Submitted by Abriael 514d ago | rumor

The Order: 1886 to Mix Dynamic and Baked Lighting, Use Vertex Blending to Create Stunning Sets

It’s been a little while since there have been news about The Order: 1886, and the team at Ready at Dawn seems to be crunching silently for the rumored stage presentation at E3. Yet, a few more details about the game’s lighting and rendering solutions came up in two brand new career opportunity ads published on the studio’s website. (PS4, The Order: 1886)

Is this rumor true? Rumor votes 46
randomass171  +   514d ago
Awesome! Now let's see it in action. :D
Abriael  +   514d ago
E3, doubt we'll see anything before that.
randomass171  +   514d ago
Works for me. E3 is another month and half away. All the anticipation is too much, honestly. :D

edit: @below Well I'll be damned lol. It IS in just a month haha. My bad.
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Abriael  +   514d ago
Actually just a month now :D
GameDev1  +   514d ago
@Consoleslateagain @Bigpappy

First of all, what are your obsessions with lightning??

Second of all, what are you talking about??
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hellzsupernova  +   514d ago
Agreed I think we will get to see full on gameplay, and a release date at E3
user5669510  +   514d ago
Didn't people say this about infamous and got bash for it. Now prebaked lighting is an achievement. Not saying you , but people said infamous had prebaked lighting and fanboys did everything they could to hide and deny it
Septic  +   513d ago
Yeah the double standards are mind boggling.

In any case, its a mixture of both and The Order is one of the most, if not the most impressive looking next gen games so far so it doesn't really matter and nor will I keep referencing it like it was some key feature in the game like some people did.
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Bigpappy  +   514d ago
They said they will be using baked lighting, like you guys keep saying Forza is using. Does that mean PS4 is to weak to do full real-time lighting on what is supposed to be a slow paced game? Just asking. I know you guys will have a better explanation than what I suggest.
Eonjay  +   514d ago
Real time lighting may use unnecessary processing power that that be better used in other spots. But thats specific to the title and what the director wants to prioritize. For example, Forza choice to prioritize framerate and resolution over lighting, AA, and fidelity over all. Ryse did the opposite. So far this title seems to be prioritizing physics and fidelity of models and sets.

What would you choose to prioritize in a game?
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morganfell  +   514d ago
You nailed it in the comment that there are likely areas where your interaction means baked may be better horsepower conservation.

Besides, take a minute to peruse Bigpappy's post history if you are not familiar with him. He is looking for a chink in the PS4 armor, not an accurate and realistic answer.
Raven722  +   514d ago
The argument in regards to Forza was about some Xbox fans claiming Forza used realtime lighting. Which it didn't. They were trying to gloat about Forza's visuals being superior to Driveclub. Not only was that debatable at the height of the argument but became obviously incorrect when Forza 5 released with visual downgrades.

The problem is not what kind of lighting was used. The problem was Xbox fans denying the type of lighting being used and making false claims. All in a misguided attempt to prove their product of choice was creating superior visuals.
4Sh0w  +   514d ago
Eonjay I understand what you're saying, I'm not even sure if the listing has anything to do with The Order having pre baked lighting but yes you are correct it may be an unnecessary use of processing power still the same can be said for Forza5, of course all games prioritize different things. Forza5 was a racing game as such framerate and visual fidelity of cars has always been a priority, yet in the hate parade it was commonly bashed exactly for pre-baked lighting, which ironicly many reviews highlighted Forza5 as having impressive lighting. Now there seems to be an obvious double standard in regards to ps4 exclusives.
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Bathyj  +   514d ago
Youre really comparing an open world simulation with complex AI, weather patterns, time of day to a racing game that has static everything?

If anything you just highlighted how so much more is going on Watchdogs but Forza is doing a lot less yet couldnt improve the lighting.

Its an apples to oranges thing anyway, I'm just not sure your little stealth jab accomplished what you wanted it to.
liquidhalos  +   514d ago
He answered your question bigpappy now be polite and answer. There's no point in hiding away. Just say thank you to the polite posters for correcting you and move on.
scott182  +   513d ago
I think a lot of games use a mix of baked and dynamic lighting. I may be wrong but Forza 5 is really the only game I can think of to only have baked lighting so far this gen...
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SIX  +   514d ago
Man, they've really talked up this game. Is t even possible now for it to live up to these lofty goals. I hope so, but I'm going to remain cautiously optimistic.
XiSasukeUchiha  +   513d ago
Damn that sweet batter called PS4 is producing this quality.
Hellsvacancy  +   514d ago
DuelShockers AGAIN, you just know by the way the title is written, it was the same for HipHopGamer, you KNEW it was a HHG article just from reading the title

We'll have another one tomorrow but instead it'll be for The Last Guardian
WeAreLegion  +   514d ago
Despite his over-the-top titles, I actually liked HHG. :/ It's a shame he was booted from N4G.
abc1233  +   514d ago
The stuff he said may have been stupid but that guy's enthusiasm was unmatched.
iceman06  +   513d ago
I miss him too. Not really his "articles", but the interviews. Who else is getting the interviews like he used to? I don't see many on this site anymore.
Thomaticus  +   513d ago
I think they should lift the HHG ban. Either that or change the name of the website to name from N4G to N4GMNFHHG (minus news from Hip Hop Gamer).
shivvy24  +   513d ago
yeah, one thing i like about him is his enthusiastic interviews!
MysticStrummer  +   514d ago
Your views on The Order are fascinating.
younglj01  +   514d ago
Can't compare HHG he was right about most of the things he said. I still remember he was the "Only" journalists that mention Kratos in something of fighter...

I think he got ban because he was black and most of the people here didn't like him even though he was right most of the time.
Bigpappy  +   514d ago
I don't think it was all about his race, he also had a strong HIPHOP/ Street culture vibe. Not all black people have that or even like it.

Having said that, I am aware that there are people who dislike people purely on skin color. Just not sure that was the main reason he was not accepted.

HHG was a PS fanboy, but he was entertaining to me and a true gamer to be sure. He was able to get the attention of many of the top developers to do interviews and such. I would put him in the same category as Pacther, only I think HHG was right 6/10 times, Pacther 1/10. Plus Pacther is no gamer and only started to get some real acceptance here after he started with the Kinectless X1 talk and feeding the M$ separating from X1 vibe, which all plays very well here for obvious reasons.

As for Dualshockers: You can't seriously be trying to put them in the same category as HHG and Pacther. Abriael expresses his opinion here, but most of his submissions are breaking news that is free of opinions. In fact his submissions are very popular hear, and you are only mad because the article mentioned that some lighting is prebaked, as though that is such negative thing and dualshockers some how are responsible.

@Eonjay: I agree with everything you said above. I am actually not criticizing the game or faulting the PS4. This is just pointing out hypocrisy to the fanboys how are quick to point out these developer decisions as some sort of flaw to the game or hardware it is on, if it is not PlayStation.

As for what I would choose, what ever doesn't hurt gameplay and content, while presenting the game in the best possible light (pun intended). In other words, what ever the developer see as best for his vision, as I do see games as an art form.
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WeAreLegion  +   514d ago
It had nothing to do with him being black. That's ridiculous.
iamnsuperman  +   514d ago
What are you talking about. HHG twisted the meaning and made outrageous titles with videos that didn't match. It wasn't because he was black. He was just crap
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younglj01  +   514d ago
Crap is you serious? I have seen worst articles from websites on here now. If he "suck" how did he get exclusive interviews that most major sites never got.

He gave information in a way that wasn't "proper" or in a certain way. I'm not an fan of him myself but for the info he was giving the "gaming" community on certain titles was amazing.

There are an couple of articles where he guessed right and guess what he even hinted at an certain next-gen title years ago....The reason I bring his race into this because there is a lot less credible information coming from certain sites and they have been here for years.

If you going to ban someone for "crap" material then a lot of other people should be ban also just my 2 cents...

Edit:Also I don't mind Dualshockers because they usually get an rumor/information before anyone else.
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iceman06  +   513d ago
@youngglj01...The claim is that he was booted because he "wasn't really news". However, as you stated, with the tweet articles we get almost daily, you have to think that at least he was providing content. Every Hip-Hop Gamer Show had an interview with somebody. Sure, he had his bias.
@Bigpappy..So it was the "HIPHOP/Street" vibe? I think that was what he used as his hook. He was attempting to cross two things people usually don't think go together...Hip Hop and gaming. (which is crazy because many artists keep video games on their tour buses) I remember people complaining about his English and him being "unprofessional" because he used slang. However, when he did interviews, you didn't see him staying with ONLY Hip Hop vernacular. That says something right there. I think there were definite racial undertones to the comments in his articles. But, the main reason was because of "flamebait" titles and "lack of news" at least according to N4G. There's a video on YouTube that he posted where he highlighted the reasons that were given to him from admins of N4G.
Thomaticus  +   513d ago
First question I'm wondering is... has anyone else been treated like HHG on this site?
abc1233  +   513d ago
@BigPappy are you actually serious about Dualshockers? The articles are riddled with opinions, particularly with that recent Sony E3 "leak", it may have not been his opinions but simply putting those in was as unprofessional as anything HHG has done. I don't treat either of them as particularly great news sources but at least HHG was entertaining.
Eonjay  +   514d ago
Why are so offended by this title.
Speak_da_Truth  +   514d ago
Can't wait for this game
Dark11  +   514d ago
I really hope this game will be more than your average third person shooter.
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LOGICWINS  +   514d ago
Judging from your disagrees, people want the Order to be your average third person shooter.
LOGICWINS  +   514d ago
Judging from your disagrees, people want the Order to be an average third person shooter.

EDIT: Apologies for thr double post lol
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LarVanian  +   514d ago
E3 this year is going to own! From both Sony and Microsoft! But even then, the demos for The Order and Uncharted will probably be enough to blow my mind!
TheTowelBoy  +   514d ago
No idea what this means. It was like intently listening in class but.. you really got nothing. Lol anyway really intrigued by this game. The cinematic stuff I saw a few months back was crazy fast paced.
LoveForGames  +   514d ago
tis gona be gud!
MegaRay  +   514d ago
Enough with these kind of rumors.
Screenshots or its a lie
BX81  +   514d ago
Bring it on. So happy with the games I see coming out.
elhebbo16  +   514d ago
baked lighting..
pyramidshead  +   514d ago
Environmental soft body physics on everything you can see....
elhebbo16  +   514d ago
truly next gen amirite'? lol
GameDev1  +   514d ago

I love how you left out the part of "Mix Dynamic" and Baked lightning

Killzone shadow fall also used a mixture of dynamic lightning for dynamic shadows and baked lightining for static objects

Might be what they are also aiming for
elhebbo16  +   514d ago

They are still using baked lighting, just because you can add a layer of dynamic on topic doesn't change the fact that the game cant handle real time global illumination. Its the same thing as last gen, not fully dynamic at all.
dontbhatin  +   513d ago
Why the heck does it need to be dynamic all the time? I don't understand this, just like how they did it with infamous, they used a set type of lighting to SET THE MOOD for certain moments of the game.

And is it really necessary for every bit of lighting in a game to be dynamic? For example a candle, something you will see constantly in this game, do you really think it is necessary to make every single candle or lantern a dynamic light source?? It would be a complete waste of resources!

Do you see what they are doing with this game?? Im suprised it can look as good as it currently does on the PS4.

And since when is Dynamic lighting something any of these console makers even stated as a "next gen" feature????

Oh next gen you say? Not unless it can do everything the best graphics engine is capable of rendering! Herp Derp
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elhebbo16  +   513d ago
what ever, I guess I cant argue with you peasant. enjoy your potato.
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dontbhatin  +   513d ago
LOL such a belittling response. Good day sir!
GameDev1  +   513d ago

How do you know they are adding a layer of Dynamic?? It highly depends on what they want to achieve, it might be more dynamic than baked, like Killzone.

And it is still next gen, Dynamic lightning is better but for developers still has more fault than properly tweaking baked lightning which allows for more options
GusBricker  +   514d ago
Whatever the hell that all means. Jeez.

mogwaii  +   514d ago
Vertex blending!!! PHWAOORRRR!!!....i have no idea what that means, lol
abc1233  +   514d ago
What current gen game doesn't have a mix of dynamic and pre-baked lighting? I'm genuinely curious.
DVS-Zev  +   514d ago
Forza horizon.

It was all baked.
abc1233  +   514d ago
You mean Forza 5? If so, then no it had some degree of dynamic lighting too, just a static light source.
Rogert  +   514d ago
thats great and all, but if the gameplay is nothing extraordinary itself then all the graphical prowess this game has will mean nothing.
pyramidshead  +   514d ago
I'd wait until E3.
Master-H  +   514d ago
And you've seen exactly how much of that gameplay ? 10 seconds of the alpha build ?
Rogert  +   514d ago
Hence why I said IF, all the hype the game has generated is from the graphics with the gameplay barely being mentioned at all. The 3 minute video that was online was graphically impressive, but if the entire game is just a normal third person shooter it will be forgotten rather quickly.

However, come E3 we'll know what this game truly has to offer.
Geekman  +   514d ago
I just now noticed! 1886 is the same year Nintendo was created! Expect a reference.
hkgamer  +   514d ago
you on drugs?
LarVanian  +   514d ago
Close Geekman but you're three years early lol
Geekman  +   514d ago
Crap, lol. Uh, hkgamer,how does getting a date wrong equivilate to being on drugs?
memots  +   513d ago
yeah close by almost 100 years .... real close.
annus  +   513d ago
@memots Nintendo didn't start in video games.

I'm also no mathematician but I don't think 1889 - 1886 is 100 years.
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D3ATH_DRIV3R_777  +   514d ago
I'm tired of looking at pictures of this game! yeah it looks great, but i want to see more of it in motion.
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mochachino  +   514d ago
I don't care what tricks they use so long as it looks good.
bleedsoe9mm  +   514d ago
still on the fence on this game , both Sunset overdrive and the order had teaser trailers last E3 , sunset looked awesome the next time i saw it , the orders first public showing looked like a generic 3rd person shooter with QTE;s bad acting and pretty character models . now , i hope they are much farther along and they blow me away at E3 this year , my fingers are still crossed for this game .
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GundalfDeGrej  +   513d ago
Isn't this like the third game where dualshockers tries to pass job requirements as news? All of these things are standard practice and it's required to have knowledge about these things even if the game they're currently working on isn't using it. The Order will look amazing regardless but you might as well say the sky is blue while you're at it.
windblowsagain  +   513d ago
Title is trying to pull people in.

The article does not state in any way THAT they are using both. The job offer is merely asking for someone who knows the're lighting. All area's of it.

Most games use a mixture though. You'll know when standing in the sun outside in a game, shooting an oject down, but the shadow is still there,lol.
purp13m0nk3y  +   513d ago
After reading through the comments and having a jolly good giggle I realise just how little people actually know/understand about lighting in games.

All game engines use a combination of Static (pre baked if you will) and dynamic lighting.

Obviously it basically comes down to the light source in question. While certain effects/visuals can only be achieved with dynamic lighting, many light sources can remain static without negatively effecting image quality but offering a significant performance advantage.

You'd be hard pressed to find a game that does not have a combination both static and dynamic lighting.
Klad  +   513d ago
yay!!! i'm gonna buy the game because its got baked lighting!!!
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Azzanation  +   513d ago
Its funny that when a Sony dev comes out saying great things about there visuals in there games, people are like (Cant wait for E3) But when MS come out claiming great things about there visuals, people say (Stop talking)?

This site is funny.
ILLINOIS  +   513d ago
ALl I know for sure is this game is going to look amazing! If plays even close to the level as it looks it will be a must have.

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