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Lucas and Spielberg: "Games Can't be Art"

LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA—This Saturday, George Lucas and Steven Spielberg hosted a panel debate at an independent film festival the two had chosen to dedicate to themselves. At the event, the two highly praised filmmakers mostly talked about problems facing the world of cinema.

However, Spielberg and Lucas also dedicated a significant chunk of the event to talk about other mediums, expressing their skepticism to non-cinematic art forms.

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ShugaCane3947d ago (Edited 3947d ago )

“No, I haven’t tried those games, but if they use a controller then they simply cannot be as artistic and daring as Indiana Jones IV.”

lol

EDIT : Nevermind. Everything is acuatlly false, I fell for it lol I didn't see "[Satire]", my bad..

ArchangelMike3947d ago

Proves they are speaking from a position of ignorance, and therefore invalidates their statements. Go play The Last of Us, and come tell me that it's not better than Indiana Jones IV in every conceivable way.

ShugaCane3947d ago (Edited 3947d ago )

This interview didn't happen. It was all made up by the author, probably as a response to their previous statements when they said that games are not art, or something stupid like that.

The real story, few weeks ago :

http://n4g.com/news/1281368...

Donnieboi3947d ago

Satire. Read before u post.

mattdillahunty3947d ago (Edited 3947d ago )

lol. for once i didn't even bother reading the blurb on this page, i just went straight to the article. so, when i started reading the justifications for why they said games can't be art, i was thinking, "really? these are the most pathetic reasons i've ever heard." lol.

good to know this is just satire. i do question why this even got approved, though. it's not news, it's not a real article, it's not even a very entertaining read. i'm not one to cry 'flame bait!' but that's pretty much what this article is; the website doesn't even deserve the hits.

LAWSON723947d ago

Maybe Indiana Jones 4, but not the first 3.

MikeyDucati13947d ago

You know there was other games before The Last Of Us. You guys are running that name into the ground...deep into it

CommonSense3947d ago

While I certainly think many many games are infinitely better than anything Lucas has done in the last 20 years, TLOU is not one of them.

Naughty Dog are the Lucas (post original trilogy) of gaming.

nosferatuzodd3947d ago

indeed they no nothing about games yet they keep opening their big mouth to talk

pixelsword3947d ago

I personally don't think games are art just because of the way developers conform to the consumer, which means they are making a product; just like how people whined about Mass Effect's ending and they changed it, or how you get nickled and dimed for DLC.

minimur123946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

I'm starting to get pissed with all of these satire posts....

Is it just me?

I mean, yeah the first one I saw with Iwata punching someone in the face made me laugh, but then we had some other one whichI can't remember and it just killed it. Satire posts aren't funny anymore

TheKayle13946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

the last of us better than indiana jones?

i think u r too young or just too ignorant to understand what u r comparing ..lol

one is a myth...the other is a videogame that will be forget the next year

(this dosnt mean that a game cant be art!)...

ps. i love naugthy dog games

DragonKnight3946d ago

WTF is up with all these lame "satire" pieces lately? It's as if douchebag syndrome has been plaguing the "gaming media" lately and people think their sarcasm is funny. Newsflash, satire is usually humourous.

Does N4G need to add a new Satire category now?

blanket143946d ago

they ruined indiana jones ; ( I mean seriously that movie was terrible the end where they found out the aliens and crap killed it for me! I know Harrison is getting older but yhey really had to bring a kid in. they better not milk the series out with shia labeouf! I was a huge fan and still am but not of the 4th installment.

hankmoody3946d ago

C'mon, you really think that either Spielberg OR Lucas would choose Indiana Jones 4 from everything they've ever done as an example to compare videogames against?

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iamnsuperman3947d ago

"Nevermind. Everything is actually false, I fell for it lol I didn't see "[Satire]", my bad.."

Don't worry about it. I feel no-one in the gaming journalism world can do satire properly. If people are going to do it they need to do it properly

Tommykrem3947d ago (Edited 3947d ago )

Not to be hateful or anything, but I think a much bigger problem is that video game communities rarely take the time, or even know how to, read something properly.

I mean
"This Saturday, George Lucas and Steven Spielberg hosted a panel debate at an independent film festival the two HAD CHOSEN TO DEDICATE TO THEMSELVES."

Who reads past that sentence AND a [Satire] tag (which really should be unnecessary to begin with) still thinking this isn't satire?

Sites like this one and pixelgrater.com do pretty good jobs. Against all odds.

admiralvic3947d ago

@ Tommykrem

A lot don't read the description posted on the site and just read the article. I doubt the article says satire, though the satire articles are stupid to begin with. Not everyone is looking to read an article, analyze what is mentioned, look into sources, verify it's completely false and largely a waste of time. There was a time (not to long ago) when NO SATIRE articles were on N4G too, so it's not like we've had countless articles to deal with either.

Tommykrem3947d ago

admiralvic:

And who on earth has to "analyse" anything? You don't have to look into sources, the answer is right in front of you.
1. The things said in the article are ridic.
2. ...The description says satire.

If you don't have the time for satire, don't read it.

If these articles have done anything, it's demonstrate that the way N4G'ers usually jump into arguments are ridiculous. Commenting before even give the article a second's worth of thought. Or before reading.

Dee_913946d ago

@tommy
how often does satire get posted on here?
And you expect people to just know this like it posted on here daily ?

Tommykrem3946d ago

@Dmarc
I'd expect that of an elementary school educated human being, yeah.

Dee_913946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

You think a child with only an elementary level education would know this was satire?Even though we didnt learn about satire til 7th or 8th grade and probably didnt comprehend the meaning until highschool?

I think its safe to say you have unrealistic expectations.

Tommykrem3945d ago (Edited 3945d ago )

@Dmarc
For some reason I wasn't expecting people on N4G to get it, but that really is their own fault.
1. There's a tag there that says satire.
2. "Hell, some mediums don’t have pictures at all"
3. "Boom Blox was intended to be a moving story about a man who suffers from the untimely death of his wife, and who has to reconcile himself with the idea of love. However, once the game controller was involved, Boom Blox turned into a game about blowing up blocks that look like farm animals."
4. When I first tried the Kinect I played in poorly lit conditions, so the device didn’t recognise all of my gestures. I got frustrated, then I started to feel upset, then angry. That camera made me feel. Now, that’s art
5. No, I haven’t tried those games, but if they use a controller then they simply cannot be as artistic and daring as Indiana Jones IV.

These quotes simply would not happen. I mean, literally, you'd have to write THIS IS SATIRE all over the page to go any further than the article already does. People should take some time (like, 8 seconds) when they first choose to read something. Otherwise there's not really any point to gaming journalism in the first place. Thankfully, a few did.

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fermcr3947d ago (Edited 3947d ago )

Indiana Jones IV was a big pile of crap. If that's art, then no thanks.

Mikeyy3947d ago

Indiana Jones 4 started awesome, was great half way through, then ended so terribly...

DrRobotnik3947d ago

And yet Virtua Fighter sits proudly on display in the Smithsonian Museum.

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NYC_Gamer3947d ago

I don't really care long as gaming provides me with entertainment

fsfsxii3947d ago

Holy moly, i guess the infamous disagree ghost doesn't play games for entertainment.

chestnut11223947d ago (Edited 3947d ago )

Spielberg and Lucas take these and eat it on Your mind, Uncharted Is Way Much better and more art than Indiana Jones, The Last of Us Is better than alot of Zombie Movies, Dino Crisis was more original than Your fucking Jurassic Park Circus, Resident Evil Movies Sucks compared to Resident Evil games Story WIse. Heavy rain and La Noire is better than Sherlock Holmes these days, I prefer Read Dead Redemption better than Wild Wild West. A lot of Movies these days are based on Games and Anime.Dead Space is much better than Alien Vs Predator. I prefer BattleField, Killzone and COD rather than WOrld War Movies -_- . HALO and Mass effect is much better than mars attack . And last but not the least, Joel Will sweep the Oscar's Best Actor Award if He is Real. There is so many to mention but These is enough for me to explain.

These is my response to Both of You.
"The Problem With Movie is there is No Controller"

chestnut11223947d ago (Edited 3947d ago )

Oh f_ck. Satire. Bullsh_t Site. It burst out my disappointment with those mocking remarks -_-. Ignore my post.

Edit: Still they insult The Video Game Industry in these article so it serves them right -_- http://n4g.com/news/1281368...

Nexus383947d ago

Uncharted is great but indiana jones is on a whole other level. their classics, also this article is just more fake rubbish anyway

spaceg0st3947d ago

who approves these bullsh*t satire articles. what a waste of time. users who approve these articles should have their powers taken away

admiralvic3947d ago

This or they should have their own tag / [Satire] in the title like reviews have site names.

Half of the people on this site don't read the actual post, they just read the statement that games aren't art and go from there. On a high note, at least that means those idiots aren't getting clicks.

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Former Dragon Age lead writer David Gaider pours scorn on EA's AI dreams.

"They want you to believe the devs under them are super stoked to work generative AI into their processes," continued Gaider, "but I assure you what they took as excitement was really a veiled wail of despair not unlike the time that team was informed of their new 'really cool' live service mandate.".

LordoftheCritics1d 4h ago

Publishers see gaming as another stock market.

isarai1d 3h ago

I think anyone with some common sense knew this, im glad i don't support their games anymore, what a sh!t company.

Psychonaut8511h ago

Friends don’t let friends buy EA or Ubisoft.

Chocoburger11h ago

I said this yesterday. AI isn't what we want when it comes to crafting artistry. Alas, these soulless corporate morons don't care about their work, only about cutting corners as much as possible.

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Phil Spencer and the Battle for Xbox’s Soul

Has the rapid growth of Xbox made the ship too heavy? Following the closures of Tango Gameworks, Arkane Austin, and Roundhouse, we explore what the future of Xbox could look like.

LG_Fox_Brazil1d 8h ago

This ship was never meant to sail, this ship was made from the get go to sink as fast as possible. It almost feels that they want to lower the standards of quality in the industry so that they can fit in

rlow114h ago

I disagree, Xbox from the get go innovated and changed the industry. They did a lot of firsts and standardized a lot of others. It wasn’t till the beginning of the Xbox1 era that things started to go south.

Stevonidas10h ago

Yep, although I’d argue it started going to shit when they tried to hock Kinect on their audience instead of continuing to invest in their studios and IPs. 2001-2010 Xbox was peak gaming, though.

rlow19h ago

@Stevonidas
I agree they never should have focused on it after the 360 era. But you do have to remember they were faked out by the huge volumes of Kinects sold. To quote info on Wikipedia, “Project Natal, It was first released on November 4, 2010, and would go on to sell eight million units in its first 60 days of availability.” So if your Xbox and see these huge sales on a peripheral where are you going to put some money? Criticism in hindsight is worthless…..if only we could all see our future. In other wards they had no way of knowing. Plus they had engagement numbers and a lot of signs pointed to people wanting it.

Their biggest mistake wasn’t the Kinect, but unlike Sony after the PS3 debacle. They didn’t double on down on exclusive good games. The other huge mistake was letting Call of Duty go to Sony.

Hedstrom17h ago

Phil wants Xbox to be as soulless as him!

Tacoboto17h ago(Edited 16h ago)

Xbox has no soul and Phil has no confidence, and it's impossible to say either do when they killed Tango and Arkane Austin.

Everything they've said since has only made them look worse to a point that they're actually less competent than Embracer.

Markdn16h ago(Edited 16h ago)

Whe you release something like the series S and expect it not to hurt your business model, and developers have to have parity with games. Then you know Microsoft don't care. Series s is the final nail that broke developers,

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A Matter Of Trust: What The Game Industry Should Do To Win Gamers Back

Skewed and Reviewed have written an Opinion Piece covering issues in the gaming industry, how current issues were issues years ago, and what can be done to help restore consumer trust.

anast1d 3h ago

Nothing. It's up to the gamers to stop consuming content from companies that they don't agree with.

Garethvk13h ago

How do you know if you agree with it or not unless you play it? Which without conventions forces gamers to rely on trailers. Perhaps Demos should be made more frequently. But companies need to do better as well.

anast13h ago

Wait until release. Watch Gameplay. Exercise patience.

Garethvk12h ago

But is that not what they have now? Tons of gameplay or are you talking about watching actual gamers play it versus the trailers and streams? The big issue is that some companies pay streamers and influencers and they create content but for me; that is hardly a fair, unbiased, and factual look at a game.

1nsomniac17h ago

Get rid of the suits in the industry and job done!!

Garethvk13h ago

They usually are attached to the money sadly. It would be nice to have gamers in charge but you have so much money invested that business people are needed. Hence the issue; you need people who know business but are also gamers who know have an eye to the community. It sounds simple in theory that if you give gamers quality games that they want to play; money will be made. But that is not always so.