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Rare: Our 360 titles could have GoldenEye effect

Speaking to VideoGamer.com Rare senior software engineer Nick Burton has revealed that he believes the studio's 360 titles could well be remembered by today's gamers in the same way a generation looks back on N64 classic GoldenEye.

When asked if Rare is releasing games now that will have a similar effect on these people as older games did with an older generation of gamers, Burton was confident that they would.

"I think that already happened," stated Burton. "It's funny when you get fan mail. We do. We get quite a bit. Some for old stuff, quite a lot for new stuff.

"Whether we have as many of them or more, you'll have to ask me in 10 years time. But then again the market's much bigger, it's much more diverse, there's many more games."

When asked directly if the games Rare is putting out on the Xbox 360 could be this generation's GoldenEye experience, Burton replied: "Could be, yeah. It would be a different experience from GoldenEye without a doubt." (Culture, Dev, Industry, Kameo: Elements of Power, Perfect Dark Zero, Viva Pinata, Xbox 360)

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Silogon  +   2304d ago
Yeah, cause Kameo and Perfect Dark are both incredible games that broke down the walls of gamers expectations the world over.

Rare, do me a solid... shut up.
green  +   2304d ago
Disagree with you silogan
I believe this time silogan it's you that needs to shut up.

Kameo was a fantastic launch title and was only handicapped by the very small install base at the time.If that game was launched today it will do much better because if you actually go back Kameo, you will realise that it has not aged one bit.Why do you think that alot of 360 fans are crying out for a Kameo sequel?

Perfect dark on the other hand has aged badly but in 2005, it was aa very enjoyable game.When you start a mission you have the ability to choose your basic weapons.the environment where all very different, breakaway armor on the enemies, multiple paths and co-op.Also don't forget that it employed a squad based multiplayer system.

EDIT: One question, have you played Viva Piniata?That game is one very innovative game that got a lot of great reviews and the sequel looks even better.

Banjo Nuts and Blots could end up a surprise hit because every single post E3 preview have had nothing but praise for the game.

So instead of telling then to "Shut up" , why don't you applaud them for setting such standards for themselves.
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FreeMonk  +   2304d ago
Nah....
When Rare was producing games for the SNES & N64, the games they were releasing were top notch games and now classics!!

Donkey Kong Country, Killer Instinct, Goldeneye, Donkey Kong, Banjo Kazooie, Jet Force Gemini, Diddy Kong Racing, Perfect Dark.

Those games are classics, and will be remembered by many a fan. That was when Rare had it's original founders and team. Now a majority of that team have left Rare, with most of them working for Free Radical.

Now I have no doubt that Rare will produce some nice titles. Kameo was a great game, as was Viva Pinata..but will they match the quality of previous titles...somehow I don't think so.

I'd love to see it, but Rare is not the company it was 10 years ago, which is a shame!
juuken  +   2304d ago
I agree FreeMonk. Goldeneye, Killer Instinct, and DonkeyKong were classics. I never played GoldenEye but I loved Killser Instinct. I had that for the SNES and gameboy. It'll be good to see them bring back some classics though.
solidsnakus  +   2304d ago
i dont know but i think rare is starting to suck, WAIT!! but its only because Ms is making them work on shiity titles now. if they made a proper perfect dark( one that isnt rushed and incomplete) it would of been a really great game. i still have PDZ and still think its a great game.
Bonsai1214  +   2304d ago
except the core snes/n64 team of rare people left..
dachiefsman  +   2304d ago
jebus negative nancy. do you ever say anything postive? you remind me of one of those rich chicks who b*tch all the time when they should be happy with their situation.
callahan09  +   2304d ago
360 games Perfect Dark & Kameo are both un-fun and ugly in my opinion. I played them each about 1 year after launch, and couldn't stand them. Not even close to the caliber of Rare's older work.

I tried Viva Pinata, and that is by far their best game since Microsoft acquired the studio, but I didn't personally like that game either. It was a rather interesting, pretty, and deep game, but not my cup of tea. Rare still hasn't made one thing I've enjoyed since they released Conker's Bad Fur Day back on the N64.
Superfragilistic  +   2304d ago
@dachief: It's not just negativity, he's got nothing of value to contribute to a sensible discussion.
This article from the other day explains him perfectly...

"The STFU mentality isn’t designed to foster debate, rather to shut it down... STFU isn’t criticism, it’s attempted intimidation. Why attempt to silence any developer when their words provide an opening for the kind of further inquiry and pointed questions that will generate more fruitful discussions?"

http://www.n4g.com/industry...
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solidsnakus  +   2304d ago
wow , cant belive you guys dont like PDZ. really good game IMO, it was totaly rushed and its apparent in the animations being all out of sync. but the controls and gameplay is solid.still fun to this day i play it once in a while to play some infection mode.
deeznuts  +   2303d ago
Just tried Kameo last night ... I pass. Not my cup of tea apparently.
foodbox  +   2303d ago
Disclosure: I've not played Perfect Dark.

BUT, I have played the HELL out of Kameo. It is an exceptional game. From your loud-mouthed nonsense, we can tell you've never played Kameo, because for those who do, they have a great respect for it.

Kameo is one of the most under-rated games of the generation.

And, clearly you've also *never* played Viva Pinata, which, again, is massively under-appreciated.

Sure, both games have a very-good-sized fanbase crying out for sequals (yay! Viva Pinata: Trouble in Paradise!)...

And, from everything we've seen of Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts, they've got a very serious hit under-development.

You're anti-MS rage has caused you to speak out your anus, perhaps you should take your FUD to the open zone? I think you should >
power of Green  +   2303d ago
There was nothing wrong with Kameo, the 360 ;aunch period had a much differnt demographic. lol

Pefect dark was a great rushed title that had to make launch. I know insider MSFT game testers, Perfect Dark Zero 2 is going to be huge(multi player huge, more realistic appoach, massive battles).
dantesparda  +   2303d ago
Im sorry
But Rare is definitely not what it used to be, when it was with Nintendo. I bought both PDZ and Kameo (along with PGR3 and a VGA cable) when i first bought my 360. And while i did think that Kameo was a beautiful game, I did not think it was that great a game. It was just "OK" at best for me, I really just didnt like the way it controlled and all the switching back and forth between the guys (and i beat the game). Didnt really like or was impressed by PGR3 either (although i think part 4 is far more impressive, and i especially liked the motorcycles). But loved PDZ, i know alot of people hate it. And part of the reason for that was that it was missing mad weapons and sh!t from the original N64 game and alot of people thought the story was cheesy. But i thought the game looked beautiful and played great. As a matter of fact, i think that PDZ, is much better Halo 3, and I liked Halo 1 alot! (but feel that they've deterioted since then), and is one of my favorite games on the system.

But everything they've brought out since then has sucked in my opinion. I completely hated Viva Pinata, and its a kids game. And Banjo just looks like Viva to me. And i really like the N64 Banjo. And the Avatar's artwork looks absolutely horrible to me. So i am not impressed with their work as of late.
PistolPumptMonk  +   2304d ago
Um. yeah. Not happening.
Masko  +   2304d ago
cuz yeah, u work for rare right. shut up already
PistolPumptMonk  +   2303d ago
@Masko
haha calm down there ol' buddy, let me explain myself before you get your panties in a bunch.

I'm not saying that Rare doesn't have talented people working for them, or that they aren't capable of putting out amazing games.

But with so many great games coming out nowadays, and with every genre being over saturated with gems, what are the chance that another game could have the impact of GOLDENEYE.

We're talking about one of the most amazing games of my childhood, and being someone who has played all the great games of late, I just don't see that happening again.

I will now CLARIFY by saying that this not happening is an opinion, and yes, I will give Rare a snowball's chance in hell of developing a title that completely rocks the gaming world. And no, Viva Pinata and Banjo Kazooie do not count. Also, before you go telling people to shut up, work on not being such a punk. Thanks.

Happy?
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PS360WII  +   2304d ago
Says the delusional man
foodbox  +   2303d ago
Kameo is exceptional. Viva Pinata is exceptional.

Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts is looking to be a massive hit.

What part of this is confusing to you? Get your shiat straight.
RememberThe357  +   2303d ago
What about Banjo looks like a "massive hit"
Like many of you GoldenEye was one of the best time I ever had with a game. Me and my friends would play it all night trying to get the golden gun and kick everyones ass. But what I've seen of Rare has been good but not great. GoldenEye, for it's time, was great, Perfect Dark, for its time, was great, and the list goes on. Rare does not seem like the same developer to me and operantly they aren't considering most of those guy are with Free Radical now. I can completely respect your love for the games they make now, but they are not the same quality of the past. I have not seen anything in Banjo that impressed me at all. Maybe I'll see something else but I kind of doubt it.
DaKid  +   2304d ago
Its a good goal. If they keep trying to work towards this goal more power to them, I wish them luck.
himdeel  +   2304d ago
I agree...
...it's a lofty goal but when Golden Eye came out it was a VERY different time. A lot has changed.
RadientFlux  +   2304d ago
I don't see why they couldn't. Heck any game developer has a chance of creating a masterpiece. Sure some developers are more likely than others but the chance is still there.
Immortal Kaim  +   2304d ago
Exactly, we all know RARE are capable of making masterpieces, we are just yet to see something of that calibre This Gen.

No one can say with absolute certainty that they won't achieve that high level of creation again. I suppose we will have to wait and see.
Superfragilistic  +   2304d ago
Agreed
And Rare has a track record of producing masterpieces... so their chances are better than most. I suspect they'd also be their own worst critics and given they know what they're working on as opposed to idiots that seemingly know it all like Siligon, I'm happy to give them the benefit of doubt.

Plus if you look at their history they went through a similarly underwhelming stage with the NES before they hit it big with Donkey Kong Country on SNES (maybe Banjo this time?), and then followed with five years of megahits on the N64.

Kameo and Viva Pinata were both solid titles and despite the aging of Perfect Dark it still managed 81 on Metacritic.

They haven't had that Goldeneye yet. But I read on IGN or EDGE that Banjo could very much be the Goldeneye of Platforming... personally I can't wait to find out! :)
JEDI WOLVERINE  +   2304d ago
@Silogon
I think people would agree with you regarding Perfect Dark but Kameo?

Alot of people say that this is better than most Mario outings and is certainly a solid 4/5 in my book.

As regards the future - sure give them enough time and support and im sure theyll blow us away.
juuken  +   2304d ago
It's a good goal but the problem is...can they reach it?

Lol @ the disagrees. I haven't heard from Rare in a long time so it would be interesting to see what they can do with games now. I never asserted I didn't have faith in them.
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green  +   2304d ago
You have not heard from them in a while because you have not played Viva Pinata.
juuken  +   2304d ago
Exactly. I haven't played any Rare games in a long time. I was being honest when I said I was interested in what they were going to do now.
green  +   2304d ago
I would advise you to got to a buddy's house that owns a 360, either rent Viva pinata or at least download the demo and play it.I can assure you that when you experience Viva, you would realize that RARE have still got sh*t loads of talent running in them.

I was once like alot of people on N4G regarding RARE but after playing Viva and reading the incredible positive post E3 previews of Banjo 3 and Viva 2, i now have no doubt in my mind that RARE are still great.

http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/a...
http://www.computerandvideo...
juuken  +   2304d ago
I'll give it a shot when I get my 360.
user858621  +   2304d ago
really like perfect dark? lmaohahaha
Zerodin  +   2304d ago
Sold better then Haze!
BURN!
user858621  +   2304d ago
but not as good as resistance

burn!! burn!!
Kleptic  +   2303d ago
Rare isn't Rare anymore...what is with all their BS PR lately?...

yeah Haze sucked...but Rare will never touch the greatness that it used to create without the people that created Free Radical...

it is obvious they don't even realize what the 'goldeneye effect' even was...it was a shooter that was WAY ahead of its time for consoles...hell most of the guys that make up Rare now weren't even in college when Goldeneye released...

Rare has been pumping out MS ass-kissing all week now...show something impressive, and it will be alright...but luke-warm impressions of BK won't cut it...
TheExecutive  +   2304d ago
RARE is just a name now, it is not populated by the same people it once was.
Superfragilistic  +   2304d ago
Read the full interview... 1/3 of the original Goldeneye team remain at Rare.

Also I'd point out that many people who made the classic NES, SNES & N64 games were not around very long by virtue of the tense relationship with Nintendo and the attitude/working conditions of the Stampers. For example many people who worked on Battletoads did not work on Donkey Kong Country, many people who worked on DK Country did not work on Goldeneye, many people who worked on Goldeneye did not work on Conker... etc.

Rare was a great developer, is a great developer and by all indications will continue to be a great developer.
Superfragilistic  +   2304d ago
Arrrggghhh those N4G Gremlins made me double post... :/
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militant07  +   2304d ago
rare is one of best developmer
why ??
VIVA PINAT
Swatjr101  +   2304d ago
Koncer's bad fur day

Or how every you say it
Arsenic13  +   2304d ago
*Sigh* Conker's Bad Fur Day.......
Arsenic13  +   2304d ago
The only game i can say they made that was good so far was Viva Pinata, there was way to much to do for it to be a kids game! They need to make a Conker 2. They have the tech to make a highly detailed rude little squirrel in spoofs of current games. Just imagine Conkers head in Marcus Fenix's armor! They need to make this game!
Swatjr101  +   2304d ago
They did make a number 2
Arsenic13  +   2304d ago
No they didn't. It was a remake for Xbox with Xbox live, and LESS SWEARING. It wasn't a sequel.
Swatjr101  +   2304d ago
Okay
Arsenic13  +   2304d ago
You fanboys and your perpetual virginity. Your all so precious.
CouchKing0  +   2304d ago
Keep on trying Rare, you'll get it right someday.
Pain  +   2304d ago
I dont see how they can
Considering that Half... like the good half..of left Rare when M$ bought them, they working at Free rad..aka the Timespitter /haze guys.

Haze was a great game played like a dream .sure story was Wack but its a adult aimed game so thats why the kiddy and tweens never got it.
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PimpHandStrong  +   2304d ago
GoldenEye effect?
what does he mean by that? I didnt read the article because RARE has been in the news of late pumping the360 fanbase!

GoldenEye was a great game but its more myth then fact in todays world of FPS's! You can take the average FPS of the last year and it blows GoldenEye out of the water

Rare needs to just shut up and make some good games!
Superfragilistic  +   2304d ago
You do realise the reason you have great console FPS titles now is largely thanks to Goldeneye? Although you didn't get his metaphor, so maybe you don't... :/

You should read my earlier post on those who use STFU as an argument. ;)
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ukilnme  +   2304d ago
@ Superfragilistic

You are my hero.
highps3  +   2304d ago
I dont think they get fan mail
Thats it.
PimpHandStrong  +   2304d ago
i didnt say STFU
i said shut up

if you dont understand the difference in that then maybe you dont understand much of anything ppl write

Have you tried to play GoldenEye anytime over the last year? Well i have

Its a single stick shooter that doesnt hold up well to time!

GoldenEye was not the reason FPS's became what they are and the only reason you think that is because the guys that made it are 360 devs

I think Id would have a couple words for you! Caslte Wolfenstine and Doom are what started FPS's and GoldenEye was just one of the better ones that came out AFTER those games

get a grip dude

GoldenEye like i said is more MYTH then FACT
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Superfragilistic  +   2304d ago
Errr they'd be PC FPS, as opposed to Goldeneye the father of console FPS... lol

And just like your failure to understand Rare's Goldeneye metaphor, you clearly fail to understand the STFU metaphor... yes it includes telling developers to "shut up" as well. :)
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Viktor E  +   2304d ago
After the tremendous Flop that was Perfect Dark Zero
I Strongly Disagree with the Developers statement
kevnb  +   2304d ago
What did you expect?
Did you think rare would answer that question with "no, I think we are a shell of our former selves and will never make a game as successful as Golden Eye again."?
PimpHandStrong  +   2304d ago
ok maybe i should say
Rare should be quiet till they have a game worth talking about!

Is that better!
Superfragilistic  +   2304d ago
Nah it's cool mate, we just disagree. :)

I just believe that developers talking, even when sh!t like "Bigger, Better and More Badass" is giving me headaches, is important and valuable as it opens up a dialogue with gamers and gives us an insight into what they're up to and how they're minds tick.

The more discussion we generate, the more avenues can be explored, the better games we'll receive, and hopefully that will eventually push games to a level where even non-gamers recognise it as art.
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Morgue  +   2304d ago
Uh
No comment.
Adamalicious  +   2304d ago
I'm sorry guys, Viva Piñata is adorable and all, but we're talking about GoldenEye here. Golden-freaking-Eye!! Unless you're going to come out with something as good as, say, MGS4 it's just not going to happen.
nycredude  +   2304d ago
I agree.
I agree that all developers should just shut up and concentrate on making great games.

I can't believe people and developers are still talking about a really old game that is now water under the bridge.

The industry and games have changed so lets just move on and create the games of the future.
GarandShooter  +   2303d ago
'I can't believe people and developers are still talking about a really old game that is now water under the bridge.'

It's entertainemnt, it's nostalgia, and people feel a certain attachment to it, and it's part of the evolution of where gaming is today.

Is 'The Godfather' not a great movie because it's 'water under the bridge'?

Is Jimi Hendrix's music no longer relevant for the same reason?
Matpan  +   2303d ago
Sure they can do. And hopefully they will. They have made pretty games so far. I want a classic, I know rare can pull ont out of the hat :) and 360 is in need of some charm a la rare.
Playstation Man  +   2303d ago
Rare is teh suck
Perfect Dark is teh suck. Banjo to be GoldenEye? Sad reality for teh crap fvcking 360 owners who are teh suck. When your most anticipated and hyped game is about a retarded Bear, you should just admit, you are teh suck. 360 is teh suck. Its owners are teh suck.
4D  +   2303d ago
Your mom is teh suck
She is teh suck real good. She is teh swallow. She is teh get every last drop. She is teh gargle the balls. She is teh deep throat.
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Hockey11  +   2303d ago
4D
Your are teh immature, you are teh living in your parents basement. Please do yourslf a favor and accomplish something in life. Start by losing weight so you can fit through the door to outside.
Xi  +   2303d ago
I see no reason why
Anyone who's played games from rare recently will know that they have been top notch. Even perfect dark, which was a rushed port over from the original xbox still has a feeling of polish in it's gameplay, even if everything else wasn't there.

I really hope they make a new FPS IP, one that screams the PD and Goldeneye feel, with polished and vareity in it's gameplay, and some of the great level design and weapons.
Shankle  +   2303d ago
That'll be Timesplitters 4.
jonboi24  +   2303d ago
....
Rare has the potential to a create a game that can become a classic and most developers have too but its gonna be hard to make a game that will have the same effect on gamers than GoldenEye. For its time it was simply a masterpiece that had no equal and was the 2nd best game for me, on the N64 (1st obviously being Zelda Ocarina of Time).
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Shankle  +   2303d ago
Rare started sucking when Free Radical left.
Xi  +   2303d ago
I disagree.
And so would anyone who's played any of rare's recent games. All have been top notch.

The members of free radical where best when they were with rare, since then they've done, timesplitters, second sight, and haze. While all good games, they aren't better then what rare is producing today.
jackdoe  +   2303d ago
Meh. Make another Conker game and then they might just get their masterpiece.
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