Redmond, we have a problem...

"Since the dawn of console gaming, way back in the pre- 8bit days, exclusive titles have been the key to a successful, long lasting run for the system they represent. In the more modern times, it is not just the number of exclusives the console has, but also the quality. And therefore, a problem, hereby dubbed the "Redmond Syndrome," exists. "

Myarcadeplanet.com discusses the 'Redmond Syndrome.' A name one of the writers has decided to use for third party titles being ported.

[MK_Red]

True. The Redmond syndrome, Genesis/SNES, PSone/N64 (kinda), PS2/Xbox and now PS3/360.

[cain141]

From the stand point of an Xbox gamer like myself the problem isn't very pronounced; however, I would still love to see the best quality games available made. (Even if it isn't for my console)

[coolmatrix]

Xbox360 had a year head start: Total sales around 10 million with about 30% failure rate give or take. Despite the hottest title Gears of War only 2 million copies or about 20% of 360 users care to purchase the title. ALARMING!!!

MS hopes that POACHING once PS2 exclusives would lead to more 360 consoles sold. NEVER HAPPENED, NEVER WILL! MS doesn't understand PS owners. We don't WANT A 360 - EVER!!!

PLus they are running out of successful PS2 exclusives to POACH.

What will happen then? What would happen if those once PS2 exclusives dont sell as much as Gears of War 2 million copies? Scary thought. MONEY DOWN the drain.

PS3 has already sold 5 million units worldwide and it still doesnt have a killer app yet although Resistance sold 2 million copies. That means almost 50% of PS3 owners bought Resistance compared to about 20% of all 360 owners for Gears of War.

Once PS3 gets rolling with its titles its game over.

The number dont lie. PS3 sold 5 million units averaging about $599 with NO KILLER APPS.

I would be scared if I was MS or Nintendo.

Wii only sells because of Wii Sports. No other new users will play beyond Wii Sports. The numbers dont lie. Gamers will buy games on Wii but new users will go no further than Wii Sports.

Dont believe me ask any friend or family member to play anything beyond Wii Sports.

PS3 has superior tech and superior build. PS3 wins HANDS DOWN.

Thats why Sony is not gonna waste their cash on once PS2 exclusives.

MS on the other hand is desperate. JUST LIKE POACHERS IN AFRICA...desperate.

But once you POACH there comes a DAY when NO MORE TO POACH and you roll over and DIE!

PS owners dont want a 360 and NEVER will no matter what you POACH MS!!

[AbyssGravelord]

Even though your entire post is one made by a blind sony droid, Gears of War sold about 3 Million copies in the first two or three months and now it's at least close to 5 Million copies next time get your facts somewhere reliable and not out of your arse!

[M1am1U]

that post sounds familiar. Almost like you copied and pasted it from another story. Come on, I know you can come up with something else. But really, as much as you may want it to happen, the 360 is not going to roll over and die. Sony has a fight on it's hands with both the Wii and 360. It's going to be tough to swing things in their favor with regards to initial 3rd party game development starting on their platform. It may happen, it may not...who knows, but I think it's going to be an uphill battle.

[PS360PCROCKS]

duh...

[Maddens Raiders]

and true.

[littletad]

What a biased article masquerading as a "neutral look" under the "redmond syndrome". Shouldn't judge a console by its cover? That's Sony's fault. It had 6 extra months of development time, is constantly stated as being more powerful than the xbox 360 yet it's initial batch of games can't even retain quality exactly as their multiplatform counterparts. Technical jargon (such as this), logic, and "wait and see" statements are no longer plausible excuses. What Sony needs is visibility. Proof that their console really is as good as they say it is.

[razer]

Let's blame all of the problems with the Playstation on everybody else but the system and the company itself... This is definately a biased article.. Redmond Syndrome.. give me a FN break... The PS3 just doesn't live up to the hype that Sony and it's fanboys claim.. I know first hand and even though I think it's a great piece of hardware I get way more from my 360. It's not the 360's fault that games look better and play better than on the PS3.. At least the PS3 get's these games.. In the PS2 days games just wouldn't come out anywhere else but the PS2 and being an XBox1 owner that sucked.. Pay back is a beotch

[hazeblaze]

The PS3's 'extra' development time was on the console and not on any of the games being made for it. At any rate, it was a very well written article... as it does well to point out that this is not the first time we're seeing this same scenario play out. Anyway, the power of the PS3 is already being made pretty evident & will be even more clear after next week. I bought a 360 last summer and can agree whole heartedly that there were no truly impressive games before last Nov. And with that said, the PS3 is off to a much better start as far as the games go. Plus, must games aren't looking and running better on the 360 anymore as they were 4-5 mths ago. There have even been some over the past few mths that looked better on the PS3. And so far, the PS3 exclusives are looking a lot more exciting. All & all, I think it's going to be a pretty close race this gen though.

[tomfoolery]

When yer on top,only one way to go!
And the PS3 show is hatin it!!!!!!!

[cartman313]

This is just my opinion, but aside from Oblivion, I haven't found any interest in any multi platform games. I want Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Warhawk, Lair, KZ2 ASAP!!! Think Sony is also suffering from Delay Syndrome. :(

[Kleptic]

exactly where I am also...I have owned Sony's consoles since the beginning because of Sony's 1st party software...Every generation so far they have had the absolute best 1st party offerings hands down...GTA, FF, and MGS (and it was funny that they came to Sony hardware first for those "remakes" at the time) where literally some of the only 3rd party games that interested me in the past 10 years...there are a few here and there...but nothing besides those that would ever convince me to buy anything else...

the 360 is the first system to get some 3rd party attention that I am intrigued by...BioShock looks great...and the PS3 is actually getting some 3rd party "timed exclusive" stuff that interests me a little also, such as Haze...MS's 1st party offerings only have 2 that interested/interest me...Gears was a welcome change from the typical shooter...and Mass Effect looks fantastic...although Halo3, Crackdown, and Shadowrun don't do anything for me...But I bought the PS3 with confidence that Sony themselves would be bringing the best games in the business imo, and a lot of them...They have always had high quality, with also a lot of variety, coming out all the time...

I don't see why people get so worked up about which platform a multi platfrom game looks better on...buy the system for the 1st party support...you will still get to play most of the 3rd party stuff at some point...and even if its a "crappy port", if its a good game it usually gets decent treatment and is worth playing through...Its very likely that 360 owners will get to play MGS4 at some point in the systems life cycle...possibly even FFXIII...which makes it bizarre when I hear people say they bought a PS3 for those games...This fall is bringing every game that I bought the PS3 for, and everyone of them is from Sony...and the 1st party support appears to be getting even stronger after that...

[hazeblaze]

This is the main problem I see with Sony's system right now. Aside from Assassin's Creed, GTA IV, & Mass Effect... ALL of the games I want for the rest of the year are PS3 exclusives! It's just a matter of them actually coming out!

[Hayabusa 117]

MGS and FF and NOT 1st party game. They are 3rd party. Sony has nothing to do with them. This is actually why the original PS succeeded: it wasn't because Sony studios had an overhelming catalogue of first party exclusives lined up; it was because there were loads of good 3rd party games. Wipeout,Tekken, FF7, e.t.c. Most of them never made it onto other consoles. It's because of this that Sony now has the money for first party studios.

[Kleptic]

@hayabusa...

If you would have read what I typed correctly...you would have realized I never said they were 1st party...

MGS, GTA, and FF are some of the only 3RD PARTY games that I would ever consider buying a system for...meaning, if the ps/ps2 didn't get any of those games...i would probably end up buying what ever system did...It just so happened that they were on Sony platforms...thats all...

[ReconHope]

the ps3 is more powerful. just top that off with near-identical ports, amazing first party graphics, great physics, i dont know y people dont give the ps3 more respect.

[razer]

But I agree you have to respect Sony on pushing the envelope. I really think the PSP is an amazing piece of tech both functional and sexy.. Same with the PS3.. And Sony has been in this game a long time and they will shine, just maybe not as bright as past generations.

[amerz]

I'm looking at Uncharted, LBP, GTHD, R&C5, Heavenly Sword and Lair and I don't see comparable games on 360. Xbox was easy to program for. PS2 was a bi*ch, PS3 is less of a bi*ch and they've delivered EDGE tools to help devs.

[ImWithStupid]

games developed on the 360 WILL ALWAYS look bad on the PS3.

Since the 360 uses much lower polygon models in its games and the PS3 does an insane number of geometric calculations (we're talking character models that are already reaching half a million polygons while a game like Gears of War had characters made up of roughly 18,000 polygons)this is one the biggest culprits for the "jaggies" so many xbots talk about.

When the RSX rasterizes a 1080p frame for example it is looking for many more vertices to render its geometry in enough resolute detail to achieve raster unity with the number of scan lines being produced (it's a term from the days of CRT's but still conveys the concept of resolution) thus when you introduce character models in PORTS that were created for what the 360 can handle you come up VERYYYY short of the PS3's sweet spot.This is also a reason why MS pushes the AntiAliasing capabilities of the 360's GPU. It's all marketing. Ignorant fanboys oooh and aaah at MS's BS while those of us in the know chuckle and wonder what will win out this time around BS or PS....3 that is.

[Drew]

Whaaaat? You haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about, do you?

[SlippyMadFrog]

You are saying the multiplatform games look better on the Xbox 360 cause the PS3 is too powerfull, that makes sense :/

[Hayabusa 117]

You are not with stupid, you ARE stupid.

[i Shank u]

are you god lord and creator of PS3? if not, Shut The F%*( up. please.

[power of Green]

PS3 game look bad on PS3... PS3 games look better on Xbox...PS3 games may not ever match built from the ground up 360 games.

[power of Green]

Theres no proof PS3 can pull off what Sony saying the games end looking like what many devs can pull of on the Xbox.

This doesn't matter people are not just basing their opinions on Multi platform games both console will have their built from the ground up games were people will still see the differences . PS3 will have huge sandbox games that will always be a couple of steps behind visually due to hadrware design and the learning curve edge the 360 has. Some 360 games like Blue Dragon will do what the PS brand has always done when games need to be large they put them on multi disc.

I'll tell you why Many devs don't use all the extra space on the BD with even the first party games as of now!, its because the time and money that it will take to fill these disc up will not be worth it for $60 bucks($160 dollar games being standard before this would even happen with 50-60 gig AAA's, wern't many multi disc games in the past much more than standards?) but more! and only the most confident skilled devs will risk 100's of millions of dollars filling up 40 to 60 gig games. In realality is this even practical to spend 10-15 years developing a AAA game spending ((( GoW and Killzone buget would be considered to be chump change in comparison if this theory ever came true and would hurt the industry bad! with only the biggest richest companies being able to compete if this became a standard)))100's of millions of dollars on games that could make the devs their money back?. The industry isn't even big enough to support this theory yet; maybe not even next generation the hole planet would have to sport a game lifestyle simular to Japan.

[ShiftyLookingCow]

this article is a bunch of rotten bananas

[kingjkv]

I don't get it, the editor says that the ps2 and xbox faced that same situation. But didn't the ps2 sell over 100 million units. What, is that not enough?? He may be fanboyish i don't know, but every major company has its downfall.

[schabeugen04]

Dude are you serious?? GTFO ps3 games look good on ps3, 360 had some duds its first year out just like ps3 maybe more. Funny how no one remembers GUN and Tony Hawk American Wasteland pure rubbish and i better not see anyone defend these games also the first party games were sorta bad PDZ looked like pure Arse,though PGR 3 was a god send. No fanboy just a true early adopter and gamer. Also this redmond syndrome need to be cure because it has killed alot of console. I mean the O.G. Xbox was superior to ps2 in everyway( once the got rid of that Juggernaut controller) Yet the machine was hindered because developers wanted to be lazy, and just port over ps2 games with slight enhancements. Thats why I laugh when Xbox fan boys tell ps3 fan boys developers are not lazy when games come out looking a tad bit better on 360, but they gimped nearly every o.g. xbox game. This alone proves to me that developers are lazy because Xbox was better Hardware and easier to develop for than ps2, yet they still hindered the games for O.G. Xbox. They do it even more with ps3 they don't take advantage of the storage of blu-ray or, The ps3's HDD standard. at least with a couple of third party O.G.XBOX games they used the HDD to speed up load times, on the ps3 the only game that comes to mind is oblivion. All ps3 games should cache data to the HDD to at the very least speed up load times.

[monkey nuts]

check this out: nexgen wars.com

Atleast you may be more prepared the next time you start spouting numbers from your ass. :)

[nicodemus]

The difference between this gen and last gen, is when ps2 games were ported to xbox, they looked BETTER on the xbox! The graphics were upgraded, not downgraded... So now, when 360 games are ported to ps3, shouldn't the same also be true? Shouldn't the games look better on the PS3, which is supposed to be 2X as powerful?

Sony is in trouble because, for the most part, the answer is no, and some cases, ported games even perform worse on PS3... It is NOT the same situation that it was last-gen. It's actually worse, in every possible way, for Sony... The only way to fix this problem is with a drastic price-cut --- After all, if PS3 were to cost less than 360, people wouldn't be expecting too much, would they?

[DJ]

CG vs. HLSL, as well as how the two systems work. When 360 code is ported over to the PS3, it's actually doing 3x more work than it needs to on PS3 hardware. Basically it comes down to finances. If the game sells, there's not much reason to make ports on the PS3 as good as the 360 versions.

I just got a new issue of PSM, and Jack Tretton actually emphasizes why SCE Worldwide Studios is working so hard to show people what the PS3 can do. If they set the standard high enough, third parties are going to have to keep up, especially since consumers are going to be demanding that kind of quality from their titles. I know fanatics love to say "Hah, my version of Madden runs at 60 FPS, and your's is only 30!" and then completely ignore that titles like Lair have 25,000 enemies at once and levels that are 3~4 gigs each. I guess they forget that you can't compare multiplatform titles; it's the exclusives on both platforms that give a much more reliable comparison of power/capability.

[steriotyp]

Good afternoon all. My name is Josh, I wrote this article. I have given this a few days to sink into the community and have read all of your comments.

First and foremost, I am very unbiased when it comes to gaming. In fact, I own all 3 next gen consoles (PS3, 360, and Wii) and enjoy each one. Let me tell you my fanboy views on the 3 just to clear the air.

I have been a 360 owner since day one. The console is sweet but when I bought it, There really wasn't a lot to play other than sports. I owned Dead or Alive 4, which was pretty killer and some of the others. I bought GUN for my original Xbox as well as the 360...But to tell you the truth, I really didn't see a difference. But now that we are caught up to today, I couldn't function properly without it.
I bought the PS3 about a week after launch. It was big, shiny and had that beautiful Sony smell to it. But, after powering it on, and playing the same dang games I had been playing on 360, it sat on my shelf as a status symbol more than a console. Sure resistance is fun but you can only take so much of one game. Now that the web is launched and they have some sweet DLC for PSP and older PSX games, I can't help but love it, even if my reasons for buying it (LAIR to single it out) has been delayed beyond belief.
I also bought the Nintendo Wii. It took about 2 months after launch to get myu hands on one and the fact that a game is included is always a bonus. Here again, a lack of good titles for this game shelved it until Zelda hit the market. Now I enjoy playing Zelda, SPM, and this other game called Trauma Center: 2nd opinion which I bought for my wife, but soon took over as it is fun to play doctor for some sad, strange reason.

Look, the point of this article is to address the symptoms of what I have dubbed "R.S.". Every console has undergone this since the dawn of multiplatforming. A year from now, when all consoles have some great titles, and developers are able to utilize each systems strengths to their potentials, life will be great again for all systems. If you stand behind one system more than another, well that's your choice. Although I write about PS3 titles, I enjoy my 360 very much. In fact, when given the choice between the same game on the 360 or the PS3, I normally take 360.. Why is that? Not because of graphics or controller schemes or any of that stuff. Actually, it is because I love to show off acheivements, which Microsoft has done an awesome job at implementing. So, if I can raise my score on LIVE instead of my PS3 (at least until HOME is launched) then so be it. I am personally proud to own all the systems. Each has distinct advantages and disadvantages that make them unique. Give developers, 1st and 3rd party alike time to get used to the consoles before you bash them too hard.

Since I am proud of my work, I will post my email address here, and open up discussions. If you have questions concerning any console, title of the like, please feel free to email me. You never know, you might get your questions featured on our site! Until next time,

Steriotyp

email:

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[ASSASSYN 36o]

Another this is why things are bad for ps3 article.

http://ps3.qj.net/Dave-Karr...

You nuts can cry how powerful the ps3 is with no games providing life like gaming promised last year before ps3 launch. People can clearly see the lack of superior graphics. So quit spreading propaganda.