GeekParty's Jake Valentine writes an open letter to Microsoft.
Why defend any company?we need to stop acting like these companies are our friends/ we aren't getting paid by them.
It is not a matter of defending a company like a friend but defending a company based on genuinity and good business. shoving things down on your consumers is bad business, as if they are our parents and telling us what and what not to do. Making the consumer happy means more money for the company which makes them happy Microsoft's case, not so much. It started in disaster and I hope it doesn't end the same way, for the sake of competition atleast. I hate that they were full of dishonesty from the get go, and so much gimmicks to sell their over priced console. Regardless, people would buy their system because they love their exclusives, but for me, no exclusive is going to make me sell my rights for gimmicks. Even if they reversed most of the things now, its too little to late for that. I swear if Sony did the same thing, I would stick to PC gaming, and I would be more than happy with that. Thank god they didn't
so the PS3 wasn't an overpriced console?
Exactly. It's nice to be able to look back at the PS3 and see how Sony was able to turn it around. For the sake of competition, it would be nice if they could turn it around as well. Things are better when both consoles are strong.
@Neonridr It was but I bought it 2 years after it was released. Did Sony force anything on us when they released it other than the price? Did they lie to us and make 180 degree reversals after they claimed it wasn't possible when asked? there is more to say but you get my point.
@US8F Firstly, Microsoft did not lie. It was a cluster by any standard, but they didn't lie. And no they didn't force anything on you unless they at gunpoint made you buy the console that isn't even out yet. boo hoo on your little immature tears. Secondly, shouldn't you be more concerned about your government lying to you and forcing things upon you (for real) than a video game company? Give me a damned break. You act like Microsoft shredded your favourite stuffed animal.
@US8F They kinda forced Sixasis a bit (Lair) before they released DualShock 3.
@Neonridr How was it overpriced when it had Blu-Ray? Not to mention HDMI and wi-fi, OUT of the box. The PS3 was supposedly worth something like a thousand dollars and Sony were losing tons of money on each system. "in before: not my problem"
@US8F...some would argue that bluray was forced because the quality of the games at the time were no better than DVD quality. sony was even questioned if they could have released a PS3 without the BD drive and while it would have been possible, they were more interested in pushing forward the acceptance of the format than actually making use of its space. the usefulness of the capacity came in time but until a game like MGS4, the capacity was not used to the benefit of the format. it was for movies which was the driving idea from the beginning. So Im glad sony stuck to their idea of keeping bluray just as i am glad Ms will stick to their idea of including a kinect with every xb1. the appeal of what they offer is not something that is universal (not everyone will like it) but you have to give them credit for believing strongly in their product to keep it relevant. And I would not go so far as to say "defending a company" more like just educating those with closed minds that its okay to be receptive to something different. you never know if you will like something if you arent open to trying it out for yourself.
I am glad Sony turned it around, but companies do make mistakes, errors and so on, and I know MS screwed things up, but to be honest, it has been merciless and extremely personal for some people here, while pretending Sony never made mistakes and that they are the Messiah... have your gripe against MS, no problem, but get over it... to come on every article, and see the same whining, even when its a good article/news or whatever... its pointless at this stage.... I do not know about others, but I am sick of seeing people here, complaining, attaching a bunch of links, and never actually articulating something by them self, enough is enough, please...
@darthv72 Forced? Perhaps, but it was an absolutely brilliant move by Sony. Microsoft could have easily supported HD-DVD natively, but their decision not to may have cost the format. Sony could boast the fact that every PS3 owner was also a Blu-ray owner, helping the format's sales. It's the same gambit Microsoft is trying with Kinect: every Xbox One owner is also a Kinect owner.
@IcicleTrepan So when they microsoft said "We cant change the Xbox One's policies with a flip of a switch," and then completely reverse them 3 days later that wasn't lying? About forcing things on to you, he's refering to if you bought the console, they tried to force DRM and a nearly constant connection to the internet. About government, how do you know what country he is from? His government could be fine. Not to mention that Microsoft has ties to the NSA, and was, without a doubt, going to use the kinect to spy on its users.
Agreed, if these was a car company, fast food company, wachine machine company there would not be so many fanboys making excuses.
Yea they did.. Remember back when ps3 would run Linux? How quickly did they own up to the hack? Keep acting like Sony has a perfect track record if you want.. Doesn't make it true And its not a lie.. They are essentially rewriting all software to make it happen.. Its not a flip of a switch no matter how easy it is to say so
@us8f - yes they lied. They took away Linux, they took away backwards compatibility and they flip flopped on rumble support. Just sayin...
@tordavis They took away all these features so that they can reduce price and to improve security.
Sony forced bluray on us as much as microsoft forced dvd on us like how sony forced cd on us like how nintendo forced the wii-mote on us.... etc etc. Than kratos, master chief, mario was shoved down our throats .... etc *grumbling /s
If anything, you should USE a company, get what you want from them (in this case games) and leave it at that, they get your money, you get your games, everyones happy. Of course there's always going to be a certain amount of respect or admiration for a company that suits your needs, but people need to stop acting like they are married to these companies.
I see what you're saying but can't fully agree with it. For me and many console gamers it's not a matter of taking what you want and that's the deal done, kthxbai... reason being it's not just like using a utility company that provides a generic faceless service for the mundane day-to-day stuff. To me it's somewhere closer to being a fan of a football team. YNWA96 posted above you, he's a ms fan (I believe) and clearly a Liverpool fan. I'm sure he's much more passionate about the mighty reds than he is about the company who made his games console, but I'd bet he doesn't think of buying games and paying for live from Microsoft the same way he does paying council tax or British Gas for their services. There's some kind of middle ground here where the console manufacturers and game producers fit in. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with being a fan of a company that provides and facilitates so much enjoyment (of course, at a cost!). Really I just think your way of looking at things is a bit cold. Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft aren't your cable provider, aren't your water supplier, aren't your electricity company offering mundane necessities that you "USE", they're the companies that make all kinds of AWESOME that we all spend crap loads too much time enjoying the hell out of. That's the kind of business you should be allowed to really enjoy and support - just like a sports team. So I think it's only natural to be a little more fond of them than British Telecom or Verizon. Like everything else though, some take it too far... that's when it begins to ruin things for everyone on a site such as this.
@ Devwan I reserve my passion and love for the devs and the games, not so much for the big bosses that rule them :)
I completely agree with you NYC_Gamer. By the way this is off topic but I'm from NYC also. Brooklyn to be exact.
I'm with you. The self entitled sucky baby tantrums on this thread and site are just mystifying to me. The average age of N4G users must be about 15, middle class with no worries in life other than a huge list of what they want for christmas. In that case, why worry little man, mummy and/or daddy will buy you whichever console your little heart desires so that you'll never have to ever think for yourself or worry about something more important than a video game console such as real life - you know, working for a living, paying bills... you just keep worrying about how many pixels your little game box pushes more compared to the competition and you will be a huge success in life.
It's more like defending your purchase because that is really what defines a person, right?
You are totally right sir.Most fanboys are promoting both consoles without getting paid. Also,Bubble Up for you. :)
me n sony are friends untill they pull sum shit like MS
Sony pulled a lot of shits, you are just too young to remember.
Exactly! Sony or Microsoft should never be defended if they ever try to screw the gamers. This is our hobbies and it should be protected at all cost from nickle and dimming policies.
If its hard to defend a company then maybe they don't deserve to be defended.
The title made me laugh. It's so true. I see MS fans defending some of the dumbest things. We should all be critical of any company when they do something that's not in the best interest of us (the gamer, the consumer).
Yup, i love the comment about having options about batteries or rechargeable ones.
I think we see fans of all camps defending some pretty stupid things. Sony fans made fun of Wii fans saying how gimmicky the Wiimote was, then stood hand in hand to defend the Playstation Move to their graves. It's only natural to defend your console of choice. Personally, I support multiple consoles that way I don't have to rely on one always making good or sound business decisions. This isn't a business of charity people, bottom line is these companies want money.
Ow shut up. It's getting old.
Defending Microsoft is getting old? I agree.
they say the truth hurts........the truth is hilarious on this occasion .
People should be more concerned with defending their consumer rights instead!
Hey... Three months ago called...
come back to playstation all you system hoppers quit defending M$
how about people just buy what they want to buy.
yeah because M$ is all about that. just impusle buying, that's why 360 was rushed...so they could take all those early next gen adopters despite having multiple defects for most of it's life.
No, Microsoft, don't listen. It's so fun to watch.
Don't defend them then. Simple as that.
Another worthless article.
Are we defending our original console makers? That's kind of hard seeing as Atari is long gone.
It doesn't matter what system you're getting this gen, just don't try to defend it when you get screwed out of something promised. We are consumers, and defending a bad product, or business model only hurts us, the consumers.
Whats the problem with it now? Its priced higher that's the only bad thing I can think of.
All the disagrees and no answer to your question.
Exactly, its obvious there's nothing wrong with it since no fanboy can tell me. All they do is hit and run with disagrees. Since I got no response I won this debate and there's nothing wrong with besides the price.
Lol that title
Defend against who? There's no point in trying to convince anyone to want an Xbox One. If they don't want it, then they don't want it, move on, be happy in the choice that you have and will make. Arguing with someone who doesn't want it or is clearly biased is like driving into a brick wall drunk while texting, senseless. People will argue points until they're blue in the face on why they don't want an Xbox One. We'll get RAM, NSA, hUMA, Kinect, FCC reports, anything and everything no matter how small or pointless will be brought up. I say just leave those people alone. You want a PS4, get a PS4, you wan a Xbox One, get a Xbox One...you want a WiiU...you get my point. Xbox One for me, incase anyone wants to ask.
You know, defending MS its like defending a criminel, but some criminel have remords after having commited their crime. MS looks like it deos not have, so let them defend themselfs, let them think that people are insanely stupid, that they can be easely driven by their propaganda and that they are juste bots to be fucked from behind. We will see if they say the same thing when we would burn them alive in their locals
if they're criminals, then sue them. otherwise shut up with your nonsense.
The thing is, people in general ARE insanely stupid. I see stupid people every day though I know there has to be smart people out there somewhere.
I'm talking about Microsoft known as far as THE company being totally digraceful with consumers, treating them as they were literally cows to be milked in their eyes. no, seriously, as far as they've done now, some people are STILL defending them ? and dont talk about people in general: yeah sure some of them are just ... stupid, and Microsoft seems to appreciate this particularly well.
In my experience people that go around vomiting rhetoric like "stupid people" and "sheeple" are often not very bright.
If you've actually got time to evangelize on your favourite console, you've already wasted too much time that you could have been enjoying video games or doing something else. I don't understand the mob mentality with this crap. I'll be enjoying all three next gen consoles (already got the Wii U) and each one has its pros and cons. The fact that anyone feels that they must force their opinion down someone else's throat smacks of cult mentality. I imagine these people would be shoving bibles down your throat 20 years ago because their chosen god is better. It's all nonsense. Just let people do what they want to do and let them be happy. Nobody wants to fight over stupid crap like this. Wow, you prefer Ford and I prefer Hyundai, so freakin what. they both get you to work safely.
Haha and yet look at the battles people rage over cars ... Ford sucks, chevy sucks, etc ...it is pretty funny ... Phones too . Iphone vs android
It's a part of human nature, something that's existed for as long as we've paid attention to such things, and even before that. We support the things we like, fervently. And if there's a group that supports something that rivals that thing we like, there's conflict. For some odd reason, though, it's only bad if it's video games. Everything else is cool, but you can't be a dedicated fan of anything in gaming.
People should've stopped defending ms long time ago to begin with; the only people that defend them nowadays are morons.
Why defend those who deserve to be punished? I mean sure Microsoft did a ton of 180s to please consumers but the market has to punish severely so they dont try and pull off their anti consumer policies ever again. And after insulting people who work on submarines (Mattricks buy a 360 comment) that was taking it to far since i have a cousin who is in the navy and works in extremely harsh conditions in a nuclear sub.
A company who tried to put restrictions on gaming shouldn't be defended in the first place. But what hit's me is the people that defended MS when the DRM practices were still in play and some of them still defend it, saying it's the future. When EA did online passes, no one said it was the future. The only reason they reversed is because of the pre-orders and you know that's true when months before the XB1 reveal people were bitching and complaining about.
everyone bashing on microsoft is kinda funny as though sony has never done anything bad what about when PSN got hacked but I guess thats ok no biggie there right?
Yeah, but PSN didn't get hacked as much as Xbox Live does on a day to day basis or are you too blind to realize that? Xbox Live has had way more hacking done to it than PSN ever has. It was a big deal on PSN because it was the first time that has happened to PS3, since it's security was pretty much unhackable unlike Xbox 360. With 360, I knew people who hacked other people's shit and they could just get all their games for free and what ever else they wanted to. Why do you think Xbox 360 is easier to hack than PS3? Because it's security is autistic, just like the people who buy it.
I laughed SO hard at the title! Poor MS is sucking hard right now
For those who actually read the article - No mention of Kinect 180? No mention of FIFA 14 180? No mention of "DA Unlimited Phowa of Da KLAUD"? No mention of launch market 180?
Typical front page n4g story.
Don't defend it at all simple buy play and smile.
Jake Valentine needs to grow up.
found a perfect graph of xbox one damage
Dear god, that looks like Hiroshima and Syria X1000.