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Will the NSA use the Xbox One to spy on your family?

Not unlike Kinect, Skype had assured its users that "wiretaps were technically impossible" the company told CNET in 2008. And four years later, when hackers accused Skype owner Microsoft of changing the service's backend to facilitate government eavesdropping, the company categorically denied the accusations. Now, it seems like the company could have been lying, or at least had quietly changed its mind. Mind you, Microsoft is also denying last Thursday's Guardian report, but the denial is a lot less clear-cut. The company disavows having providing "blanket or direct access" to Skype, but doesn't deny that it provides Skype video or audio to the government upon request.

So even if we(consumers) take Microsoft's word that the Kinect doesn't currently upload private conversations to remote servers, can anyone trust that Microsoft won't change that in a future software update?

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pwnsause_returns3937d ago

well, they're part of prism...so yea....

ala_7673936d ago

Hell yeah They will spy on us! Thanks to the Patriot Act!

Roper3163936d ago

not me because the XB1 is not allowed in my house.

Colzer013936d ago

if they want to watch me jerk off, have at it

zebramocha3936d ago

You know they did it so they could "jump in".

Cueil3936d ago

poor @Roper316 why would they use your Xbox One when they can just use your cell phone

mewhy323936d ago

I've been saying this over and over in here. I will not be having a spy camera in my living room.

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Kanzes3936d ago

The fact is, The same moment the Verge has a story about whether Kinect will be used to spy, the Microsoft section reports about how Microsoft is urging the Attorney General to uphold the constitution regarding privacy.

Meaning, Microsoft isn't willingly handing the NSA access to its servers, but rather under political duress.

To see them making public statements like this shows they're incredibly pissed at the PR damage its causing them and that they're not colluding in some kinda New World Order conspiracy scenario.

http://www.theverge.com/201...

jmc88883936d ago

But they STILL are making Kinect2 mandatory.

You'd think since they KNOW this is happening, they'd take that mandatory requirement and throw it out the window.

They are telling US they aren't willing, but by virtue of their actions with Kinect, they very much ARE willing.

Otherwise they wouldn't put themselves in such a position.

Think about it.

JokesOnYou3936d ago (Edited 3936d ago )

Kanzes actually awhile back micro was fighting against the govt opposing countless requests for info about its customers long before X1 or ps4 were even thought of.

This site that tracks online companies who fight for you shows a break down and dhows micro is one of the better companies who fight for privacy rights:
https://www.eff.org/who-has...

Also again the govt doesn't pay for info, they request it or supeona it so whats in it for micro to give the govt video or taped conversations of everyday citizens, while you're at it can you imagine the wasted resources for eavesdropping/spying? lol, I've never heard a rational response to all this. If you guys are truly worried you should stay off the internet, never use Google, Yahoo, Amazon, Facebook, Twitter or download or send a email again.
http://www.zdnet.com/fbi-sa...
http://m.huffpost.com/us/en...

-lol, The in a digital age the govt has access to anything with servers. For those so scared why do they never complain about the thousands of other ways the govt can spy on you...fortunately the truth is nobody gives a damm about you and me yhe avg joe, hell they aren't even concerned with petty crimes like drugs, they are looking for National Security threats...lol hurry up get off the internet all you secret agents.

Ray1863936d ago

They get no props at all. Twitter outright refused when they were served, and guess what nothing happened. Which I surmise was due to the fact that Twitter would have been screaming to anyone who would listen all the way to the courthouse about what was going on.

georgeenoob3936d ago

Simple question: Why would they do that? Are they trying to find families in trailers manufacturing meth?

FITgamer3936d ago

So only trailer trash play xbox?

Kanzes3936d ago (Edited 3936d ago )

Because MS reaally loves to see a bunch out-of-shape boys wearing only boxer on a dark room /s

JunioRS1013936d ago

Any person naive enough to say "no they won't spy on me that's just blown out of proportion" doesn't deserve freedom or privacy.

Cueil3936d ago

the government doesn't give a rats behind about you or 99.99 percent of the people on this site... and if they asked for user info from N4G... guess what N4G would give it to them

JunioRS1013936d ago

No shit @ Cueil

I'm saying it's naive to trust primarily the NSA not so much Microsoft because I know they're just being compliant to the Gov's demands, but the NSA is still completely wrong for what they're doing.

"Oh but we need to sacrifice privacy for security" right?

Wrong.

The reason we have enemies is because we earned our enemies through shady business and war-like culture. It is the Gov's fault that we should feel threatened by anyone in the first place. The constitution was set up not only to keep Americans safe but also to mind our own business and focus on leading by example not by leading through force.

thekhurg3936d ago

Not my family since I won't be buying one.

LackTrue4K3936d ago (Edited 3936d ago )

Microsoft already said that its gana hit you with ads that reflex on your search/purchases/Bling. yes there watching to some extent.

And when ever FBI needs to find someone, it wont hurt them give a name to XboxLive's serves, and let them search accounts. if similar names pop up, they will then surveillance after....not before.

yeahokchief3936d ago (Edited 3936d ago )

it is true. they will.

human beings are the worst. greedy, manipulative, self centered.

they'll use it against you in one way or another.

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Nicholasgliss3937d ago

I'm be fresh as hell if da Feds watchin. But they won't see me through a bone. X that is.

Starbucks_Fan3936d ago

Drop top, head bobbing

I feel embarrassed I know this song -_-

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jc485733936d ago

most likely yea. They want to know if you go crazy if you play too much shooters.

Nexus383936d ago

yea sure im sure they have enough employees to sit around and watch millions of people all day everyday play video games.. Christ is our society really this gullible

Roper3163936d ago

it's not that they will sit there all day watching you but if they ever decide to look into you MS will have a nice big data file on you readily available for them.

Nexus383936d ago

a data file ? what does that even mean.. microsoft will have huge files on every person who ever bought an xbox one, what would microsoft have on those files the persons gamerscore? also if the nsa decides to look into you im pretty sure your doing illegal activity's anyway

Foxgod3936d ago

Do you know how much it costs to host a big datafile for everybody?

It already costs 10ns of millions to just hold on to all that email.
It would cost billions to host everybody's videofeed, and even hundreds of millions if you only store snapshots and audio samples.

Do you really think they will waste all that money, if all they have to do by law, is save emails?

Kanzes3936d ago (Edited 3936d ago )

What have you done to make them watch you? You sounds like an escaped convict.

On different perspective, A Laptop got a mandatory camera too. But it seems people didn't care about it. This Kinect spy thing are just some story that haters created to bash the company even more.

dc13936d ago

It's all about (in simple terms) trigger based outputs. Primarily this is driven through software that monitors sound inputs.
I won't explain further. ..because you guys should be sound and upstanding in all your activities. But if you're not, then the big K is listening. ..and watching.

Cueil3936d ago

if you're cooking up crap to be the next boston bomber they may have issue with you... but if you're just banging your chick they could care less

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Rai3936d ago (Edited 3936d ago )

your pretty gullible yourself if you think people actually sit and watch people..

They use the devices to record and send information.

Nexus383936d ago

jesus... do you honestly think they have the time, people and resources to record everyone playing?70% of those recordings will be 12 year olds harassing people. the fact is if they decide to look into what your doing, your most likely already doing something illegal.

Colzer013936d ago

Only a criminals and terrorists who will have a though at this. Or..... a fanboys

DiRtY3936d ago

"As far as Kinect watching you, yes- you uncovered our master plan to watch overweight twenty-somethings play Skyrim for 8 hours straight."

http://www.dorkly.com/artic...

Colzer013936d ago (Edited 3936d ago )

MS loves 12-year old boys to swearing on Kinect

jmc88883936d ago (Edited 3936d ago )

Actually your position is gullible.

It doesn't work like that. DO you visit every website to find one, or do you use a search function like google?

They literally have their own google. After all google was originally the NSA voice to text program, then applied to websites.

I'm sorry, but YOU ARE THE GULLIBLE one.

Oh and yes, webcams are used to spy on people, even kids in umcompromising positions.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/w...

Oh and they are doing this to everyone, regardless of whether they are a criminal.

But if you want to know our gov't track record with people they actually suspect is a criminal...Here.

http://www.zerohedge.com/ne...

So even when they try the more traditional way of spying, and actually try to go through actual legal channels, they still are mostly wrong and are spying on innocent people.

Now what do you think the percentage is when they are literally trying to record everything and have big data centers built?

Hell through their contract with just ONE private party, Narus, they have the capability to record 100 gb/s at 18 different spots in the U.S.

The costs and logistics are not an issue. If Microsoft doesn't want to be FORCED to be a part of it, don't make such unnecessary requirements....necessary to use the console.

How hard is it for people to understand that. If you are designing something new, and you know the gov't will force you turn over your customers data you have two choices.

1. Alter your plans so they aren't compromised (which would be say...allowing Kinect to be unplugged)

2. Use the bully pulpit and make a big fuss and never stop doing so.

So many arguments on this thread where people have their heads in the sand or look to blame someone else. When your data through Microsoft is compromised, it is the fault of BOTH Microsoft AND the gov't.

Again targeting ads = spying on you...because by what metric are they targeting those ads?

So Microsoft wants to spy on you, and is building a camera that allows the gov't to force them to give them that information. Corporations want that data, gov'ts want that data. But the camera isn't just a camera, it's not just audio or video. That's like 5 percent of what they capture. It's a super camera, so it's far beyond any other spy camera out there.

Meanwhile all this time, they have been lying through their teeth. Again, MS through ALL of their products are handing over data to the gov't. What Kinect2 will be the first that won't?

cleft53936d ago (Edited 3936d ago )

Information can be categorized and set so that only key phrase or expressions followed by key phrase draws their attention. Also, it doesn't need to be a case of active monitoring, but simply having that information on file to cross reference in case they need to know more about a person. Information gathering technique have been greatly refined for a very long time now. The fact that you don't understand how this stuff works shows your gullibility.

Don't take my word, do a quick search on information related to how Federal agencies sort through the information they gather. Also, the government doesn't solely sort the information themselves. They partner with many different agencies to sort through this sort of information. I really suggest you read up on the PRISM program, even if you don't believe it, it does give you a decent idea of how information is being collected and sorted.

Campy da Camper3936d ago

OK forget ms corporate. What about a criminal with WiFi skills that wants to case your home to see if its empty? What about that perv in IT who makes a few Vids of you in compromising positions then spams them to your friends list?

Sure the NSA can find u with or without ms but I'm not letting douche bag per vs and criminals into my living room.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7217h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle4h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18811h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio1h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Cacabunga4h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff21833h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga2h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

purple1016h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos6h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

XBManiac5h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1015h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic3h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 14h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 11h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 9h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 2h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 3h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies23h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 13h ago (Edited 1d 13h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 11h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic21h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows9021h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 13h ago (Edited 1d 13h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 13h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 13h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 10h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 12h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 10h ago (Edited 1d 10h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 11h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10112d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref12d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde12d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197212d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville11d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai12d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref12d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan12d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref12d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde12d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197212d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier11d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto11d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts11d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts11d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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