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Xbox One Cloud Infographic Released: "Power That Grows With You", Trailer Also Out

Microsoft has just shared a new infographic related to Xbox One. This time around we get to hear more about Xbox One Cloud feature (one of the most talked about feature).

In addition to this Microsoft has released a new trailer related to Xbox One Cloud Feature titled "Xbox One - Cloud Powered Gaming Trailer". Take a look at it below the infographic

Midgus3894d ago (Edited 3894d ago )

so what happens when your not connected to the internet, my game doesnt look like it should or perform? lol

XB1_PS43894d ago (Edited 3894d ago )

They're talking more about how AI learns through the cloud, not about graphics.

Midgus3894d ago

ok so the only reason microsoft is shagging this off is for AI purposes. good lord not got much to go on since E3 then.

shoddy3894d ago (Edited 3894d ago )

If you want to beat the games easily with retarded AI, just disconnect from the Internet

Highlife3894d ago

@shoddy
So are you saying that all previous Forza games AI have been retarted?

nukeitall3894d ago

@Highlife

No Shoddy is saying *all* AI has been retarded so far.

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malokevi3894d ago

wow.... that footage is so awesome. lol.

I need this game.

cleft53894d ago (Edited 3894d ago )

The whole "Power of the Cloud" thing is so funny. It's sad that this is what they are using as one of their selling point for the Xbox One. Particularly, when their direct competitor has their own Cloud based solution.

Why not spend more time talking about the great games coming to the Xbox One like Project Spark or hype the hell out of Remedy's upcoming game Quantum Break. Or talk more about D4, you know anything other than this reliance upon Cloud computing.

Microsoft has so many good things coming to the Xbox One, I just don't get the reliance upon these marketing gimmicks that anyone in the know sees right through.

NextGen24Gamer3894d ago

Marketing gimmick? Did you not watch the video. Next gen Xbox One games are using the cloud at launch. Anytime you offset cpu calculations to the cloud, you free up the local hardware. That's a good thing no matter how you cut it.

Just because you aren't interested in the tech, doesn't mean it's a gimmick. I actually think it's awesome and it will get better as internet speeds increase.

Blachek3894d ago

Elite, he isn't knocking the cloud one way or the other. Cleft is talking about a selling point. The buying decision should be fueled by the value you get from the console, value resulting from post-purchase games.

In terms of games, he is saying that he believes the launch lineup for XB1 is better than the PS4's. If Microsoft redirects attention to games, they have a better shot at moving units.

From a logical standpoint we can clearly see that there is more horsepower in terms of components, locally, in the PS4 than the XB1. How they work together remains to be seen. Architecture plays as important a role in benchmarking as does physical components.

Microsoft needs to change focus from raw power to games. Where they stand a much better chance to sell the brand, console, and their future.

Again, Cleft did not discredit Cloud computing... he identifies where the XB1 strength is currently and is saying that the strength should be highlighted.

slimeybrainboy3894d ago

Exactly, this was such forced PR BS. The footage of Forza is 10x more interesting than old features repackaged in PR slime.

I can't believe how they aren't just saying look at Quantum Break bitches. Forza is probably the best looking and biggest franchise on the next generation consoles. but I've heard more about drivatar than any actual real revelations about the game. Racing games are made to be online, if they can improve the offline AI that's great but you're still going to play online.

Highlife3894d ago

The whole cloud thing is not as great as ms says it is nor is it as bad as ps fans say it is. Basically the cloud can't hurt.

Anzil3894d ago

Its been done in other games as well but on the system itself this is nothing new and now its just calculating data in the cloud and relaying it back to the system so ya it frees up .01% of the Ones potential so it will still never be close to playstation 4 power. and these calcs aren't in real time so the one will never ever ever become significantly more powerful. Its a PR stunt and its failing. Bring on the disagrees! I live to see proof that idiots exist lol! PS:PS4 haha cab do it as well!

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Izzy4083894d ago (Edited 3894d ago )

I don't understand why some people (PS fanboys)don't want the cloud to work. Are you really that insecure about the PS4? This should be good news for all console players. Azure can be used for multiple purposes.

For example: Forza devs are using it to create a more human AI, Titanfall devs are using for better multiplayer experience, and COD devs are only using it for dedicated servers. So until developer need to use cloud computing for better lighting and physics, they're only going to use it for small things.

NextGen24Gamer3894d ago

well said. But those "Small" things take the load off of the local hardware, which is the point. If you free up the local hardware, you in return make the hardware more efficient and better for games. As the years go on, they will offload more and more data as internet speeds increase and they figure out how maximize the cloud.

FITgamer3894d ago

I don't think people don't want it to work, they just bash it because of the way MS presented it. I mean saying it will make the XB1 3x more powerful is pretty ridiculous.

JackOfAllBlades3894d ago

Ppoooowwwaaahh ovv duuhhh cclllooouuuddddzzz!

AngelicIceDiamond3894d ago

Lol But if Sony was doing this and MS wasn't, it would be just as big as the man on the moon for the first time right?

and Sony's infinite innovation.

I Give credit to ANYONE who goes out of there way to think of ways to make games even better.

Some of you all can have fun saying "Its fake" "PR nonsense."

Your only wasting your own time.

Three major games take advantage of this so far COD, Titanfall and Forza and apparently Insomniacs Sunset overdrive is using it.

PFFT3894d ago

Sony fanboys, they dont like their system. They just hate yours.

Midgus3894d ago

@Shoddy i shouldnt need a connection to the internet to have decent AI, i thought that's what difficulty settings was for. shouldnt need a cloud to help me "create" a hard mode.

Kryptix3894d ago

You're right, the cloud isn't needed to create a higher difficulty, but it's used to create realistic A.I. using everyone's gameplay. Basically takes the average IQ and puts it into one, which might backfire if George Bush buys an Xbox One. lol

Honestly, the cloud was never interesting and needed for A.I.. Take Houdini, the smartest chess A.I. ever created. Does it need the power of the cloud to make perfect moves? No, and up till now, we never needed the cloud to make realistic A.I. because programmers have learned how to differentiate complex algorithms to three types of difficulty settings, Easy, Normal, and Hard. And though some games don't have difficulty settings, Max Payne 1 and 2 had it so A.I. difficulty changes depending how good you were as you played the single player.

Not only that but online play exists, which covers the, "creating realistic A.I." aspect of the cloud. The cloud is also there to make A.I. calculations quicker, but that can be done within the system though it takes away some processing power used for everything else.

And before anyone says, "you wouldn't be saying that if the PS4 had the cloud." Well, 21 years as a gamer and I never needed the cloud. I really wouldn't care and don't need it like everyone else. If I wanted to go against very tactical enemies, I'll just play Battlefield, the Division, or Destiny online in the future.

BallsEye3894d ago

It will probably be used for MMO's always online games etc. Imagine a big world MMO where is living all the time. All the illumination is computed in cloud just like http://www.youtube.com/watc...
here in nvidia cloud computing demo. You can't play mmo without internet anyway so I don't see what's the problem here.

Mounce3894d ago

Blast Processing, BLAST UNLEASHED.

Blast processor supremacy.

Only on SSSSSSSSSEGA!

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Anyone notice the difference? Blast/X1-Cloud?

BlueBlood173894d ago (Edited 3894d ago )

CLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUD POWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Microsoft's head is in the clouds.

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iamnsuperman3894d ago (Edited 3894d ago )

Essentially you send of data to a big server to be analysed and then you download AI that is appropriate or someone plays against how you play. Worrying but at the same time a good thing. Just get rid of the PR Drivatar name

GarrusVakarian3894d ago (Edited 3894d ago )

"Power that grows with you"

I hate corporate slogans.

So what happens if you don't have internet access?

MS shouldn't say things like that, people are so gullible and genuinely believe that cloud computing is some sort of magical graphical force.

sobotz3894d ago

If you don't have internet access, you will be playing Forza with normal AI's like any other games. You don't have to always use it anyway

Johnsonparts233894d ago

thats not the point. Microsoft makes it out to be this amazing tech that improves graphics and gameplay from the cloud, and it's bs. Handling a.i. is very different from handling things that only local hardware can. It's a joke that people take this seriously.

sobotz3894d ago

I'm not saying it can improve the game's graphics or performances.

So far, they only showed us the games that using dedicated servers and human AI. Just only for that, I think it's very possible to be implemented, it is just a small tweak anyway.

Capital Dream3894d ago

As normal if you don't have internet you just don't get the benefits,duh!

jackanderson19853894d ago

dan greenawalt always looks so pissed off

jackanderson19853894d ago

haha yeah they could pull off the auld switcheroo

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-Foxtrot3894d ago (Edited 3894d ago )

"Power That Grows With You"

Hmmmm....sounds like a slogan for Viagra

-Foxtrot3894d ago

Well if it works like it's supposed to then yeah....you will see it

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 5h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 3h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN17h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo19h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies15h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 5h ago (Edited 1d 5h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 3h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic13h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows9012h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 5h ago (Edited 1d 5h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 4h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 4h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 1h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 3h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 2h ago (Edited 1d 2h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 3h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10112d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref11d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde11d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197211d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville11d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai12d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref11d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan11d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00710d ago (Edited 10d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref11d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde11d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197211d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier11d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto11d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman11d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts11d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts10d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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Could Xbox Soon Become The Next Dreamcast?

Microsoft's future in the video game space is murky right now, so let's break it all down.

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ApocalypseShadow24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

Not anytime soon. But they're on that path.

One thing not mentioned in the article is Microsoft's money bags. If Sega had Microsoft's money, they would have still been around as a hardware manufacturer. Xbox as a platform only survives because of the money bags. They can continue making consoles for the core and port to PC.

The multiplatform strategy is only the result of arrogance and misguided leadership that blew up in their face. They thought gamers would jump on Xbox in droves if they knew that many of their favorite games would be only on Xbox. But that's not happening at all. Sales didn't increase. They decreased. Why? Because the dumb asses thought giving away these expensively made games in a cheap service would also turn the tide.

Gamers on other platforms are willing to buy quality. They don't need to be handed nearly free games in a service that aren't even finished and sometimes average in their development. Gamers buy Nintendo games. They buy Sony games. Microsoft groomed their base to not buy games. Even the quality ones. It has always been their plan to go digital. But most gamers still like single player gaming. Still like physical releases.

Microsoft's problem has always been that they don't produce high quality games at the same output as Nintendo and Sony. Actually, they should be producing quite a lot more because they're worth over 2 TRILLION. How they don't have more is ridiculous and no excuse. Buying publishers to take away from competition only backfired. Because it still takes millions of dollars to continue to make those games from the publishers they snatched. Their only choice was to crawl back to their competitors to help sustain those developers because Nintendo and Sony platforms were the ones buying games.

Am I sorry for Microsoft? Hell no! They deserved last place for putting in the least effort. They deserved the fallout for buying up the industry and didn't make a single blip on the radar against their competitors where they now need those same gamers they took away games from to support them. Part of it may have been to cash in on their competition. But the result is the slow death of their platform. They may go 3rd party. They may keep making hardware. I don't give a shit about them to worry about it. I only give a shit about the destructive nature of their industry moves that only negatively affect gamers. They could sell and drop out of the industry and I wouldn't blink. Probably laugh. But not blink. They deserve whatever comes to them. At least Sega put in the effort when it came to games. They just had poor leadership. Microsoft has poor leadership and barely makes memorable games. That's a killer combination. And not in a good way.

Cacabunga24d ago

That would be an insult to Dreamcast.. it had a crazy line up of legendary critically acclaimed games.

Crows9024d ago

I was thinking the same. Dreamcast had incredible games in such a short amount of time. It was truly exceptional.

darthv7223d ago

...and yet all those great games were not enough to sway people from the looming release of the PS2 at the time. Sony just has that kind of brand loyalty.

Cacabunga23d ago

Darth

I do not agree.. Sony had even better games thanks to an unprecedented 3rd party support..
DC had amazing lineup but 90% were arcade games..

88323d ago

@darth:
And Sony showed off "The Emotion Engine" and their real time demos that made everyone think they would miss out on REAL next gen 128bit magic if they jumped in before PS2s polygon pushing monster (and early lack of anti-aliasing with a healthy heap of shimmer + DVD playback) stepped up. PS2 was a fantastic system though with amazing games.

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blacktiger24d ago

That's not true. Just because Microsoft has the money doesn't mean Microsoft can allow xbox to bleed entire Microsoft money. It doesn't work like they. Also SEC will be watching and investor won't allow it. Lot of reasons why Microsoft can not continue even if they wanted to. SEC regulations is expensive.

fr0sty24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

Exactly this... Microsoft is a publicly traded company, mostly owned by their shareholders (Approximately 59.24% of the company's stock is owned by Institutional Investors, 7.73% is owned by Insiders and 33.03% is owned by Public Companies and Individual Investors.). Their shareholders call the shots on the business decisions, and their shareholders want one thing and one thing only, for their stock price to go up. Losses do not make stock prices go up... so if the division continually posts losses on hardware, but shows profits on software and services (which has been the case with Xbox its entire lifespan, for over 20 years now), the shareholders are going to grow impatient and demand they stop making hardware and focus on the only thing that has ever made them money, software and services.

When Microsoft bought Blizzard and Activision for almost 100 billion, I knew that was the nail in the coffin for Xbox as a console... as the shareholders were going to expect a quick return on that investment, and when it didn't materialize, they were going to be out for blood... out to force Xbox to sell those games on as many consoles as possible, "and while you're at it, sell those first party exclusives that aren't selling well on other consoles as well... hell, just stop making consoles and sell games."

If there is another Xbox console generation, it will definitely be the last, but I doubt there even will be one at this point. I think the Xbox division planning on it just in case, but I don't think the project has been greenlit from Microsoft itself. The rumors that they have not yet even secured the chips needed from the chip fabrication facilities ties into this.

shinoff218324d ago

While I usually agree with you . Alot of what was said can just also be asked before any of that.

How long will the shareholders wait? It doesn't appear long at all

Babadook723d ago

I think I get your point. Like just because MS has money does not mean they are content to throw it away on a dying ecosystem. Xbox has to be profitable or “what’s the point?”

ifinitygamer23d ago

Money bags, yes, but are we ignoring that Xbox actually makes a profit on games and GamePass? Hardware is often a loss leader, and they're probably making profit 4 years into the life cycle, but games and services revenue have been very profitable while other parts of Microsoft's business is struggling. Say what you will about the quality of those games, of course, but this is kind of a reverse Dreamcast situation, where the console was dragging down the company and put it at risk of shuttering entirely. Killing that console saved the business and allowed it to continue to make games on multiple platforms. In this case, the service is very profitable, as are the games, and they're also double-dipping into Multiplatform to extend this further, while their hardware is just sort of what they believe to be the best for gamers and their own titles (whether that is the case or not...)

fr0sty23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

The issue is, they aren't selling enough hardware to make their exclusives profitable, and now that they've bought half the gaming publisher/dev industry, they have no choice but to go third party to make a profit... and that is making their shareholders take a real close look at their hardware division under the microscope... why keep making the hardware if the software is all that is making them money, and they continually, generation after generation come in dead last with hardware sales?

Look at a game like Spiderman 2... if it had been an Xbox exclusive, with the amount it cost to develop, it would have been a huge failure... simply not enough consoles out there to sell it on. They would have been lucky to break even.

ifinitygamer23d ago

@fr0sty agreed completely, which is why they're hedging by releasing other games to multiplatform, plus they have PC to make up for the difference in a lot of ways, which is why their games are not complete money pits. It brings up the question of whether or not those exclusives would drive sales of consoles, though. Let's say Spiderman 2 was an Xbox exclusive, it would certainly have pushed console sales, though who's to say how much is anyone's guess.

fr0sty23d ago

That's why you can't rely on just one exclusive, Sony has always delivered on a wide range of solid exclusives, even this generation (even if they haven't been strong on the first party exclusives, they've made up for it with third party). They don't rely on just one "system seller", they have a portfolio of them.

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JBlaze22623d ago

ApocalypseShadow To be honest Sony has more of a chance to go 3rd party because like you said Microsoft has money, Sony does not. Sony does not have games, Only games they have come from 3rd party. Sony has been losing money for years and you. Saying Microsoft has been putting the least effort just proves you have no idea what's been going on. All Sony has done is repeat and recycle, never innovating or doing something new. All Sony has is brand loyalty nothing else and it shows.

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LG_Fox_Brazil24d ago

Not sure about that. It's been two decades and I still think about Power Stone, Shenmue, Crazy Taxi, Jet Set Radio, Seaman and others, but I'm not sure I'll remember Xbox Series X/S games in a few years from now... Maybe I'll remember about the franchises that the Xbox brand spawned, but I don't believe that the Xbox Series lives up to the late Dreamcast or even to the Xbox name itself. I do have great memories about the 360 with Blue Dragon, Gears 2 and Lost Odyssey though

isarai24d ago

Nah, sega actually makes good games

Becuzisaid24d ago

No, Dreamcast was ahead of it's time and most still have very fond memories of it that had one. It also had some good games on it even in it's short lifespan. Xbox has none of these qualities.

Profchaos24d ago

I remember it coming out at the time in a really bad place they hit the market before the PS2 but it was during this transitional time when Sony was promoting the power of the PS2 and so many of the Dreamcast games were awesome but often third parties simply ported the PS1 version increased resolution and performance but rarely fully utilise the capabilities of the console.

I think in the end bad marketing done it in and like the GameCube so many people are fond of it now but at the time it was looked at in the lense of the day and it didn't stack up.

Personally I miss Sega in hardware they took risks that many companies won't

Becuzisaid24d ago

I never owned it, and got the PS2 right when it launched. But there were certain games it had that I was always jealous of that I didn't have access to - Sonic adventure, crazy taxi, power Stone, code Veronica, shenmue, skies of Arcadia. I always thought it was a really cool machine though. I've never heard a bad thing about it though from those that had it.

FinalFantasyFanatic23d ago

I only ever saw one Dreamcast, and that was one my friend owned, pity I never got to play it, I wonder what games he had for it?

It would be nice if some of those games got ported to modern systems.

Profchaos24d ago

Oh man sonic adventure on the Dreamcast made me so jealous as a huge sonic fan on the mega drive who also moved to PlayStation 2 I never got the chance to play it back in the day either. The Dreamcast in Australia where I am was always relegated to the smallest corner of EB Games it was kind of a strong first indicator that things were not going well at the time.

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