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This Is How Much Money You’d Spend if You Bought Every 2015 Season Pass

While several of the big releases this year such as Halo 5 and Bloodborne hit shelves without the added expense of a season pass, many other major titles gave customers the option. So just how much money could fly from your wallet in 2015 for this additional content?

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itsjustexuma3075d ago

The only Season Passes I've purchases this year are Batman Arkham Kinght and Fallout 4 season passes

OC_MurphysLaw3075d ago

I pulled the trigger on The Witcher 3 and Rise of the Tomb Raider. The key for them for me was the promise of more single player content not multiplayer map packs.

jb2273075d ago

The Tomb Raider decision was an odd one then because there is only one single sp dlc in the form of the Witch tomb...the rest is mp & challenge stuff...they detailed it all when they announced it...you probably could've saved $15-20 bucks just waiting for the actual content to release.

InactiveUser3075d ago

I've never purchased a season pass and don't plan on ever buying one. It's a rip-off. Now you're expected to pay $110 for a full game instead of $60. F 'em, I'll wait until the complete edition is ~$15.

conanlifts3075d ago (Edited 3075d ago )

The Witcher 3 season pass is probably the best around. I loved the first pass, I have played shorter games than the first expansion. I am considering the fallout pass too, but not sure what they are including yet.

Player3Podcast3075d ago

Legitimate curiosity about Batman, how nervous were you purchasing it when they hadn't revealed the details? And was it worth it in the end?

itsjustexuma3075d ago

I wasn't nervous I kinda trusted Rocksteady because they did the last two games right and it really wasn't worth it because instead of giving the players more story content they just kept releasing short story missions and a lot of those challenge add ons

PX543075d ago

The only season pass I bought this year (and ever) was Arkham Knight, and that's only because I got the game including the season pass for just £25 at launch.

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Jmanzare3074d ago

@eejlp
Its not a rip off if you plan on getting them all anyway, you usually get a discounted price for purchasing them ahead of time.

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Thom94343075d ago

I've never bought a season pass. Screw that.

PizzaSteve3075d ago

Yeah me neither. Too bad others fail for the trap.

jb2273075d ago

No doubt...it's a lot easier for me because I don't play mp, so I just wait until they actually release any sp content & buy it piecemeal....there's typically only one sp component for every $20-50 dollar season pass, & I get it for 10 bucks if it reviews decently enough or if I just dig the game enough not to worry about impressions.

nitus103075d ago (Edited 3075d ago )

But, but, but you get really good value for season passes. You get??? ...?? ...? err! a few extra maps if you are lucky, some extra weapon skins, clothing skins and maybe if you have been a good boy/girl extra quests which you could have brought later as an expansion or DLC anyway. ... err!

Yep Thom9434 had it right first time "Screw that".

nix3075d ago

I also never buy.. But Driveclub n Bloodborne are two games for which I've bought DLC/extensions.

GordonKnight3074d ago

@ PizzaSteve

You really should thank the people that purchase DLC. DLC is how companies make these huge budget games and still turn a profit. If it wasn't for the people who purchase DLC, games would cost $100 at launch instead of $60.

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conanlifts3075d ago

Depends on the pass. The Witcher 3 pass includes 2 expansions, the first being 10 hours long, the second most likely double that. That's more gameplay than most games offer to begin with.

But yes most are worthless and a rip off.

MrCrimson3074d ago

I bought COD Elite way back in the day, that was the last and only time.

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DanielEndurance3075d ago

Picked up Syndicate's & Black Ops III's season passes this year... Might get Siege's too.
There's probably going to be 25% more season passes next year at this rate.

Player3Podcast3075d ago

I think we are going to see a lot of people migrate towards the microtransaction model like Halo 5.

Slevon3074d ago

I hope so, I handle people being able to buy cosmetic items in game while i can still earn them to get free maps/updates.

USMC_POLICE3075d ago

Did you see what's in sieges pass? Almost nothing

Crispyleeks3075d ago

Witcher 3 and Fallout 4. I played it safe but damn I have no regrets with Witcher. By the sounds of Fallout 4's season pass I won't get burned by that either.

Player3Podcast3075d ago

The Witcher 3 seemed like the best value for the money!

wheatley3074d ago

I bought the same. Fallout games have done well with their expansions before, and the Witcher team's philosophy on DLC meant I could trust them from the outset.

Jmanzare3074d ago

Me too. Bethesda always does dlc right.. Besides horse armor

JOKERACN73075d ago

Videogames are already expensive, can't afford season passes tbh ...
Good Expansion Packs like The Witcher 3's worth it tho.

_-EDMIX-_3075d ago

Video games are actually factually less money now then 10 years ago.

Expansion packs are like games, they are "Good" based on subjectivity of the end user. Some where to some gamer, a season pass is "worth it" if you spent 500 hours in BF4, you might say its season pass was worth it.

I didn't get BF4's season pass due to only playing 200 hours in it which is light for me on the BF scale, but lots of titles in 2014 and 2015 kept lots of my time, I put that 200 in MOST of it around PS4's launch, but during 2014 played and focused on other titles.

It depends, if I played more of it and seeked to continue long term like in other BFs, I might have bought the season pass and put another 400 or so hours in it as even 100 extra hours to me for $50 is more then worth it.

Consider again, we factually due to inflation have cheaper games now then years before and are in a medium that is the most value worthy out of any other. How many times will you watch a film? But for $20 or so you might get it on Bluray, DVD etc and I'm not putting you on spending 100 hours watching it over and over in 6 months to a year lol.

Nothing is wrong with season passes in terms of price anymore then the prices of games. The user really defines what that is to themselves more so.

The value of The Witcher 3 to you, might differ then other gamers, consider that also applies to season passes or any post launch content.

ShottyGibs3075d ago (Edited 3075d ago )

You're not wrong. But people have less disposable income than 10 years ago. Tax, rate increases and the cost of living have far outpaced wage increases year on year.

Not only that, if you're in living in the US (I'm not) as the majority of posters here are, you guys currently have 0.25% interest rates for years (post 08 crash) and are looking at possible negative interest rates in the very near future. But I digress. I doubt they are going to reduce the cost of games based on this. Do you?

Tankbusta403074d ago

Will people stop this inflation garbage? Salaries have not crazily gone up with inflation so it's a non argument. Ten years ago the minimum wage was still the same and if you were making 25 dollars an hour it didn't increase to 35

_-EDMIX-_3074d ago

@Shotty- "I doubt they are going to reduce the cost of games based on this. Do you?" No, that is likely not going to happen they are more likely going to raise it them lower it.

"But people have less disposable income than 10 years ago. Tax"

I just don't see any evidence to support much of this, if someone games, they will find the income. The reality is, for 10 years, we've had games for $60.

http://kotaku.com/36-years-...

and

http://www.ign.com/articles...

and

http://arstechnica.com/gami...

@Tank- Because economical facts... The reality is, games have cost $60 for 10 years whole over all costing more to create, the top most expensive games made of all time where made in the last 10 years. Mind you, that is merely the ones that even report their cost to the public, consider Konmai didn't regarding MGSV and reports of 80 million are rumored, but over the course of 7 years development, with inflation its actually around 100 million.

So they made 170 million on MGSV, they could use that 100 million to pay back their loan, a couple million more in interest and might be left with 70 or 60 million, its not enough to make another MGS, they even made comments regarding they would need finical support for the next MGS game.

Games have hit RECORD sales, yet have also cost MORE yet made less due to inflation. Its not a subjective idea, its a factual one. You can actually look that up. I'm buying MORE games now, then 10 years ago.

http://www.usinflationcalcu...

Mind you, with the cost of gaming to develop, I would wage its really around $100 per game for them to get a respectable profit to create a second title. Many need to factor its not about JUST breaking even, they have operating cost and most times need to pay back loans for a huge project on top of interest.

Muzikguy3074d ago (Edited 3074d ago )

You post a great comment Edmix. I have to agree with Shotty and Tank though. Yes games haven't gone up in price over the last decade. Everything else has though. Not only that, healthcare (at least in the US) has almost doubled too. They can tout all they want to about the prices, but the fact is to many of us, they're still high. That's why things like Gamefly exist. Games on the cheap. Can even buy them cheap from them. I got Shadows of Mordor for $15 and Dragon Age Inquisition for $12 ^_^

I'd have gladly bought them both new, but I can't afford to pay $60 for every game out there that interest me. And for the record I'd rather buy at GF than GameStop because they don't put all those stupid stickers on the cases. Had wages increased with cost of living I'm sure people would be spending more on full priced games

Edit: I also just want to say that if Konami did make $60 or $70 million profit that's more than enough to make the next game. Unless they don't think they'd make the $30 to $40 million dollars needed to cover just the cost. Of course, they'd make more than that and still turn a profit. It's not like they're making multiple MGS style games each year that cost $100+mil to make :)

And in all fairness, I wouldn't feel sorry for Konami anyway

_-EDMIX-_3074d ago

@ Miz- "I'd have gladly bought them both new, but I can't afford to pay $60 for every game out there that interest me"

That sounds more like specific situation. The reality is, we have games that broke records in sales year over year and the evidence of high sales don't support the idea that they are too expensive, it states just the opposite.

"but the fact is to many of us, they're still high"

Nope. What do you have to support that idea though? Again...consider the records Fallout 4 just broke.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

Now...consider MOST of the all time list has happened in the last 10 years of the best selling.

GTAV a perfect example, full price, 54 million units.

The reality is, you might be in a situation where you can't afford full price most times, that fine, but thats also situational. The reality is, the facts surrounding current game sales don't support that "most" can't afford it.

PS4 just hit 30 million units...again...we have more money to buy such things then 10 years prior. Consider both PS4 and XONE are hitting record sales.

" I also just want to say that if Konami did make $60 or $70 million profit that's more than enough to make the next game"

It is if you consider they could just use the same engine to save cost. The point is if the wanted to make another MGS using a new engine and need to spend another 80 to 100 million, they would be unable to without taking deep loans. Could they, yes....does it make sense given the high production quality? Maybe not. Its the reality that they can't even with millions of units due to the price saying the same.

"And in all fairness, I wouldn't feel sorry for Konami anyway" irrelevant, merely using an example of a AAA game in terms of profit and development cost. Though I feel the needed to assess their cost and have DLC to make up that cost if they want to get a bigger profit, I'm merely pointing out that they even need to do that if they wish to make another game for 100 million.

Consider....they need to do that JUST to make another game using 100 million.

Record sales of games show MORE are buying games then in any time ever in gaming. Yet we are still paying the same price since 10 years ago. We either need to raise the base price of games to $80 or $100 or get use to DLC and Seasons passes. We can't go another 10 years with games at $60 without either happening.

Muzikguy3074d ago (Edited 3074d ago )

@Edmix

I get what you're saying but I think you're only looking at half the scenario. Yes, games break records. Yes, year over year they sell and sell more. That doesn't mean people are happy with the cost of are willing to keep paying it. Look at the series that break records. They're all the same and have been for a long time. Not only that, they're released on like 10 different platforms (exaggerated). You also have to account for a growing gaming user base. When you factor all that in, the records aren't really saying much. Even more so when things that sell millions are still considered failures (which I don't exactly agree with, but financially is a different story)

I do see games going up in the future but other things need to happen as well. Gwmes are supposed to be getting easier with the PC based stuff and everything so I'm not really seeing that as a viable excuse. When companies hold certain games in limbo for so long (like versus13) that's their fault not mine or yours. And Konami makes tons of money off mobile games to more than make up for one big AAA game if they wanted to do that. I can't tell a company how to manage their money :)

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@Miz- "Yes, year over year they sell and sell more. That doesn't mean people are happy with the cost of are willing to keep paying it"

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I'm sorry but this is where a number shows otherwise. They like it enough to buy games at record numbers, I get many want things for free, but real market value is not based on if you want, its based on what people for a mater of fact will spend on a game. Those records show most will, of course a few want to pay nothing for games and want them all for free, but that isn't being debated. Its based on the majority, not a few. Could that not apply regardless of the price of games? Do people not steal even items that are at low cost? Someone not agreeing with the price really has nothing to do with its real market value.

Record sales again show otherwise.

"Konami makes tons of money off mobile games to more than make up for one big AAA game if they wanted to do that. I can't tell a company how to manage their money :)"

I don't disagree with that all at, but we are saying yes or no to what is being offered. If we feel the price isn't worth the product due to price being based on the companies shortcomings, we are free to not buy the title.

Don't disagree with that either as the market is based on consumer choice.

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5 Most Brutal Ways to Die in the Fallout Universe

The Nerd Stash: "The Wasteland is unforgiving, and there are a ton of brutal ways to die in the Fallout universe. We listed out the absolutely worst ones."

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Fallout 4's 'next gen' update is over 14 gigs, breaks modded saves, & doesn't change much at all

We were expecting problems with mod support, but there are a lot of other issues.

isarai17h ago

Wow what the actual hell 🤣🤣🤣

just_looken17h ago

This is why you get the GOG version on gog you can select the version of the game to download.

On pc fallout 4 fallout new vegas and skyrim are all broken on steam because they all got the same "next gen" update.

Skyrim dec 2023
https://www.pcgamer.com/sky...

Can not find new vegas but anyone that modded it knows the script extender there was also broken

Valkyrye15h ago

Not accidental, they want modders to stop modding their older games to force them to mod Shitfield.

just_looken13h ago

There doing the same on starfield with a mods store and blocking mods

There goal is like blizzard and what they did with fallout 76 you make mods they can sell and you become a slave.

On skyrim they have "trusted" mod devs now basically a badge that lets your mod on the store you get a crumb of the sale when someone buys it.

Inverno12h ago

lol to the disagrees, the last Skyrim update broke mods too. They've been trying to kill mods to monetize them in creation club for years, it's not a stretch that they purposely put out patches just to break free mods.

porkChop10h ago

The disagrees are from people who have common sense. They aren't trying to kill mods. Most mods for any game will break with a new update because they rely on files/code that have been changed. This isn't new. Even with Bethesda this would happen way before the creation club. Mod support is literally one of the things that got Bethesda to where they are, and they're one of the only devs that releases comprehensive mod tools for each of their games.

Sirch50m ago

This is business 101.

These are massive companies who are here to make money, not please us gamers. They will charge whatever the market will bare, and will monetize everything they can until gamers stop buying.

People need to wake up and smell the capitalism that has come to gaming. They aren’t here for us any more, they are here for their profits.

Chocoburger11h ago

Over 14 GBs and doesn't change much at all? What? Taking up that much drive space for a pathetic 'remastering' is shameful.

Par for Bethesda.

Aussiesummer10h ago

It's not a remaster, it's a next gen update.

badz14910h ago

LOL people are actually expecting massive improvements or something? From Bethesda?? the same people who released Skyrim multiple times and the all look like shit? THAT Bethesda? are people for real?

Profchaos9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

The ps5 version doesn't change a ton but from my small playtime it's enough to make me want to replay it just to have it running at 60.

A side note to this my PS4 version no longer boots after it's "update" so I guess that's what it feels like to own a Bethesda game on PC

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Bethesda Looking Into PlayStation Plus Subscribers Not Being Able to Upgrade Fallout 4

Bethesda Customer Support Manager confirmed they're looking into Fallout 4 not being offered to those who redeemed via PlayStation Plus for free.

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Christopher16h ago

Why would anyone downvote this? Don't be silly. This is great news. Thanks for sharing, darthv72.

MWeaver58916h ago

I think it's because the main question for many was whether or not the PlayStation Plus Collection version would support the upgrade. To me it seems obvious the PlayStation Plus Extra version would, though it is nice to see confirmation it will.

That said, Bethesda highlighting the PlayStation Plus Extra version low-key confirms they do not plan on upgrading the other version given to players. Naturally some people are pissed, as even the in-game phrasing says "free for all players."

VenomUK15h ago

@MWeaver589 Exactly this point, it was advertised as free for everyone.

VincentVanBro14h ago(Edited 14h ago)

It’s just a lame solution to the problem, even if it is a solution. The comment shouldn’t be downvoted though.

Christopher14h ago

I mean, it's at least something. It's 'good' news compared to the alternative. Not darth's fault even.

Also, I highly believe this will get fixed. PR nightmare if they don't since the PS store doesn't differentiate/have different text for those with or without the PS+/PS Collection version.

VenomUK7h ago

@Christopher wrote "Why would anyone downvote this? Don't be silly. This is great news."

Is this your first time here?! And when you question the downvotes you get downvoted - I don't make the rules but that's the rules!

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raWfodog15h ago

Even though I claimed the PS Plus version, I still have my physical GOTY PS4 edition and was able to get my PS5 upgrade a little earlier today. Physical media FTW lol. Hopefully it won't be too long before the PS Plus owners also get to upgrade their copies.

JackBNimble14h ago

My digital version works just fine , what's your point?

raWfodog14h ago

My point is that even though I claimed the digital version via my PS+ Essential sub, I was still able to upgrade to the PS5 version using my PS4 GOTY physical version that I bought years ago. Otherwise I would have had to wait for the fix to be released, however long that will take. Isn’t that what the article was about?

JackBNimble9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

No, you claimed an upgrade that everyone with the physical or digital license can other then ps+ extra .
And what you hold is nothing more then a physical license.

And the article is talking about people with ps+extra who didn't own the game previously to it going on ps+ .

I bought the game years ago to ... digitally, my whole point was to your statement " physical media Ftw" . So what does physical have to do with anything?

k2d3h ago

Should have looked into the 75% deal before the update, but I just assumed I owned it. Thankfully I found the physical disc, ha...

blacktiger12h ago

I expect this and also no releasing on next ps console. Pretty simple. Please don't be suprise

purple1011h ago(Edited 1h ago)

More like not releasing on next Xbox, all games sell better on ps due to 1 more consoles in the wild, &, 2 ps players buy more games. The fallout games take a long time to make I assume, probably want to make a good profit on that development time

Literally yesterday “Chairman And CEO Microsoft Satya Nadella:

"We committed to meeting players where they are by brining great games to more people on more devices."