PS3 Jailbreak: Modders Defend Hack

NowGamer speaks with the hackers responsible for the recent PS3 Jailbreak, to learn why they did what they did, how they did it and what it means for the future of the homebrew and commercial scene.

[AnttiApina]

As much as I like to jailbreaking my PSP and Iphone to get more out of it like emulators and other fun stuff made by the users, I think that PS3 wouldn't get nearly as popular as the handheld ones.

[fastrez]

Not as popular in terms of people jailbreaking or people making homebrew titles?

[8-bit]

If homebrew community takes off on PS3 then I might just have to buy a second console to mod and keep offline if necessary. I would love to play Dreamcast games, NES, SNES, Genesis, homebrew apps. I bet the homebrew community could enable a lot of those features that PS3 users have been asking for on PSblog like the ability to hit the home button when you receive a message and have it pull up instantly instead of having to navigate to it.

[PopEmUp]

lol what a joke, the Ps3 just been Jailbreak recently if it been jailbreak the same time as the PSP you wouldn't speak foolish about it would you?

[Rhythmattic]

MAME... If only....

[kaos_fish II]

@8-Bit

What the fuck are you going on about.. Homebrew? Homebrew was fucking available on the PS3 when we still had Linux - BUT no, thanks to fucks like the modders and you that was taken from us..

Tell the truth - the only reason you sad little pricks want this Jailbreak is to copy games - that's right games.. you have no desire whasoever for homebrew - it was always the games..

Go Fuck Yourself, Pirate

[ThanatosDMC]

Yeah, that's pretty much it. Bubbles up.

[Biggest]

They love to justify themselves. Please, one of you be truthful. You're all scum bags. At least be a scum bag with pride and say you hoped for a hack so that you could steal games.

[DeadIIIRed]

It's sad that these people don't realize how much they actually hurt the gaming industry with crap like this. There is no justification for pirating. Bubbles sir.

[sonnyz]

Its not very nice to label all pirates as scumbags. Unless you've never downloaded music illegally, ran cracked programs, watched a pirated movie, or eaten grapes at the grocery store without paying for them, you shouldn't judge. I'm a software developer that believes all software should be free. I distribute all my software online, free for everyone to use. I wouldn't say that makes me a scumbag.

[Gilliand]

No that just make you a dumb businessman.

[badz149]

homebrew my ass! although noticeably unavailable to slim users, the old model HAD linux and homebrew was a given with THAT on-board but somebody thinks that he's so smart and eventually abused the use of it resulting to the removal of the feature and all others were fvcked up! the 1st thing available for others to see when the JB was 1st announced was the backup manager and all pirates were going gaga over that very feature and now they want to justify the exploit?

"for the future of the homebrew and commercial scene" - homebrew in the form of HDD loader and commercial in the form of pirates making money off other people's work especially in the 3rd world countries!

[tdrules]

comparing iphone to PS3 is daft.
The PSP has been absolutely annihalated by piracy

[BubbleSystemSuck]

PSP hardware sales are good...

[yewles1]

Final Fantasy Disidia...

[Karooo]

its already 3 years after PS3 launched, time to boost sales over xbox, software support doesnt matter, new console will come in 2 years anyway.

That's why you dont see firmware update.

[Mc Fadge]

Every company wants their products open to piracy! That's why consoles tend to sell at a loss so that they can make back the money on all the titles they sell... Oh wait.

[Karooo]

why do you think it took 4 years? think about it.

Its about time it got hacked time go to no 1.

[Elvfam511]

You on crack or something.... please take a day or two off n4g....

[BkaY]

wow dude seriously..?

and what about developers... thts their bread and butter... you know how many ppl are downloading psp, xbox games... you cant even imagine...

peace

[ndibu]

Sony wants piracy on their console to generate hardware sales. Thats why they spent tens of thousands taking them to court. Thats why they removed OS, because they WANT piracy. Lmao. Shame dude, you out of ways to fight off the psjailbreak defense force?
We are formidable aren't we? Denial task farce, where are you?

[Karooo]

its a waste, no one uses and sony needs to maintain the hypervisor.

Its all a setup you will know soon, PS3 slim didnt have otheros when it launched was there piracy then?

Dont argue with me

[DigitalAnalog]

How do you think Sony managed to support themselves knowing back then they were selling at a LOSS per console. That's right: SOFTWARE sales. Do you REALLY think a small profit in hardware sales can compensate for that?

-End statement

[ndibu]

So Sony spent all that money and hindered jailbreak in Australia and are filing another suit in the US but they actually WANT this hack to flourish? lol lol lol. You're right, now that I say it that way, its a no brainer.
Lol, this is just sad.

[CimmerianDrake]

So hey, since you can read people's minds and obviously work for Sony, tell me when the PS3 is set to launch, what games are going to be available at launch, and how much it costs.

Oh, and if you can't, THEN STFU BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW SH*T!!

I hate pseudo analysts who think they know the intimate details of a company when they don't know anything at all.

[bustamove]

What the hell are you talking about? Why would Sony want their console hacked just to get more sales when this pirating could have a negative impact on software?

Don't be foolish.

[Karooo]

new consoles will come in 2 years now, Sony held out this + blu ray will make the PS3 best console of all time

[bustamove]

...What?

I support Sony and like my console a lot but what you're saying is completely crazy.

[MysticStrummer]

You can't be serious... right...?

[Mmmkay]

another stupid cunt to ignore...

[PopEmUp]

weed could damage your brain :P

[morganfell]

Giving these clowns a platform on a gaming site that pretends respectability is inexcusable.

Sony should insure that nowgamer is completely cutoff from any news or previews for Sony products. It is simple irresponsibility, idiocy, and added disrespect for game developers.

Screw you nowgamer.

[Eamon]

Screw freedom. Hail cooporate giants!

[morganfell]

You are confusing freedom with theft.

[Fred-G-Sanford]

I think morganfell is more upset about this than Sony is. lol

Seriously, dude is in every jailbreak article spinning this story like his life depends on it. lol

[morganfell]

Well Fred, let's make a deal. With every PS3 game that gets uploaded, you let someone put their hand in your pocket and take some of your money. But people like you are hypocrites because you only approve of such theft when you are not the one from whom people are stealing.

[yewles1]

"Screw freedom. Hail cooporate giants!"

I swear, the idiocy... -_-'

[Bell Boy]

No one is FREE to steal..theft is theft.

Whether you remove the game directly from the store or are sat in your basement wetting your under crackers at how clever you are...You are still a common criminal.

[lolzers]

I took Eamon saying 'Screw freedom. Hail cooporate giants!' as a response to Morganfell saying that Sony should punish them for reporting news, and it is pretty big news at the moment. I've seen major magazines interview pirates and people in the warez scene or whatever, and it's interesting to read. And also shows the other side to the story. I don't believe journalists should be silenced because they are talking to people corporations don't like.

So I took Eamons post as a point about journalistic freedom, not about freedom to pirate games.

Maybe I got it wrong, but if that's what he meant then I agree with him.

[AnttiApina]

Morganfell: why are you always so upset about these jailbreak issues?
I can certainly understand the urge to comment on these matters, but I have to agree with Eamon.

Simply cutting down all the criticism in the industry isn't going to solve the problem.

The way you handle these issues is immature: Black and White.
Why do you only care about the piracy on PS3? What about the other platforms?

PC, PSP, DS, 360 or even Wii!

Is Sony the only thing you care about the world?

Well Sony certainly doesn't care about you, that's for sure.

Theft is still a theft. Pirating is wrong in my opinion, but that's just way we see the world. Not everyone sees the world like that.

Still I do not think that this will result in a huge amounts of piracy: Blu-ray sizes are so big that they just aren't worth a download for most piraters.

Wasn't this an argument back a some time ago? "Even if the PS3 could be hacked, they still have to download those huge Blu-Ray files"

[lolzers]

'Why do you care that I care. See how that works? It takes zero intellect to ask such a ridiculous question.'

A simple question only requires a simple answer. Why you couldn't just simply answer the questions is another matter. Instead you decide to go with this....

'After all your first concern should be the simple matter of your short circuited moral wiring.'

What does that even mean? You will obviously accuse him of not understanding your meaning, even if it's just a load of bollocks. He said he believed piracy was wrong, not quite sure how 'moral wiring' comes into this. Maybe you can preach the point in your next service.

'People such as yourself wonder and endlessly lament why the price of games increase and companies introduce online passes.'

Isn't that a reaction to second-hand sold games? I know for a fact it is. Piracy doesn't come into it, pirated games tend not to go online. They haven't for years.

'Utterly absurd.'

Your posts most certainly are.

'It won't result in large amounts of piracy? I agree. But I do not have degrees of wrong. That is the avenue of persons looking to justify their own ill gotten gains and questionable actions.'

Good grief, more utter bullshit. There is no meaning to this at all. Just a case of 'I'm right, you're wrong' with some random wording to make it look good.

'If you are so mentally devoid of any cognitive reasoning that and cannot comprehend why it matters then you are indeed the one with the maturity deficiency.'

I think you're the guy with the maturity deficiency, you can't answer a question with a solid answer. Are you a politician?

'If you can't understand then I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain'

You certainly haven't so far.

'it as nothing will serve as an epiphany to those that are utterly incapable of realizing such a clear cut and resolute truth. '

My God, you have the argumentive skills of a suicide bomber.

In all that text I see no answers to what AnttiApina asked you. Not one. Some people might be impressed with the fancy, and totally unnecessary, words you chose to use. Personally all I saw was a load of gibberish, made to look as if you knew what you were talking about. But you don't. At all.

Trolls have better vocabulary than you do.

[Fred-G-Sanford]

morganfell, the only reason that you are upset over this is because of your unhealthy obsession with the Playstation brand.

Your life seems to be spent defending everything Sony, and it honestly makes me question your mental health.

I'm not trying to be mean, it's just that I have seen you do this for literally years around here.

It might be time to take a break, bro. lol

[lolzers]

I think Morgan's a mole sent by Sony to investigate and blend in with the N4G crowd. Only trouble is that he's doing a shit job. Lol.

Maybe he only started learning English a few years ago, which would explain a lot. I'm not sure, and I care even less really.

God bless you Morgan, you complete mentalist.

*salutes*

[Kakkoii]

Sigh...

Let's make something clear:
Theft is the act of stealing something from someone. Committing an act that robs a person of something.

When you pirate something, nobody else knows you did this, because you have not taken any money or anything from anyone. It would be the same as having one of those replicators from Star Trek replicate you a designer handbag. Is it the same handbag physically? Yes. But was it taken from anyone, or made the store that makes the real ones loose money? No. Because with out the replicator, you most likely never would have payed money for the real one anyway, either because you can't afford it, or you don't care about it enough that you feel it's worth spending money on.

So Digital Piracy is not technically theft. Does that make it ok for everyone? No. If you truly have the money to spend on all the games you want, you have no excuse to pirate. But if you're on a very limited budget, and so you buy some games and pirate others, that's fine. You don't have the money to be buying them all. And as a game designer I would be fine with that. Because whether the person paid or not, at least that's one more person who was interested in my game, played it and hopefully liked it. There's truly nothing you can do to make these people pay other than changing how our society works and employs people. And If you're a game designer who only cares about making money, then you are a sad person and shouldn't be in this industry, or perhaps go join Activision.

Music piracy is incredibly rampant, yet has the music industry died? F*ck no, it's stronger than ever. It's merely adapted to the new way we consume music. Almost everyone pirates music now, and then if they find a band/artist they really like, they usually buy their album, or attend their concerts (concerts being where artists make most of their money anyways, record labels rob them on song sales).

[Karlnag3]

I thought it was an interesting read. Interesting to see the crap they come out with about homebrew being no.1 priority and, fair enough; maybe it is. But try to tell me that piracy isn't too far down on that list and I'll call you a liar. I like the guys at Nowgamer, though. They're nice people. Also I don't see how they're in the wrong. They wrote an article that tried to cover both sides of the story. They couldn't get a word from Sony but they tried. They are a gaming news site and, unfortunately, this is in the news right now. Maybe you could cut yourself off from the internet for a month or so to save whatever remains of your sanity.

[fastrez]

Three cheers for journalistic integrity mate, very well said!

Anyone who seriously believes Nowgamer is condoning piracy needs their head checked.

[MysticStrummer]

There's nothing to spin Fred. Theft is theft, no matter what the platform is.

[commodore64]

Morganfell is having a minor meltdown.
The effects of the jailbreak hack are far-reaching, indeed.

Have a couple of days off, morganfell.
You'll be right as rain again in no time.

Sony will be ok, I promise.

[morganfell]

"A simple question only requires a simple answer. Why you couldn't just simply answer the questions is another matter. Instead you decide to go with this...."

There are simple questions and then there are questions asked by a simpleton. You and your friend fall into the latter category. A question from a simpleton doesn't deserve an answer and that is the matter here. Not require but rather deserve.

"What does that even mean? You will obviously accuse him of not understanding your meaning, even if it's just a load of bollocks. He said he believed piracy was wrong, not quite sure how 'moral wiring' comes into this. Maybe you can preach the point in your next service."

Thanks for proving my point. Jailbreak boils down, at it's core, to theft. If you can't comprehend the right and wrong of a issue as simple as theft how can you expect to understand the more complicated moral issues you are crying to have interpreted?

"Isn't that a reaction to second-hand sold games? I know for a fact it is. Piracy doesn't come into it, pirated games tend not to go online. They haven't for years."

Are you honestly so simple (there is that word again) so simple that you believe there is a single issue at the heart of this matter? Apparently.

"Your posts most certainly are."

I just read two of your most recent ones where you attacked the same person twice for not sharing your point of view. As you are doing here. People that live in glass houses...

"Good grief, more utter bullshit. There is no meaning to this at all. Just a case of 'I'm right, you're wrong' with some random wording to make it look good."

What's the matter, not morally flimsy enough to allow you to feel good about some things such as illegal movie and game downloads all the while complaining your government is stealing your money? You reek of someone that loves to pick your violations instead of having the spine to say this is right and that is wrong. I love shades of gray sissies like you. No backbone or direction.

"I think you're the guy with the maturity deficiency, you can't answer a question with a solid answer. Are you a politician?"

I answer a good question when I hear one. But asking why I do not like to have money stolen out of my pocket is so basic in it's answer that the sheer idiocy of asking is matched only by the stupidity of defending those that can't comprehend the indecency and illegitimacy of such an action.

"You certainly haven't so far."

See multiple entries above. In fact for the rest of your trolling, and that is what your response was ever so much more than mine, see above. You might want to ply yourself long nights with something that provides a better moral compass than what satisfies your belly. Your actiuons are so base that anything above the brain stem is proving to be for you, most elusive.

[AnttiApina]

Well that certainly was a deep answer. I appreciate your answers even when I disagree with some of them.

Simply calling people as fools or simpletons in my honest opinion is pretty arrogant of you.

If you want to continue this fight, then I am fine with it.
However, I do not have the strength nor the will to write long messages after another.

Still my message wasn't about the jailbreak alone: It was also about you. You see I was concerned about you in a weird way.

The way you speak about Sony, PS3 and others.It's unhealthy in a way, in my honest opinion. You said that NowGamer should remain out of Sony's press picture, because of articles like these.

Don't you see: You are obsessed with Sony and PS3 so far that you deny these kinds of objectionalistic articles.

Still you write great texts, unlike the most of the members here, but please remain from bashing others because of their perspectives. It's only going to make a fool out of yourself.

[fastrez]

NowGamer isn't condoning piracy you idiot. it's called objective journalism; everyone has to have their right to speak their mind even if they are pirates who ruin the games industry.

I'm not condoning piracy in any way, but what you're doing right now is shooting the messenger and jumping the gun horribly.

[jack_burt0n]

What a total load of shi*e article, its about piracy nothing else.

The ps3 with linux had emulation so that doesn't count and the demoscene had some paid backing by sony.

Most multimillion dollar companies cant get their heads round EIB, cell and if u do know your way round it get paid a fortune making games, Not making worthless homebrew lol

[rpgenius420]

Is going to blow up. They have full access to it now. Imagine all the cool shit people will make let's not forget move is coming out and that only adds to the possibilities!

[MysticStrummer]

Right, because professional, fulltime developers haven't had trouble with the Cell. Surely amateurs will make some cool stuff... riiight. This crap is for piracy. Period. Sony will be able to shut this down and everyone who bought it will complain... about Sony. I'm gonna laugh hard.

[Dellis]

Sony taking away features= Hackers/Mods are ready to kill PS3

Thanks sony

[s45gr32]

True it was Sony's mistake for removing the Other OS, and backwards compatibility. Linux=homebrew like able to play nes, snes, genesis, etc. games. Video editing, using limewire to download songs whatever and that was the purpose of Linux in the way why do you want to hack the PS3 when homebrew is already available without the need to hack. Removing backwards compatibility for PS2 games that was retarded for it allow the gamer to play all of its PS2 games without the need to hack for it. Its Sony's mistake and they are paying for it.

[CimmerianDrake]

Listen, people like you complained so much about the PS3 when it launched that Sony looked everywhere to cut costs and make the console better for devs. Linux allowed all that, and GeoHot still hacked it because hackers are never satisfied. You wanna blame someone for the removal of features? Blame the people who do nothing but whine and complain, as well as the hackers.

If people didn't b*tch and moan about the price of a fully featured 60GB PS3 when it launched, Sony wouldn't have removed BC and most of the USB ports and all the memory card readers with subsequent SKU's

If hackers really only cared about homebrew, they would have seen that Linux already ran it, but NOOOOOOO, they just had to try and gain full access to the GPU in the console. Having the ability to play homebrew wasn't enough for them. So this nonsense that homebrew is the priority is pure BS because it was there, and hackers were, are, and always will be responsible for the removal of it.

Judging from your comment below, you've been waiting for a chance to pirate PS3 games from the very beginning. Have fun being a thief, but don't blame someone else when you get caught.

[CimmerianDrake]

If you're an idiot, but seeing as how you have only one bubble, that question is answered.

So, in the spirit of answering idiots like you, I present to you this...

http://www.lostrepublic.us/...

[jrbeerman11]

How can people justify stealing? just because your not pickpocketing or taking something physical out of a store without paying, doesnt make it any less of a crime.

It is too easy to steal things digitally this generation that people are not only doing it in the masses, but they have found some way or loophole to trick themselves into thinking it is not stealing.

Edit: If your going to steal, at least have decency to not blame the place your stealing from that should be the new definition of insanity

[s45gr32]

I am stealing movies, but I will buy a couple of movies here and there when I get the money for it. Man this pile of debt is killing me no wonder I watch the movies for free yes its wrong but when you don't make enough money and all you gain is debt well then is off to steal.

[Biggest]

There's another option. Get your priorities in order. If you can't afford to do something, you don't just do it. Spend that time making the money you need to do what you want. Of course there is always the option of stealing and the justification that since you have less it's okay to take from those that have more. Maybe that was viable when corrupt government ruled the land and all of your earnings and hard work were handed over as taxes to The Sheriff of Nottingham. These days you're just a lazy moron that is bound to steal the wrong thing one day and end up blaming society for your need to steal a completely unecessary pleasure. Go steal bread because you're dying of starvation and that defense might work. Video games and movies will never work.

[Fishy Fingers]

Ha, there are some very "confused" (to put it politely) comments being posted.

[xg-ei8ht]

Homebrew my arse.

Pc security is laughable. You can download everygame there is out and play it. No problems at all, and then it says please buy the game,lol.

360 was hacked to play it's games free of charge.

PS3 has been (not hacked) sold down the river, so you can play games free of charge.

Happens with every piece of tech that anyone has an interest in.

I totally understand that people want a phone,console,etc that you can do what you like with. But sorry, the iphone hack is for theft of programs. That is a fact. It even got torrents linked from the phone, for free software that is otherwise sold.

I'm not preaching, i've d/l games on PC, But i don't like Bullshit either.

[nsnsmj]

Actually, I don't think this mod/hack is a bad thing in terms of homebrew software applications and games. The problem however, lies in the backup and pirating of games. I would hate for Sony to be able to ban a person's console if they are only hacking it to make homebrew software. I hope they find a way to only ban consoles which are playing pirated or backed up games, and not just for having a hacked console.

[s45gr32]

Oh I am just laughing at all those ps3 fanboys saying how Sony was right on removing Linux. Look what happened I was right all along, the removal of Linux further increase the determination for this hackers to hack the PS3 because Linux already offer homebrew without the need to hack. See Sony failed and I am glad that Sony is paying for their mistake ha ha ha ha to all the fools that removing the other OS was the answer to stop hacking looks like the hackers are laughing now.

[MysticStrummer]

There will be a firmware update that will shut this down. Guaranteed. The scumbag hackers won't give up though, and if you think they would have stopped if Sony left Linux in, then... wow you're crazy.

[CimmerianDrake]

Hackers caused the removal because they weren't satisfied. If you truly believe this is about homebrew, you're an idiot. If it was, the PS3 ALREADY HAD IT AND THE HACKING ATTEMPTS WERE STILL MADE!! Sony WAS right on removing it if it meant piracy (which IS what the hackers are after) was prevented for even another day. No one used the full capabilities of the OtherOS, and only people like you complained about it when it was gone. Hint: Most people didn't even notice, and if they did they didn't care.

[tiamat5]

And to add insult to injury when Sony tries to fight back and protect their investments, people get mad at Sony, not the hackers that caused the chaos. When Sony takes features away and tries to secure their game system I
I don't blame them. It's the inconsiderate, selfish thieves that I blame.This is their fault. Thieves may hate you for locking up your house and putting up security but that doesn't mean I will feel sorry for you and open my doors for them or praise them when they break in and steal from me or give up trying to protect my home because you broke in.It amazes me when things like this happen how many dishonest,corrupted people there are on this site.
And good point xAlmostPro. Like I said just because you say you are innocent doesn't mean that you are. Better not to do it and keep out the thieves out then to let a few people use it honestly and let the thieves follow them in. Sony I am sure is not stupid. If the risk wasn't so great I am sure they might have been more lenient or maybe allow it in some form or another.

[xAlmostPro]

i slightly understand what these hackers and homebrewers are saying about wanting the most out of the console..(although comparing it to the iphone jailbreak was dumb)..

but the thing is, im sure sony would LOVE to allow homebrew on the console.. but as soon as they let it happen your going to get the idiots who want to pirate games, so you need to see it like that.. instead of seeing it like they are saying "f*ck you guys who dont want to pirate and just want homebrew" and then taking it to heart so much you want to destroy them for not allowing it lol..

if you 'homebrewers' only want that.. why not all get together and remove the back up manager from everything you create?.. infact why make that in the 1st place? lol.. <thats where your "we're so innocent" comments end lol

[divideby0]

80% of those who are pro jailbreak around here, dont have the nads to use it...
those who are pro jailbreak and are gonna use it..show us or just be the blind trolls you are..
seriously,,, put up or shut up... its easy to be pro hacking with comments, but so few are really gonna try or use it.

I dont do this stuff anymore, but I am amazed at those who can do it.

[PS3-247]

Those guys are full of it. It's not about getting most out the console, it's about making they pockets fatter. You are already getting a whole lot more out of PS3 than the other consoles.

[manky]

I agree with you all.

This hack is a great thing. Pirates will pirate irrespective - but others are excited about the possibility an open platform brings.

SONY now has hundreds of capable hackers making the system more attractive for consumers. They need all the help they can get against Microsoft.

I for one have now purchased a Teency++ and am waiting for delivery. I have also just purchased my first PS3.

Excellent stuff indeed.

[jackdoe]

Lol. So you can pirate games huh? Honestly. You want homebrew. Go to your fucking PC. Tons of free, homebrew games there. You want to play with a controller? Connect a controller to your PC. Likewise with a TV. Homebrew on home consoles is a bullshit excuse for wanting the ability to pirate games.

[manky]

Are you like a Professor or something?

You really do have an amazing way with words!

So clever and thoughtful.

Cheers for your most excellent and insightful comments.

I guess it takes a pretty big leap of faith to understand why someone would want to use a very very powerful bit of hardware for something other than what the manufactured intended or 'allowed'?

If you do consider the above probably best to do it with your head under a cold shower... Thinking can be quite dangerous to those who haven't done it before.

Good luck my young Padawan.

[MRMagoo123]

The thing is ppl are saying homebrew is good thats why we want it but can you imagine the crap ppl will make with homebrew some real devs have a hard time making games for the ps3 these indi homebrew ppl wont make 1 decent thing but more to the point this homebrew excuse is just a false reason for ppl to think the stolen code for the jail break is fare to use (not hacked ppl its just stolen code) when all of them really just want to hire out some games at the local video store and copy them its all about stealing nothing to do with homebrew grow some balls and admit it you thieving tards.

[ftwrthtx]

Jailbreak no longer works