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PlayStation 4 Announcement Coming in February? Xbox 720 at E3?

Every time new consoles are on the horizon rumors and speculation hit all time highs. Everyone finds a different reason why this console maker will do this or that and for what reason. What we know so far is both Sony and Microsoft have new consoles in development which are more then likely going to launch in 2013 or 2014.

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LOGICWINS4160d ago

"Sony has recently announced that they are holding an event called Destination PlayStation that is primarily attended by retailers in Scottsdale, Arizona from February 25th until February 28th. The invitation are said to point directly at showcasing the PlayStation 3 and PlayStation Vita lineup for 2013. Although speculation fueled by the timing of this event have people thinking its the time and place Sony will formally announced their much rumored PlayStation 4."

Ensuring that everyone who is in the market for a PS3 or Vita in the Spring will hold off on buying one and wait for the PS4. Makes perfect sense. Your basically proposing that Sony will shoot themselves in the foot.

Xystence4160d ago

I think both Microsoft and Sony's waiting game will hurt them both in some form or another. Regardless you are correct in your statement!

guitarded774160d ago

Waiting... what do you mean? They can't announce a new console too far ahead as it affects sales of the PS3. When they announce it will be on the big stage at E3. E3 is the single largest media event in the industry, and if they want to build hype, it will be there. PlayStation Destination is to showcase 1st and 2nd quarter titles like God of War, The Last of Us and Sly Cooper. Business keeps people's eyes on what's in the immediate future.

blackbeld4160d ago

Best move is announce it in Februari and Showcase it at E3 and launch it in the summer to.

We wait long enough. Just launch it before the new xbox.

Kevin ButIer4160d ago

Both statements are valid, but February is too close for an unveil. Still, we should expect some leaks by that time.

guitarded774160d ago

@ blackbeld

Is Februari Italian for February?

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SynGamer4160d ago

Something Sony should consider is announcing the next PlayStation (PS4?) early Spring, showing it off with playable demos at E3, and then releasing it in August or September. That gives them first out of the gate + an option for holiday bundles a couple months after release just as initial launch hype is starting to die down.

The announcement at Destination PlayStation gives retailers and industry folk official notice of what is coming (in some form, not all details will be revealed) and then E3 is the big reveal + playable demo. Personally, the key here is playable demos for gamers/industry to experience the "next-generation" and then be able to buy it a few months later.

CraigandDayDay4160d ago

They announced the Vita at a special event in Feb. 2011. So, they could very well do so for the PS4/Orbis/Omni. Then show more off at GDC and then a blowout at E3. Then a launch in the Fall.

TheGamerDood4160d ago (Edited 4160d ago )

I can see it now, they debut it in Feb release it late summer early Fall with MGS5, HD version of LoU, Beyond, UC4, GTA 5, Planetside 2. It would be f**king beast!

Sarcasm4160d ago

Actualli they are announcing PS3/Vita stuff in Februari, but by E3i they can announce a PS4.

DragonKnight4160d ago

@DK286K: Sony could announce the PS4 today and MS would still fail at E3. They haven't done anything well at E3 for so long I doubt anyone remembers the last time they had a good showing at an E3 event.

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iamnsuperman4160d ago

Also Destination Playsation isn't new. Is it the 12 or 13th year of it????

If I was Sony (and I was doing a PS4 reveal at E3) I would unveil some big stuff there and then have a smaller show for the PS3 and Vita at E3 (Vita having a bigger one than the PS3)

Xystence4160d ago

I actually agree with everything you just said. That would be a smart move!

UnholyLight4160d ago

Well apparently they haven't done it in a while now so No it's not an annual thing like E3

MoonWheel4160d ago

I disagree because e3 is a much bigger event and they need to show the ps4 there and not waste the opportunity.

DeadlyFire4160d ago (Edited 4160d ago )

PS3 and Vita titles will be shown off here at this event for 2013.

PS4 will be shown off primarily at E3 with a small showing of PS3 games and PSVita titles. As well as Vita/PS4 connectivity. Possibly evolved Vita/PS4 interactivity much more capabilities than PS3/Vita.

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Zefros4160d ago

It really depends on WHEN they are releasing the console, if they are releasing the ps4 i summer, they will announce it in february, if winter, they will announce it right before or right after E3.

DarkZane4160d ago

Except Nintendo showed the WiiU at E3 2011, then they showed some more at E3 2012 to release it in 2012.

If Sony and Microsoft show something at E3 2013, it doesn't mean they will release it in 2013.

BitbyDeath4160d ago

Vita being a handheld wouldn't lose marketshare to PS4.
PS3 could unless Sony can keep the enthusiasm going by either dropping the price or driving motivation through their upcoming games.

It's got to happen at some point anyway and current rumours are pointing towards a September release which is not really that far away so sooner it is announced the better.

LOGICWINS4160d ago (Edited 4160d ago )

Vita is a $250+ gaming console/media entertainment hub. It IS competing with the PS4, portable or not. These devices(PS3, PS4, Vita) are all hardcore HD gaming devices. They are all equally competing for your time and money in this respect.

Most don't have the discretionary income to spend $250+ on a home console and then a week later spend ANOTHER $250+ on a portable console to play on the hour train ride home from school/work(one of the reasons Vita is struggling with pre-existing PS3 owners atm).

When the average person buys a $250 gaming console(portable or not), they don't plan on buying ANOTHER $250 gaming console for several years...since they JUST spent close to $300.

The only company that CAN do this is Apple due to their aggressive marketing and sheep consumers. This is what enables them to have a MacBook(big brother), iPAD(smaller brother), iPOD touch(even smaller brother), iPod mini(smallest brother) all coexist and sell well.

"PS3 could unless Sony can keep the enthusiasm going by either dropping the price or driving motivation through their upcoming games."

I think Sony will bundle the PS3 and Vita for $399 as a counter option to the PS4. This would make all three devices attractive.

BitbyDeath4160d ago (Edited 4160d ago )

Will have to agree to disagree.
Handhelds and Consoles have about as much in common as a school bag and a travel bag IMO.

Sure they are both bags but made for two completely different uses, when people go shopping they generally know what purpose it is to be used for. Be it school (console) or travel (handheld).

Thus being two different markets.

EddieNX 4160d ago

Nintendo's biggest threat in japan to wiiu now for the future is trying to not be overshadowed by their own 3DS. Same goes for Sony...

LOGICWINS4160d ago (Edited 4160d ago )

"Handhelds and Consoles have about as much in common as a school bag and a travel bag IMO."

But if the prices of that travel bag and school bag are comparable, you see where I'm coming from right? Assuming both bags are priced the same, lets say $20.

Wouldn't a consumer feel cheated if they get the school bag, considering that they can get a bigger bag with more space...for the same price?

Your correct in saying that one device is more portable than another, but in the end, both have the same general purpose...which is to carry items.

Lets apply this concept to the PS3/Vita. Both are comparable in price, and although one is more portable than the other..the general use for each is gaming.

"It's like saying "I won't buy ipad if new mac book comes out"

I touched on that in my earlier comment. Apple is an exception to the rule for various reasons.

BitbyDeath4160d ago (Edited 4160d ago )

@Logic,

I see where you're coming from but what if the bag is too big for what's required? Maybe the size will stop it from fitting in a locker or just simply make it too unconventional to use due to what it offers?

I'll give you that it may not apply in all cases but for most the consumer should know what they want.

LOGICWINS4160d ago (Edited 4160d ago )

^^Agree completely! It really depends on the person to what degree of importance the aspect portability has to the purchase.

What I'm willing to wager(judging from Vita's sales performance so far)is that portability ISN'T a major factor for MOST hardcore gamers.

Personally speaking, I'm more attracted to the Vita for its upcoming exclusive titles than its (portability/form factor)

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shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4160d ago (Edited 4160d ago )

@LOGICWINS
"Ensuring that everyone who is in the market for a PS3 or Vita in the Spring will hold off on buying one and wait for the PS4."

ps2 has sold for 12 years and stopped just before ps4 now.. Also why would ps4 have conflict with on the go gaming? Will ps4 do it better?

It's like saying "I won't buy ipad if new mac book comes out"..

Or maybe I don't know sh!t? That could be possible.

I hope they do announce it! That way we can skip the 20 min e3 talk about the history of playstation and get into new games and game play in the beginning instead of a reveal at the end.

I just want to see the games.

nukeitall4160d ago (Edited 4160d ago )

"It's like saying "I won't buy ipad if new mac book comes out".."

Both items are competing for your money and your time so yes, that does happen. There is definitely an overlap of market especially due to the pricing being basically identical.

Personally, I was considering getting an ultra laptop OR a tablet, but settling on MS Surface Pro instead when it is released. :)

"Or maybe I don't know sh!t? That could be possible."

:)

LOGICWINS4160d ago

"Personally, I was considering getting an ultra laptop OR a tablet, but settling on MS Surface Pro instead when it is released. :)"

Same here lol.

UnholyLight4160d ago

Personally I think LOGIC is right. I was always going to go a Vita but then I was like why the hell would I buy that when for the same price I can get a PS3...He's right about Apple though, really is the only company where everyone HAS to have every single freaking product. It's ridiculous. For a guy like myself I chose to buy neither the PS3 or Vita now that it is getting so close to time for the next wave of consoles. Regardless of price point and if the release next to each other I will buy BOTH the PS4 and the Nextbox.

AngelicIceDiamond4160d ago (Edited 4160d ago )

A full blown PS4 announcement in febuuary? Knowing they still have AAA's coming out in the next 5 months? Yeah I doubt Sony would announce such a behemoth.

Destination PlayStation will showcase allot but a PS4 announcement won't be one of them imo.

fermcr4160d ago (Edited 4160d ago )

Microsoft's console should of been released last year. The wait is probably going to hurt them in the future.

As for PS4, i think 2013 would be a good year to release it. Later then 2013 would probably be bad for Sony.

rainslacker4160d ago

Since this is a retailer retreat type of event it's unlikely they will announce anything that big. They will show off exactly what they said they would, as it's what they've done every time in the past. Retail executives don't care about that "OMG...PWN'D" feeling that fan boys do.

Abdou234160d ago

My PS3 just died, and i have games yet to play, what should i do now? Timing couldn't be worse.

cl19834160d ago

Buy another used cheaply.

RedDevils4160d ago

SMASH IT! Give it to a homeless guy or sell it on ebay lol

Seriously just repair it (if it cheap enough) you can play it for couple of months, and when it broke down again try play somes on the PC enough time when the PS4 arrive

Autolycus884160d ago

Eggy weggs... I want to smash them!

ThePUNisher4160d ago

I somehow doubt that anyone who has waited this many years to buy a PS3 will be buying its successor at launch, nor do I see how this relates to the Vita at all.

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showtimefolks4160d ago

while i do see sony atleast talking about their new system before E3, i also see the other side where if they announce it too soon than ps3 will loose some steam and many would hold out for a ps4.

i say at GDC we will most likely hear something, while E3 is the single biggest media event what you want to do is get the news to those who don't watch E3 or come to gaming sites, i say maybe right before E3 get people excited by announcing we will be show casing our new system at E3 so as many people as possible would watch it

also announcing a new system would mean price drop for ps3 for sure, i know sony recently started making money on ps3's so are they in a position to give $100 price drop?

next few months will be fun to speculate

wastedcells4160d ago

Sony has all their big games coming out before E3 so that I think is the biggest sign of a PS4 reveal at E3.

helghast1024160d ago

That changes nothing, they need to announce it eventually, better now than say, Xmas 2013

Gamer19824160d ago

Although Sony has more games than MS before May 2013 if they dont announce PS4 at destination playstation what they gonna talk about? As there is a still a lack in games after May 2013.. All we know about is 1313 and GTA 5.

extermin8or4160d ago (Edited 4160d ago )

No this late in the game, people just buying a ps3 wont get ps4 on launch for the price it will cost-the few people like me that need to replace a ps3 etc and are waiting till after e3 if no announcement has shown up... This echo's how they have announced previous consoles and I fully expect at the very least a big tease and confrimation of the device of not a dull reveal....

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EliteDave934160d ago

Doubt it. If anything its going to be E3 2013.

tdogchristy904160d ago

What If they did what ms did past e3. Do a basic announcement in feb, then a full reveal at e3 with a launch at e3 as well. Kind of like the xbox slim?

nukeitall4160d ago

Sony could, but since this is an event for primarily retailers, it doesn't seem like the right place to announce a new Playstation.

Sounds more like people are just wishy wishing!

Gamer19824160d ago

Indeed they could do that to build excitement and take some wind out of MS sails coming into E3. However then MS would probably "win" E3 as they would have a new console to announce. I would prefer to see a ton of ps4 games though rather than all the new console features at E3. Unlike MS who will just show us 90% console 10% games no doubt as thats what you do with a console (and kinect)

Y_51504160d ago

Sounds great to me! Sony announced the Vita during late January if I'm correct so I hope they do an early announcement for the PS4 E3 feels way to far away and less time to hype it up till late 2013. I want to hop on this hype train sooner than later.

SAE4160d ago (Edited 4160d ago )

The sooner the better for everyone ..

I also hope they announce a remote/cross controle for all the games in ps4 , vita can remote pc games , remote desktop showed that , so it's not hard for vita ..

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10 Biggest Xbox Mistakes of All Time (So Far)

The Xbox brand has done a lot of good over the years, but their various blunders are pretty wild to look back on in their magnitude.

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piroh4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Ironically number 9 can save them at this point (releasing games on multiple platforms)

ChasterMies3d ago

By “save them” you mean make more profit for Microsoft. Xbox will still be a dying hardware platform.

OtterX4d ago

You could add the naming scheme for the consoles, it just confuses customers. I know they wanted to avoid traditional numbering bc it would always be lower than their competitor, but this whole 360 then One then Series thing is confusing af. Imagine a Soccer Mom trying to figure this stuff out. I still mistakenly call the Series X the One from time to time on accident.

RNTody4d ago

Don't forget about the Xbox One, Xbox One X and Xbox Series X! Good luck to Soccer moms around the world.

S2Killinit3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

They did that on purpose to confuse and direct attention away from the generational numbering.

MS doesn’t like reminding people that they joined the industry after others had already been involved in gaming.

For instance, they called the xbox “360” to combat PlayStation “3” because they wanted to seem like “more” than “3”, so instead of xbox 2, they opted for xbox 360. Also this had the additional benefit of selling consoles to uninformed parents who might purchase a “360” instead of a “3” by mistake, or because they thought 360 was more than 3. Kind of a disingenuous move.

They have been continuing with their confusing naming patterns for pretty much the same reasons. Frankly, it fits with who and what they are as a brand.

FinalFantasyFanatic3d ago

I can understand their reasoning, but whoever came up with that naming scheme should be fired, bad naming schemes have killed consoles (I'm pretty sure it was the major reason for the downfall of the WiiU). They should have had unqiue names like Nintendo and Sega have had for their consoles, far less confusing for the consumer.

Cacabunga4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Phil Spencer is the worst that has happened to Xbox.
They built a respectable brand up to Xbox one. Then this guy took over and things became a joke

Reaper22_3d ago

He still has his job. Something you can't say about Jim Ryan.

Cacabunga3d ago

Both bad execs. One is on job and one thankfully retired.

FinalFantasyFanatic3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

I didn't like either person, both people damaged their respective brands and produced worse outcomes, but Phil did save the Xbox brand from being retired by Microsoft. Although in hindsight, he should have just let it die, rather than languish in limbo like it is now.

Rainbowcookie2d ago

Yeah but the one that was "bad" didn't even affect sales.

bunt-custardly3d ago

Phil Spencer was also on the team back when 360 was around, alongside Shane Kim, Peter Moore etc. I think the damage that did the most harm was the Don Mattrick "Always Online" console (ahead of its time basically). They handed Sony and Nintendo a free-pass when that was revealed. It went downhill from there. Then the corporate machine went into full swing to try and recover. They have to a degree as a games company for the masses, and less so for the core gamer. Outside USA, the Xbox brand does not sell as well as Japanese based consoles (citation needed).

Cacabunga3d ago

Want a decision maker. The always online and TV plans was a disaster yes, but they caught up by announcing 1st party games that gamers actually kept the hype going.. until this moron took over and introduced the PC day one release.. e all know where that ended..

S2Killinit3d ago

I dont think they were ever a respectable brand, not since the beginning, when their goal was never to be involved and share in the gaming space. I think the OG xbox was an exception because MS as a brand was still getting its foot in and so the people behind that were people of the gaming industry.

FinalFantasyFanatic3d ago

The 360 was the brand in its prime though, everything went downhill towards the end of that generation. Its staple games like Halo, Forza and Gears are what kept the console relevant and afloat for so long.

MaximusPrime_4d ago

Really good video.

I remember the days with RRoD was big news on here, N4G.

Microsoft had it turbulence number of years.

Looking at the success of Sea of Thieves despite being 6 years old, time to release Halo, Forza horizon 4 & 5 on PS5. It'll help their revenue

shinoff21833d ago (Edited 3d ago )

2 of the 4 games they did already sold really well. So it's definitely going down. Idk about halo or forza but I feel those studios they've bought in the last 5 years, their coming

ChasterMies3d ago

I found this video painful to watch. Can someone list them out?

Top 10 for me from are:
1. 2013 reveal presentation
2. Bundling Kinect 2 with Xbox One
3. RRoD or why rushing to market with hardware is always a bad idea.
4. Buying studios only to close them.
5. Ads on the Home Screen
6. Letting Halo die.
7. Letting Geard of War die.
8. Every console name
9. Charging for Xbox Live on Xbox 360 when Sony let PS3 players play online for free.
10. Cancelling release of OG Xbox games after the Xbox 360 launched.

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Sony CEO says although AI "has been used for creation," it's "not a substitute for human creativity"

"AI is not a substitute for human creativity. We position it as a technology that supports creativity. Creativity resides in people. We will continue to contribute to people's creativity through technology," the CEO said.

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1nsomniac5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

...not yet but 100% within the next 10 years!

..Then Sony will use it like the drop of a hat. They're no different to the others.

isarai5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

They used to be 😞 sure it was always a business, and money's always the priority, but they used to have a very strong stance on supporting artists and creativity. "Dont f#@k with the artist" was a phrase they touted a few times back in the ps1-ps3 era, a philosophy carried over from their music branch PlayStation was created from. It's not COMPLETELY gone, but it's barely there compared to what it was back then, i just want them to return to that.

Eonjay4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

I am highly encouraged by their statement about human creativity. "Dont f#@k with the artist" is exactly what they are saying. But at the same time, I don't think people understand that Sony is a corporation. If they don't realize growth, they don't get to exist. When you say 'Sony', you are talking about a bunch of investors. To speak about them any other way is a illogical and incorrect. They haven't changed. They have been a group of investors since they became a public business.

isarai5d ago

Ugh, i really wish people would stop gambling people's livelihoods by turning a project/game into their political soapbox. Im all for statements and having your own opinion, but there's more people working on this than just druckman, ham fisting your political beliefs onto just seems inconsiderate for everyone elses job security when it can result in a failure due to people avoiding it for that reason.

I play games for escape, im so tired of nearly every AAA game blatantly dragging real world issues to shove in my face when I'm trying to take a break from it all. They don't even bother to be subtle about it, quite the opposite, it's blasted and force fed to you and it's just getting exhausting

Einhander19724d ago

People are taking a whole interview and cutting it down to clips that make him look bad and take what he actually was saying out of context. For example he also said things like this AI has "ethical issues we need to address"

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@Einhander

Why defend him at this point?

It’s not taking things out of context, he said what he said.

Old ND would never talk about soulless AI taking over so many creative things they are well known for. The whole “ethical issues” is just a good PR spin people who push this crap fall back on to make their statements not seem as bad. So many AI lovers do this.

AI has no place is so many creative based things.

Einhander19724d ago

Well yeah, because everyone else is using it so they need to stay competitive. It's the same as paid online, they didn't want to go that route but their competition was making so much money they needed to add paid online just to keep up.

RaiderNation4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

AI will never replace humans in game development in terms of conceptualizing new games. Humans still need to come up with the ideas and what they want to implement. However much of the day to day menial coding could be AI driven to reduce production time and team size. I could also see AI being used for bug testing/optimization that could lead to better quality games at launch. I'm actually very optimistic about how AI can positively impact game development.

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XiNatsuDragnel5d ago

Good statement but hopefully this holds up

NotoriousWhiz4d ago

People that aren't software developers just don't understand the benefits of AI. People who's only exposure to A.I is the Terminator movie and other related sci fi films won't understand the benefits it provides.

It's not about replacing human labor. It's about making human labor easier.

Many years ago, I had laser eye surgery done. It was performed by a robot. The doctor took my measurements and calibrated the machine to make sure it would do what needed be done. And then the robot corrected my vision in 10 seconds.

15 years later and I still have 20/20 vision.

Eonjay4d ago

AI in and of itself is not a 'bad'. Money is bad. Money is evil, and corporations will do whatever they can to get more of it. They will find ways to implement AI to replace as may jobs as possible. This isn't even up for debate. It is the charge of the corporation to maximize returns for the investors. They have no choice. I'm a developer and I know that my job will absolutely be replaced. Therefore, I have decided to become an AI dev. AI has a lot of potential to help us solve problem on a scale most can't even imagine. The issue, as ever is that our monetary system only ever allows us to focus on greed and fiscal growth.

But I am a pragmatist. Perhaps an AI model can be built to help protect us from our most dangerous instincts and habits. And perhaps Congress can pass laws to protect us from people who would use AI to manipulate and control us (spoiler: they wont).

RaiderNation4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Progress is inevitable. Nobody driving cars today is complaining that the horse and buggy is no longer around. Yes, some jobs will be lost but guess what? With innovation comes new job opportunities. It's how the cycle of the job market works.

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Microsoft to Add Copilot AI to Video Games

Microsoft recently revealed its plans to incorporate Copilot directly into video games, with Minecraft being the first showcased example.

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Fishy Fingers8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

F*** AI

"Hey Copilot, what's a good meme to prove I dislike AI".... https://giphy.com/clips/sou...

Einhander19728d ago

Two trillion dollar company that just can't wait to put as many people possible out of work as fast as possible.

It feels like every single thing they do is making gaming worse and destroying the industry.

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darthv727d ago

....you know it takes people to program the AI.... right? It isnt like it is sentient. We haven't reach skynet level of situation or anywhere close to the matrix just yet.

That's next Thursday.

Einhander19727d ago (Edited 7d ago )

It takes a people to program the AI then that AI is used for who knows how many games eliminating countless jobs which only grows as AI is used for more and more game creation functions.

What you're saying is so ridiculously short sighted and truly larking any kind of understanding and foresight.

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CaptainFaisal8d ago

Why all the hate? Im actually excited about this! Always wanted this kind of immersion, and an AI companion with me all the time helping me out knowing the status of my skills/inventory/progress and giving me tips on the best approach or how to craft something specific is game changing for the industry.

Hate all you want about AI, but this is just the start and I can see the potential already. You wont be complaining in the next 5-10 years about this, but rather complain if a game hasn’t implemented it.

MrDead8d ago

Yes we can't wait for the work of others to be used without the need to pay them so that MS can profit even more from the people they fire.

I_am_Batman8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

There is no chance I'd ever use something like this, especially if it's not part of the core game design, but a layer on top of it. It's way too much handholding. Many games already feel like busy work, because they don't let the player figure things out on their own. Having a real-time interactive guide defeats the purpose of playing the game in the first place in my opinion.

If this were to become the standard like you predict, we'll see more and more video games get away with bad design, because people will just be used to ask for help from the AI companion anyway.

Number1TailzFan8d ago

Well Nintendo don't need this with some of their games these days, with invincible characters, items, easy bosses etc.. they do the hand holding built in

helicoptergirl8d ago

Takes "hand holding" in games to a whole new level.

BlackDoomAx6d ago

Because human nature xD Almost every new technology had these kind of comments.

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