFi built in. Sony did it every time from day one. No need to rebuy a PS3 to get WiFi.

[karl]

to stream bluray HD movies from my pc...

i can do 720 but 1080 has a bit of lag...

still... i probably will buy a movie an put the disk in my ps3 .. but from time to time i download some anime hd movie that i cant get anywhere else...

[bostoner]

The two new SKUs that sony listed before E3 both had Wireless N cards. I forget if they ever detailed what came in each bundle but the two were identical to eachother except for their HDD space.

[beardpapa]

I only use simultaneous dual band n wifi for backup/media streaming with several of my nas's. For gaming? G is adequate. I don't think they still sell B these days.

I think how they're calling "N" ahead is just marketing gimmick. The system would be ahead if they had excluded their proprietary hd in favor of user-changeable and included some form of blu-ray. It's not like they "have" to start making games on blu-ray. DVD9 can still be used.

Besides, if they're treating this as a re-launch... why not? They know people will buy the new S.

[SaiyanFury]

My home network is n-band based. My router is a D-Link DIR-655 is the most comprehensive n-band router I've ever used. In my home theatre, I'm using a D-Link DAP-1522 wireless ethernet bridge. I connect both my PS3 and my original 20GB Xbox 360 model to it. My home theatre is completely n-based. Both my PS3 and 360 connect with n-band speed. I have more tech knowledge than the average person, but with a bit of knowledge, anybody can connect both consoles to n-band speed. I won't buy a new model of a console for it's wireless connectivity. As I won't buy Microsoft's 360 wireless adapter. My 360 doesn't have built in wireless, yet I've made it wireless with a bit of researched knowledge. I hope other people do similar research and do it themselves instead of relying on the companies to do it themselves.

[sikbeta]

@Garnett

at least research first before talking about something you don't know, care or hate, like morgan said doesn't matter how many "versions" of the PS3 were made if All of Them are Built in Wifi...

[Chubear]

So what good is that when you still game on Peer to Peer? MS really knows how to dupe it's consumers who often are just totally oblivious.

So in year 5 they bring out a relaunch of their system to carry them into a pseudo next gen and they essentially try to make it PS3 that launched almost 4yrs ago but still doesn't have all the features of a PS3 from years ago. I thought the 360 fanbase love "teh features"? what happened?

Only the features on 360 matter like X-game chat and "forge" matter. Dedicated servers, Proxy-chat (a real ACTUAL online gaming feature), 3D avatar gaming forum space, BLu-ray, internet browsing capbilites etc etc etc all don't matter; ONLY X-game chat is teh UBER feature that kill ALL other features :/

Nice. Let the gullible be gullible. They deserve the shafting MS hands out.

[Montrealien]

"So what good is that when you still game on Peer to Peer?"

Not to be a prick but, Fat Princess, a game I love, says hello. And many of you are so cute when a pro Xbox article comes up on N4G. You guys take this so personally either attacking, or defending, a piece of plastic, its kinda scary. Try to remember its about the games, you would better spend you energy loving and praising the stuff you actually like, instead of attacking the stuff you hate. Eitherway, if you keep it up, it makes me and many others giggle so keep jumping through those hoops for our entertainment.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

/on topic

Anyways, I don' t think the Xbox is ahead of the PS3 tech wise, but Xbox S is certainly a step in the right direction and people buying the S is getting what all of us should of gotten 3 years ago imho, better late then never. the only thing the Ps3 has now, techwise, for people looking for consoles is blu ray, and that is a pretty big advantage.

[Tomdc]

wireless N is in fact everyone a good addition! I know your all think Microsoft can do no right.. but i have a bad connection to my wireless router from the PS3 in my room and only get 50% the speed i can with it downstairs. Granted it's hardly something that "keeps" it above the level of playstation but it's still a good feature believe it or not.

I love the way he says "keeps" as if it were above playstation in hardware terms anyway... that is quite funny.

[HungPHAT]

Umm did this reviewer forget that the PS3 has a next gen Drive "blu-Ray" Cell processor that deveoplers are still saying it's power is limitless ! Werid , oh I forgot his pay check comes from MS just like alot other reviewer sites ...

[rocky5000100]

That may be so, but Wireless N is amazing for streaming stuff from your PC to your Xbox with the higher bandwidth.

[Hideo_Kojima]

So just because they have an N router they are in the lead?

We just forget about everything else?

Like for example the fact the PS3 exclusives look better or that we have a blueray player built in?

[Christopher]

***That may be so, but Wireless N is amazing for streaming stuff from your PC to your Xbox with the higher bandwidth. ***

So, you're telling me the future is in owning two devices, one of them not a console, instead of just doing it all with the one device?

[beardpapa]

"That may be so, but Wireless N is amazing for streaming stuff from your PC to your Xbox with the higher bandwidth"

That may be so, but you'd still need a suitable finalized N router to take advantage of those speeds, otherwise you're just getting "I-wish-I-was-N" speeds which are mediocre compared to the real deal.

If you're just getting a real N router for streaming stuff to one device, then it's not a sound investment. Cheap $3-10 ethernet cable will save you $$$$ and is faster than the wireless alternative.

[Jamegohanssj5]

Welcome to the next generation Microsoft. You've finally made it.

TGSI

[jukins]

lol funny his name is n4gisforps3fanboys but then he spurts out a 360 fanboyish comment. anyway tables seem to have turned first it was sony touting the features it had over xbox 360 while microsoft touted their games (should i call them theirs? lol). now sony has the content and still hardware advantage and now all microsoft is going on about it wireless n keeps them ahead. . . . .

[scofios]

@Jamegohanssj5
Correction they almost made it.

[Sigh]

sadly they're still not in next gen yet. They still don't have the bluray built in.

[Shang-Long]

SIgn

remember blu ray "isnt needed" for this Gen

[rdgneoz3]

@Shang-Long Yah, it isn't "needed", which is why some multi-plat games have had parts cut due to space constraints...

[Pistolero]

bluray isn't needed for the vast majority of games....the few games that do need more space can usually use more than one disc.

[playstation_clan]

the 360 didnt have built in wifi? am i dumb or maybe i dont care about last gen consoles either way. congrats

[sikbeta]

What next Gen you guys are talking about, If there is No Blu-Ray there is No Next Gen...

[cjflora]

By Microsoft's logic, this means they admit that the original Xbox 360 w/o built in WiFi at all was way behind the PS3?

[MNicholas]

Seriously?

Most internet connections don't even max out 802.11b.

Almst no households in the US have internet connections that utilize even 50% of 802.11g.

802.11n is just a cheap specification booster for marketing purposes. Virtually meaningless in the real world.

[-Ikon-]

MNicholas is absolutely correct

[OpenGL]

802.11n is really only useful for streaming HD video through your wireless network, otherwise 802.11g is more than good enough.

802.11g isn't really fast enough to stream HD video, but with the PS3 you can sort of get around this issue by copying the video file to the hard drive through Wi-Fi, something not currently possible with the 360.

[Non_sequitur]

I have 20 Mbps down and 8 Mbps up but in real life it tops at 16 Mbps down and 3 Mbps up. The wireless on my network devices do not ultimately determine my band width my ISP lets me have. If it says 100Mbps it would be impossible for me to get that kind of speed with my "20Mbps" connection Verizon lets me have.

[kneon]

Exactly, I run 1gb wired in the house, including to my main PS3, that doesn't help me once I connect to anything outside the house. Most of the connection latency is out on the net, not in the house.

[zaphod777]

It would be nice to have wireless N on my PS3 for streaming movies to my PS3 but I have my PS3 hard wired anyway so it doesn't really matter. I think for most people it won't make much of a difference.

[vdesai]

Thank god this came up again, I had an argument about this with someone and they would not give in I stated facts. Anyway you are completely correct in most markets its impossible to find speeds that are offered by 802.11n. Not only that, but when you can find it, the price is way to high for the average consumer. I love the fact that streaming wirelessly should be much easier. It is gonna make my life a lot easier I don't have to extend my Ethernet cable through out the house.

[Motion]

Yeah, my fios connection doens't max out my 54mbps G connection, don't really see the need to up that to a 100mbps connection. Hell, if console to pc speed really meant that much to me, I'd just hardwire it...oh wait, i did :p 1000mbps :)

[Boody-Bandit]

I thought wifi was crap for gaming. Isn't that what has been said on this and so many other gaming sites practically this whole generation. Now that the 360 also includes it, finally, it's a positive over the PS3?

Now if only MS would implement BluRay, bluetooth and HDMI 1.3 or higher <- maybe then my handshake audio issue would go away with the 360 on start up.

@Noami below
I play on wifi on both the PS3 and 360 even though I am 15 feet from the router in the same room. But I am going to stop there because I have been called a PS3 fanboy enough for one week. <- You can draw your own conclusions which has served me better.

[Noami]

i play on wifi with only 60% signal and i have 0 lag on ps3

[SilverSlug]

Seriously it won't make you ping more than a ethernet cord. The ethernet is better for more bandwidth, but you don't need THAT much for gaming.

[mantisimo]

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, blah blah !

Sorry bored now, who gives a damn,there is a long way to go in this console cycle before we declare a winner out of these 2 and I know which one I prefer which has true value built in from the start.

*cough* ps3 *cough*

[scofios]

MS: Wireless N 'keeps Xbox ahead of PS3'
And what about the rest ??? ....blu-ray , bluetooth , aa battery free controllers ,free online play , hdmi1.3, Dolby TrueHD ,7.1 surround .......

[newhumanbreed]

Why would the 360 need Bluetooth if it already has a standard mic?

[Pistolero]

way to list every little insignificant thing....if you want to get that picky then why not mention that the 360 S has a lot more USB ports than the ps3, batteries that you can simply and easily switch out yourself, more features on the dashboard, cross game voice chat, voice messages, parties, full game installs, backwards compatibility with many Xbox games....and so on and so forth.

[madpuppy]

You do realize that the PS3 uses bluetooth for all of its accessories? controllers, headsets, keypad, remote control and even the move controllers?

[scofios]

@Pistolero
Sorry to Burst Your Bubble pal .
But are you really trying to conceive us that 2 extra usb ports a 60$ online subscribtion and backwards compatibility that works with maybe 30%of the xbox 1 games.
Are more important than the things i mentioned.
Then bravo for your blind commitment to a company that makes you pay more for less.

[madpuppy]

I had a lapse in reading comprehension. sorry about that!

[Boody-Bandit]

Add up the expense on all those batteries, charge packs and cables then tell us how much you spent over the years. I bet it adds up to a few controllers. I know it has for me.

[CWMR]

That's a stupid assumption. I have rechargeable batteries and a batter charger. I much prefer being able to switch out my own batteries and quickly recharge them then having a battery that gradually loses charge over time and then you have to send your controller in.

I have to laugh at scofios. Do you really think most people give a rat's ass about HDMI 1.3 or 7.1 surround? I would be willing to bet that 95% of PS3 owners cannot even take advantage of those features. They are mostly empty bragging points that mean nothing for most gamers.

And yes, lots of us would take the features the 360 offers over the features the PS3 offers.

[Solstice]

And do you really think people will give a "rat's ass" over things like Wireless N?

Edit: Apparently I can't type today.

[Corepred4]

"I have to laugh at scofios. Do you really think most people give a rat's ass about HDMI 1.3 or 7.1 surround? I would be willing to bet that 95% of PS3 owners cannot even take advantage of those features. They are mostly empty bragging points that mean nothing for most gamers. "

you mean just like wireless N?

[Newtype]

@CWMR
There are people who care about it, HDMI 1.3 is for people who seek True HD, and have a Surround sound system. Only poorfags don't care for it, and it looks like you are a poorfag.

[Boody-Bandit]

Are you aiming that at me?
Because if you are you are chasing after the wrong car.
I probably own close to dozen 360 original controllers, a couple modded ones (blue led mod. not rapid fire <- they can ruin your unit).

I just told my wife today to pick me up another charge cable for my 360 because one of mine is going bad. You have to wiggle it a bit near the controller for the little green indicator to light and let you know the pack is taking a charge.

As far as the PS3 controllers. I have my original sixasis (launch) controller and a DS3 (picked up the day it released), both still hold a charge almost as if they were new and they have had a ton of use considering I only have one PS3 in my home and 5 360 units.

Oh and BTW, most of my friends have True DD & DTS sound systems. True DD and DTS receivers and sound processor are a dime a dozen now. Even low end receivers have it. It's not like it's expensive. Even if you don't have 7 channels and only 5.1 it still provides you with better clarity using a PS3 through HDMI.

Unlike the 360's HDMI that has handshake issues with every sound processor I own. Sometimes it auto adjust to DD5.1, other times I have to manually set it under console / audio settings.

I'm starting to think I should link my photo I provided yesterday (of my 5 360 units) under everyone one of my post and replies. Even then it wouldn't matter. Some just can't handle brutal honesty.

[Oner]

Brutal don't forget this little bit of misinformation CWMR said ~

"having a battery that gradually loses charge over time and then you have to send your controller in."

That is simply FALSE. You can buy a replacement DS3/SixAxiS Battery for like $5 and change it out yourself (after getting well more than 5 years of use!).

[athlon770]

It still suprises me that everyone gets that wrong. It states in the manual how to open the controller to swap out the battery if/when it goes bad. Just like the HDD, everyone said swaping out the drive would void the warranty, yet, right there in the manual is a step by step how too.

[Motion]

Oh good, game installs are a positive now. I can never keep up with the trends.

[IaMs12]

Well i guess in Wireless capabilities for internet yes you are right. But there are other factors that take place. For once you are ahead of the time here MS

[PCnPS3Gamer]

sony: Blu ray keeps ps3 ahead of the 360....

see what i did there....i think it would be cool to have wireless N its actually a feature id want but imo slot loading blu ray drive, with 50gb games, no multi disks, unlimited possibilities, hdmi 1.3 is way better than wireless N.....

sorry ms try again....your hardware is still inferior despite your attempt

[Abriael]

One thing from Microsoft's bold declarations made me chuckle quite a bit:
"Adding Wireless N makes it easier for consumers to get that HD content from Xbox Live into their living rooms and the best way to do that is with Wireless N. That was something we had to adopt to stay ahead of the competition."

I'm sorry Microsoft, but the best way to get that HD content on ANY platform is to simply pull a 10 dollars ethernet cable from your router (most of which don't support Wireless N at all, by the way) to your console of choice.
NO kind of wireless will ever compete with something as simple as a cable.

Just sayin...

[vdesai]

N does compete with ethernet, but what really matters is your internet connection speed. Having N capability won't magically make your internet connection better.

[Misterhbk]

"Blu-Ray keeps PS3 ahead of 360"

[Snakefist30]

yeah 1 PS3=100 xboxes

[Volomon]

Why wait, all you have to do is plug in an adapter (with access point) to one of the usb ports with wireless N. Dudda as they say. You could have done this day one. In fact you can actually do this with both PS3 and Xbox 360, though the Xbox 360 solution is to buy some junk thrid party hardware like mad catz.

However I just want to point out how many of you have have more than 10Mbps? I know I don't I have exactly around that much so what good does N do you if you don't have the bandwidth there to even use the thing? G is around 30Mbps N is up there to 100 Mbps but almost no one actually makes any use of N. The most I can get in my local area is 20Mbps which I had at one point because it's sold for 10 extra bucks, however the reason it's only 10bucks and the original 10 megs is 45 is because almost no one makes use of 20Mbps it's the upstream that's more important because after 10megs your in need more of upload speed than download speed and often larger amounts of MEGs such as in my case only provide increased download capacity with little or no increase in upspeed. In essence theres no point unless your pirating.

At this point it's more important to have a better reliable signal strength and neither wireless option is good in this department, I wouldn't host a game using wireless N for example, so again what's the point of having 20Mbps I mean most likely your using no more than 1-4Mbps at any time.

[No Way]

Leave it to morganfell to come and hate.
Typical.

What'd you expect them to say? "it's not gonna do good?" Uhm, no..

[athlon770]

Right because when the PS3 came out, EVERY other console were already using a media capable of holding 50gb of information and a Cell processor which is still putting some supercomputers to shame. Yeah, the PS3 is not next gen at all! Oh and built in wireless from day one. Oh and HDMI output from day one.

/s

[gtamike]

PS3 games are really ahead in graphics and first party companys.

[NYPunkster]

Seriously tho the focus here should be the games and not some stupid wireless card.

I thought Blu-ray, HDMI and 3D games would have been enough but I guess not... xbox users you can't seriously buy into this shite!

[Blacktric]

Haahhahaha like that "Wireless N" enhances graphics or sound or prevents console from giving errors or something. Who said this BTW? Aaron Greenzorg?

[Tony-A]

Keep them ahead in terms of what? Who has the newest wireless capabilities?

Whatever you say, Microsoft.

[Natsu89]

As far as i know the new ps3 slim models have wireless n too
so what? There are still 40 mio boxes without it :P

[OpenGL]

They're still 802.11g, but it's really not that much of an issue. Microsoft is really grasping at straws here when their console uses HDMI 1.2, lacks Bluetooth, and Blu-ray.

[Dorwrath]

No they don't, at the moment it's just a rumor that N will come in the future models.

[seij555]

It has been proven you don't need more than 3mbs to experience lag free gaming so what is the point?

[GARBAGE LICKER]

downloads

[duplissi]

yeah, so how many people have internet access speeds in excess of 54mbps?

[hm106383]

I have 5mbps, that's the fastest available in my area unless I wanna pay over $100 a month. So no Wireless N probably won't be useful for quite a few years.

[Volomon]

Downloads, I mean if thats the greatest benefit there's really no point. Even if your right I guarantee you don't have more than 10Mbps so all that extra potential speed aka the reason for having an N adapter is worthless. The people who pressed agreed don't even know what speed they have.

[Al Bundy]

What about the 40 million Xboxes that don't have wireless N built in?

[Philaroni]

Sad right? They don't even have Wireless all together. Bet the next PS3 sku has wireless N. Then what will MS say?

[Ri0tSquad]

Probably something stupid and desperate like "More USB slots 'keeps Xbox ahead of PS3'".

PS3 runs circles around the Xbox in hardware functionality. 360 still lacks Blu-ray, Bluetooth, and non-proprietary HDDs.

[adamx]

" we did it first" lol

[etownone]

You can always buy it as an accessory.

At least the option is there.

[duplissi]

LOL! yeah for 100 bucks... no thank you.

[bjornbear]

http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-...

not 100...but still a HUGE rip off

[NecrumSlavery]

I plug in anyway so this isn't really a perk. No 360 can push ahead of a PS3 until it has bluray, internet browser, blutooth, free online, and Nathan Drake

[Nitrowolf2]

yeah the option is always there
but for PS3 it came built in every model (except 20GB launch i think)

[etownone]

The option to have wireless N you frigging tards!!

Whether it's 5 bucks o a hundred, Xbox 360 has the option to have wireless N .... Just as it has the option to download the FULL game to your hard drive ....

The PS3 does not.
How can you argue or disagree with fact kiddies???

[Ri0tSquad]

These accessories have been available since the PS2/Xbox days.

http://www.amazon.com/TREND...

[duplissi]

no... no... no...

you have the option to spend MORE MONEY on things that shouldnt be propretary or should be included..

and its about time wifi is included.

[Canas2010]

That was for G homey:

"Xbox 360 Wireless Network Adapter A/B/G Networks Only
$79.99 $71.38"

The N one is like 84 bucks. try again

[Johnny Rotten]

the first 4 xbox 360's I had did not even have HDMI.
lol

[Philaroni]

That and it only has HDMI 1.2 not 1.3

[Pistolero]

you guys keep talking about how useless Wireless N is but then you act like HDMI 1.3 is some major bragging point...hahaha...a huge number of people have HDTVs or SDTVs that do not support HDMI 1.3....and even if you do have HDMI 1.3 compatibility on your TV it is of little use....does it give you better picture quality?...no

it makes 3D support easier, you say?....well, again only a very small number of people own 3D tvs....so it is of very little real world value for the majority of consumers.

[Godmars290]

Another $100 and - BAM! - caught up to the PS3!

Nevermind the whole, you know, Blu-ray thing...

[adamx]

well half of those are dead so...

[gamer2010]

Half of PS3 fanboys' brains are dead so...

Your brain must be dead if you think half of all 360s sold are dead. Such a scenario absolutely doesn't coincide with the software sales, and that's even taking into consideration that the 360 has a pretty big problem with piracy. No, all indications point to the likelihood that most 360s that have been sold are still out there being used as gaming consoles.

[MysticStrummer]

I'm sure there are launch 360s still being used somewhere, but as for my gaming world I had 4 friends who couldn't wait for a PS3 so they got 360s and now none of them own one. They all went through multiple replacements before getting fed up and buying PS3s. Funny how none of them thought XBL was worth paying for.

[baodeus]

If you want N wireless, go get an N Router for your entire house (>$50 would be good). Get a signal enhancer ~$20 and place that where ever u want to put your console. Hook the ethernet cable from your gaming machine (PS3/x360) and you get N connection. U don't need the wifi for crap. Any console with ethernet connection can take this route (much cheaper) for fast connection.

I know, i bought an N router ($150 ones) and streaming HD on netflix, videos or anything like that online is like a dream. Everything does seem to be faster because the bandwith is not as limited plus the higher ones can block interference which enhance receiving signals dramatically. I can't believe how fast it can stream stuff (streaming seem to be the future). That $150 is totally worth the money.

And yes, there are lag on PS3 so don't lie. Go on youtube, just type in any lag for any games etc...and you see plenty, both x360 and Ps3. Just because you guys have fast connection, doesn't mean everyone also have the same luxury. Lag is inevitable.

[Shuklar]

You missed the lag point entirely. It's not that the the b/g/n is the bottleneck, it's the service provider. Take those "laggy" people to a better service provider, and bam...their console isn't bottlenecked

[Alcohog]

There are not enough Face_Plains on the interwebs.

[ukilnme]

I support the hell out of Xbox 360 but this is really a stretch.

[Nathaniel_Drake]

So where's your Blu-ray and 3D???

[duplissi]

wait! no you didnt!..... you did.

[CWMR]

Oh please, like every console needs 3D and Blu-ray. Neither the Wii or the 360 have those and the Wii is positively killing the PS3 and the 360 is still ahead of the PS3.

I guess it makes sense that you guys think it is so important since most of you are movie watchers first and gamers second.

[CJJA]

bluray is important for big games. were not talking sales, bluray wins over DVD. this isnt about movies, its about space on a disc. when are u people going to learn tht?

[bjornbear]

wtf?

[saint_john_paul_ii]

i really dont want to laugh today...

[Fart_Bomb_Fire]

Then Pray with me Father !

" Oh dear Lord, Please send a fire ball straight
at Microsoft corp, amen"

[Narutodemonx]

..you need games something MS doesnt have

[CellularDivision]

@ NecrumSlavery
I appreciate how you are trying to "weed N4G of people like him". I really do. Unfortunately, you are a hypocrite.

[Michael-Jackson]

HD-DVD needs to return :/

[hadster]

"That was something we had to adopt to stay ahead of the competition"

My god that must of been tough.

[-EvoAnubis-]

*clears throat*

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Let me get this straight. They think that having a better version of Wi-Fi makes up for the fact that they have no Blu-Ray, a inferior form of HDMI, no web browser, and a HDD that you can't swap out with a standard drive?

Now THAT'S comedy. Thanks for the laugh, Microsoft.

[Re-versed]

its a pretty underestimated servise because of its beginning...Most of the people havent visit it again to see its improvement...Xi also was AMAZING!! If you werent a part of this you really missing out some of the greatest console related activities i and the members of it had...It made people run to train stations ect in real life to check for riddles anwsers everyday...Please sony,make a sequel to this!

[Nitrowolf2]

"MS: Wireless N 'keeps Xbox ahead of PS3"
dude MS was ahead in terms of wireless when sony decided to make it mandatory to have built in wireless inside there PS3 since launch (accept 20GB models i think)
So where exactly is the blu-ray?
Where is the 3D?
So what exactly does this do?
Where are all the great 1st parties exclusive studios that sony has?

[Nitrowolf2]

that first sentence came out wrong
i ment Sony has always been ahead of MS in wireless since they had it built in from launch

[Transporter47]

So unless you have one from the beginning this wont benefit you.. and i know most people that have a routher it ain't N how i know because i'm a computer technician and i go to many peoples house to fix computers and i always look at their routers

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

Yep! and the funny part is that most people don't have N routers, you also need a fast internet connection otherwise it defeats the whole purpose.

[SyphonFilter]

no blu ray
unreliable
outdated graphics chip
dvd tray/drive format

[AreIYOUISERIOUS]

http://www.guruht.com/2008/...

Outdated, huh?

[SyphonFilter]

yea i said it,its outdated,showing no power at all. also outdated dvd from 10-15 years ago.

[stonecold1]

to do some researched what david cage says about the 360 hevy rain cant be done it would be thrown out the window

[saint_john_paul_ii]

yes, its out dated because of games like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

this:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

this:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

this:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

i could post more, but dont really feel like it.

the Xenon cpu and Xenos gpu do not do something that the Rsx and the Cell does:

http://n4g.com/news/548949/...

[CWMR]

Really?

Gears 3 looks at least as good as Uncharted 2 if not better.

Crysis 2 and Rage look better than Killzone 3.

They other ones are not even worth talking about because they are nothing special. GT5 and MotorStorm 3 look about as good as Forza 3. They have different looks but they don't look better.

But it doesn't matter. Showing games you THINK look better than certain other games does not prove anything. Professionals in the industry have already explained over and over that the two consoles are essentially equally powerful. The 360 is better at some things and the PS3 is better at others.

[Foliage]

HAHAHAHA

CWMR is so delusional.... no real need to comment...

Gears 3 looks better than Uncharted 2? It doesn't even compare to Uncharted 1. Gears 3 is Gears 1, no difference.

And Crysis 2 and Rage don't even manage to look better than a PRE-ALPHA Killzone 3... so you just disproved the point you were trying to pretend you had.

And heck no does Forza compare to the king of racers. You need an eye test.

The 360 is better at bricking, the PS3 is better at games.

Wow... I probably can't sleep after such a stupid comment like the one you left, I will be laughing the whole night. What an idiot.

[Why o why]

we know you bleed green but you are really pushing the boundaries of what an xbox defender is.

Your first comment talks about how people dont give a 'rats ass' about usable features whilst defending an unusable feature that MS are actually bragging about.

your second uses the wii as a deflections because for your arguments sake sales > games we wanna play

Your final comment reads like a xmas wish list from a 5 year old, full of hope and projection. 'GT5 and MotorStorm 3 look about as good as Forza 3.' damn... you must be like 12-16 or something because its obvious you are NOT trolling or having a laugh ala bungie or sodapopinsky. You actually WANT to believe the crap you spout...

thats 3 strikes dude .......you're outta here and thank **** for that

On topic its good MS are adding features but bragging like this just shows how foolish they think some of the public are. Im not expecting them to have blu ray, 7.1 etc but when you're the only console out of the 3 that DOESN'T have wi fi, browser, free online its shows. Now wi fi's struck off its a step closer to parity in terms of features and thats GOOD but again, nothing to brag about

[TheObserver]

I don't think anyone in the US can max out the bandwidth of Wireless G anytime soon with internet download speed. Wireless N have less latency and interference; however, it is not something to beat your chest and holler on the roof over.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

I don't even think Wireless "N" existed when the PS3 launched. Anyway's I'm not against them giving the 360"S" Wireless N capabilities because people are slowly moving towards "N" routers and networks so preparing for the future isn't a bad thing.

[Silly gameAr]

I think it's time for MS to start focusing on MS.

[gamer2010]

I think it is time for Sony to start focusing on Sony. No more jabs at Microsoft made by Kevin Butler or other Sony reps.

You see, it goes both ways. But I'm not a naive 19 year old, I know that this is just how business is done. I don't think either company have gone too far with it or anything.

[0oAngeluso0]

To stay ahead. The places the consoles are in is where they will end up. I already own all three, including a PS3 slim and now as of a week ago a 360s. I think it's well built and wireless N is a nice tough. To those not in the know, Wireless N is the best wireless you can get. The built in wireless on the PS3 and the original wireless adapter for the 360 are not really suitable for online gaming.
You can get by sure, but it's not going to be a super connection and you can have issues connecting etc..

Back to my point. The 360s which is selling like crazy is all they needed. A redesigned console that takes the fear of RROD out of people's minds and let's them focus on gaming.
In the end it doesn't really matter which console sells more though, it's all about personal preferences. I get the best of all three and I know there are others like me out there that feel the same way.
Why be held back because of a brand?

[Gene]

Is it selling like crazy?

[0oAngeluso0]

I had to enter a lottery at Gamestop to even get the chance to purchase mine.

[Foliage]

I asked around at least 10 stores, all of them only got 3. They aren't selling well, they just weren't shipped out in huge numbers. I live in a big city, but Future Shop and Best Buy still have them in stock... and they only got 3 to begin with... there is something wrong with this picture....

And the only people I know buying it are already 360 owners who were one of the majority of 360 owners who had their console die, or were just hoping to upgrade. I don't know a single person without a 360 that wants one.

The problem with MS is that they are just selling consoles to their own userbase, not expanding. Banning pirates, bricking majority of consoles, these are all repeat buyers. It doesn't look good.

The shortages to pretend like there is high demand is especially pathetic. Especially since their competitor Sony actually are facing shortages, and they sent out full supplies....

[bahabeast]

you are a stupid f%$# angelus havnt millions of people been gameing without wireless n and i think they still are most people wont have a wirless n router before this year is out mabe even next year dumb a$$

[wenaldy]

D-D-Damage Control!!!!!

[blazBlue]

...I lol'd. Seriously, is today a slow day for news?

[crazyclown]

FAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIL....

PS3 > PS+ > GAMES > 3D > Sony Intelligence > Kevin Buttler > Marcus > RROD > XBOX LIVE > XBOX

OWNED!!! <3<3<3 its ok don't cry, maybe next gen

ps1> ns4
ps2> xbox
ps3> wii >xbox 360

[gamer2010]

You should rename yourself "delusionalclown", since that is what you must be to not realize that your opinions do not constitute facts.

My opinion is 360 > PS3 > Wii, but I do not believe my opinion is the only right one.

[JRobes]

In what ways is ps+ better than xbox live?
I would really love to see your reasons on this topic.
Also, do you have a 3D tv? Have you ever played 3D games on your PS3? Will you ever have enough money within the next 5 years to afford the $1200 3DTV (aside from you crying to your parents that you want one)? As many sites are stating, 3D is revolutionary but nowhere cheap enough yet for the mainstream public. You should also grow up a bit in your responses.

[stephmhishot]

if Sony implements Wireless N into the model version of the PS3 as CVG hints at? Microsoft goes back to the drawing board? MS adds a X-Box logo that you can turn to match the vertical/horizontal state the 360 is currently placed in (was a nice quirk on the original PS3) so that they can say they are offering a new "exclusive" feature to the 360?

If wireless N is on the new model of the PS3, is the 360 doomed?

[mirroredderorrim]

Maybe. At least, by Fanboy Logic.

[SKUD]

WTF?.

[Wikkid666]

g is 54mg
Sharing devices will dived that equally.
So having 4 devices you are down to 13.5mg and so on.

[MorganX]

you are correct, and 54Mb is the "max" burst rate. Wireless-G on a Wirless-N band will also slow down all wireless connections.

Epson has just released a $99 printer with wireless-N and others will follow. Anyone who buys a non-N router is a fool. I've been on N for over a year.

Want to see an end to Netflix downgrading video quality during playback? Move to 802.11n. The proof is in the performance, not the theoretical max specs.

[PS3ROCKS]

saying wired is the way to go.

[cyclindk]

No grade of wireless capability will ever overtake a good old ethernet cord...

[MorganX]

For now, you're correct if you're on Gig. 10/100, Most won't miss the wire with N.

I am completely wireless. Thanks to a dual band wireless, my printer that is G and PS3 do not interfere with the N devices (PC and iMac).

[Gamer_Z]

So Wi-Fi is keeping the Xbox ahead of PS3 hmmmmm. Last time i checked the PS3 had Wi-Fi way before the Xbox ever had it, Oh but wait its not wireless N -_-

Microsoft just shut up

[Tsar4ever01]

MS is right about Wireless N, But only as far as THAT GOES. All Sony need to do is put WiFi N in the upcoming Ps3 slim models they've mentioned with the FCC report. But that'll just pissoff alot of current ps3 owners. I wonder a firmware update would allow ps3 to support wireless N?

[Newtype]

WTF? Firmware upgrading G to N? WTF? Are you serious?

[LedZeppelin]

I cant wait when 2012 happens thats when the console war will end...

[razor1998123]

they should've thought about putting in the wireless in all their consoles(fat xbox 360).sometimes they don't think

[cmrbe]

So wireless is important now?.

and will keep x360 ahead of the PS3? WTF??? lol!!!!.

[Silly gameAr]

LOL at n4gis4ps3fanboys. Funny how only his comments was marked as spam.

[guerojose]

Somebody has got one hell of an inferiority complex going on. I mean, damn, have some pride. It's getting a little pathetic.

First you dress up like her. Then you try to go on a diet and lose only like 2 pounds. Then you keep getting your friend Aaron to talk shit about her, and how all the shit she can do that you can't is just stupid. Then you have to get a camera because she's had one for years.

It's gonna be ok, sweetie.

[emil1]

still ps3 is selling faster:

in first 3.5 years on market x360 has sold 30 million units
in first 3.5 years on market ps3 has sold 35.7 million units

ps3 software is also selling faster:

in first 3.5 years on market x360 has sold 250 million software
in first 3.5 years on market ps3 has sold 290 million software

[tenmohican]

just by plugging in a ethernet wireless N gaming adapter. It is plain ignorance to tout this as a feature that leads in any way regarding this gen console gaming. If anything it just makes it that much smoother for someone to voice message you something like "i just teabagged your face, GF".

[rekof]

MS is ahead because 1 or 1 and the half year advantage,.. and sheer consumer stupidity,.. I know that it is hard for people who have huge library of games to switch,.. but most of them ,.. will own ps3,..

[Rageanitus]

If you plan to transfer large amount of data over local network..... other than that the internetz is not fast enuff.

The only thing I see xbox has is a larger game library, but we all know sony has many games creeping up and there are much more excluxive content wheter it be crap or good on the ps3.

[adonis183]

has wireless N too...... im talkin about the one that comes with lbp and hdmi......

[RatchetandClank]

MS must have ate alot for breakfast because they sure are talking alot of SH!T!

[Voiceofsoi]

I'm going to ask this question to every Xbox fanboy from now on - How many people do you know own both consoles and DON'T PREFER THE PS3? I own both. 3 of my friends do. All prefer PS3 by leaps and bounds. Like comparing the PS1 to the Sega Saturn. Only one guy I know in the world has played both consoles and preferred the 360 - and he thinks MGS3 is the worst Metal Gear, FFX is the worst FF and claims Halo requires more skill than CoD. Nuff said.

Nintendo = the Black Sabbath of console gaming
Sony = the Led Zepplin of console gaming
Microsoft = the Limp Bizkit of console gaming

[CyrusNightshade]

It might have N, but It must be a really cheap one or my router is messed up(witch im pretty sure its not) I have my new 360 right next to my PS3, and I have problems staying connected to live and get kicked all the time.

[zuesholmes]

I'm sure wirless N is putting them ahead of PS3 lol. I'm sure built in WiFi and Blu Ray for the past 3-4 years never put Sony ahead of MS.

[fr3d0]

I'll take gigabit ethernet over N any day

another day another xbox360 fail

[PS360PCROCKS]

Thanks Microsoft, but I'd much rather just have a blu-ray player.

[Bolts]

Agreed. The benefits of wireless N can be debated, the value of having a Bluray player can not.

But I would rather have wireless N if given a choice, this is something that should be included in all PS3 slim. I'm not sure why Sony decided to go without this feature.

[Rixynator]

ahead? NOT!!!

[lonix]

but gigabit lan is better

[Obama]

Finally, MS. Now you just need a blu-ray drive and some exclusives to become a ps3.

[Paradise Lost]

Dosen't affect me really since i have a G router.
Most people still use G so it's pretty pointless to buy the new 360 if you think everything is going to be alot faster.

[SlaughterMeister]

Blu-Ray on PS3 keeps Microsoft's heads tucked firmly up their asses.

[xtremeimport]

yeah except for my bluray and the fact that when i play Halo3 with the Nwireless it lags like a maf*cker

[JonDiskonected]

yeah.....after 3-4 years that the ps3 had wi-fi built in, you finally did it....congratulations on being ahead

[Re-versed]

laggy connections on online gaming in LIVE will not change cause of N wireless... Also how many xbox 360 slim models have been sold?? i guess that 30 mil fat 360 owners are behind of ps3?? all ps3 models have wifi...So based on the statement they made i jump to this logical conclusion...

[tudors]

and most of you have a point, all I will say is that in my experience my wireless N devices run better than the none wireless N devices, so it is a plus.

[Ju]

It's definitively a plus. Why would anybody deny that? We are really going downhill here.

[jneul]

wireless N is not going to make x-box live run any faster guys, they have to upgrade the servers to do that, so this is a pretty pointless complaint, anyway we still have the cell and blu-ray, xbox will never get those so ps3 will still be more powerful.
claps hands slowly for ms finally realising that wi-fi is actually needed

[Spawn-KING]

PS3's Wi Fi / Blue Tooth is fast,plus how can the 360 say their ahead in tech while the PS3 has BLU-Ray . FAIL MS .
PS3 is the true all around system .

[devilhunterx]

wait wait wait. didnt M$ say that Wireless was not needed?

[Ult iMate]

DS have built-in wi-fi, Wii have buil-in wi-fi, PSP have built-in wi-fi, PS3 have built-in wi-fi.
And only for Xbox it "wasn't needed". But now MS suddenly got cocky because they implemented a wi-fi in their new Xbox360 model as if it's something unseen before. -__- . But how about 40 million sold Xboxes? Is wi-fi still not needed in them? ))) .

[NeloAnjelo]

So built in wireless N keeps the 360 ahead? So after every online 360 owner bought a system, AND a wireless adapter... they now buy another system... yeah ahead of milking consumers... therefore higher sales...

Go buy a 20 gb HD.
Go buy a Wireless Adapter
Pay for Online
And Batteries

The only people that shold be happy about the new 360 are new adopters...

Bluray keeps Sony ahead in terms of innovation...

[BDG]

bit of a non story really this.
The fact that MS has finally included any wireless is a big win for anyone that buys it but as for whether this puts xbox360 ahead of PS3 in terms of hardware, I think not.
g or n wifi still works for most users in terms of access to internet (at current available speeds - however rumoured 500mb speeds touted by virgin may change this in the next couple of years) and streaming media from pc.
I would imagine that many xbox buyers will go get this thinking they have n and not even realise that their router is only g (or less). Point being that while this does make the system a little more future proof I feel that by the time n become a requirement and not a bonus we will have xbox 720 or PS4 to contend with which will no doubt have the same feature as standard (now MS has finally seen the error of their ways with built in WIFI)

[ReBurn]

Nothing like a good flamewar to warm things up in the morning. Let the insecurity flow guys. Fight that good console fight.

[Treyb3yond]

360 is ahead of PS3 in is fail rates.

[Whackedorange]

The 360 is ahead over PS3 in alot of other ways to

1. It offers more content on the market place
2. It offers more retail games than Ps3
3. It ahead of the ps3 if we compare sale

I have preordered the new Slim and cant wait until i get my hands on it

[CJJA]

1, quality or quantity
2, "more" haha i prefer good games sorry.
3, sales...really? thats a dumb comparison, 360 a year head start, cheapest console for the longest time, ps3 is doin damn good were its at.

[BYE]

If that'S what they think will keep them ahead then goodnight Microsoft, seriously.

[Ju]

Well, I am with the 360 here, though.

Hilarious to read through all the comments. Yes, they actually gave that thing a wireless - after 5 years on the market. And yes, they used the latest technology which happens to be "N". Anything else would have been a joke. And yes, N is ahead of the PS3's built in G. Does it really matter much ? Guess not. But I would still go with N in the PS3 would they upgrade that chip (which is easily possible for a new HW revision, because it is not game relevant at all).

But all this arguing here is just funny. It is ahead of the PS3's built in WiFi. So what? Doesn't make the PS3 obsolete all of a sudden?

Well, hey Sony, BTW, are you listening ? They got 3 USB ports on the back, too. I like that much more than their N WiFi. Maybe you might want to put something like that into the next models, considering the Move will eat at least one port. And why would I want to have that cable sticking out at the front ? Thx. But maybe you already did the 250x models ?

[MorganX]

Bubbles

[xino]

so...Microsoft expect people to use Wireless for online gaming:/

good luck with the lag

but at least it's nice that the XBAWKS 360 Slim has built in wifi, but because of the wifi doesn't make it ahead of ps3

[rezzah]

IF its coming from MS then I dont believe it. IF many people start saying and show that they have proof to back up their claims then I will.

[hiredhelp]

248 Mbit/s data rate is max for 802.11-N, but the real world speed depends on the device adapters working with the router. not only that many users like myself prefer a much more stable ethnet cable than wireless.

[Scottyabanks]

The way i see it, if it's that important, Sony can simply upgrade the console to include wireless n just as easily as they reduced the cell chips' size in the past to make they console more efficient, and just as they seamlessly integrated blue tooth and a built in mic throughout different iterations of the psp. If the gamers want it bad enough, we may see an upgrade in the future.

[hiredhelp]

quite right it is a easy feature to inc with any upcomming models.

[KillerPwned]

People really care to much about proving which company is better i really could care less. I enjoy all the games that developers bring me. All 3 consoles are great but none of them are perfect by a long shot.

[Jason143]

really reaching here arent we.

[Keltik82]

Stop making stupid comments. Honestly, you don't have any room to talk especially after that so called "E3 show" you had. You will always be a step behind the competition. If it wasn't for the endless pockets of cash you would have been gone a long time ago. Freakin A, Microsoft says stupid sh**!

[Prcko]

lol not rly!

[CJJA]

gotta love MS smoke and mirrors :]

[gano]

See this is that type of clown ass illogical behavior M$ brings into gaming.
I still don't want your system. Sorry no sale.

[Karum]

The inclusion of Wireless N is indeed a nice feature but Wi-Fi for gaming is simply not the way to go. Wireless technology, even the newest N standard is still susceptible to environmental interference.

I used the wifi on my PS3 for a while and it simply was just not reliable, the same goes for the numerous laptops I've used on my own network. Not to mention the thousands of people I spoke to during my time in tech support for a large ISP.

An ethernet connection is the best way to go without a doubt.

Sorry but Wireless N is not enough to push one machine ahead of another. The inclusion of a 250 gig HDD is more of a factor than Wireless N is imo.

[djmindz]

this vid will explain why

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Ult iMate]

It's something offtopic. But nice video anyway.

[BrianC6234]

This is rubbish. When it comes to gaming Wireless N means nothing. If you haven't set up a Wireless N network you won't understand it but it's too complicated to get the full speed out of it. Over the Internet you can't go faster than your broadband speed either. Wireless N would only help if you set up your own network in your home to play over. If you do that then use cables and not wireless. It will be even faster. Microsoft should have just gone with 802.11g. That's good enough.

[saimcheeda]

'PS3 owns the 360'? of course Microsoft is going to say stuff like these even if many may not agree with it!

[ATi_Elite]

Hey the PC has had Wireless N for a long long time and it does make for a stronger connection at greater distances and through walls of well built homes.

Downloading movies all depends on your broadband connection speed but wireless N is an improvement but Blu-Ray is better as far as a buying feature cause you buy consoles for gaming.

[waltyftm]

HAHAHHAHA BYE BYE USA !!!!!! ENGLAND FTWC

[LeonhartX]

hmmmmm....
Microsoft really has balls to speak about a feature the ps3 had since launch even if it's ''n'' this isn't enough

[You Noob]

ahahhah a pathetic!

[LinuxGuru]

Wireless N gives microsoft the edge? ahahahahahahahahahahaha

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAHHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[adonis183]

putting rechargeble batteries on the controller

[Magna Farta]

...have been lag-free for years thanks to my 22Mbps connection.

I upgraded from a wireless G to a wireless N, and I have yet to see a difference in anything other than range.

[Karum]

That's because you have G rated equipment meaning that you're not seeing the benefits of your N rated router.

[supremacy]

http://www.computerandvideo...

and back down you go, next.

[Spenok]

Lol, what a statement. Keep dreaming Microsoft, keep dreaming.

[Mr_Luke]

Oh well.... let's say it's still an update, for a console that untill now needs a cable between it and the router or an extra expensive adaptor to buy...