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Playstation 4 and next-gens in danger of being final consoles, says game devs

The free-to-play model has developed into one of the most dominant demographics in gaming, and it may be powerful enough to swallow the console industry whole if they do not change.

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dedicatedtogamers4184d ago

"The free-to-play model has developed into one of the most dominant demographics in gaming..."

LOLOLOLOLOL Oh Examiner! Where's the money to be made in free-to-play? In microtransactions? In advertisement?

Free-to-play doesn't even dominate on PC gaming (where it originated), so why in the would would it be essential for console gaming?

wishingW3L4184d ago (Edited 4184d ago )

free to play is like the worst model because you only get like half the game and then you need to keep paying monthly fees which ends up being more expensive than a full retail game.

ChronoJoe4184d ago

League of Legends is one of the most dominant, if not the most Dominant PC game right now - it uses a free to play model.

And no, you don't have to pay anything monthly. That's kind of the point of free to play... o_O

MikeMyers4184d ago

There have been more issues among the free-to-play model than the author wants to acknowledge. Some games work but a lot of them don't.

knowyourstuff4184d ago

Some give you a fraction of the game and charge for the rest, others have microtransactions, others have an eventual monthly charge, others use ads, others have a combination of the above. It's great because it allows you to try out a game before buying. It also means if someone robs your house they can't take any of your stuff since it's in a cloud. It also means if your system breaks down and you're only allowed to have your games registered on so many consoles, you lose everything and have to buy everything all over again - that's if you can't unregister an old console. They really need to fix that on PS3 as you can only have 2 consoles registered to the same user ID, and thus the same games. Could you imagine with the rate of certain console hardware failures how many people would be losing everything?

HappyGaming4184d ago

So now the rich will be able to beat the poor in the virtual online world too?

I am sorry but I do not see how it is fun to pay $5 for a sword that overpowers anything you can earn through your actual accomplishments in the game!

Wintersun6164183d ago

@knowyourstuff,

Oh, the irony of your nickname is cracking me up.

"It also means if your system breaks down and you're only allowed to have your games registered on so many consoles, you lose everything and have to buy everything all over again - that's if you can't unregister an old console. They really need to fix that on PS3 as you can only have 2 consoles registered to the same user ID, and thus the same games."

FYI, you can deactivate all your PS3, PSP and PSV systems online from your PC regardless of whether the systems work anymore or not.

Once you deactivate your console, the downloaded games won't work on that one anymore. To get them working on another console, sign in on your account and activate the new console. Done.

Source: http://community.us.playsta...

ATi_Elite4183d ago (Edited 4183d ago )

BOTTOM LINE:many consolers (not all of them) know ZERO or are such stubborn fanboys that they refuse to listen to LOGIC!

F2P is whats coming to console Next Gen for SOME games NOT ALL and I wish I could save all these post to throw back in your faces Next console Gen when your playing MMO'S and F2P games on your X720 or PS4!

Yes retail games will still be sold but Sony and MS want more cash so F2P and Digital Distribution will allow them to make more money like how the PC does!

.Dust514 is already F2P on the PS3
.Xbox and PSN arcade are here because of PC Digital Distribution.
.Every other Console game is a FPS because of the High success of FPS on the PC.
.Call of Duty was a PC Exclusive and now it's the most successful game on the consoles EVER!
.Online MUltiplayer came about because of PC Gaming

PC sets the trends that consoles copy. It's not a matter of what's better it's a matter of Business and how it's always been!

and so many Consolers talking about the F2P business model when most of you have NEVER played a F2P game!

I never talk about stuff i dont know about so why do "SOME" consolers without gaming PC make up lies and false facts about F2P gaming when they can't even run Team Fortress 2 let alone Crysis PC?

Stop making up lies about stuff you don't even play!

Hawken, Planetside 2, Cryteks Warface, Tribes:Ascend, Blacklight:Retribution, Firefall, Team Fortress 2, Vindictus, Dragon Nest, RaiderZ, Need4Speed World, Battlefieldplay4Free, etc

just a small few F2P games, YOUTUBE them and watch at HD and be amazed how well they look and play FOR FREE!

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clrlite4184d ago

There are many articles spewing this nonsense. Maybe people are getting paid to say this because it sounds like nonsense.

Like when the 3DS was the hottest selling handheld ever and we were seeing articles about how such and such tablet might be a threat to handhelds.

I personally would rather pay to play than view advertisements.

....and as far as cloud goes, I like having a physical copy of any game I really cherish.

Jason1434184d ago

hehe saved me the time from saying it. High five

Thatguy-3104184d ago

If it weren't because I surf through sites like these I honestly wouldn't here about this free-to-play model. Doubt next gen consoles will be in danger. Unless our favorite franchises just vanish these consoles will pretty much stay.

BinaryMind4184d ago

Didn't bother reading the article when I heard it was the examiner. An interesting topic if these guys seem to have taken the completely wrong approach to it.

I have to say it might be the last. Launching a new console is more dangerous than ever and could squander the current console's profits. If Microsoft or Sony abandon their 360/PS3 so soon after launching their new console, their games divisions might be in hot water.

ATi_Elite4183d ago

League of Legends is F2P and has over 13 million Gamers!!!

Battlefieldplay4free and Need 4 Speed World make EA several million dollars a month and both are F2p!

World of Warcraft is now F2P up to a certain Level

F2P is the most DOMINANT way to make money in the Video Game industry right now and everyone including Consoles is adopting the format!

Perfect example: APB was Dead in the water until the Devs remade the game to take advantage of the F2P format and now APB is turning a nice profit EVERY MONTH!!

Another Example: Nexon the makers of many F2P titles like Maple Story, Dragon Nest, and Vindictus makes a Billion Dollars yearly from F2P games and the company at any time could BUY Electronic Arts!!!

So The Next and last console gen expect to see a lot of F2P games especially with the influx of MMO's that will hit the consoles Next Gen!

Remember the PC sets the trends and the consoles follow!!

Simon_Brezhnev4183d ago

Nexon is a shitty company too. I use to play some of their games but their customer service is that bad.

MaxXAttaxX4183d ago

Hahaha you're out of your mind! What if I don't want to play online-only multiplayer games.

Free-to-play doesn't work for every game.
And console gaming has been around for years before DOS and Windows.

faraany33k4183d ago (Edited 4183d ago )

@Nathan Explosion

You are forgetting something that titles like COD are primarily PC breed, FPS genre itself came from PC gaming. Multiplayer gaming, Indie gaming are all dominant on the consoles which originated on PC . Nobody plays JPRGS and 2D Platformers on consoles.

Console gaming always try to mimic PC gaming some 5 years later.

MaxXAttaxX4183d ago (Edited 4183d ago )

You talk about COD as if I cared. I can't begin to tell you just how little I care about most FPS games in general.

"Nobody plays JRPGs and platformers on consoles".... What!?
You guys gotta step out of your little world every once in a while.

And you're off topic. This is about free-to-play dominating consoles, which is not happening anytime soon. If I felt like doing that I would simply turn on my PC, but I choose not to.

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slapedurmomsace4183d ago

There's no chance this is going to happen. Free to play is basically a scam. Unless its some type of basic flash tennis game, there is always money driven add ons. Also there's an article on cnn.com about this garbage, where they are so focused on the down slide of the market compared to last year, not that it couldn't be this generation has grown long in the tooth and we are now due for new one

DeadlyFire4183d ago (Edited 4183d ago )

There is a reason Zygna's stock crashed. Free to Play is a limited experience. Not many like being limited like that.

Its a great short term wise, but never works long term.

JsonHenry4183d ago

The OP knows nothing about the free to play model. There are more games coming out that don't require you to pay for anything other than cosmetic stuff like Dota 2 and it is already the most played game on Steam and it is in a closed beta. Crytek has stated after the next Crysis they are going all free to play with all of their future products. Also look at a whole list of games, especially MMOs, that were full priced games that flopped buy easily kept alive once they switched to F2P.

It is a lot better to get a few $$ from millions of people vs. the money they get from selling them on store shelves. And mind you, they don't get the full $50-$60 either. That is retail cost in most cases.

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konnerbllb4184d ago

If this were the last generation it wouldn't be due to Free to play. It would be because of the high cost of AAA games and the rate of which developers and publishers are closing their doors.

oricon4184d ago

I agree this current gen game costs are already high enough plus the fact that game take alot longer compared to before thus also making games even more expensive to develop.

This gen you can already see the effect on Japanese developers because of the development cycle for games this gen like Capcom who were arguably the best 3rd party developer last gen and Square as their a lot smaller compared to western developers, most western developers are financed by major publishers like EA, Activision etc. Japan doesn't have anything like that, largest 3rd party publisher in Japan is probably square and their not as big as EA etc.

Most Japanese developers are focused on handheld games, because its cheaper to developers and much quicker compared to console, the most recent successful Japanese developer is Level 5, their success does not come from their console titles but handheld, their major last title was WKC on PS3 and that was a flop and the quality of the game doesn't match their last gen games or handheld games.

Square/ Capcom are notoriously hated for their quality of games however they still make great games but their on handheld devices like DS, PSP etc, but they don't get much attention from western gamers who are mostly focused on consoles.

iNFAMOUZ14184d ago

why would anyone want cloud gaming,????!! we work too hard to be settled with cloud merchandise we cant touch and value, ?? thats just dumb, i and the rest of the world want pysyical copies we can touch and keep for years and years, consoles will never go away, never.

smashcrashbash4184d ago

I agree. I don't want some nonsense to happen so I can lose everything i downloaded. At least if I have a hard copy I know it's still there no matter what happens to the online system.

clrlite4184d ago

I agree my friend and what if the internet goes down, etc. etc. etc. etc.

There is something special about owning a physical copy....

...or at least having tht game on YOUR harddrive :D

Imalwaysright4183d ago

Well said. Cloud gaming benefits publishers, not us consumers.

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deno4184d ago

Hey, don't make to much sense now.

Anon19744184d ago

Exactly! Just like how no one watches movies or television shows they don't own - because they can't touch or put a value on them unless you own them. What's the point? I'm sure there are a handful of nutters out there that simply watch tv, or even rent movies without owning them, but the vast majority of people wouldn't ever touch a TV program or movie unless they owned them. And music, forget about it! Radio is an abomination. Who wants to listen to music without actually owning it? And don't get me started on libraries...

AIndoria4183d ago

You know how idiotic you sound? No, Sarcasm at its worst, more like.

Now, Something to keep in mind. Internet bandwidth is not as fast and widespread as you'd like to think in the world. I have a 4Mbps connection, and this is better than 93% of the rest of South Asia. (Speedtest and a few research teams would confirm that.)

Yes, cloud is inevitable, however, not till everyone and by that I mean EVERYONE gets a fair share of bandwidth.
Half of you people are living in your homes enjoying 50Mbps connection thinking everything's fine and dandy. Look outside your comfort zone for a moment.

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violents4184d ago

I've been playing the beta for dust 514 the new FTP game on ps3. The menus and how to buy things for your epuiptment are very confusing and you have to spend real money to use voice chat. Its actually kind of annoying because you have to replenish inventory items and dropsuits and all kinds of stuff. Most can be done with in game credit but I would rather just play socom or call of duty i think.

SnotyTheRocket4184d ago

Man, i miss Socom..... Sony needs to get a Socom 2 HD game out.... They'd get soooo much of the money.

violents4183d ago

yeah original socom was the best. confrontation sucks and I didnt even waste my money on 4 because so many of my friends didn't like it.

SaffronCurse4184d ago

Free to play has been happening for years now. I don't see it replacing consoles.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7223h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle10h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18818h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio7h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning773h ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga10h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff21839h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga8h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan4h ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

romulus233h ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv722h ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

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purple10113h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos12h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-2h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac11h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad11h ago(Edited 11h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple10111h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos10h ago(Edited 10h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic9h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead2h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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Why Monopolies In Gaming Must Not Be Allowed

As of right now, there are no monopolies in the games industry, and for the sake of the medium as a whole, they never should either.

thorstein22h ago

Shouldn't be allowed in any field.

Inverno18h ago

And yet the biggest tech companies in America are essentially that. They buy up all the small comps only to kill them off and steal what they have, and if they can't buy em they bleed them to death.

jwillj2k417h ago

Eventually they’ll realize the value is with the employee not the company. Buying an IP means nothing if the people who contributed are let go. They’ll get it one day.

MrCrimson16h ago

tech is different because they buy threats and then kill them. Twitter bought Vine and did nothing with it. Despite people seemingly liking it. Could've had tiktok a decade before bytedance. go figure.

Zenzuu17h ago

Monopolies shouldn't be allowed regardless. Not just for gaming.

MrCrimson16h ago

They buy IPs not talent. That's why these buyouts never work and the IPs die. Right now it's too expensive to develop games - but I expect that to shift maybe as AI tools can make it easier. The best games have been indie games for awhile as big developers fuck their ips to death with "games as a service" -

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Essential Video Games Everyone Needs To Play At Least Once

Video games are no longer just a simple past time. Today's games are evolving into true works of art. Offering intriguing narratives, cinematic setpieces, and profound messages, games can entertain us for hundreds of hours.

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Chard2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I never got around to mass effect - I’m skeptical that it would hold up if I were to try it now

Furesis2d ago

I would say it does. The combat is a bit shit for todays standards but everything else is great.

anast2d ago

It's worth a play through today.

gold_drake2d ago

the first one is abit the odd one out but after u finished it, believe it it gets tremendously better and better