Microsoft has claimed that the Wireless 'n' capability of its new 250GB Xbox 360 'Slim' will help keep its console "ahead of PS3".
Just wait Microsoft, 5 years to go, just wait.
Xbox ahead of PS3? Uhm, which Xbox would that be? What is the claim? 40 million Xboxes? Yeah, 40 million. Hey Microsoft, 40 million Xboxes say thanks for being a day late and a dollar short. Is this a free upgrade or do we do the typical hardware behind the power curve and buy again?
the one they plan to release on 2013 w
The one you had to repurchase 6 times.
lol butthurt M$ fanboy ,sony makes more money,M$ lost 1 billion on RROD alone and never made a profit last gen.
I play lag free online with my PS3 and the wireless router is on the other side of the house. I'm always open to improvement but I'm wondering what Wireless N has to offer a gamer beyond the lag free gameplay I already have?
My wife was just at Gamestop reserving some stuff, and she was shocked at how many people were reserving Xbox 360 Slims. They were even reserving Kinect for $150! Not to mention, since it's release, I have went to several stores and have been unsuccessful in actually seeing one. Don't know if that's because they haven't received them yet or if they just sell that fast. But the Gamestop employee told her that they had 2 shipments in already and they were gone in 10 minutes. But that could also be some of their BS to make people buy them.
wireless to go with p2p pay for online service. MS stop treating people like they're stupid.
Sorry, Microsoft, but Wireless N is pretty much useless in the mass majority of households, let alone somehow a holy grail compared to current connection speeds that are already capped out with other wireless options. People buy into Wireless N way too easily without realizing that the only strength it really has is extending the connection range and maintaining max connection strength at longer distances. For multiplayer games, there isn't that much data being pushed that requires anything near the full data transfer rates of a Wireless N connection, let alone A/B/G. And, if they're talking about downloading movies, there's a cap on the service provider's end that will restrict it more than on the user's end. My 20Mb cable connection is awesome, but I never get that type of download rate if I'm wired or wireless in the house because it costs too much to deliver it at that speed to everyone. Microsoft, you're blowing smoke up the ignorant asses of the public with this type of comment. Your delivery service is capped by the speeds at which you provide the content, which isn't suddenly increased by a tenfold with the use of a Wireless N card. An b/g card is more than capable of capping out the download speeds of movies from the XBL servers.
You left out one of the "free"s. It's not just lag-free, but free lag-free. It should be "I play FREE lag free online" meaning no lag and no money.
I live in Puerto Rico and the same thing is happening here. Its mostly 360 owners wanting to change their old rig. The number 1 question everybody asks is : does it RROD like the old model? i think MS is doing something rigth with it. And it is just make a fictious demand for the console. Look, every Gamestop near my house said they only received 2 or 3 XBOX 360 S. They told the people to reserve if they want one, this make the console seems in high demand... its just publishin PR. if MS makes every GS have at least 100 consoles per store the demand would not be as high... PEACE AND GAMING!!
hmm...that user name, really? and you're just another xbox fanboy playing victim! oh why did I even bother. you'll just come out with another user name again!
5 different versions and they all had WiFi built in. Sony did it every time from day one. No need to rebuy a PS3 to get WiFi.
to stream bluray HD movies from my pc... i can do 720 but 1080 has a bit of lag... still... i probably will buy a movie an put the disk in my ps3 .. but from time to time i download some anime hd movie that i cant get anywhere else...
The two new SKUs that sony listed before E3 both had Wireless N cards. I forget if they ever detailed what came in each bundle but the two were identical to eachother except for their HDD space.
I only use simultaneous dual band n wifi for backup/media streaming with several of my nas's. For gaming? G is adequate. I don't think they still sell B these days. I think how they're calling "N" ahead is just marketing gimmick. The system would be ahead if they had excluded their proprietary hd in favor of user-changeable and included some form of blu-ray. It's not like they "have" to start making games on blu-ray. DVD9 can still be used. Besides, if they're treating this as a re-launch... why not? They know people will buy the new S.
My home network is n-band based. My router is a D-Link DIR-655 is the most comprehensive n-band router I've ever used. In my home theatre, I'm using a D-Link DAP-1522 wireless ethernet bridge. I connect both my PS3 and my original 20GB Xbox 360 model to it. My home theatre is completely n-based. Both my PS3 and 360 connect with n-band speed. I have more tech knowledge than the average person, but with a bit of knowledge, anybody can connect both consoles to n-band speed. I won't buy a new model of a console for it's wireless connectivity. As I won't buy Microsoft's 360 wireless adapter. My 360 doesn't have built in wireless, yet I've made it wireless with a bit of researched knowledge. I hope other people do similar research and do it themselves instead of relying on the companies to do it themselves.
@Garnett at least research first before talking about something you don't know, care or hate, like morgan said doesn't matter how many "versions" of the PS3 were made if All of Them are Built in Wifi...
So what good is that when you still game on Peer to Peer? MS really knows how to dupe it's consumers who often are just totally oblivious. So in year 5 they bring out a relaunch of their system to carry them into a pseudo next gen and they essentially try to make it PS3 that launched almost 4yrs ago but still doesn't have all the features of a PS3 from years ago. I thought the 360 fanbase love "teh features"? what happened? Only the features on 360 matter like X-game chat and "forge" matter. Dedicated servers, Proxy-chat (a real ACTUAL online gaming feature), 3D avatar gaming forum space, BLu-ray, internet browsing capbilites etc etc etc all don't matter; ONLY X-game chat is teh UBER feature that kill ALL other features :/ Nice. Let the gullible be gullible. They deserve the shafting MS hands out.
"So what good is that when you still game on Peer to Peer?" Not to be a prick but, Fat Princess, a game I love, says hello. And many of you are so cute when a pro Xbox article comes up on N4G. You guys take this so personally either attacking, or defending, a piece of plastic, its kinda scary. Try to remember its about the games, you would better spend you energy loving and praising the stuff you actually like, instead of attacking the stuff you hate. Eitherway, if you keep it up, it makes me and many others giggle so keep jumping through those hoops for our entertainment. http://www.youtube.com/watc... /on topic Anyways, I don' t think the Xbox is ahead of the PS3 tech wise, but Xbox S is certainly a step in the right direction and people buying the S is getting what all of us should of gotten 3 years ago imho, better late then never. the only thing the Ps3 has now, techwise, for people looking for consoles is blu ray, and that is a pretty big advantage.
wireless N is in fact everyone a good addition! I know your all think Microsoft can do no right.. but i have a bad connection to my wireless router from the PS3 in my room and only get 50% the speed i can with it downstairs. Granted it's hardly something that "keeps" it above the level of playstation but it's still a good feature believe it or not. I love the way he says "keeps" as if it were above playstation in hardware terms anyway... that is quite funny.
Umm did this reviewer forget that the PS3 has a next gen Drive "blu-Ray" Cell processor that deveoplers are still saying it's power is limitless ! Werid , oh I forgot his pay check comes from MS just like alot other reviewer sites ...
That may be so, but Wireless N is amazing for streaming stuff from your PC to your Xbox with the higher bandwidth.
So just because they have an N router they are in the lead? We just forget about everything else? Like for example the fact the PS3 exclusives look better or that we have a blueray player built in?
***That may be so, but Wireless N is amazing for streaming stuff from your PC to your Xbox with the higher bandwidth. *** So, you're telling me the future is in owning two devices, one of them not a console, instead of just doing it all with the one device?
"That may be so, but Wireless N is amazing for streaming stuff from your PC to your Xbox with the higher bandwidth" That may be so, but you'd still need a suitable finalized N router to take advantage of those speeds, otherwise you're just getting "I-wish-I-was-N" speeds which are mediocre compared to the real deal. If you're just getting a real N router for streaming stuff to one device, then it's not a sound investment. Cheap $3-10 ethernet cable will save you $$$$ and is faster than the wireless alternative.
Welcome to the next generation Microsoft. You've finally made it. TGSI
lol funny his name is n4gisforps3fanboys but then he spurts out a 360 fanboyish comment. anyway tables seem to have turned first it was sony touting the features it had over xbox 360 while microsoft touted their games (should i call them theirs? lol). now sony has the content and still hardware advantage and now all microsoft is going on about it wireless n keeps them ahead. . . . .
@Jamegohanssj5 Correction they almost made it.
sadly they're still not in next gen yet. They still don't have the bluray built in.
SIgn remember blu ray "isnt needed" for this Gen
@Shang-Long Yah, it isn't "needed", which is why some multi-plat games have had parts cut due to space constraints...
bluray isn't needed for the vast majority of games....the few games that do need more space can usually use more than one disc.
the 360 didnt have built in wifi? am i dumb or maybe i dont care about last gen consoles either way. congrats
What next Gen you guys are talking about, If there is No Blu-Ray there is No Next Gen...
By Microsoft's logic, this means they admit that the original Xbox 360 w/o built in WiFi at all was way behind the PS3?
Seriously? Most internet connections don't even max out 802.11b. Almst no households in the US have internet connections that utilize even 50% of 802.11g. 802.11n is just a cheap specification booster for marketing purposes. Virtually meaningless in the real world.
MNicholas is absolutely correct
802.11n is really only useful for streaming HD video through your wireless network, otherwise 802.11g is more than good enough. 802.11g isn't really fast enough to stream HD video, but with the PS3 you can sort of get around this issue by copying the video file to the hard drive through Wi-Fi, something not currently possible with the 360.
I have 20 Mbps down and 8 Mbps up but in real life it tops at 16 Mbps down and 3 Mbps up. The wireless on my network devices do not ultimately determine my band width my ISP lets me have. If it says 100Mbps it would be impossible for me to get that kind of speed with my "20Mbps" connection Verizon lets me have.
Exactly, I run 1gb wired in the house, including to my main PS3, that doesn't help me once I connect to anything outside the house. Most of the connection latency is out on the net, not in the house.
It would be nice to have wireless N on my PS3 for streaming movies to my PS3 but I have my PS3 hard wired anyway so it doesn't really matter. I think for most people it won't make much of a difference.
Thank god this came up again, I had an argument about this with someone and they would not give in I stated facts. Anyway you are completely correct in most markets its impossible to find speeds that are offered by 802.11n. Not only that, but when you can find it, the price is way to high for the average consumer. I love the fact that streaming wirelessly should be much easier. It is gonna make my life a lot easier I don't have to extend my Ethernet cable through out the house.
Yeah, my fios connection doens't max out my 54mbps G connection, don't really see the need to up that to a 100mbps connection. Hell, if console to pc speed really meant that much to me, I'd just hardwire it...oh wait, i did :p 1000mbps :)
I thought wifi was crap for gaming. Isn't that what has been said on this and so many other gaming sites practically this whole generation. Now that the 360 also includes it, finally, it's a positive over the PS3? Now if only MS would implement BluRay, bluetooth and HDMI 1.3 or higher <- maybe then my handshake audio issue would go away with the 360 on start up. @Noami below I play on wifi on both the PS3 and 360 even though I am 15 feet from the router in the same room. But I am going to stop there because I have been called a PS3 fanboy enough for one week. <- You can draw your own conclusions which has served me better.
i play on wifi with only 60% signal and i have 0 lag on ps3
Seriously it won't make you ping more than a ethernet cord. The ethernet is better for more bandwidth, but you don't need THAT much for gaming.
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, blah blah ! Sorry bored now, who gives a damn,there is a long way to go in this console cycle before we declare a winner out of these 2 and I know which one I prefer which has true value built in from the start. *cough* ps3 *cough*
MS: Wireless N 'keeps Xbox ahead of PS3' And what about the rest ??? ....blu-ray , bluetooth , aa battery free controllers ,free online play , hdmi1.3, Dolby TrueHD ,7.1 surround .......
Why would the 360 need Bluetooth if it already has a standard mic?
way to list every little insignificant thing....if you want to get that picky then why not mention that the 360 S has a lot more USB ports than the ps3, batteries that you can simply and easily switch out yourself, more features on the dashboard, cross game voice chat, voice messages, parties, full game installs, backwards compatibility with many Xbox games....and so on and so forth.
You do realize that the PS3 uses bluetooth for all of its accessories? controllers, headsets, keypad, remote control and even the move controllers?
@Pistolero Sorry to Burst Your Bubble pal . But are you really trying to conceive us that 2 extra usb ports a 60$ online subscribtion and backwards compatibility that works with maybe 30%of the xbox 1 games. Are more important than the things i mentioned. Then bravo for your blind commitment to a company that makes you pay more for less.
I had a lapse in reading comprehension. sorry about that!
Add up the expense on all those batteries, charge packs and cables then tell us how much you spent over the years. I bet it adds up to a few controllers. I know it has for me.
That's a stupid assumption. I have rechargeable batteries and a batter charger. I much prefer being able to switch out my own batteries and quickly recharge them then having a battery that gradually loses charge over time and then you have to send your controller in. I have to laugh at scofios. Do you really think most people give a rat's ass about HDMI 1.3 or 7.1 surround? I would be willing to bet that 95% of PS3 owners cannot even take advantage of those features. They are mostly empty bragging points that mean nothing for most gamers. And yes, lots of us would take the features the 360 offers over the features the PS3 offers.
And do you really think people will give a "rat's ass" over things like Wireless N? Edit: Apparently I can't type today.
"I have to laugh at scofios. Do you really think most people give a rat's ass about HDMI 1.3 or 7.1 surround? I would be willing to bet that 95% of PS3 owners cannot even take advantage of those features. They are mostly empty bragging points that mean nothing for most gamers. " you mean just like wireless N?
@CWMR There are people who care about it, HDMI 1.3 is for people who seek True HD, and have a Surround sound system. Only poorfags don't care for it, and it looks like you are a poorfag.
Are you aiming that at me? Because if you are you are chasing after the wrong car. I probably own close to dozen 360 original controllers, a couple modded ones (blue led mod. not rapid fire <- they can ruin your unit). I just told my wife today to pick me up another charge cable for my 360 because one of mine is going bad. You have to wiggle it a bit near the controller for the little green indicator to light and let you know the pack is taking a charge. As far as the PS3 controllers. I have my original sixasis (launch) controller and a DS3 (picked up the day it released), both still hold a charge almost as if they were new and they have had a ton of use considering I only have one PS3 in my home and 5 360 units. Oh and BTW, most of my friends have True DD & DTS sound systems. True DD and DTS receivers and sound processor are a dime a dozen now. Even low end receivers have it. It's not like it's expensive. Even if you don't have 7 channels and only 5.1 it still provides you with better clarity using a PS3 through HDMI. Unlike the 360's HDMI that has handshake issues with every sound processor I own. Sometimes it auto adjust to DD5.1, other times I have to manually set it under console / audio settings. I'm starting to think I should link my photo I provided yesterday (of my 5 360 units) under everyone one of my post and replies. Even then it wouldn't matter. Some just can't handle brutal honesty.
Brutal don't forget this little bit of misinformation CWMR said ~ "having a battery that gradually loses charge over time and then you have to send your controller in." That is simply FALSE. You can buy a replacement DS3/SixAxiS Battery for like $5 and change it out yourself (after getting well more than 5 years of use!).
It still suprises me that everyone gets that wrong. It states in the manual how to open the controller to swap out the battery if/when it goes bad. Just like the HDD, everyone said swaping out the drive would void the warranty, yet, right there in the manual is a step by step how too.
Oh good, game installs are a positive now. I can never keep up with the trends.
Well i guess in Wireless capabilities for internet yes you are right. But there are other factors that take place. For once you are ahead of the time here MS
sony: Blu ray keeps ps3 ahead of the 360.... see what i did there....i think it would be cool to have wireless N its actually a feature id want but imo slot loading blu ray drive, with 50gb games, no multi disks, unlimited possibilities, hdmi 1.3 is way better than wireless N..... sorry ms try again....your hardware is still inferior despite your attempt
One thing from Microsoft's bold declarations made me chuckle quite a bit: "Adding Wireless N makes it easier for consumers to get that HD content from Xbox Live into their living rooms and the best way to do that is with Wireless N. That was something we had to adopt to stay ahead of the competition." I'm sorry Microsoft, but the best way to get that HD content on ANY platform is to simply pull a 10 dollars ethernet cable from your router (most of which don't support Wireless N at all, by the way) to your console of choice. NO kind of wireless will ever compete with something as simple as a cable. Just sayin...
N does compete with ethernet, but what really matters is your internet connection speed. Having N capability won't magically make your internet connection better.
"Blu-Ray keeps PS3 ahead of 360"
yeah 1 PS3=100 xboxes
Why wait, all you have to do is plug in an adapter (with access point) to one of the usb ports with wireless N. Dudda as they say. You could have done this day one. In fact you can actually do this with both PS3 and Xbox 360, though the Xbox 360 solution is to buy some junk thrid party hardware like mad catz. However I just want to point out how many of you have have more than 10Mbps? I know I don't I have exactly around that much so what good does N do you if you don't have the bandwidth there to even use the thing? G is around 30Mbps N is up there to 100 Mbps but almost no one actually makes any use of N. The most I can get in my local area is 20Mbps which I had at one point because it's sold for 10 extra bucks, however the reason it's only 10bucks and the original 10 megs is 45 is because almost no one makes use of 20Mbps it's the upstream that's more important because after 10megs your in need more of upload speed than download speed and often larger amounts of MEGs such as in my case only provide increased download capacity with little or no increase in upspeed. In essence theres no point unless your pirating. At this point it's more important to have a better reliable signal strength and neither wireless option is good in this department, I wouldn't host a game using wireless N for example, so again what's the point of having 20Mbps I mean most likely your using no more than 1-4Mbps at any time.