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Editorial: Who cares if Notch sold Mojang to Microsoft. Why does it bother you so much?

Notch, the creator of Indie megahit Minecraft, has sold his company to Microsoft to the tune of 2.5 billion dollars. But does it matter to you and why is everyone so upset about it?

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pwnsause_returns3510d ago

its not really how much he made, thats irrelevant, it happens every day. Look at Dre when he sold Beats to Apple.

I think the problem here is how MS will use the Minecraft IP and the Studio with its Developers. its kinda bothersome for the fact that they could of dropped that money on creating more studios or use that funding to create new IPs with their already established internal studios.

mhunterjr3510d ago (Edited 3510d ago )

The assumption that if MS if weren't buying Mojang, they would have spent the 2.5 billion on something game related...

For all we know, they wouldn't have spent it at all, or would have spent it on something totally unrelated to gaming...

Truth is, we have no idea what MS' plans are orhow much they have or will invest in studios and/or 1st party games. so to be sour about this makes little sense. It's their $ to spend as they see fit.

I look at the backlash after the Oculus Rift aquisition. All the talk about how Facebook was going to ruin it... When it turns out all Facebook did was give an ambitious project the resources it needed to reach the next level. This deal may or may not end up with a similar result, but there is no reason to assume the worst.

DiscoKid3510d ago

They did spent the 2.5 billion on something game-related. They bought Minecraft.

SilentNegotiator3510d ago (Edited 3510d ago )

You don't have to assume anything...the point is that they had the capacity to spend more money on Xbox in wake of all of the criticism that they don't have enough new IPs. It's unlikely that they will spend ANOTHER 2.5 billion on game related stuff - in a very soon time frame - now.

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guitarded773510d ago

I think it's fair to assume that there is potential for this to be negative. Take MS's acquisition of RARE for example. If we look at past experience, people are right to be concerned.

mhunterjr3509d ago

@guitarted77

It's not fair to assume anything. They also bought Bungie... That turned out well for everyone.

If you want to look at past experiences, don't just look at the ones that suit your argument.

guitarded773509d ago

@ mhunterjr

How the hell did MS's time with Bungie "turn out well for everyone". Bungie went from a 3rd party, able to make games for all platforms, to just making for MS. It separated them from the mass audience they once again have. As much as I hate Activision, at least Bungie is free to stretch its legs again.

mhunterjr3509d ago

@guitarted

Are you inherently against the purchase of 3rd parties? Because of so, you'd find any aquisition bad. Or are you just against Microsoft aquisitions? Do you feel the same way about the countless 3rd parties Sony has purchased? You do understand that any aquisition is going to come with an expectation of exclusivity, right?

As for MS buying Bungie, do you think activision would have spend $500mil on this new franchise if Bungie didn't reach legendary status with Halo. Unlike with Rare, the Bungie aquisition improved the value of all brands it was associated with.

MrPink20133509d ago (Edited 3509d ago )

guitarted77, so then you agree it was good for Insomniac to leave Sony and Sucker Punch should follow suit? Critics of Microsoft have said they need to build within and now that they buy Mojang it's bad???

How come some peeps here act like they know how to run a company? Let me get this straight, they spend 2.5 billion on this and now people think that money would have went elsewhere to building up the Xbox One? Buying minecraft has far more repercussions than one system. Microsoft has the funds to support the Xbox One as well but as usual the same pessimistic people like to view things within a box. Besides its not like they will not get any of that investment back. In fact some analysts suggest they will recoup that investment rather quickly. But hey, let's listen to some anonymous comments.

miyamoto3509d ago (Edited 3509d ago )

Microsoft's life after the Xbox Done will be Microcraft. And M$ will milk it dry like they did to Nokia.

But M$ has a point: Why spend billions on a dud like the Xbox Done where we can spend it on a surefire hit like Minecraft?

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gameon19853510d ago

Look you uninformed gamer, Microsoft studios did not buy them, but a over seas division of Microsoft did. How ever their gaming division will reap the rewards of this purchase. As for new ip and studios, Microsoft has more new ips out and in development then Sony, and also have more studios.

pwnsause_returns3510d ago

>Look you uninformed gamer, Microsoft studios did not buy them, but a over seas division of Microsoft did.

> but a over seas division of Microsoft did.

>division of Microsoft

> Microsoft

MFW

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SilentNegotiator3510d ago (Edited 3510d ago )

And I didn't cheat on my wife; my penis did.

qwerty6763510d ago

" its kinda bothersome for the fact that they could of dropped that money on creating more studios"

you're thinking small, this is greater then xbox.

SilentNegotiator3510d ago

It does nothing to improve anything on ANY platform, though. Microsoft could have done something to improve the Xbone instead and given people a reason to buy one. Microsoft should be worried about the considerable possibility of finishing last again.

mhunterjr3510d ago

@silentmegotiator

And they STILL have the capacity to spend more on xbox if they see fit. You act as if they took money from XBOX. But you have no idea what this money was slotted for, what their motives behind this aquisition is or what their future investments will be.

Hunch tells me this move was less about xbox and more about MS mobile and services.

Spotie3509d ago (Edited 3509d ago )

Microsoft has the capacity to spend their entire funding on Xbox, but you'd be stupid to think they will.

Like every other company in the world, Microsoft's divisions have budgets. There is a finite amount of money they're willing to spend on ANY of their brands, Xbox included. So this money they spent acquiring Mojang cuts into that, meaning less money for Microsoft original gaming content.

Then again, since it seems like most XBox fans- like you- don't really miss the extra games or variety. Why else would Death and others be championing the parity clause that results in fewer games on the system?

Edit: Why would you be operating under the assumption that this wasn't in their budget? What's with Xbox fans and this belief that Microsoft will just throw untold amounts of money into Xbox without regard for their ROI?

How long do you think Microsoft will put up with that? How long do you think investors will put up with watching money sunk into a division that isn't making nearly enough?

Or are you running with the assumption that they don't care how much money they lose?

mhunterjr3509d ago

@spotie

Again, you a running with the assumption that this money came from xbox's budget...

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-Foxtrot3510d ago

I don't really see a BIG problem with it, I'm more annoyed with the fact they spent so much money on it then I am with it being owned by Microsoft now.

I mean if they do Minecraft 2 and have a shit load of features in it, things which they never put into the first game then I'll be fine. By that I mean stuff which you see in loads of mods but Mojang never added into the official game. Wallpaper, more furniture, bizarre biomes (see The Twilight Forest mod), mechanical stuff like trains/trams, air balloons, introduction of oil, electric (stuff better then redstone), generators, power tools etc. It just felt that despite the updates, even the big ones Minecraft never went as full. Look at the 1.8 one which has taken months to come out, they've just added different doors now, something like that should of been in ages ago

What bugs me though is the fact Notch moaned on about Oculus being sellouts when they were bought by Facebook, then he does the exact same. Bit of a hypocrite don't you think

kdmitchell_toh3510d ago

Yeah, that's the only thing that rubs me the wrong way. But at the same time I can understand where Notch is coming from but he / they shouldn't have said what they said for them to do a 180 and do exactly what they said they wouldn't do.

Still like I said, I don't know anyone that would deny 2.5 billion dollars. Would you? Would anyone here?

DLConspiracy3510d ago

I could be wrong here but I don't recall Notch saying the sellout portion. I think he just felt they had no prior knowledge or passion for the gaming community and might not have the gamers in full mind. What I recall him specifically saying is. Was excited about porting Minecraft onto Oculus but not now Facebook just creeps me out"

Like I said I could be wrong but I wasn't exactly following up on that bit of news.

jrshankill3510d ago

From what I understand, he has said he never wanted to be involved with AAA titles. He wants to continue making games as an independent developer.

Still, he is filthy rich now.

Nobody would turn down that kind of money. It is debatable if Minecraft and Mojang is really worth that kind of investment (I always think that MS could have grabbed Capcom for the same investment) but nobody knows for sure what will happen to the Minecraft IP. It's Microsoft's money, they can do as they please with it. It's exciting though to think how this could lead to future Minecraft releases.

Congratulations has to go to Microsoft for this one, and Mojang for the money they are now swimming in.

urwifeminder3510d ago

Gamers these days seem to need hormone replacement therapy always crying over some nonsense, nice work MS .

user3672723510d ago (Edited 3510d ago )

I love the deal. MS is always being accused of buying timed third party exclusives like Tomb Raider, and yes...even the current Minecraft for the longest and "I'll wait for this _____ (game) to be on my console in 6 months" quote was used constantly by haters. Now, they bought a Huge IP and probably will make the sequel xb1 exclusive on console, the new crying and moaning from haters is that they are wasting money. Go figure. 😕

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feraldrgn3510d ago

Because people care about the game, that should be obvious.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7217h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle4h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18811h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio1h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Cacabunga4h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff21833h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga2h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

purple1016h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos6h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

XBManiac5h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1015h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic3h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 14h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 11h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 9h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 2h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 3h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies23h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 13h ago (Edited 1d 13h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 11h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic21h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows9021h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 13h ago (Edited 1d 13h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 13h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 13h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 10h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 12h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 10h ago (Edited 1d 10h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 11h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10112d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref12d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde12d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197212d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville11d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai12d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref12d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan12d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref12d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde12d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197212d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier11d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto11d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts11d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts11d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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