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Dear Microsoft, Stop Making It So Hard to Defend You

GeekParty's Jake Valentine writes an open letter to Microsoft.

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NYC_Gamer3888d ago (Edited 3888d ago )

Why defend any company?we need to stop acting like these companies are our friends/ we aren't getting paid by them.

US8F3888d ago (Edited 3888d ago )

It is not a matter of defending a company like a friend but defending a company based on genuinity and good business. shoving things down on your consumers is bad business, as if they are our parents and telling us what and what not to do. Making the consumer happy means more money for the company which makes them happy

Microsoft's case, not so much. It started in disaster and I hope it doesn't end the same way, for the sake of competition atleast. I hate that they were full of dishonesty from the get go, and so much gimmicks to sell their over priced console.

Regardless, people would buy their system because they love their exclusives, but for me, no exclusive is going to make me sell my rights for gimmicks. Even if they reversed most of the things now, its too little to late for that.

I swear if Sony did the same thing, I would stick to PC gaming, and I would be more than happy with that. Thank god they didn't

Neonridr3888d ago

so the PS3 wasn't an overpriced console?

hop3lessfray3888d ago

Exactly. It's nice to be able to look back at the PS3 and see how Sony was able to turn it around. For the sake of competition, it would be nice if they could turn it around as well.

Things are better when both consoles are strong.

US8F3888d ago

@Neonridr

It was but I bought it 2 years after it was released. Did Sony force anything on us when they released it other than the price? Did they lie to us and make 180 degree reversals after they claimed it wasn't possible when asked? there is more to say but you get my point.

IcicleTrepan3888d ago (Edited 3888d ago )

@US8F

Firstly, Microsoft did not lie. It was a cluster by any standard, but they didn't lie. And no they didn't force anything on you unless they at gunpoint made you buy the console that isn't even out yet. boo hoo on your little immature tears.

Secondly, shouldn't you be more concerned about your government lying to you and forcing things upon you (for real) than a video game company? Give me a damned break.

You act like Microsoft shredded your favourite stuffed animal.

hop3lessfray3888d ago

@US8F

They kinda forced Sixasis a bit (Lair) before they released DualShock 3.

adorie3888d ago

@Neonridr
How was it overpriced when it had Blu-Ray? Not to mention HDMI and wi-fi, OUT of the box.
The PS3 was supposedly worth something like a thousand dollars and Sony were losing tons of money on each system.

"in before: not my problem"

darthv723888d ago

@US8F...some would argue that bluray was forced because the quality of the games at the time were no better than DVD quality.

sony was even questioned if they could have released a PS3 without the BD drive and while it would have been possible, they were more interested in pushing forward the acceptance of the format than actually making use of its space.

the usefulness of the capacity came in time but until a game like MGS4, the capacity was not used to the benefit of the format. it was for movies which was the driving idea from the beginning.

So Im glad sony stuck to their idea of keeping bluray just as i am glad Ms will stick to their idea of including a kinect with every xb1. the appeal of what they offer is not something that is universal (not everyone will like it) but you have to give them credit for believing strongly in their product to keep it relevant.

And I would not go so far as to say "defending a company" more like just educating those with closed minds that its okay to be receptive to something different. you never know if you will like something if you arent open to trying it out for yourself.

YNWA963888d ago

I am glad Sony turned it around, but companies do make mistakes, errors and so on, and I know MS screwed things up, but to be honest, it has been merciless and extremely personal for some people here, while pretending Sony never made mistakes and that they are the Messiah... have your gripe against MS, no problem, but get over it... to come on every article, and see the same whining, even when its a good article/news or whatever... its pointless at this stage.... I do not know about others, but I am sick of seeing people here, complaining, attaching a bunch of links, and never actually articulating something by them self, enough is enough, please...

hop3lessfray3888d ago

@darthv72

Forced? Perhaps, but it was an absolutely brilliant move by Sony.

Microsoft could have easily supported HD-DVD natively, but their decision not to may have cost the format.

Sony could boast the fact that every PS3 owner was also a Blu-ray owner, helping the format's sales. It's the same gambit Microsoft is trying with Kinect: every Xbox One owner is also a Kinect owner.

adventureghost1243888d ago

@IcicleTrepan

So when they microsoft said "We cant change the Xbox One's policies with a flip of a switch," and then completely reverse them 3 days later that wasn't lying? About forcing things on to you, he's refering to if you bought the console, they tried to force DRM and a nearly constant connection to the internet. About government, how do you know what country he is from? His government could be fine. Not to mention that Microsoft has ties to the NSA, and was, without a doubt, going to use the kinect to spy on its users.

quenomamen3887d ago

Agreed, if these was a car company, fast food company, wachine machine company there would not be so many fanboys making excuses.

n4rc3887d ago (Edited 3887d ago )

Yea they did.. Remember back when ps3 would run Linux?

How quickly did they own up to the hack?

Keep acting like Sony has a perfect track record if you want.. Doesn't make it true

And its not a lie.. They are essentially rewriting all software to make it happen.. Its not a flip of a switch no matter how easy it is to say so

tordavis3887d ago

@us8f - yes they lied. They took away Linux, they took away backwards compatibility and they flip flopped on rumble support.

Just sayin...

Freedomland3887d ago

@tordavis

They took away all these features so that they can reduce price and to improve security.

kreate3887d ago

Sony forced bluray on us as much as microsoft forced dvd on us like how sony forced cd on us like how nintendo forced the wii-mote on us.... etc etc.

Than kratos, master chief, mario was shoved down our throats .... etc

*grumbling

/s

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GarrusVakarian3888d ago (Edited 3888d ago )

If anything, you should USE a company, get what you want from them (in this case games) and leave it at that, they get your money, you get your games, everyones happy.

Of course there's always going to be a certain amount of respect or admiration for a company that suits your needs, but people need to stop acting like they are married to these companies.

devwan3888d ago (Edited 3888d ago )

I see what you're saying but can't fully agree with it.

For me and many console gamers it's not a matter of taking what you want and that's the deal done, kthxbai... reason being it's not just like using a utility company that provides a generic faceless service for the mundane day-to-day stuff. To me it's somewhere closer to being a fan of a football team.

YNWA96 posted above you, he's a ms fan (I believe) and clearly a Liverpool fan. I'm sure he's much more passionate about the mighty reds than he is about the company who made his games console, but I'd bet he doesn't think of buying games and paying for live from Microsoft the same way he does paying council tax or British Gas for their services. There's some kind of middle ground here where the console manufacturers and game producers fit in. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with being a fan of a company that provides and facilitates so much enjoyment (of course, at a cost!).

Really I just think your way of looking at things is a bit cold. Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft aren't your cable provider, aren't your water supplier, aren't your electricity company offering mundane necessities that you "USE", they're the companies that make all kinds of AWESOME that we all spend crap loads too much time enjoying the hell out of. That's the kind of business you should be allowed to really enjoy and support - just like a sports team.

So I think it's only natural to be a little more fond of them than British Telecom or Verizon.

Like everything else though, some take it too far... that's when it begins to ruin things for everyone on a site such as this.

GarrusVakarian3888d ago

@ Devwan

I reserve my passion and love for the devs and the games, not so much for the big bosses that rule them :)

A_Gamer3888d ago

I completely agree with you NYC_Gamer. By the way this is off topic but I'm from NYC also. Brooklyn to be exact.

IcicleTrepan3888d ago

I'm with you.

The self entitled sucky baby tantrums on this thread and site are just mystifying to me.

The average age of N4G users must be about 15, middle class with no worries in life other than a huge list of what they want for christmas. In that case, why worry little man, mummy and/or daddy will buy you whichever console your little heart desires so that you'll never have to ever think for yourself or worry about something more important than a video game console such as real life - you know, working for a living, paying bills... you just keep worrying about how many pixels your little game box pushes more compared to the competition and you will be a huge success in life.

jmac533888d ago

It's more like defending your purchase because that is really what defines a person, right?

MineHaxx3888d ago

You are totally right sir.Most fanboys are promoting both consoles without getting paid.
Also,Bubble Up for you. :)

jensen863887d ago

me n sony are friends untill they pull sum shit like MS

BallsEye3887d ago

Sony pulled a lot of shits, you are just too young to remember.

cvflyboy3887d ago

Exactly! Sony or Microsoft should never be defended if they ever try to screw the gamers. This is our hobbies and it should be protected at all cost from nickle and dimming policies.

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RytGear3888d ago

If its hard to defend a company then maybe they don't deserve to be defended.

guitarded773888d ago

The title made me laugh. It's so true. I see MS fans defending some of the dumbest things. We should all be critical of any company when they do something that's not in the best interest of us (the gamer, the consumer).

ThanatosDMC3888d ago

Yup, i love the comment about having options about batteries or rechargeable ones.

Neonridr3888d ago

I think we see fans of all camps defending some pretty stupid things. Sony fans made fun of Wii fans saying how gimmicky the Wiimote was, then stood hand in hand to defend the Playstation Move to their graves.

It's only natural to defend your console of choice.

Personally, I support multiple consoles that way I don't have to rely on one always making good or sound business decisions.

This isn't a business of charity people, bottom line is these companies want money.

BallsEye3888d ago

Ow shut up. It's getting old.

Hicken3887d ago

Defending Microsoft is getting old? I agree.

Kingthrash3603888d ago

they say the truth hurts........the truth is hilarious on this occasion .

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7219h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle6h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18813h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio3h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Cacabunga5h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff21834h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga3h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

purple1018h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos7h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

XBManiac7h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1016h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic4h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 15h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 13h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 10h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 3h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 5h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies1d 1h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 15h ago (Edited 1d 15h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 13h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic23h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows9022h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 15h ago (Edited 1d 15h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 14h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 14h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 11h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 13h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 12h ago (Edited 1d 12h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 13h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10112d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref12d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde12d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197212d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville12d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai12d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref12d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan12d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref12d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde12d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197212d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier11d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto12d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts12d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts11d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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