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Who Killed Rare? - Eurogamer

EG: "Did Microsoft ruin Britain's greatest game studio? What went wrong? And who - or perhaps what - is to blame?"

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Xwow20084461d ago

No need for a long article(its good tho) Eurogame..its just 1 word:MS.
I still remember playing killer instinct(good times) on SNES, its sad see an once great studio fall.

WrAiTh Sp3cTr34460d ago

The Rare that made KI isn't there anymore. The Rare that is today makes the stuff they want to make not what they're forced to make. If i have time I'll try to find the interview that popped up here a while ago that explained this. Hell, back in 2007 one of the higher ups at Rare called Ms out for spending more attention and money on Gears instead of Viva Piñata. Between Viva and Gears which do you think is more like the games the old Rare use to make? My point, if you missed it, is your ignorance concerning MS destroying the old Rare is just that, ignorance. I'm sure if Rare had put effort into a new Killer Instinct instead of Viva, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Montrealien4460d ago (Edited 4460d ago )

simple minds need simple solutions Wraith, it is the n4g way.

the real story of why Rare left? The Stamper brothers sold it off made a pretty penny, played the game a while, then decided to get out of games in 2007 and develop land.

it's business people, not the days of our lives.

SilentNegotiator4460d ago (Edited 4460d ago )

A big part of Rare's downfall was that Microsoft forced Xbox LIVE on them. Kameo was pretty good. Then they made Viva Pinata (an okay game).

Then they turned Banjo-Kazooie into a game that revolved around vehicles.....and I don't think it's a coincidence that it also had online racing. They could always have made a sequel to an amazing platformer, through the studio that proved themselves with Viva Pinata and Kameo.....but then, how could they monetize THAT through the service people pay $60 a year for? Answer: they couldn't. Solution: Revolve it around something you could turn into online battles. Vehicles.

Then Kinect came along, and well, the rest is history. They make games with about a half hour's worth of fresh gameplay now.

People can pretend like this is solely because some left to form Free Radical Design/Crytek UK, but Microsoft's handling changed how a great studio did things, from Kameo to small Kinect titles.

@Montrealien
Yes, because anyone without a big 'All Microsoft all the time' brain has a "simple mind"
/s

BiggsnWedge4460d ago

does Rare really want to make games for the Kinect? Pretty sure they dont

Rare used to be good developers on snes and n64 the Microsoft ruined them

iChii4460d ago

Blaming MS won't bring Killer Instinct or old Donkey Kong games back, so stop blaming Microsoft already. -.-

darthv724460d ago

the real killer of rare was nintendo. Nintendo used them for their talents and then sold them off when they were done. MS came along and picked them up and gave them a platform that would let them be creative. Grabbed by the ghoulies was fun as was conker live and reloaded.

Rare is a shell of its former self just as square once was. These companies exist in name only and in the memories of us gamers who made them what they once were.

sikbeta4460d ago

Rare is not the same as the N64 Rare, the original crew left the company long ago, the guys who mage Goldeneye went to create Free Radical, now Crytek UK and others just leave the company, MS just bought the Brand/Name Rare

gamingdroid4460d ago

Did people read the article?

It's as if nobody read the article, jumped to conclusion and spouted nonsense.

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morkendo234460d ago (Edited 4460d ago )

DUH!!! was it really nessasary skowhegan to write this WELL KNOWN info about the demise of RARE??
must been a SLOOOOW DAY at the office.

on topic:
SONY should have pick up RARE.

DrFUD4460d ago

Killer Instinct was so long ago I think Luke Skywalker played it on the Millenium Falcon.

Basically using Killer Instict as a reason why you think RARE means anything is fanboy. Hell I'd rather play a remake of Clay Fighter before Killer Instinct and I'm honest enough to know that would suck too.

kaveti66164460d ago

"Killer Instinct was so long ago I think Luke Skywalker played it on the Millenium Falcon."

Ha...ha?

Kurt Russell4460d ago

I still play the odd game of Killer Instinct, it's still my favourite beat-em-up and I would happily kill for an arcade cab of it.

Buzz7S4460d ago

MS? A word? Ha, how much I laughed. At least spell it correctly if you're going to blame the ones who funded their work.

Rare killed Rare. They signed their lives over to Microsoft and agreed to everything they wanted. They only have themselves to blame for the BS they are in now.

orange-skittle4460d ago

Moron. MS didnt kill Rare, Rare killed Rare. MS would've given them the money and resources to create games people wanted, but they want to make games equivalent to phone apps

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PamPoovey4461d ago

Microsoft

You can say they were going downhill before MS but you never know they might of picked themselfs back up. Maybe we would of gotten a true Banjo Threeie instead of Nuts and Bolts...you never know what would of happened if MS didn't enter the picture.

All I know is that MS cancelled the Conker sequel alongside a Kameo/Perfect Dark sequel.....so I would still pretty much blame them despite if Rare was already going downhill.

Captain Qwark 94461d ago

i dont think its ms, i think its a combination of ms, rare, and a changing market.

rares fault = perfect dark. the newest one was simply pathetic. that game could barely pass as a xbl title let alone a full retail release. i understand that certain expectations need to be lowered for launch titles but that game was just bad in every way. you can blame ms all day but in the end, rare made that mess

market=viva pinata/banjo. excellent games but they dont know which market their aiming at. both seem like kid games at face value however both games are far too deep for most children. excellent games, wrong market targeted.

somebody's fault=banjo should have gotten a true sequel to the games from the n64 days. n&b was great, but he needed to return to his old form first, once he reestablished himself in this age of gaming, you then create spin offs like nuts and bolts. dont come out from being dormant after many years and alienate all your old fans by changing your game completely, people forgive spin offs, not a complete genre change though

ms fault= not letting rare create killer instinct and conker sequels, real sequels. fans have been asking for years and considering mortal kombats success, violent fighting games have a demand. give it to them, not kinect sports. and as far as conker goes, his games may not sell well but they do have excellent gameplay and its in a genre sorely lacking on 360 so competition would be minimal. proper marketing and this game could easily do 1mil

overall it doesnt matter in the end, rare is dead. its sad but hopefully one day they will come back to creating core games with their established ips and some new ones but as of now, they're gone and it doesnt matter whos to blame.

Montrealien4460d ago

Don't bother going into details, most users here see it all in back and white. It is much easier for them to process.

Don't forget, most users here think MS and Sony are two giant robots fighting in the sky.

Captain Qwark 94460d ago (Edited 4460d ago )

@montrealien

your absolutely right, everyone wants to paint ms as the bad guy here like rare can do no harm yet they fail to realize that rare did make perfect dark, which was clearly nowhere near the quality it should have been.

kameo as well, decent game but nothing special. they lost the talent and Nintendo prob knew the talent was gone when they seen kameo and thats prob half the reason they let them go. after their first two failed attempts, ms took away their right to make what they wanted in hopes of recovering some of their losses.

in the end everyone is at fault, simple as that

JohnnyMann4204460d ago

I am sure MS didn't help, but we have to wonder what did Nintendo know that they let the flagship studio leave in the first place?

Maybe Nintendo knew Rare was going downhill and that is why they let them leave.

PamPoovey4460d ago

True but instead of letting them go they could of helped and sorted them out. If they did it would benefit them in the future so it's not like they can say there wasn't any point

JohnnyMann4204460d ago

@Pam maybe the magic that started Rare isn't there anymore.

Montrealien4460d ago

Just saying "the magic that started Rare" shows you are disconnected from reality.

JohnnyMann4204460d ago

Apparently @Montrealien hasn't heard of a "term" before and thought I was being literal. Who's the one not living in reality?

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hazardman4460d ago

yeah thats all true, but i think MS will probably do something better for next console. I mean they still have the Rare catalog right? I would love to see an HD remake of Battletoads, and also a next gen versions of Killer instincts, Perfect Dark and Kameo.. those 3 games, if made well, would make for great launch titles.

SonyPS3604461d ago (Edited 4461d ago )

Microsoft.

There. I just saved you reading an entire article.

Read up about how Microsoft replaced Rare's studio manager with someone else so that they could focus solely on Kinect.

This is basically what we have to thank for Kinect Sports, instead of having a quality first party developer that could have been creating terrific 360 exclusives.

maniacmayhem4461d ago (Edited 4461d ago )

Rare was dead before MS picked them up. Over half the original team that made Rare a great dev left.

But like Pampoovy said it doesn't help that MS left Rare's IPs dormant for so long. I know the FPS market is saturated but a Perfect Dark done right would be great. I also loved Banjo Nuts and Bolts, great game,a sequel should be made. Conker was great but what made that game awesome was it was adult focused on a Nintendo machine, very different for that time.

Now it would be like every other game that throws out the F word every 5 minutes. Anyways, MS needs to put these guys back to work on their own games.

Baka-akaB4460d ago

i dont often agree with you , but i think you nailed it .

People dont realize that the most important folks of rare took off before MS bought it , during the ps2 era , with some of the staff even doing Timesplitters later on at Radical .

Then around the MS buy out , the founders of Rare took off .

There was hardly anything remotely looking like Rare then . It's hardly the first time this happens ... look at Blizzard , most of it's staff went away , even during the developpement of flawless hits ... but they were smart in their replacements , Rare wasnt .

maniacmayhem4460d ago

You don't often agree with me :-(

Baka-akaB4460d ago

lol now that i look at your history , it's not even you , but some 1 bubbles account with the same pic as you

Pikajew4461d ago

MS killed them because they made them work on bad games. They should have let them use their creativity to make great games.

ChiVoLok04460d ago

They should have done Conker: Live and Reloaded 2 but no...

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7213h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle45m ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Cacabunga12m ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

purple1012h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos2h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

XBManiac1h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1011h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos44m ago(Edited 42m ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 10h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 7h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 5h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN22h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies20h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 9h ago (Edited 1d 9h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 7h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic17h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows9017h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 9h ago (Edited 1d 9h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 9h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 9h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 6h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 8h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 6h ago (Edited 1d 6h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 7h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10112d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref11d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde11d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197211d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville11d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai12d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref11d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan11d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref11d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde11d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197211d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier11d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto11d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts11d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts10d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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