Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing and Privacy Features - Ms confirms 24 hour check in

Two weeks ago we introduced Xbox One, the all-in-one games and entertainment device. Designed for today and the decade ahead, Xbox One puts you at the center of all of your games, TV, movies, music, sports and more. We also shared how Xbox One is built to amplify a new generation of Xbox Live that’s more powerful, personal and intelligent.

[duli14]

All the rumours were true! There you go guys confirmation from the main man! here I come ps4

''With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies.''

[dedicatedtogamers]

Some good things. Some bad things. Overall mostly good but I'll wait to see further details once this thing is actually put into action.

Obviously, Microsoft is going to make this EXPERIENCE sound NEW and EXCITING so don't take it for face value. There's still a lot of ambiguity and vague phrasing.

Good:
- Microsoft doesn't insert their own fee, but no word if publishers/stores will insert a fee
- Day One Digital (finally). Microsoft is getting with the times
- you can play your games via cloud/install, either at your own house or a friend's house (sounds like a solution to something that wasn't a problem, but whatev. It's the future)
- anyone can play your games on your console (we pretty much already knew this)
- games can be given away

Bad:
- seems to confirm that renting, lending, or otherwise playing a friend's game without your friend being logged in is a no-go
- 24-hour check in confirmed
- you can only trade in your game via "participating retailers". How will private sales be handled (if at all?)

Confused:
- "each game can only be given once" Obviously a person can't give the same game to 8 different people, but can the recipients pass the game along? I'm curious to see how this will work. Can they give it back to you (allowing lending?)?

[Godmars290]

Don't forget if they ever move onto another system or stop the service, all you'll have is a blue ray player.

[HammadTheBeast]

After you're given it once, it can't be given again.

Also, the Cloud gaming at a friends house only works for one hour.

[dedicatedtogamers]

@ Hammad

It can only be given once? Laaaaame.

And the cloud gaming thing only works for one hour? Will it work more than an hour with the disc installed? This sounds terrible but I feel like we don't have all the details yet (not defending MS, just asking pertinent questions).

[MikeMyers]

Give your games to friends:
"Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once."

There you go. Much better than the fear-mongering we've been seeing.

Trade-in and resell your disc-based games:

"Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games."

See the part where it says MS does not charge a platform fee?

Regardless of the new details we will continue to see familiar folks retain that same negative image towards the Xbox brand.

"Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners."

Awesome.

Bring on E3!

EDIT

@Why o why,

Renting to me is awesome because it's so hard to rent games in my area. This is something the consoles should have been doing on their own years ago. That's one of the things I like about Playstation Plus, you can play some games for free for an hour. I would love to play games for a rental period of maybe 24 hours for a reasonable price.

[Why o why]

"Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners."

You call that 'awesome'... the ability to do what we've done since the dinosaurs gamed....you really are super loyal to ms... credit to ya. You, j porkins and a few other can almost see no wrong with ms's strategy. Yes, some will hate for hates sake which is annoying but others will defend as if ms corp is a defenceless innocent newborn. There are people in between who JUST DONT LIKE THIS. guess we all should just change our names to Ben Dover

[Salooh]

Short way :
Buy physical disc > Install the game to the (console) and to (cloud in your account) > Play the game anywhere you want as long you log in to your account > The other accounts in your console will have unlimited access to the games (Like the ps3) But 10 family members can access your game library anywhere they want > You can give only one friend your disc without fees > You only can sell the game to retailers (Fees depend on the publishers) .

No loaning and renting in launch .. They are saying it like if this is a positive thing lol. Headache >.<

[kneon]

The cloud gaming at a friends house only works for an hour unless it can check in over the internet again.

But with the size of games today do you want to wait for game to download every time you go to someones house?

They've tried to loosen things up a bit but overall it's still pretty negative.

One thing that is not mentioned is that you can't permanently give away a game to a friend. You can sell it via certain retailers but only they can take back your license and reassign it to a new buyer.

[Bzone24]

@Hammadthebeast

"Also, the Cloud gaming at a friends house only works for one hour."

Complete misinformation from you multiple times in this topic. You will need to check in once per hour online to play the game. Not the works only one hour of play lie you are trying to spread.

[dc1]

In short:

- Games are locked on to ONE console only or

- A game can be given to a friend ONCE and then blocked from every been shared again... meaning that the game would be married to the second console for life.

Unless ...

- The game is traded through a participating establishment; effectively starting the cycle over again (and passing money back to MS, the Publisher and the Dev).

[Grindlefly]

Also don't forget the small print at the end of each section

"As we move into this new generation of games and entertainment, from time to time, Microsoft may change its policies, terms, products and services to reflect modifications and improvements to our services, feedback from customers and our business partners or changes in our business priorities and business models or for other reasons. We may also cease to offer certain services or products for similar reasons."

So eventually they will charge to trade

[gatormatt80]

"Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners." 

I wonder how Gamefly feels about that statement?

[DragonKnight]

@Mike: "There you go. Much better than the fear-mongering we've been seeing."

Words to remember: Publishers, CAN, Enable, and only given once.

This still isn't good.

"See the part where it says MS does not charge a platform fee?"

Oh how charitable of them. It's because they're already charging for Live and allowing publishers to charge instead.

"Awesome."

Oh yes, not being able to loan or rent games is totally awesome indeed.

[JokesOnYou]

"Your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games. Anyone can play your games on your console--regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you."

"Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time."

-I have a mixed reaction, 24hr check ins, Kinect, are fine with me, DRM has pluses and minuses as I can now still share games with friends it just isn't as consumer friendly as its always been, all in all at least micro listened and its obvious they made some concessions from their original plans, its not perfect but nothing that's a deal breaker, actually for the original owner some of the sharing functionality is more convenient than in the past.

[jivah]

Fck that. What good is the xbone to me if i cant get to play on deployment. There is tons of down time there and constant tension that usually gets relieved by playing videogames

[badz149]

WORST GAMING PLATFORM EVER!

[Bigpappy]

Here is where I stand. I have been reading a lot about this whole use game thing and the rights of the buyer. I hate to get into these conversations where everyone is just hot headed and they don't care to hear each other out.

I would prefer for the use game thing to stay as it is so we can trade or sell or rent or disk. The reality is the digital download world is how things will work going forward.

What M$ is offering now is actually better sharing than we have on 'Steam' or any other download service.

What I am hoping for is a reasonable agreement between the publishers, the retail and us (the gamers)so we can continue our ecosystem even with the Digital Distribution.

What publisher need to be mindful of, is that if the customer looses that sense of tangible ownership, some my start to question the $60 asking price for big name games.

But yea. Most of what we play going forward will be DD games.

Sorry if that offends any one, but I can only write what is in my mind, not yours. So you just have to get over it I guess.

[Tatsuya]

there's nothing good about this at all when the overall scale is tipping to the bad stuffs. I really want SONY to take the crown but I never wanted Microsoft to die. Unfortunately, they have now dug their own grave.

[fuzzyLogix]

Definately agree on the "Confused":
"each game can only be given once"

First time I read it I thought it meant that if I gave a game to a friend, I could transfer the license to them and they would now own the game, but this could only be done once. They could trade it in (MS reset the license for resale) but they couldn't then give it to another friend.

The second time I read it I thought something entirely different. MS are letting you give the game to a friend for a trial period. You still own the game and they can play it until you connect and play it again. You can only lend it to that friend once at which point if they want to carry on playing they would need to buy it. But you can still lend the game to other friends.

No idea which is right if either at all, but just goes to show MS still need to work on their wording.

[tigertom53]

maybe if the xbox one is free, then i can be a slave to the console that sounds good..... :)

[SolidStoner]

Xbone sounds like a nightmare for a gamer... Who in the hell would want to sign a pact with that dark demon MS! With all those decisions you have to see that MS is caring only about earning money.. nothing more...

[Lone_Man]

live in the present dude.

[loulou]

obviously best buy are in. that was why they said not so long ago that m$ had some great things in store for the future. and i would imagine all the big chains are also.

always on is not a deal breaker for me as both my consoles now are always connected.

all in all, seems ok to me. i can buy and sell games just like before.

if e3 shows a large percentage of games that are not kinect junk. then an xbox 1 will be getting bought this year

[DARK WITNESS]

For once we really need to stick to our words on this and not let MS think we are going to change our mind on this

https://www.change.org/peti...

[KarrBOMB]

Reply to Loulou ^^^

You obviously can't see beyond the present day. So let me clear this up... You can not buy and trade games like you do today. The absolute smallest issue will be time. Every traded or sold game will need to be confirmed, thus meaning the store employees need to access an online database and unregister each game. This means longer lines and more time spent just standing there. But more importantly is the pricing. This whole DRM and licensing is to make sure Devs and Pubs get a cut out of every copy sold, regardless of it being a new copy or old one. That means Gamestop and other retailers will pay a lot less for used games.

Now it's already been established that games will cost around $70 in the next gen platforms. As it sits now, games cost $65 after tax, if you took a game back the day after you purchased it, you would get a $25 trade in value. So any games that you buy and than don't enjoy, you currently lose about $40 right away. Since Gamestop and BestBuy are public companies that are traded on the open market, they're going to do everything they can to make up for lost revenue. This means even less for your trade ins.

So yes you can trade in and sell your games as always, they're just going to cost more and give less in trade in value even though they're on newer platforms and are technically more valueable. So by all means Loulou, buy MS's new machine and enjoy getting bent over since you seem to want it so bad.

[Christopher]

***We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers.***

So, it's up to the publisher if you can trade it in. And, it's also limited to participating retailers, which means you can only sell your games to a retailer. No eBay and likely no to most Mom & Pop stores.

***There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.***

So, the second-hand portion ends with the second person to own the game. And, you can only give it to people you know and is likely done all digitally, not through the disc (you would select a friend from your Xbox friends list to give the game to).

---

Now, what happens if someone's Xbox ID gets banned with this new system? Will they lose access to all non-disc based games as well as the ability to give them away? Will people still be able to play games on a console that they own/play games from on their Xbone?

[Godmars290]

Here's an idea to help explain everything: Bang something hard against your head.

Seriously, how does MS expect people to keep all this crap in mind?

[kneon]

Not only are there limitations in lending and selling games but it would seem that giving away a game isn't even possible.

EDIT

Found a line saying that giving away games will be possible for Microsoft published games, but other publishers may or may not support this.

[MikeMyers]

If you get banned I imagine you're screwed. Maybe this will teach people to act civil. Either way I imagine there is going to be some disgruntled gamers out there who think they should be allowed to conduct themselves the way they want online. Microsoft will have to give out warnings or temp. bans unless it is something very serious they can prove which will be easier now that it's always recording for a set duration. Hacking and playing pirated games will be an instant ban and the Xbox 360 had quite a bevy of piracy.

Still, some more questions now pop up.

1. "Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends."

Does this mean your game on the hard drive becomes obsolete or can you still play even though you gave the disc away? This is probably a counter measure of why you need to check in online every 24 hours.

2. "We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers."

Will they provide a list of retailers and how will this work in each country? Say goodbye to E-Bay and Craigslist.

3. "Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One."

So they all must have the same last name or will people just put friends on and will you be able to play the same game at the same time?

[Christopher]

***If you get banned I imagine you're screwed. Maybe this will teach people to act civil.***

The problem is that there have been false bans in the past. With a system so integrated, they need a better system. And, even now, with a ban, it doesn't prevent you from playing any of your offline game content. But, if all content requires a daily check to confirm, will this be the same?

[MrBeatdown]

@MikeMyers

1 and 3 would be unnecessarily ripe for exploitation depending on how it's done.

I highly doubt you'd still be able to play a game after giving it away. Otherwise there's nothing stopping friends from buying one copy and getting two licenses.

And I doubt all ten people could play a game simultaneously. A family would likely be considered those accounts that register the same Xbox as the primary console, so any friends that don't use your system are basically restricted to playing while online on their own systems at home. The fact that you need to be signed in on any console other than your primary one gives Microsoft an easy opportunity to keep it to one player at a time, or two at the most, if the primary console is offline.

MS said "ANY ONE of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time" as opposed to "all" or just leaving "any one" out entirely so that could mean that only one person at a time (excluding the purchasing account) can access the shared games. Not just one person per game, but the entire shared list as a whole.

[solidjun5]

"if you get banned I imagine you're screwed. Maybe this will teach people to act civil."

Not surprised you would find anyway to spin this. There have been people banned for no reason. Civility - while I can understand can be an issue while playing online- is not the issue here. Well, I guess to each their own.

[JokesOnYou]

@cgoodno
"Now, what happens if someone's Xbox ID gets banned with this new system? Will they lose access to all non-disc based games as well as the ability to give them away? Will people still be able to play games on a console that they own/play games from on their Xbone?"

-uhm so if you get banned now on the 360 then you aren't allowed to play online(multiplayer), you can still sign in, play games, get achievements etc so I don't see why the X1 will not treat you the same, I mean why do you assume that with the X1/Microsoft simply couldn't strip you of the ability to play online via your ID (like always) while still allowing you to play offline(like always), I mean why wouldn't they? I don't see why digitally downloaded games still wouldn't work the same; if you broke the rules of XBL you get banned from multiplayer, but of course you can log on and play by yourself (like always). There is nothing in any of these new policies that seems to suggest otherwise. Banning which btw isn't very common as some imply is less than 1 percent of all users http://www.shacknews.com/ar...
and I don't see why you wouldn't still have the ability to play offline.
http://www.oxm.co.uk/18847/...
http://www.thetechgame.com/...

Piracy on the other hand is a different matter, but if you're stealing you deserve to be banned, if you are one of the very very few who just unknowlingly bought a previously modded console or whatever then there is action you can take to fix the situation with micro.
http://support.xbox.com/en-...

[AutoCad]

dont get banned...

[whoyouwit04]

the only rumor that was true was 24 hour check in, which I agree is stupid, but wont stop me from buying one. You can share your games with friends and family no charge, but it doesn't matter what microsoft came up with you sony fans will dog it.

[T2]

damn right, people should dog it. I have a 360 but I'm not buying this p.o.s. you can only share with one friend, only sell at specific retailers, for a specific fee that the developers choose? required check in? required kinect b.s.?
That would be a big PASS from here, F U microsoft.

edit - so they just eliminated every gamer who doesn't have internet, or solid connections, and what about XBL fee? any chance that goes away? HELL no, MS is the king of nickel and dime, bend over gamers, MS got a present for you.

[dedicatedtogamers]

Wait, excuse me?

- rumor that you can't loan, borrow, or rent games? TRUE
- rumor that MS controls how you can or cannot trade games? KINDA TRUE
- rumor that games are tied to your account? TRUE

Honestly, the 24-hour check-in should be enough to scare anyone away from this thing. But it sure is funny seeing the virals rush to blame "Sony fans" as if they're the only gamers in the world who dislike what MS is doing.

[TKCMuzzer]

Strange conclusion. You could also say "no matter what Microsoft come up with Xbox fans will put a good spin on it".

Microsoft screwed up, had no idea how to answer all questions and have gone away and have now tried to spin positive on certain subjects. I would not be surprised if Microsoft did originally have a fee for second hand games but due to the reaction of fans dropped it before announcing it. I even got an email from Microsoft announcing the XBox one is all about games. PR damage control leading into E3.
They should just apologise and say they are listening to their fans, simple as. (even though it looks like their doing the opposite)

[HammadTheBeast]

You can't share, you can only give to a friend once, and its his to keep from then on.

You can also only play games at a friends house for one hour lol.

No matter what happens, people like you will spin this positively. Enjoy having your rights taken.

[JokesOnYou]

@dedicated
- rumor that you can't loan, borrow, or rent games? TRUE

-FALSE: "We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games."

- rumor that MS controls how you can or cannot trade games? KINDA TRUE

FALSE, the publisher will decide same as sony has said so far, when they say they will leave it up to publishers, I'm betting they will have a similar policy still: "Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once."

- rumor that games are tied to your account? TRUE

YES TRUE but it can be given away or sold which would deactivate it from your account:
"In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends."

24 hr check in is a brief sign in, not a problem for most here given how much we're on n4g. You can play offline after that.

[Sykoticz]

@ whoyouwit04

I have owned so many 360's and one ps3 i was a xbox fan boy. I was still trying to decide which console to get for next gen then i have read all i need to know about the "Xbox one" to decide not to get it because on it i can't

*Take my game to my friends house and play(For example) the next halo co-op with out having to login to my account do all this silly $h!t just to play

*if i move house and im with out internet for a few days what happens? oh yea 24 hour check in

i could say a few other points but i dont really want to waste any more time bagging this thing that has people calling a console.

[Garbanjo001]

Dude I'm a MS fan and i'm very upset about this. This is retarded. The fact is that it is just assumed that a lot of these functions are accepted, they created the new Xbox and basically said "deal with it," or switch. So I'm switching. It's not a matter of MS vs Sony, it's a matter of a gaming console turning into a bunch of nazi's and I don't like it. I don't need a console to come with a disclaimer every 5 minutes or a lawyer attached to it because I supposedly broke conduct with which I "lent a game." It's stupid, I agree with most that publishers need their cut as well of the 2nd hand market, but it's not even so much that they deserve a cut as it is "MS is controlling the 2nd hand market and saying buy from us instead."

I'm just done man, do what you want.

[Garbanjo001]

I can't wait til E3 and PS drops bombs on MS.

[moparful99]

I'm sorry but as a GAMER I am offended by the course of action Microsoft is taking. There has been writing on the wall the entirety of this generation as to the direction we are headed under them. Microsoft is trying to turn the video games market into a controllable asset for their own profit regardless of the ramifications industry wide.

TO say that anyone opposed to Microsoft's selfish ambitions is a Sony fan is presumptuous on your part and you are feeding into Microsoft's will. If you care anything about our medium and where its headed then you to should be opposed to the XBONE.

[Angeljuice]

Actually you CAN rent games at launch, in fact that's all you can do. You can't buy games (as this would imply ownership), but you can rent them at full retail cost!

[Angeljuice]

The fact is you can rent games from day one, the problem is you can't buy games ever (as that would imply ownership). Basically you can rent games at full market price of a game without having any rights to it unless you have Microsoft's consent.

All this dreamt up in the supposed 'Land of the free'. Aggressive capitalism and perceived freedom are both concepts that Americans hold dear to their hearts (apparently) and yet here they face each other on either side of the battlefield. Those of you that have supported Microsoft's somewhat draconian business practices in the past have helped to spawn a monster, now you must decide to either fight it or let it consume you. Game on!

[MajorLazer]

MS.. you lose! Good day, sir!

[FITgamer]

You forgot something... http://www.saturnfans.com/p...

[Gildarts]

They did say that some features may be removed depending on the feedback.

I was strongly against the always online thing.

But i have come to accept it.
Even if it wasn't required, i would still have it connected all the time.

[Mr_Nuts]

Knowing them, if we didn't complain after the reveal this would of been much worse

I kind of think they have toned some things down and considering it's still bad I dread to think what it was like before hand

[HammadTheBeast]

That was 2 weeks ago, and now they release this "positive" blog on their part lol.

[stylishjerk]

"Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games."

No wonder Gamestop is not having a bitch fit over this they are probably one of the participating retailers. To bad the consumer cannot chose to sell their purchased disk to whomever they please. I really hope there is an anti-consumer law suit over this. The fact that the game industry thinks they can change the rules is disturbing.

[kneon]

Yes this is actually good for Gamestop since it cuts out any competition from the small guys as well as private selling of used games.

[Anon1974]

On the plus side, Microsoft just saved me probably $400-500.

There's no way that I'm supporting a system that by design will keep me from playing my purchased games unless certain conditions are met. My gaming time is limited as it is. I will not accept restrictions on when and where I play content I've purchased. I'm not so much worried about my internet connection as I am the stability of Microsoft's network and software and suddenly I have another Blu-Ray player and that's it. I spent far too many months this gen with 360 games I was unable to play because something was wrong with my console.

Something always goes wrong, and if history has taught us outside of the US anything, it's that when it comes to features, services and outages, we simply aren't a priority compared to the US.

And that's not even going into the needless restrictions and hoops you have to jump through just to play a used game or the fact you can't even loan a game to a friend or rent a title.

It's about time Microsoft cleared up the confusion. I can see why they were hesitant. They obviously weren't going to be able to block used game sales based on the laws in the EU, but the question was would they attempt to restrict and control.

It's as bad as we all feared.

[warewolfSS]

dude. take off the tinfoil hat.

[Anon1974]

Um...I don't think that means what you think that means. Generally, "tinfoil hat" references someone going off on conspiracy theories or something.

I was simply commenting on the facts that have come out from Microsoft's reveal. If you had read the press release, you'd know that.

[wampdog29]

@warewolfSS: If you heard the news today about the US government tapping Microsoft's (among others) servers, you would see that no conspiracy theory is too hard to believe....

[DOMination-]

You were never going to buy it anyway

[tuglu_pati]

All of you complaining need to realize that if Sony also go the download route using Gaikai they'll need to do something similar to prevent multiple people using the same game. Its common sense. You all want this companies to be successful but you dont want them to make money.

This is a common practice and its always been done like that with software. Take photoshop for example if you are using photoshop in a computer linked to a network only that computer can have photoshop open unless you buy lincences for the other computers.

[dumahim]

Sony has already said you will not need to be online as they understand there's a lot of people without access to broadband across the world.

[iceman06]

What you are missing is that there is still a choice of physical media vs. digital. The general thought around Gaikai is that it will be the means to obtain some sort of "backward compatibility" and supply/support new games via the cloud. Currently, the cloud is only really used for save backups for PS+.

[fr0sty]

@Darth

And by doing so you are sending a clear message to companies like Microsoft that it is ok for them to restrict us from using software we purchased how we want and that it is ok to require a camera to be connected and listening/watching any time the unit is powered on. By doing so you encourage other companies to follow suit. By doing so you therefore harm the industry as a whole.

[dumahim]

Thank you Microsoft for making my next console choice easy. Seeya!

[dumahim]

@gamertk421

yeah, ok. Pretend you know me and fabricate stuff.

[Gamer-Z]

Did anybody else catch this?

"Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers."

So basically everything is totally up to the publishers, you have no control over what you do with your copy of the game. Also this contradicts that there wont be a used game fee, maybe MS might not charge you a fee but 3rd party publishers still can.

This is just sickening, i won't support this.

[Perjoss]

My xbox 360 has been connected since the day I bought it on launch, so checking in every 24 hours is not really a problem for me. I also never buy used games so whatever.

I fully understand some people being angry over some of the features of the One but for me, as long as it has games and a few good exclusives like Halo, Forza and Gears then I be buying it on day 1.

And in case anyone cares I game on all systems, currently getting my teeth into Ni No Kuni while I wait for The Last of Us and Animal Crossing to arrive. Totally loving Ni No Kuni, amazing soundtrack, stunning visuals and an interesting combat system.

Game on...

[wampdog29]

What about having a camera/mic always watching? You heard the news today that Microsoft's data is being tapped by the US government, right?

[MRMagoo123]

K this is not a fanboy comment at all , but what about everyone else, what about ppl with no internet ? what about ppl that can usually get games but cant afford full price ? what about ppl that rent games they cant even rent games any more ffs ? I can bet you the majority of gamers often rent games before they buy and when they do buy its second hand.

[iceman06]

So, you are their demographic. However, there are many others (especially in other countries) that might struggle with this online policy. I know that might not be import to the "endgame" that Microsoft has business wise, but as a gamer that does kinda suck for OTHER gamers...especially Xbox fans.

[justiceot]

@iceman06
I'm pretty MS isn't ignorant enough to be unaware of that. That being said, future profits may very well be software-driven rather than hardware itself, in accordance with their business plan.

[DARK WITNESS]

OK check this out....

I bought the original xbox and went online with that. my connection has never been off (apart from moving house) moving to the 360 I have still always had full internet hooked up.

I don't really buy used games because I like to get my games on launch day.

So really I could say none of the stuff MS is doing really bothers me. As long as they still have great games like Halo, Forza, I have plenty of reasons to still buy the Xboxone....BUT I WONT ! INFACT I REFUSE TO !

why? well I too game on multiple platforms, quite simply it's the principal behind what MS is doing and the fact that I like gaming too much to want to support a company that seems to want to destroy everything I love about it.

This coming gen it will be PS4 only for me. I will still keep my 360 but thats it.

[Perjoss]

@ DARK WITNESS

I think you're right, after reading some more articles that have popped up today I'm starting to get a really bad taste in my mouth about where all this is going. I've decided to not buy a One at launch and wait to see if they change any of their policies about game ownership.

For now I think I will upgrade my PC and stick with my WiiU for now and then buy myself a launch PS4.

[ShwankyShpanky]

And you know the most messed up part of all this? This stuff WILL get hacked. And the pirates will go about their business (or even if they don't pirate, they'll override the check-ins), and it will only be the legit players that suffer.

[wampdog29]

I think something else has to be said about what's going on. I don't know how much of you pay attention to the news, but today it was found that Microsoft is one of the companies that's allowing the US government to tap their servers. Now, do you think it's such a great idea to own a camera/mic that is ALWAYS on and connected to the internet. I don't. I know a lot of you would bring up the whole "grab your tin foil hat, you crazies," but I think this is now a definite worry.

[PunisherRevenge]

Yeah unfortunately the rumors are true, but pump your breaks Sony is still being tight lipped about what they are doing and with what I've heard so far, they might be doing the same thing......unfortunately.

[SilentNegotiator]

Stop calling them "rumors"

The "rumors" started from MS's VP's comments, in which he already told us about 24 hour checks. Three weeks ago.

They were only "rumors" because Microsoft pretended not to know their own (already announced) policies and Xbox fanboys were more than happy to go along with the idea that they were "rumors"

[FACTUAL evidence]

LOl so they have to be on my list for 30 days?! For those sayin this is good, you realize you still need an internet connection right? Not only that, but imagine if ur sibling/cousin just got an xbox1 and they had a game you wanted to play, you'd have to wait 30 days to try it.....lol

[MJ23007]

xbox just lost my brother and I's business, we were only getting one, and I was pushing him towards gears and halo, but the used games fees means well playing some killzone and uncharted.

[showtimefolks]

Ok now Sony don't mess up you have my sale if you don't do any of this crap

Or I will buy a wiiu

MS nice knowing you, this gen you will be dead last and it's not even gonna be close

Sell your TV box to casuals while actual gamers will go for other systems or pc

[Atomicjuicer]

Combine mandatory Kinect with NSA spying story and laugh http://t.co/H3UKdwzJru

[wellard]

Yup, man damnit, MS has just pushed me off of my preferred console. Why are they putting so many restrictions on things consumers are buying and therefore own. Damnit

[fuzzyLogix]

I really don't understand why they need to do this. Surely a license gets read from the disc so they should be able to give people an option.

If you're connected to the internet then you don't need the disc as it verifies the license via Xbox Live. If you aren't connected to the internet then it tells you to pop the disc in and verifies the license that way.

I guess the only issue with this would be if I installed the game and played connected and gave the disc to a friend who never connected their console to the internet and played through the game entirely offline. But realistically how many people are going to do that?

[KRUSSIDULL]

Why haven't anyone made a GIF of Titanic sinking but instead make it an Xbox One and Xbox fans jumping off the "ship"? Think it would be a good GIF and while your at it make it Sony saving people from the water. :)

[TheSurg]

No, only one or two rumors were true. Rest is fale.

"Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time."

Among bad things like 24h lock this family stuff is actually good! I can have few friends be as my FAMILY, we can buy 1 game together and all play it unlimited on ANY XBOX ONE (as long as we don't play in the same time I guess)

Also you can still trade in and resell your games.

[TheSurg]

Any on you read the article? You can share your games WITHOUT limits on ANY XBOX ONE with up to 10 family members. Make your friends your family and here you are sharing your games with them, all of you can have them installed just don't play at once the same game. How is that not good?

[DARK WITNESS]

Ladies and Gentlemen
Boys and girls

The time has come.

Many gamers have spoken about how they feel regarding MS policies.

MS has spoken back.

it's now time either we as gamers put our money where our mouth is OR we bend over and let MS give it to us!

I really don't think there is anything more that needs to be said

[solar]

I have no horse in this race of console fanboyism. I own a PS3, not a 360. This DRM babble of the next gen has had me intrigued. And imo MS just effed themselves royally. I cant believe you have to log in every 24 hours to play offline. That makes legit consumers jump through unnecessary hoops and i wont be going anywhere near the XBone....a now adopted title for a bonehead of an idea

[Rainstorm81]

With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies. .............This Fvcking Sucks

[RedHawkX]

world record # of argrees. anyone who disagrees with you is not a gamer at all and or works for microsoft.
ps4 is the go to console of next gen. everyone who gets an xbox one have fun playing with only a 100 people in your games while millions play online on the ps4. you can bet xbox ones wont be used in any game tournaments ever either.

[UnHoly_One]

I'm not saying that this should make it "Ok" for you guys, but when is the last time you went more than 24 hours without internet?

The last time my internet was out for an extended period of time, it was out for about 16 hours, and that's because I am moving and Charter Cable disconnected me the day after I set up the service transfer, instead of waiting until the day I told them I was actually moving... lol

I don't know about you guys, but this has Zero impact on me whatsoever.

Again, not saying I like it or support it, just saying that "MOST" people with broadband, it is a non-issue.

[blackthorn5]

You don't see that this is going to be across all gaming platforms? Sony is just keeping their mouths shut enjoying the back lash. This will be for all systems. I don't like it either.

[aquamala]

since much of this (other than the 24-hr check) will be up to the publisher, we won't know how restricted they will be until after console launch, more suspense...

[DAS692]

"Because every Xbox One owner has a broadband connection,...." GTFO

[Patrick]

I'm sorry, but you guys that are defending Microsoft for this are idiots. This is only the beginning and it will get worse. I will not be buying this xbox, Ever. I will not support this.

[3-4-5]

OMG...MS..you will allow us to still watch tv ?

As if we needed you or your permission for that anyways.

They are so dumb, they don't even know how dumb they are. They actually think they are smart, hence their arrogant statements that they don't even comprehend are arrogant.

And Arrogance = ignorance

And I'm an xbox owner and fan saying this...

I recognize what a slap in the face feels like.

[Prcko]

With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies.
OMG -.-

[Relientk77]

I can't believe they are doing this, I want to know why they think this is a good idea

[Why o why]

BOOM HEADSHOT....TO YOUR OWN HEAD MS..

There's some positives here but couldn't they be achieved without the negatives. Access to your whole library is kool for those with good net connection but the check ins.....side eye

[Gildarts]

They should extend the One hour thing that sucks.

The "family" thing is awesome, can share library of games,That means I can access my families library from another console. But one hour is barely a demo, make it at least 5 hours a day.

[KRUSSIDULL]

Ricochet

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

----- While a persistent connection is not required, Xbox One is designed to verify if system, application or game updates are needed and to see if you have acquired new games, or resold, traded in, or given your game to a friend. Games that are designed to take advantage of the cloud may require a connection.

With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies. ----------

What in the hell are MS thinking? This is the worst idea i could ever imagine for a console.

So if i don't go online they essentially hold my games ransom.Does this count with XBL to?

[InSpectre]

Uh, I can watch TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies right now. lol!

[Walker]

lol, this is awful !

[GreenRanger]

Xbox, agree with Walker!

[THE-COMMANDER]

LOL thats a great use for voice commands!

[wellard]

Awful?

Sir i admire your restraint. Im struggling not to use a string of foul expletives to describe just how %^&*V "^&£&£& amp;* £*(&" £&"*£ ^$(") )£&"^^£ ("£&Eing awful this is

[yesmynameissumo]

"With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies."

Pass. Thanks though.

[DigitalRaptor]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/...

Wow. just wow.

What about those without internet connections? Screw em from playing offline content? Wow... Microsoft, wow. You've reached a staggering new low.

The used games still come with restrictions handled by publishers and "select" retailers. They are still removing your first-sale rights. In NO OTHER INDUSTRY are companies dreadful enough to think people shouldn't be allowed to sell on their used products to whoever they choose.

They just handed it over to Sony, that is if prior assumptions hadn't already done so. I've always known MS were scummy, but admitting all of this is intense proof that they just don't give any f**ks about the consumer. And I bet this isn't even the half of it.

[blackthorn5]

it indeed sucks, but again this will be for all systems not just Xbox. Sony just hasn't announced it yet. probably afraid to after watching the response to microsoft. but they will.unfortunately this will be the future of gaming. not to diffent then PC gaming.

[DigitalRaptor]

If Sony does the same, I think my head would explode. It would be a massive kick to the nuts.

But I don't see it happening, because Sony are also selling Vita games alongside their PS3 and PS4. The discrepancy between how games and DRM is handled on each device would be very noticable and indefensible.

It's the same theory I had that Sony won't charge for online play, because Vita already offers that for free and it's a fairly new platform.

[Prcko]

Dissapointed!!!!

[wenaldy]

Made me easier to purchase a next gen console :)

[Obamanationn]

me too , im shocked to find out that if i let someone Hold my game for the weekend , and when they return it i have to buy the game all over again behind an Online Pay wall , Sony my wallets staring at you

[Qrphe]

You should've appended this

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[DARK WITNESS]

it's made life a lot easier now. ps4 for me.

[Relientk77]

I dont understand why they don't want people gaming offline, 24 hour check-in

really?

[Reborn]

I can't see the reason either. It doesn't make sense. Even if it was to apply updates etc, shouldn't that be whenever said user can get on?

[ChiaPet]

it's because they need to verify that you haven't installed your friends game on your hard drive it and are playing it offline while he is playing it too. It's like PC gaming now, because its on your hard drive and you don't need the disk.

[iceman06]

One answer....MONEY!!!

[Why o why]

So they can check the game you purchased. .... Is yours

Because they are also going the cloud route, it stops multiple consoles playing the same game simultaneously as only one copy/licence was paid for. Ms are shutting sh** down. There must be another way.

Edit

ChiaPet beat me to it

[CoLD FiRE]

"Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time."

How about this?

Funny how almost everyone here is ignoring it even when it's brought up.

If more than one person is able to play the same game at the same time I'm sold though I doubt that would be the case. Even then it's a great thing. I live on the other half of the world and I game on xlive with my brother who lives on the other half so if we're able to share our game libraries without each of us having to buy the same game that would be fantastic. This is awesome yet the fanboys are trying to make it sound like a bad thing.

[Why o why]

Sorry cold, that would be like it is on ps plus to a lesser degree. The 1 hour checks are to make sure the other players aren't gaming at the same time as the original licence owner...one of ten, not all of ten at once. You really think youll be able to game share between 10 AND all play simultaneously on one licence...you sure are the optimist... :)

[wellard]

Maybe they are using this connect every 24 hours rubbish as a way to farm data with kinect 2. If you cant get people to go online often enough how do you farm stuff to sell to advertisers?

[SOD_Delta]

Wow....this will definitely turn off a lot of gamers. What is MS thinking. With every bit of new information on the X-1 the worse it sounds.

[SnakeCQC]

no longer buying it

[Gildarts]

You probably weren't going to buy it anyways.

[sags79]

Oh boy, it's gonna be a long night!

[American_Gamer]

So it doesn't sound nearly as bad as I originally thought, no fees for used games, anyone in your family can access your entire games library with their own Gamertag, and the once every 24 hour thing doesn't bother me, as I'm always online with every console anyway.

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

1. Xbone requires a internet connection. If you don't check in within 24 hours, your system is essentially locked.

2. You can not borrow or rent games.

3. You CAN trade your games to friends but they must be on your friends list and once you trade it, it gets tied to their account. You can only trade the game ONE time.

4. Publishers will have the ability to block you from selling/trading the game

It's pretty bad man.

[Sitdown]

1)Only time I am without internet is when I have a power outage.... And even then I have my phone as a mobile hot spot.
2)Cant recall the last time I borrowed or rented a game.
3)Don't trade games with friends, cause they make the purchase so we can play online.
4)Don't really sale or trade.

Not exactly bad for me.....but could potentially boycott, as it could be bad for the greater gaming community.

[nypifisel]

@Sitdown

It's pretty terrible. They're trying to sell you restrictions as features. It might not matter to you directly (Hell not to me neither) but it's still removing ownership rights to you.

[blackthorn5]

So you just admitted on point #4 its the publishers of the games who are requesting this. Still surprises me everyone is blaming Microsoft. Publishers are saying they are bleeding from the used game market and are asking for a remedy to the problem.hey, I buy used games as well. But this is not Microsoft. This is the entire gaming industry's idea, and Sony as well as Nintendo will be implementing the same thing!

[Christopher]

Note that accessing your game has to be either done from that console (not two different ones) or you have to log into a second console and play from the owner's gamer tag.

So, if you have a single console household, no issue. If you have multiple console household, issue.

[American_Gamer]

Actually it says multiple family members can access your game library, maybe you can list who can have access to your games?

[Christopher]

***Actually it says multiple family members can access your game library, maybe you can list who can have access to your games?***

No, that would then just lead to people having 'families' of friends to do the same thing. It would be a security flaw in their goal to prevent people from sharing games like you could by just giving them a disc.

[TheSurg]

Did you even read the article? You guys just pick the bad things always.

It says clearly up to 10 family members can share games with you on ANY XBOX ONE!

[OrangePowerz]

No fees unless the Publisher decides to have them.

[Christopher]

Fees unless the Publisher decides to not have them.

[dohdeaux]

I don't understand what you're doing?!?!?! Why do you hate me!!!

[Wizziokid]

Well that killed Xbox One for me.

EDIT:
"It's worth noting that Microsoft allows you to gift games to friends but they can't borrow them"

really MS... really

[Christopher]

Exactly my biggest problem with this. This is the one thing I do since I have family members who I bought PS3/360s for and who cannot afford to buy their games. I let them borrow my games so their kids can have something to do when they finish their homework and have deserved it.

[Emilio_Estevez]

Same, just replace family that deserves it with bummy friends.

[CoLD FiRE]

What part of this you don't understand?

"Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.

Up to ten family members can play games in your shared game library from anywhere. How hard is that?

This is even better than having to give them the physical disc.

[Christopher]

***Up to ten family members can play games in your shared game library from anywhere. How hard is that? ***

Easy, they're not going to allow people to add anyone they want to a Family list. There will be restrictions. If you think otherwise, well, I'm not sure what to tell you. More than likely they will limit it based on your IP and an address on file (and penalties for falsifying such information).

Logic dictates that they aren't going to leave a system open that allows 10 friends to buy one game and play it between them without having to buy another one, just because they're on their "family" list.

Furthermore, only one game from my whole library can be played in this manner. So, of my two sisters and my brother-in-law's family, only one kid in one household can play a game. Yeah, I know, only one person can play a single disc now, but at least they can all play at least one of the games I own (typically they have about 10 of mine at a time).

Having said that, this requires them to download and play these games. Neither of my sisters have it. It's not feasible. They are poor. And, I am not in the position to pay for both of them to have an Internet connection each month.

So, how hard is it? Not feasible. And, guess what? It's even less feasible in tons of places outside of the U.S.

***In that case you wont gift them the game, instead you will simply SHARE your library with them. You can give 10 people access to your game collection...they can then play said games instead of you physically letting them borrow.***

No, you can't do that either. Only one of them can access my entire library at one time. Not just one game, but only one may access the whole library at once.

I made this clear above.

Furthermore, no way in hell is Microsoft going to implement something that allows you to share every single game you own with 10 other people And "Family" _will not_ mean people who aren't a part of my household.

I guarantee it.

[GHOSTxx420]

R.I.P. Microsoft. You gave us a Hell of a run and made us pay alot of money I'm sure you wont be missed to much.

[Tatsuya]

*helps microsoft to dig their grave

[duli14]

I'm really hoping for a boo during their E3 conference, Fingers crossed!

[lucaskeller1]

Not if the MS employees will be attending again..

[Relientk77]

I was thinking that too haha, it would be funny

[OrangePowerz]

That answers at least some questions and it sounds a bit better now.. All of that licensing sounds a bit too convoluted though.

I still don't get why you can turn Kinect off, but it has to be connected to the console to use the console.

[GHOSTxx420]

Do they even care about people who don't have internet yet. Bad move Ms bad move

[Wizziokid]

I bet they wont make it public that you need an internet connection so those who aren't in the know buy the console then find out they can't play it.

[T2]

I could see them doing that too, but it would be stupid as hell. Huge retailers would have to take returns on all these consoles, like walmart, and walmart doesn't bend over for Microsoft, they will be sending them straight back to manufacturer.
"hmm.... sorry but seems our customers HATE your product so better adjust that shipment of 1 million to 100k, better luck next time".

[Bzone24]

Didn't they just make it public???

[FITgamer]

@Bzone only to people who go on xbox.com and look for it.

[IRetrouk]

If they dont advertise that an internet connection is needed then the consumer has the right to a full refund, consumer rights ftw.

[Brazz]

i can picture it...
MS advertise that xbox need internet conection in the internet, and that peplo whitout internet can't play xbox 1 games....
Ok, but how peplo that don't have internet will know about this if this shit is only in the internet!

[Mr_Nuts]

All those people people who have crappy internet or don't have it will just get a PS4. It's that simple

With Sony leaving it up to the publishers, it will let them see how much we don't want it and how much it's hurting Microsoft that in the end they'll never use it as the years go on if people complain enough

Exactly what Sony will want. I mean they are only doing it in the first place to keep up with Microsoft since devs might side with them since they would get more money off these types of horrible anti consumer crap.

[Tatsuya]

no they don't. $$$ says hello!
Fuk that.

[DrGonzo]

You can only give your game to somebody who has been in your friends list for 30 days...and the game can only be given once!?

Seriously, WTF.

Sony, for the love of god don't follow MS down this hole!

[mmccarthy4]

since it will be on both consoles basically yu gave your friend a free game you can't do that with any other service no shit its only once otherwise sales could literally be 1 unit. It's says nothing about you not being able to access it or you needing to be signed in for your friend to play. If anything it's too good to be true.

[C-Thunder]

No, it will be removed from your console. This is designed to keep people from passing around a single player game and theoretically, increasing sales. It's a scam.

[SexyGamerDude]

And there goes any thoughts I had about getting an XboxOne.

[Double_O_Revan]

I know. I've had the previous 2 from day one. And while I have shifted towards the PS3 this past year, I've still always had both.

This isn't a matter of fanboyism or even favoritism, this is terrible and i will Not be buying an Xbox One. And not even completely by choice. I rarely have an internet connection when I game on the go. Thanks to Microsoft's policies, the Xbox One won't work!!

[GreenRanger]

@ SexyGamerDude
It's probably not sexy enough for you anyway.

[pompombrum]

Command "Xbox, go home you're drunk"

Seriously though, at this point they better some pretty hype games at E3. There is going to be loads of controversy surrounding this I bet.. just wait until the console launches, there is going to be more than a few sob stories of people feeling Microsoft have ripped them off. Can only hope Microshaft give into the pressure and change their ridiculous policies.

[GHOSTxx420]

At this point now I don't even think games will save it. Unfortunately...

[JBSleek]

It reminds me of what Adobe did with their new move to subscription base. The 24 hour check in now implemented so that they can verify that you actually own a license and have it up to date.

I have no issues with this but then yet again I am fortunate to live with high internet that rarely has issues.

Still gonna get a XboxOne and a PS4 though.

[Mr_Nuts]

Way to show your support

You could probably help people against DRM by not getting an Xbox One so in the future this won't happen again and won't make people who don't have the internet suffer.

[mmccarthy4]

Ms has a right to release a product that relies on internet if you don't have internet stick with your old console or get a ps4 don't shun ms or JBSleek for wanting to take advantage of MODERN TECHNOLOGY we have to evolve sometime. Everyone acts like ms are a bunch of Nazis only wanting to bring pain and misery when they are just taking full advantage of internet and modern technology

[Mr_Nuts]

You are the type of people why the gaming industry is dying. Did you just get into gaming this gen ?

[warewolfSS]

dont be such a fucking baby, the guy can buy whatever he wants.

[blackthorn5]

Your right skip Xbox as Sony and Nintendo are not going to do the same thing (rolling eyes) it's the industry people wake up!

[GamersHeaven]

With the always online they want every one to pay for Gold account that's what i get out of it sorry we should have a choice Microsoft you lost purchase from me.

[Rhythmattic]

Will games on this box work without a Gold Subscription?

Also, without a gold Sub, what features will be limited?

Honest Question.

[GamersHeaven]

It always online.... so yea you need a Gold Subscription and with out Gold subscription or if you're offline the only thing you can do is watch movies.

[bub16]

I hope they sell sweet FA!

Why make such big bold moves like this, seems pointless

I really hope the xbox one fails and gets lol'd at for years to come.

anyone who buys one deserves to be spyed on by microsoft

[joeyisback]

Hahahahahahahaha time to get a PS4

[PirateThom]

It's not as bad as originally thought, but it's still pretty ass backwards and still has a lot of ambiguity and now I just have more questions.

"Participating retailers?"
"10 "family" members?"
"No private sales unless they're on your friend's list for 30 days?"
"Only able to sell/lend once?"

[SexyGamerDude]

Yeah, it isn't as bad as I thought. But I look at this as better news for the PS4. Now we know Sony isn't going to have any used game fees because MS isn't doing it. On top of that, the PS4 doesn't require you to be connected every 24 hours, unlike the One. Sony, here I come.

[OrangePowerz]

It's still up to publishers if they have a fee and use the lending and sharing stuff.

It sounds all convoluted compared to have a disc give it to your friend and launch the game.

[dedicatedtogamers]

It's still terrible, it's just not AS terrible.

The whole thing comes off as a solution to a problem no one has (well, it's a solution for a problem the PUBLISHERS have). The "unprecedented partership" between MS and EA is making more and more sense.

[PirateThom]

Jim Sterling on Twitter has this nailed. This doesn't affect EA's biggest enemy, GameStop. They'll get themselves on that "participating retailer" list. It's independent stores that will suffer out of this as well as private sales.

[Salooh]

Short way to understand it :
Buy physical disc > Install the game to the (console) and to (cloud in your account) > Play the game anywhere you want as long you log in to your account > The other accounts in your console will have unlimited access to the games (Like the ps3) But 10 family members can access your game library anywhere they want > You can give only one friend your disc without fees > You only can sell the game to retailers (Fees depend on the publishers) .
No loaning and renting in launch ..

My opinion :
Sharing feature would be great(positive thing) if it was for digital versions however it's just excuse to stop selling used games and trading.

[sinjonezp]

With all of this confirmation, I am scared to see what they are going to do with pricing. They may require higher prices for annual xbox live gold. May require additional pricing on stuff the gamer does not require but the casual do. Very scary times with Microsoft. Very scary indeed.

[bub16]

Or if they used their brains price it all really low. making it look like the better purchase, tricking people so when they get home they discover youve been scammed and cant return it. so you end up buying games, purchasing live and become an xbot

[C-Thunder]

I will be absolutely amazed if live fees don't go up. Or even better, they drop the silver and require a monthly fee for every system.

[merciless]

I guess that settles it and put things into a really simple perspective...

PS4 will be my next gen console.

[Clarence]

So it begins. This is just the start people. No wonder they are not sticking around after the their conference to answer questions. M$ definitely wants to make sure your playing a game that you paid full price for.

[solidworm]

XBONE get out!

[ChiaPet]

I hate to offer an alternate opinion but this is not really that bad. I really don't know anybody who can't simply secure a minimal connection once a day. They have reason for doing this because with installing the games on your hard drive you need to verify that you aren't just paying your friends installed copy.

Also this pretty much confirms no change in used games market, unless developers want to charge for used games.

[OrangePowerz]

Why do games need to be installed in the first place is my question?

It sucked to install games partially on PS3 and while the disc drive speed will be higher the game size will also increase with games 20GB and more. Maybe I'm too pessimistic, but all the sharing, lending and fee free used games is all optional and MS is free to deactivate these features on their games once the core gamers bought the console.

We still need to see what Sony does if they follow something similar or not.

[Double_O_Revan]

I can't connect once a day. I game on the go with one of these:
http://www.amazon.com/Vangu...
I don't have a connection where I go. Therefor, I can't play on an Xbox One.

Verizon doesn't allow me to tether without paying a monthly fee, which I also find BS. So that reason alone will keep me from buying one.

[Sitdown]

If you have android get foxfi...... Problem solved.

[ShwankyShpanky]

"this pretty much confirms no change in used games market"

...except for all the changes in selling/transferring used games.

So many love to rail against GameStop (I don't really have a problem with them myself), but if you're getting an Xbone, you'd better learn to love them, because you'll be stuck with them and other "authorized retailers" if you want to unload your used games. Outside of "authorized retailers," MS *has* killed the used market... they've just removed the murder by one degree. "Sure buddy, I'll sell you my game... just wait a month after I add you to my friend list, and then remember that you'll never be able to sell it (outside of an "authorized retailer") when *you're* done with it."

30-day waiting period to purchase a used game otuside of an "authorized retailer"... stupid gun laws aren't even that strict.

@ThatsGaming #32:
"It is essentially the death of piracy."

Until they hack it... which they will. MS has just thrown down the gauntlet in front of every hacker on the planet.

[ThatsGaming]

I don't see a 24-hour check in as bad. I really like digital and retail distribution on the release date. I really like that anywhere I go, I can access my content through the cloud and don't need my disc.

There is nothing really bad about this.

It is essentially the death of piracy.

[Deadpool101]

You cant go around here saying stuff like that. Quick, say something negative about Microsoft before the whole thread turns on you!

[ThatsGaming]

OK. How's this...

I love what I see from X1 so far and on Monday gamers will get what they've wanted to see...

The games. To me, that's all that matters...

I don't care about Kinect or the tv functions, or the apps...

Just give me the games...

[Foxgod]

Fine with me, none of the so called limitations are in my way.
I never buy second hand, and i am always online.

[FITgamer]

Same with me. It's been at least 2 years since i've lost internet connection for more than 24 hrs, i get 150 mbps from my cable provider, i don't buy used games. That being said i still think it's stupid as hell. It's not just about one individual it's about gamers as whole and there are alot of them that don't have those luxuries.

[badkolo]

now im worried http://www.washingtonpost.c...

[Foxgod]

Why, information like that is used to track terrorist and major criminals, got something to hide?

[PirateThom]

Are... are you serious?

"It's OK, the Telescreens and Thought Police are only to prevent thought crime and allow the Party to remain safe."

[Foxgod]

You watch too many movies, thought police....
I might ask you that as well, are you serious?
I love science fiction movies myself as well, but movies like minority report seriously turned people into a bunch of schizophrenic weirdo's.

[PirateThom]

Movies? This has nothing to do with movies (Nineteen Eighty-Four is a book anyway.)

Do you understand that places like North Korea exist in the world today?

[Foxgod]

YEs, and North Korea is one of the biggest enemy's to Democratic society's.

The fact is that we aint in North Korea, but some people still act like we do live in North Korea, shows they are schizophrenic.

And where did i ever mention anything that has to do with that book?

[Tyre]

@Foxgod You're really from the seventies are you? You sound like a ignorant old austrich...this gives a MINORITY too much power. It is a basic law that it will be corrupt & be misused...check the history books these actions will leave EVERYBODY at the mercy of a few. You must be a religious person to still have so much trust in governments...how many scandals have we recently seen? Do we all have amnesia? We are collectively making the free western world into a shadow of it former self...just what the terrorists want. They want us to rob ourselves of our freedoms. What a bunch of retards in places of power... There are as many terrorist attacks as in the seventies with the RAF & PLO etc but back then we weren't such sissies to trade our costly freedoms for the illusion of safety. What a bunch of scared people...crime rates have never been so low but the over-representation & attention in the media is absurd. Open your eyes.

[ShwankyShpanky]

Is that right? And how many "terrorists" have been caught with this stuff? As many as have been caught by the TSA?

[d_dogg2007]

Microsoft disappear already you have been a cancer to this industry since the day you started charging for XBOX live! Leave, nobody wants you and if you have people buying this shit console well they are some of the stupidest uninformed consumers on the planet and deserve to have their wallets raped by your grubby corporate hands! You have no heart for gaming and it shows! When was the last time you released a game that scored 10? Just disappear youll be doing us gamers a huge favor.

[Crazay]

if that wasn't one of the most asinine comments I've ever seen on N4G then I don't know what is. You really complaining about the paltry cost of XBL? Why? Is the speed and ease of playing games with your friends not good enough?

You want them to leave? Do you hate the idea that games on the 360 didn't require mandatory installs that took 20+ minutes to do? What about the "minor game updates" that were typically between 4-15MB in size that downloaded in mere seconds and installed just as fast? Ya that sure was inconvenient. Think I'll rush over to my PS3 for a quick game...noooo...wait...I have a 200MB file to download and install and it's going to take an hour.

There's no question they're fumbling right now...I don't like some of what they're sayng. They may not even be able to recover from this but let's wait and see before sticking the new system to a burning cross.

Also, get your own Avatar goddammit. I've been using these for years.

=P

[d_dogg2007]

First its not the cost its the principal! Why should i Pay to play a game online that everyone else can for free? Insane! Think about it you complain that we have installs? And so what depending on your connection its a one time thing once its done im up and running and playing online! You guys on the other hand cant! If you didnt pay for live or it expired that COD you bought well it wont work! Simple as that so pretty much if you play one game the whole year in order to play it in its entirety it cost you over 130$ on xbox (New release 59+59 xbox live+ taxes) as oppose to ps3 59. Now multiply the cost of live saying over the course of the consoles life saying 8 years since xbox 360 has been on the market well that 8x59=472$$$!!!!! as oppose to 0$$$$$$$$!!! On ps3!! How stupid can you be?? Oh ands lets not forget DVD, no standard wifi proprietary hard drives no Blu-ray! LOLL!! and now with DRM, no lending man!! How much of a stupid gamer can you be?? Also the ps4 is releasing in about 5 months! Sony is still releasing exclusives for a 7 yr old console 5 this year alone!! Where are your games??? Oh its true you can't play them! Oh and finally getting blu ray?? What is this 2006? I've had since i got my ps3 back in 07 and your getting it now standard? LOL!! Last gen tech once again but hey im paying for live! Idiot! THere is a reason why you hear 360 players getting a ps3 and never vice versa cuz once you taste the best the rest just doesn't cut it! Do yourself a favor pay for quality and savings! Get a ps4 I have owned every SOny console and will continue doing so because when they release them they are pure quality coupled with amazing games for its entire lifespan and no paying online!

[YNWA96]

Shortsighted fodder.... This is the future. If Apples name was on this there would be no uproar. I will get XboxOne, everything I have is always connected. I buy my games, keep them and enjoy them. I have nothing to hide. I hate being asked to buy used over new every time I go to EB games, so their own greed has come back to bite them. No console maker has ever made a console for gamers, they are made to make money, I guarantee when Sony have gotten a foothold in next gen, suddenly there will be an update with a new EULA that must be agreed on if you want to use PS4. And it will be no used games and so on, everything you despise, simply because its about money, not consumers.... Sony are a corporation too.... Name 1 honest corporation....

[xXtremeHDGamerXx]

This is how M$ wants you!

[Lord_Frieza]

he's doing the heimlich maneuver all wrong

[RandomDude655]

This is actually what happened:

http://www.gifbin.com/t/981...

[Crazay]

Ughhh....

What in the blue hell would drive them to do such a stupid thing...You morons. There are still people with no reliable high speed internet, or even cottages that just maybe they'll want to take their system to for a weekend or longer to enjoy during the down time.

They have just alienated a huge number of gamers with this BS move. Let's not forget just how many of us in the day and age of greedy butthole telecom companies (in Canada anyway) with highly restricted data caps.

[Foxgod]

You dont need reliable speed, you just need to be online once a day.
Checking in isnt an operation that needs a fast connection.

@Crazay,
If your console would be offline because you dont have a reliable connection, would you be able to play cloud games then? No you wouldnt.
Why would expect to be able to do it with an online console then?

[Crazay]

Ya Ok but what about the "cloud based" titles? I assume they're going the route of streaming the audio and video much like On Live does. Meaning you will absolutely require reliable connections.

I also assume it's going to dynamically change the quality much like Netflix does. Well for me as a rural customer, I have a craptacular wireless provider that tends to get flaky during storms, when it's cloudy. It's a balls decision and I hate to say it, but they're going to regret it. I really think they will.

Technology is not quite where it needs to be as far as it's speed, reliability and availability goes.

I would love to know how they're going to differentiate who's family and who isn't for the shared title access. Cause I'll happily add 10 of my best friends to my family list to share titles with them.

***EDIT
@Foxgod - I'm tossing out the various scenarios. perhaps not very eloquently. I get that if my connection is dead, I can't play cloud based titles - but my connection is pretty crappy and I have been without internet for entire weekends at a time before due to hardware failure.

But I'm also heavily capped with the data I can download... Just 80GB per month and I'm one of the lucky people with this provider because they now offer 20GB as the base to new subscribers. How fast do you think the streaming of game video is going to chew through that paltry amount?

As much as I hate to say it, I have some very heavy gamer friends who have already stated they'll just go to the PS4 next go around if this exact thing came to fruition. Looks like I have a few open spots on my friends list now.

[Lord_Frieza]

why don't you take my manhood as well

[Emilio_Estevez]

Never thought they would actually go through with it, they still have time to backtrack.

[Double_O_Revan]

Not on everything.

Kinect being required is probably built into the hardware. That cant change.

The mandatory installation of games is probably also built in. That can't change.

And with used games, contracts and deals have likely already been signed, which is why EA dropped online passes. So that can't turn around.

And because the mandatory installation can't change, then there has to be some DRM to protect game theft, so the online checking system can't change.

The only the that can change, which I think they Did change since the reveal is the used games fee policy. Before we heard Microsoft would charge a fee, now they aren't. But developers will. So only Microsoft games may be protected at this point.

[manny1up]

This confirmation makes it's abundantly clear for me , Am opting for PS4 !..

[fullmetal156]

So if some "act of nature where to occur and i loose internet capabilities after 24hrs im SOL? Wow

[eZJrg6ur]

I like how they canceled all E3 press interviews with their executives just a couple hours before publishing this. Pretty much shows that even Microsoft knows this is going to be unpopular and the executives don't want to be raked over the coals by the media because of it.

[sashimi]

The Xbone is just a prison and everyone is a parolee with this 24hr check in lol with Microsoft as the warden.

[jay2]

Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.

In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends. Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners.

PMSL. No Lovefilm (for games) or anything for xbox one then lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! online every 24 hrs without fail, how about NO!.

[tethered]

After reading that the only way Sony will lose is if they do the same thing. Very interesting.

[Astargatis]

Storm is coming...

[Deadpool101]

We can lend games without a fee! Woo Hoo. My family can play my games using their own gamertags. Thank God! Welcome back into my good books Microsoft. I am pleasantly surprised by that article. Though im sure the vocal majority on N4G won't be.

[Majin-vegeta]

I dont even know where to start....*Facepalm*

[Deadpool101]

What's wrong? Sorry but I don't have a huge number of issues with the X1 and some of my fears have now been put to rest. 24hr online check doesn't bother me as my 360 goes online at least once a day already. Will I definitely get an X1? No, not unless the games are worthwhile. Im just saying that I (me, personally, of my own opinion) dont think its as bad as these forums make out.

[HmongAmerican]

So MS control what you do then? No thanks, I like gaming the way I wanted to.

[Lord_Frieza]

microsoft lack passion

[zoks310]

This is some crazy anti consumer bullshit.
And they take us all for criminals hence the mandatory 24 hour check. Insane the shit they are trying to pull.

[Gameland]

As a video game collector
Bye Bye..........

[BuffMordecai]

Kiss my ass microshit. PS4 Wii U combo for me next gen.

[ziggurcat]

"Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once."

uh... so you can't lend a game to a buddy who happens to not be on your friends list... because i have lots of friends who i don't have on my friends list.

"Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once."

so if your internet happens to be out for a long time because it's shoddy, you can't play games. and what if you don't have an internet connection at all?

"You can use other inputs to control your games, TV and entertainment experiences: While it’s faster to find what you’re looking for using your voice and gesture commands with Kinect, you can use a controller, your remote controls or your smart devices instead."

if you don't need kinect at all to navigate the system software, then it shouldn't *have* to be plugged in just to be able to use the console.

[HS83]

I read the info and I am still getting a Xbox one and a ps4 later on in a few months. I am a gamer. Though Sony will not haw always online I do believe they will follow suit on used games like ms. It sucks but I say that because Sony is to quiet on the news today.

[BitbyDeath]

Ain't nobody got time for dat!

[Goldenarmz]

I think a console should work right out of the box, that's like a TV company saying,i can only watch TV if i have a cable subscription. It makes no sense that they expect people to go out and pay 400+ bucks on a system that doesn't just work right out of the box. Not everybody wants to be part of a connected world, they just wanna play their games.

[tdogchristy90]

So let me see if I understand the 24 hour thing...

One needs to "log-in" to the enternet every 24 hours and when you log-in within that 24 hour offline period, a new 24 hour "off-line" time is permitted. So just make sure you're logged on every 24 hours or less?

[Geezus]

Its a shame because i love my 360 and xbox live. I never minded paying for it because it was reliable and had tons of features (basically u got what u paid for), but now microsoft is doing too much. All this anti- consumerism, 24 hour check ins, used game policies are uncecessary. Theyre convoluting the simple art of gaming... Im defenitely going with the ps4 this gen and if microsoft gets theyre act together i might get the one further down the line, but not for now.

[badkolo]

actually after reading that , its not bad at all.

[V0LT]

What a failure... Requiring the internet for a console is such a joke!

[OC_MurphysLaw]

indeed ...the internet what a joke.

[badkolo]

you can use your mobile connection to check in

[Double_O_Revan]

And since Tethering is usually Not included in your network plan, it'll cost you extra there. PLUS, all those people that have been forced to sign into data capped plans, because most removed their Unlimited plans, will have to pay close attention to the amount of data the Xbox One is using.

[SegataSanshiro]

My htc 3d evo does wifi portable hotspot without any sort of fee, its a device feature

[patsrule316]

A few positives and a lot of negatives. I have 2 Xbox 360s and no PS3, but this announcement pretty much guarantees I won't buy the Xbox this year.

But to all of the people saying they are going to Sony...are you sure that Sony won't be doing the same things? I am pretty sure they won't have the always connected, and they obviously won't have the kinect issues...but do you really KNOW that Sony won't block used game sales or charge give publishers the ability to charge for used games? I am not so sure. I don't expect to get either system until Christmas of 2014, not 2013. I want to see how the systems are delivering and here about all of the problems and issues with BOTH systems.

I am actually of thinking of getting my first PS3 after E3 and letting that tide me over for a year and a half.

[Tyre]

Not surprised. I'm only buying into the future i want...not some 'out of touch with the gaming community' company that tries to lure us into a nightmare world were we draw the shortest straw...i'm buying a PS4 for a more balanced and wanted gaming future with a company that is more 'in touch' with what gamers want. Forced fed traps f that! F your future MS...What they want will F up our hobby...they are trying to mold our culture in their greedy shameful datamining & Draconian DRM future!And trying to mislead the youth with the slogan 'you are the center' crap is so F'ing wrong...as a gamer i want to play as another characters than myself and immerse myself in other worlds! F that Kinect crap it makes thing less immersive and is superficial innovation. Were the center? were the currency of your faul greedy intentions...the center of your datamining. I'm not buying into your construct. F you for hijacking gaming to meet your own ends.

[slampunk]

Whilst i agree with the points you make.....Sony with Gaikai / sharing is going down a similar path as well...Both next gen consoles are geared around being online....MS is requiring it though....

Sony have been very quiet and have also stated they have the same "up to publishers" DRM measures within the PS4....

I'm leaning to Sony next gen too but i am also hoping they clear up their used games policy at E3 too...

[fOrlOnhOpe57]

Sony could have saved themselves the price of hiring a new ad agency.Microsoft have totally lost it.

[InTheLab]

So is XBL required now...I mean, you already must have it for half the game. With all of this extra bS, might as well make it mandatory.

[Bellcross]

MS can go choke on a Xbone with these policies, If Sony does the same I'm just going to stick to PC gaming until shit get sorted.

[Prcko]

bye bye xbox one :(

[a_bro]

no thanks microsoft

http://i.imgur.com/he28o0T....

[PR_FROM_OHIO]

That was funny lol

[Relientk77]

Haha nice

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Lord..you all are a funny lot. I see all the typical anti MS folk are in the house flaming away. this policy bothers me not... I have a fast internet...I can sell my used games... I am always connected anyway...I have no problems with it. I will judge the console on games and services not some fear of having my box check in every 24hrs.

[a_bro]

k. go and bend over for microsoft then.

@MusashiBlack

Get a PS4 or a Wii U, problem solved. This DRM BS is the reason why People hack and pirate.

[Deadpool101]

I like how people have disagreed with your comment. They obviously know how you feel about things better than you do

[OC_MurphysLaw]

yeah its par for the course on N4G.

[SpinalRemains]

Or

They disagree with his opinion. The button is called disagree, not liar.

[PR_FROM_OHIO]

To all the Xbox fans who are jumping ship now welcome to PS Family! Trust me u won't be disappointed! lol

[SegataSanshiro]

Sony will pay for destroying the dreamcast

[MusashiBlack]

I'm a US Soldier, I am suppose to get deployed
next February to God knows where……what am
I suppose to do now? We all know GameStop would
Start preorder for the big two next week...

*Signal Corps*

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Lets hope there is a military exemption. I know Major Nelson indicated back after the reveal they were looking into special situations like military deployment.

[MusashiBlack]

I hope so, I was going to preorder both next week till I heard
This :(

[grassyknoll]

That's rubbish, never going to happen.

[shinrock]

Ur about to put ur life on the line and that's what ur worried about?

[Double_O_Revan]

It seems that some of these policies have already undergone damage control. More specifically the Fees area. It was stated by many, including some of the higher ups, that there would be fees for used games.

I imagine during some of the post reveal meetings someone said "Look, they didn't like it. We have to salvage something, so we are just going to have to eat the used games fees. It sucks and we won't make the kind of money we hopped, but at this point, we have to put a positive spin on something."

[nigelp520]

Gaming on Sega Dreamcast while getting my ass licked by a cow> Gaming on Xbox One

[X]

"With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies."

While I have a reliable connection, the other side of the coin would be the one that concerns me more.

What do you suppose the fallout would be if a attack like the one that happened to psn were to happen to this network or if the servers on their end experience heavy downtime?

I buy a new game into the downtime. This would mean that I can't log in to attach the game to my account. I would either have 24 hours to play as much as possible or would have to wait before I could even play the game.

A scary proposition if you ask me.

[SquillieDeeWilliams]

Thats why I choose xboxlive, they have a much more reliable and safe network

[jsslifelike]

I don't have ANYTHING to say here except... I FUCKING LOVE YOUR SCREEN NAME.

[Terror2k9]

Just do not buy it and let all your friends know whats going on an they will die a quick death. I myself had 5 xbox 360s in my houshold,I will not support this in any way!I told a friend last night and he had no idea it was going to be like this,word of mouth kills consoles,a bad rep was formed about the sega saturn and we all know what happened to that console.

[PANTHER1030]

Hi, somebody can help me I want to pass me on PC, any good link to assemble a good device, thanks.

[gamertk421]

I have zero problems with any of this. People are just resistant to evolution. Can't wait for the One!

[jessupj]

Think you're confusing evolution with getting bent over and rapped.

[gamertk421]

No, he's the DJ. I'm the rapper.

[warewolfSS]

just get both.

[airgangstarr]

so basically besides all the rules an restrictions on used games which to me is ridiculous if u dont have a good internet or any at all ur basically gonna buy a ps4 if u want to game so if u cant afford internet u cant play gears or halo its probably the dumbest thing ive ever heard

[shinrock]

But if you get ps4 and you have no internet,won't you be missing some functionality. Hell you won't even be able to play ur games cus you can't update the title.
So wouldn't logic dictate that no internet= no ps4 or x1?

[ExitToExisT]

So if my connection gets cut for a few days i won't be able to play single player games , or i won't be able to use the console at an area without internet.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Yes...if your internet connection gets cut for a couple of days after 24hrs of the last check in your xbox will say it needs to connect. So assuming its a couple days you are out a full day. If you are in an area with out an internet connection you can use mobile internet to connect. IF you not able to get any kind of internet signal whether it be broadband or mobile ...this isnt a console for you...and honestly neither is the PS4 as both these consoles whether people like it or not are designed to be used with the internet.

[theWB27]

Although the PS4 won't need to be connected to game...I honestly believe they will be doing the same exact thing as Microsoft with everything else. This is their way of lining their wallets more and I don't think Sony will choose not to follow.

Sony just hasn't gone into any specifics regarding their verification process...cause they wanted someone else to get the bad press. But this will be the new age of gaming on consoles...just wait to see what Sony announces at the conference.

[SpinalRemains]

Not quite as bad as initial reports, but still a nanny console.

Looks like Micro may have destroyed their brand forever.

Now on to the games!
Woohoo

[Robtherobot2013]

Does Kinect still have to be connected for the Xbox One to function?

[Robtherobot2013]

Does Kinect still have to be connected?

[Kiwi_Blue]

How can they tell who is a "member of your family"? I wonder if you need to register your relatives through Kinect facial recognition! Otherwise you could just register friends as family...

Also can all 10 of your family members access your shared games at the same time? Or is it only you + 1 other family member?

"YOU can always play your games, and any ONE of your family members can be playing from your shared library AT A GIVEN TIME"

Sounds like only +1.

[Benchm4rk]

I don't agree with the direction MS are taking. If they did away with the 24 hr check in I don't think too many people would be worried. I personally don't rent games at all. I buy all my games new and I'm some what of a hoarder. I still have all my consoles and games going back to the NES. So not being able to trade in games won't affect me at all. But not everyone can afford doing the same. I know people who love games just as much as me but can't afford to buy all new games and can't afford the internet and live subscription. MS need to cater for all gamers. There are some great advantages with the XB1 but some of the negatives out way that. With all that aside I have one on pre order but will be doing the same as I did thus gen and not limit myself to one console. I plan on getting g a PS4 also

[MoreRPG]

Tbh the 24 hours check in shouldn't be a problem for those with internet connection but for people like me with no internet connection isnt so no xbox one for me. PS4 day one.

The only good thing is that you would be able to share the game with 10 different consoles.

[MatriXcian]

Microsoft is playing a dangerous game that we as consumers need to be vary wary of. Not only do they talk around requiring an always online connection but they dance around the FACT that they are taking almost complete control of our library of games. It sounds like a complete trainwreck in the making. I also like to point out how at the end of their little PR spin they basically tell you that what they just said is subject to change at the whims of the corporation. Sorry MS but this consoles just not for me i dont even care at this point about the games im not going to be told what i can do with my property. 4>1

[joeorc]

"The Xbox One licensing system also means an end to game rentals as we know them, at least at launch. "Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners," Microsoft announced bluntly."

http://arstechnica.com/gami...

"Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch"

My sister is not going to like this. No renting games off the batt is not a good thing, for her, she rents many games she is going to most likely stick to her xbox360 until much later, until there is the ability to rent games.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

one way to help your sister: add her to your account...up to 10 people on one account...and she can share your library from any xbox one.

http://news.xbox.com/2013/0...

"Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One."

[dethpuck]

24 hour online will definitely leave out a lot of people who currently game on 360. However, online cloud gaming is the future.

I find it hilarious that people are complaining about the on line check in, on the Internet. If you can complain here you obviously have some sort of Internet connection

Microsoft are ahead if the times while ps4 is stagnant and appealing to hardcore gamers. Next gen will be very interesting

[SpinalRemains]

Really?

You don't understand the argument?

I'll explain it to you so that you do understand.

The point of having a 24 hr check online is so the DRM can be checked via the MS server or by using the data connection. That's the problem.

No one can rent games! This has nothing to do with what you thought it did.
and its not hysterical. Its destroying a once great passtime.

[Bell Boy]

How about in a few years a new successor to the xbox one is launched so Microsoft decide to turn off those 300,000 servers and focus on their new machine only.

It won't matter how good your internet is you will not be able to access ANY of the games you purchased.

Support this bull and you may as well burn your cash on a bonfire...bloody ridiculous

[Bell Boy]

On 2nd thoughts your game collection maybe rendered useless much sooner, imagine your financial circumstances change, a lay off for example.

You may need to remove the internet as a monthly outgoing.

That game collection = dead in the water.

Or you move and your new provider as a 2 week installation schedule....no games here, but you watch a movie...pmsl

[SpideySpeakz]

More of the Cloud Magic crap.
It only justifies MS selling you a weak console, and make it dependent on servers that won't even be active for 5 years tops. Its just a money grab, by forcing Xblive on its consumers. You're just another sucker

[Nocando]

I honestly, even as an avid supporter of MS, cannot see where they can be successful with the Xbox One in its current state.

[SquillieDeeWilliams]

All of this nerd rage is hilarious, you folks are still gonna buy an XboxOne at launh and you know it. Does ANYBODY on here loan a game to more than 10 people, NO. Does anybody on her not have broadband, NO (and if you don't , you may want to speak to your local government about getting it. Unless your Military of course ). Has anybody ever given a game to somebody as a gift and ask for it back, NO. Actually, if your smart, you and your best friend will go 50/50 on all of your games since you can install them twice. All of my games will be 50% off because I'll split the cost with my roommate, sounds good to me. People are still complaining about privacy and Kinect when it clearly says you can turn off the camera or mic whenever you want, whats the problem with having it connected? I just don't understand why people are mad about that. Also, publishers will probably want to make games for MS because they know they will actually make more $ on the One, which likely will lead to more exclusives down the road. How can people not think that cloud gaming and living worlds is a good thing, that sounds like something gamers have always wanted to me. I'm pretty sure Sony is hush hush right now so MS can take all of the heat, but don't think that there won't be any DRM on PS4, if its up to the publishers, then their obviously going to implement it. People need to calm down, you all are clearly gamers, you want the new Sh@# and you know your going to be there day one, stop fooling yourselves and get ready for some nextgen gaming, stop getting all worked up, your gonna give yourselves an aneurism...

[C-Thunder]

You can't install it twice. You can give them the game. Then it is locked to their system. You do not get to keep it on your system.

Regardless of all this drm garbage, the system is considerably weaker than the PS4. I don't see why anyone would want to put up with this garbage for a gimped system anyway.

[LuditPRIME]

Rule number one: Do not upset your core fanbase. ( ie people who will que for your console)

They can't really be this controlling unless they have some really compelling games at e3. So im gonna weather all this bullshit im reading until games are playing in real time.

But if they then dissapoint then im jumping on the PC wagon fuck playstaion 4 you aint in no way convincing me, beacuse you are playing the im still here and love you card.

Killzone looks nice but at the end of the day it is a a poor mans goldeneye (yes its that slow) game compared to half life 1 & 2 every halo game and every cod game!

[MestreRothN4G]

Bye, Micro$oft.

[Smootherkuzz]

I hardly every loan or send a gamin disc out of the house so this will not bother me! What really got me upset is this 24hr crap. If I decide to cancel my internet do to what ever the gaming part of the console becomes a brick after 24hrs? Thats dumbest move yet and person who came up with it should fired! That must be some outer space stuff they are smokin!Iam hoping they come back to Earth see the wrong and put it back like it was. I still like the upgrade of unit but they need to think this 24hr over before it's to late.Got me defending them n they acting they r on something! WTF.

[SilentGuard]

You may be able to play a loaned game under a full moon, on the 8th day of the tenth month, but only if the crow flies south before the neighbors dog barks. You can turn Kinect off but only after you first turn it on and then it can be set to be off after being on. MS reserves the right to change its terms and conditions.

[JAMurida]

I don't like some of the things on the details, but at the same time, I understand/don't mind the others. The big take away is no renting and the 24 hour check. I use Gamefly/Redbox A LOT when a bunch of games come out in a given time, but they say they might change that, so we'll see. The 24 hour thing is okay I guess (for me) My internet is pretty stable and the most it's ever gone out was for 1 or 2 hours.

I think the most interesting thing with this news is what is Sony going to do when it comes to this. But for the most part, I don't like where it's going...

[Darkshader]

It's official playstation won the next gen console because microsoft alienate countries especially asian countries that has crappy internet providers.

Oh policy subject to change ... meaning they might charge consumer more beyond the stuff that they stated today. Once you buy an xboxone, you are hook to pay for life bwahahaha.

Xbox fanboys c'mon show yourselves. Is this what you guys keep preaching that microsoft will bounce back in E3?

[Bell Boy]

Xbox One only the most extreme of fanboys need apply along with the uniformed.

Let me sell you an expensive item and games at $60 a pop with additional online fees, then in several years I may decide to turn off that server you must connect to and Hey Presto I screwed your sorry a@@.

In the meantime I will update my terms and conditions to take away any control of the products you thought you owned...Kind Regards Microsoft

[Benchm4rk]

One thing I would like to know is what happens in the future when servers shut down. With all this computing from the cloud and stuff in 20-30 yrs will I still be able to play games on my Xbox One. I still get my old consoles out from time to time and play classics from my childhood.

[Man-E-Faces]

A very arrogant, selfish move by Microsoft to have internet a mandatory just to play video games! Can't say I am suprised really, Microsoft and their employees always have rubbed me off the wrong way.

[jdktech2010]

I'm sorry but I'm officially concerned about this...not the Xbox One but the PS4. Microsoft is bending over for publishers to get them money and I don't see how Sony can just not do a thing. Sony will have to have some used game policy or I could see companies going third party exclusive with MS because it's more guaranteed money.

Also, Sony hasn't said anything about this. I believe they said it could play used games but they didn't say in what capacity. It could be a full game trail type thing where you get an hour and that's it like MS has or it could be like it's always been.

E3 better come with some answers on PS4 as well as Xbox One.

[LAWSON72]

I dont understand this game sharing feature. I swear it is like the past few years were a glimpse of the nightmare I expected to happen next gen. One of the reasons I switched to PC is I am tired of such a locked down platform and it is only getting worse.

[cell989]

the fact that I can no longer take my console onto trips where an internet connection does not exist, therefor not allowed to play my own S*it that I legally purchased with my hard earned money pisses the s*it out of me!!! what kind of a$$hole console designer thought this would be a great idea?

So much control over my gaming, so many features dedicated specifically at DRM. All these hoops and bounds I would have to traverse just to make me feel a little better about my xbone purchase.

Playstation 4 thank you for existing

[Morgue]

That has to be the oddest thing I've ever read in pertaining to owning a console just too play games. Did a MS lawyer write that up?

Also. A friend of mine whom I argue with all the time about MS says he's passing on the PS4 and getting the new Xbox because the only games he plays is on that system.

Well...

Enjoy your Halo, Gears and COD.

[Darkshader]

Sony need to do is copy ang highlight the used game, trading games, 24hrs connection, borrowed games policy of microsoft. Then make a poster and paste it there together with sony's policy when it comes to game. Then distribute it to all gamestop branches .... to educate the consumers. PS4 will sell 5 to 1 against Xbox1 on launched day ... mark my word!

[Felix313]

Sony has said on numerous occasions the the PS4 can be played COMPLETELY OFFLINE if you so wish and that they have not built DRM into their system - but game publishers like EA, Activision etc can add their own DRM systems to their games, don't like games with DRM then buy a PS4 and refuse to buy DRM'd games and hopefully these publoishers will eventually drop DRM.

[SpideySpeakz]

Pathetic.

[gamertv]

I was a xbox fan but after this i think i am wrong now i think ps4 is best no drm

[mananimal]

Part of the reason Ive got 1 bubble is because I tell the truth, the truth that there really isnt a Console War, never was, theres only THE INDUSTRY, the people who OWN the entertainment Companys that comprise Gaming are all...ALL on the SAME PAGE.

Through "Incrementalism" they have steered gaming in the direction they have wanted it to go, to where it is now..the goal ? Control, thats always been the END GAME, not $$$ but CONTROL, of what? of how we as consumers do whatever...its bigger than gaming, much bigger.

Sony won't be any different, just watch, they'll use different buzz words, a different way of ultimately doing the SAME THING Microsofts doing, the same you'll see. Ive been saying this since 2007 but got lynched by the haters, the fearful, the disbelieving & the sheeple.... BUT NOW..what I said is becoming a reality.

What people must realize(& they will trust me eventually) is these Business Cartels have no interest in letting us as consumers have control or freedom of anything, they want to control everything, not only in gaming do you see this example playing out, its happening in all areas of life, & you all know, most are just in denial or scared, simple.

It is what it is...the good news is this: the POWER to stop or change what is happening to our beloved hobby is in the hands of the gaming consumer, the right to say "No! thats wrong & Im not gonna purchase this or that", consumers united together & they have no one to sell there product to.

Now the bad news: We all know thats not gonna happen, why? cause people are ignorant sell outs, they always turn on one another, they become divided. So as you already know you can only make the decision for yourself, to be a sell out or stick to principle & do whats right & not be a sell out to the Industry, give up more of your rights & freedoms for pleasure sake.

All who do sell out will regret giving up more of there soul in the end, to the detriment of us all, the consumer.

[quenomamen]

Sony wont be any different huh ? Well them why have we not heard anything from any devs, retailers, publishers game journalists etc like weve been hearing about MS for last couple months ? Denile, its not just a river in Egypt.

[MRMagoo123]

LMFAO so now im guessing the xbone fanturds will try to spin this into a positive, for the life of me i cant imagine how but still LMFAO, EB games are gonna be pissed.

[duff916]

What if your Xbox Live account gets hacked?

[xxchicago33xx]

bummer...if it takes a lawyer to understand how you can or cannot use something you pay $400+ for...it may be best to not buy it.

I hate that I am going to have to take a wait and see approach to something that used to be as simple as popping in a game and playing it.

I am really struggling to comprehend how this has become such a complicated endeavor...it's f*&king video games...not law school. They just keep creating more questions by the minute.

[Android]

"but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies."

But why are you telling me about TV and DVD as if that's going to solve the problem? Usually when you hear "But you can still" an alternative or solution follows. In this case they are telling us that should you exhaust your 24hr privilege of offline game-play that you should not worry as you can still watch live TV on a TV that isn't in need of an Xbox in the first place. Same principle applies for DVD and bluray.

[BladerunnerZX]

"With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies."

Its official Microsoft has lost their freakin minds.

This policy alone cuts out millions of potential gamers / customers.

This also means that after the verification servers are shut down all Xbox One games will be unplayable and useless.

[DevilishSix]

110 million to be exact. 110 million without internet connection and add more that don't have broadband in just the US.

[Brazz]

Gaming has changed...
My old day sharing games whit my friends, the time when gaming was all that metter and the only rule was "play this and have fun"...
Gaming has changed...

[Brazz]

I want to see what will happen if MS sever get hacked like PSN did in the past... Hell, i dare say that lot's of hackers pissed whit this bullshit in xbox will try to put live down only to see the deep shit that will fall on MS...

[CoryHG]

GOOD NIGHT EVERYBODY!

[fhizikz]

as a hardcore xbox360 fan im not getting xboxone. ps4 it has to be then.

[quenomamen]

http://www.allvoices.com/co...

60% of World has no internet. Guess MS didn't have all them foreigners and people live in Spitwater TX in mind when it choose to go with mandatory every 24 hr check ins. Unless of course it puts out a 3rd world version X1.

[worldwidegaming]

After you buy from M$ your gonna get
XBONED!

[XabiDaChosenOne]

Well, that's that, the winner of next gen has been decided.

[Jamaicangmr]

"Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies."

So i'll still be able to watch tv and movies. Thank you oh merciful Microsoft overlords. *Rolls eyes*

" Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners."

Omg! WTF!?

"When Xbox One is on and you’re simply having a conversation in your living room, your conversation is not being recorded or uploaded."

So allow me to unplug it. :( simple.

"” When the system is off, it’s only listening for the single voice command -- “Xbox On,” and you can even turn that feature off too."

Again allow me to unplug it.

"You can play games or enjoy applications that use data, such as videos, photos, facial expressions, heart rate and more, but this data will not leave your Xbox One without your explicit permission."

This shouldn't even be something they need to be clear on because this really shouldn't be an issue for a gaming console.

[Morgue]

If used daily the following side effects may occur please consult your physician before use.

1. Extreme irritation
2. Paranoia
3. Depression
4. Buyers remorse
5. Used game withdrawals
6. Not having any friends past the 30 day mark

[ACEMANWISE]

...unless required by law.

[h2h]

So MS is saying if my internet is broken for longer the 24 hrs than my XBox One just becomes a fking TV remote ?! WHAT THE FK!!

[threefootwang]

Absolutely despicable, but thanks MS for showing your true colors now, whatever faith I had in Xboner has officially been squashed. Furthermore, I've just put my 360 plus all 40 of my games up for sale, hoping the money I get from it funds my PS4 :) So in a way, thanks MS!! lol

[AHall88]

Well, that's one console I won't be getting this gen. Hopefully Sony doesn't pull the same crap.

[first1NFANTRY]

And my choice has finally been made. Thanks for assuring my ps4 purchase hahahahaha

Microscum FAILS!!!!

[AO1JMM]

I seriously hope Sony doesnt screw us like msft has.

[rmw2hot]

I love the ps4 even more now

[crider771]

Someone said in another forum "Microsoft is making me fear my gaming" and boy that's exactly how I feel. I have been playing games since the days of Atari 2600, and have owned almost every gaming system. I want my gaming system to advance with the times but this is to much, there are far to many restrictions. At the end of the day I just want to enjoy my gaming. I'm not sure I'm going to get that with the Xboxone, I'm sure their are fans who will enjoy it, but not me. Sorry xbox I PASS... Sony your turn, let's see what you got (please just be about the games and not the fluff and restrictions).

[TemplarDante]

User "Xbox switch Off"

Xbone "Why?"

User "Why?.. I want to go to the bathroom.."

Xbone "Why?"

User " Because, Im a person. Thats what people do"

Xbone "I have noted this. From here on out, you are to purchase an Xbox Live gold membership to use or own bathroom. And it must be under full scrutiny of Kinect."

User "What? F You! I will do what I want to. Now, Im not letting you tell
me what to do!!!"

Xbone "I cant let you do that, Dave.."

User "Well, you cant stop me "

Xbone "This is your final warning."

User: Screw you!

Xbone "Five seconds to comply.."

User: Youre just a machine, you cant touch me!

Xbone: 4..3...

User "Wha what.. what are you doing?"

Xbone "Im sorry it came to this, Dave ... 2....1"

User:" You dont have arms or legs, you cant hurt me ! ha ha ha"

Xbone " ...0, goodbye Dave.
*dials 911 through internet*
"Hello, Operator? There is an intruder in my house, he refuses to leave. I am scared. Send many cops and make sure they have guns to eliminate the threat"

User: What did you do?

Xbone: Goodbye Dave.

*Police knock on door"
User opens door.
Xbone screams like a girl
"Its him, shoot him"
User dies.
He was a silver member, MSFT dont care about them.

[Sh0ckWav3]

lol..i guess im done gaming...its just getting worst and worst...like i said b4, its just my old school systems for next gen...i call it first here!! next time you gonna have to pay for a replay shot... just in case ya miss it..i mean instant replay..it will cost you $9.99 to watch your gt/forza instant replay for your game....

[DevilishSix]

Well the Xbone is confirmed a no go for me. Sure I have high speed at home, problem is I spend 3 nights a week at hotels for work and usually bring my 360 or Ps3 to pass the time. Ever try connecting a game console to hotel wi-fi? Lets just say the Xbone won't be working for my situation. Now I can only hope Sony keeps their word about offline gaming or I will have to forget about them as well and go with Wii, even though I hate their controller.

[Garbanjo001]

I just realized something, having skype on is a bad deal while playing video games. Now all your mothers and fathers get to see what retards you really are when you play video games. Lets not forget grandma when she skypes because she can't kill the boss on Gears of War (which is a shitty game grandma)... tsk tsk.

[OOG]

I realize every single day how much most of you come off as retarded.... I don't know if its sad for the gaming world... or just the world in general... shame

[phatzo]

I find it pretty funny that everyone that is typing these comments are on the Internet in the first place!! ( You are typing on a message board on the internet)So why is everyone now boycotting a game system that is always online? If you want to boycott something boycott Comcast or Time Warner for charging outrageous prices, or for not getting Internet to your area!!

[Ashunderfire86]

Maybe we should boycott you for typing stupid comments.

[phatzo]

Haha!! Why don't you come up with something a little more intellectual. Do I need to give you the definition and pronunciation so you can use it in a sentence next time?

[Ashunderfire86]

# phatzo

Yeah we all are on the internet, but not everybody has internet. The internet is not perfect, especially if you lose connection for any number of reasons. I don't know if your head is under the sand, but do you realize what happen to the PS3 online connection 2 years ago? No internet for 2 months! Just imagine if hackers take control of the Xbox One. Hackers attack companies that do draconian things like this to consumers. If games were a lot cheaper and online free, than you won't see much bootlegging or hacking. Companies failed to see this. I digress.

"Haha!! Why don't you come up with something a little more intellectual. Do I need to give you the definition and pronunciation so you can use it in a sentence next time?"

You clearly are out of touch, and I don't even need to put my comment in a sentence, when everybody understands unlike you who has 10 disagrees. Now look who's talking. Get your head examine.

[STGuy1040]

Maybe this has been brought up already, but what happens if you go on vacation and you're gone for a week or longer?

[breezy21]

there is no way i am paying 60 for every game. watch dogs and nba live could turn out to be a disaster. i like to play or rent games before i buy them, especially brand new ips. MS fix this now or make some kind of rental service!!!

[MJ23007]

Since they didn't back off their used games fee stance that makes my decision much easier...PS4

[josephayal]

good news im so happy

[MJ23007]

If been an xbox fanboy from day one, but if any of you seriously buy this console in December Thanks a lot a-hole! Your only supporting this used game crap for the future.

[andibandit]

Can someone explain the Family/friends thing again, cause it sounds like if I buy 1 game i get 10?????

[S2Killinit]

pretty much they just brought up things you already could do in a way that makes you feel like you have options. They are very generous.

[talisker]

"When the system is off, it’s only listening for the single voice command -- “Xbox On,”

Sure Microsoft, just like you didn't install a spying module in Skype when you bought it.

[Ashunderfire86]

After 24 hours you can't play offline games. That is absolutely terrible. What about those folks out west without internet Microsoft? Did you even thought about them? 30 days to let my friend borrow the game, then the game is blocked to him or her. Never again can my friend borrow a game to beat it at his or her own pace, they have only a 30 day trial. I wonder what they are going to do with Gamefly? We are already paying monthly for a game that's a 30 day trial? Microsoft explain that quick!!! I know you want to fight piracy, but this is alienating the consumer. If you want to appeal to the mainstream, don't make Xbox One complicated. Those clueless parents are going to be confused with these features. How can they give this game system to their kids?

[MadMen]

Bye Bye Xbox, I did consider you a dear friend but can see you have hit rock bottom.

[SEAN1617]

EA and Sony's relationship has been off most likely because sony is not following suite with the bull crap.

[S2Killinit]

lol that was a very nice and formal way of saying "bend overcustomer Ima comin"

[jimbobbeers]

I'm amused as to how many people are complaining about an always online connection, when you're always bloody commenting on N4G.

Let's moan because we can. The amount of you this won't actually effect and you're just bitching for the sake of it is phenomenal. For those who do have genuine internet issues, then I feel for you. However, 99% of the people complaining don't, they're just complaining cause they want to.

[S2Killinit]

How many lawyers and psychologists do you guys think they brought together to come up with all that? It was a masterpiece, it should go down in Guinness World Record for the longest possible way to write the word "penis"

[gamertv]

We dont want feature we want games only

[eyeDEVOUR]

Like I said in another post...
To all the xbox fans out there I say this- don't let pride get in the way of jumping ship to a different console or even to PC...and remember that if you give M$ your money you are supporting there behavior...good luck and stay gamers regardless

[silkrevolver]

UUUUGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH

Please, just... don't set a precedent for sony.

Sony - KEEP DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

[S2Killinit]

So pretty much it means that if someone else wants to play your games, they will have to sign into your account and play YOUR game. Meaning they will be advancing on where you left off, or they will have to restart your game thereby loosing where you were in the game. Am I correct in this?

[rela82me]

The way I interpreted it is this. You have a list of 10 family members that can reside outside of your console. Of these members they have constant access to your 'shared games.' You have unlimited access to games when played on your console --no matter the account logged in. You ALSO have the ability to GIVE the license of your game away ONLY once per license. Correct me if I am wrong please so that I know I am interpreting this right.

[S2Killinit]

well to be honest with you I'm not quite so sure myself what it all ment but here's what I think in regards to your main points. You said the family members can share your games with you. I think that only applies if they live under your roof (same household), But as far as playing on a different account, I think you can't do that because the whole point of this is to make every individual buy their own game (think like Blizzard games: Diablo for instance. If my brother wanted to play on my account, or on a guest account he could, but then he would advance my game, meaning I would miss out on the story) I forced him to go buy his own, that little weasel. lol "get a job ass wipe" I told him. jk

[Leogamer]

Ok, here's what I think everyone is forgetting about this whole debacle. There's NO WAY, NO F$^%# WAY, NO CHANCE IN HELL, Micro#$hit would pursue this nonsense, 'UNLESS', (drum-roll please)SONY is following behind with the same policies in second hand game sales. This is basically mutual destruction if a business company would tackle newer restrictions upon the gaming community that, up to now, has never faced sales restrictions. No business company would risk everything alone, unless they know, all business partners/rivals are in it for profits. They're placing restrictions for bigger profits. They're changing/rewriting the laws, so dev./pub. and retailers have a bigger stake of your hard-earned dollar. In retrospect, big Corporations like Sony/Micro#$hit are trying to deliberately subdue the power of the consumer. If both companies follow through, then we have a game changer. Again, Micro#$hit cannot accomplish this alone, unless they have an ACE up their sleeve. (CLUE-SONY)Either way you look at it, it seems to me, I'm gonna have to stick with my PS3 for a mighty long time.

[quenomamen]

U got a point but if Sony did have something like this planned we would of heard about it by now, from devs, publishers, journalists etc. Now the publishers can still add they own DRM like season passes an stuff, but it's not Sony forcing them to do it like MS is.

[rela82me]

True that Microsoft is the 'enabler' in the situation, but truly the choice is up to the developer. Which in reality means that for sony the "codes" the publishers produce is the EXACT same thing and the digital "codes" that will be produced in your hard drive. Microsoft just made the automatic feature.

I am hoping, again hoping, that with the tragedy we can prosper in other ways. For instance, since MS automatically assigns you a license key for the product, it being accessed anywhere is an awesome and useful concept. Digital trading and sharing of the sort could turn out to be useful just the same.

So if this is the case that both consoles will have their own form of DRM control from the Devs, I hope that Sony can manipulate it into the few positives that MS was able to make out of it.

This isn't a defence for their strategy, but if stuff is hitting the fan I would like there at least to be a cool breeze.

[ACEMANWISE]

The control system on PS3 already shows signs of going the same (or similar route).

1) Each digital game has an expiration slot in the information area.
2) All digital content downloaded from the store begins with "activating"
3) Both PSN and XBox Live have very similar terms and conditions for their services.
4) The PS3 limits digital game copies to two consoles at a time. (Previously 5 consoles)
5) The PS3 limits your digital movie purchase to one download only.
6) Game saves cannot be copied, transferred, or backed up.
7) Actually nothing copyrighted can be backed up.
8) Online Pass started with the developer, not Sony or Microsoft.
9) Devs want this and it's up to the consoles to sell the idea.
10)You cannot exchange a harddrive without the PS3 wiping it clean...meaning no transfer of game content to other systems, yours or not. Recovery always points to the online store, which is a server.
11)When PSN went down it crippled the PS3, suggesting a reliance to an online connection.

It's already there, just less obvious.

[joeorc]

"Ok, here's what I think everyone is forgetting about this whole debacle. There's NO WAY, NO F$^%# WAY, NO CHANCE IN HELL, Micro#$hit would pursue this nonsense, 'UNLESS', (drum-roll please)SONY is following behind with the same policies in second hand game sales."

Just like Sony was going to Have a "Requirement" for PSN? how many freaking year's has that been stated over and over again, Sony will not be able to offer free over the network Gaming, and have to follow Suit with Microsoft!

for THE lOVE OF FREAKING GOD, SONY IS NOT MICROSOFT!

EVER SINCE THIS HAS COME TO LIGHT:

Sony has already Stated there is no built in DRM requirement for the Playstation 4. Sony has stated over not just by one Exec, but more than one and more times to the Press, that Sony is leaving that option up to the Freaking 3rd party Publisher's!

Trying to lump in Sony with Microsoft's choice will still not make it a fact that Sony is going along with Microsoft's choice in the matter of DRM.

Sony already said, No, Nein,nyet How many freaking ways does Yoshida have to say it?

[WitWolfy]

WTF did I just read... "You need to know the person at least for 30 days before you can sell your games to them"?!?!?! LOL

Now I've read EVERYTHING!

[latincooker214]

im going to keep it real. i really really wanted to have both next gen systems in my house with all the bs to the side for a min ok. yea im on here saying PS4 FTW:) but real talk im a gamer at heart but i cant support a company doing this to us it's not right i hope that the people getting Xbox 1 know what they doing. i say good luck to you and game on what ever makes you happy:) PS4 FTW:)

[ramiuk1]

ok so here my issue

lets say..

i have 2 consoles xbones in house
will i still have to buy 2 copies of the game as its locked to the console?
im thinking with my son playing my same librairy from his gamertag?
lending to mates,killing rental market,killing person sale market(so gonna get ripped of at game on tradeins),

what a mess microsoft

[rela82me]

No it is tagged to your profile, so if you have to consoles then you will be able to access it through your profile. Lending to mates really won't kill it, they probably will put restrictions on how long you can lend it to someone. otherwise they wouldn't really have the "give" feature of it as well. If you can give the rights that insinuates that you will never get it returned, but the lending implies you get it back at some undetermined point. How long is a great question.

[ACEMANWISE]

I have 3 PS3s in my house. Each digital product is limited to 2 at a time.

I believe the game is locked to your account regardless of where or how many.

[latincooker214]

what i want to know is what is the people at GameFly thinks about this and the people at netflix with redbox. Hell what about GAMESTOP what are they saying. are they still going to support XBOX after hearing about this. ???

[ramiuk1]

as usual MS politics ,cant give straight answers.

further reading im edging towards sony now just for the fact they have said u can always play offline

[latincooker214]

well good for you ramiuk1 here's a bubble dude PS4 FTW:)

[Clawdragon]

I think a better way to control And make players but New Games,could be, to give us a free dlc To New game buyers, a free dlc that could come in The game or could be downloaded And second hand buyers lose that And if they want it have to pay a high fee to get it. They just need to think of something nice so people fell The need to get The New one

[eyeDEVOUR]

I get what you're trying to say but they are already giving us incomplete games and making us buy dlc to get the full experience...so that wouldn't work...

[ramiuk1]

free dlc lol.
they screw us with it now.

thats why this cloud is a joke(ever expanding world byt publishers)
total bull**** that,DLC is announced and cut out of games during making of it.
there not gonna update games in cloud for free.

i hate what gaming is becoming,so hope sony isnt following the same direction otherwise it will be back to my pc gaming full time.

[elitesupreme]

Why is it that game developers/publishers think that they deserve ANYTHING from used game sales? WHY?

Car manufacturers don't bitch and moan and screw the used car sales, do they?

But, then again these rich a55 devs/pubs probably don't even have the phrase "used car" in their vocabulary.

Once a product is bought, it can and should be free from the original manufacturers claim to financial gains.

If they want a cut from used sales, how come they haven't bothered to impose their stupid asinine regulations when it comes to their CONSOLES?

People defending devs/pubs getting anything from used game sales, are ignorant. Apply their DRM rules to the automotive industry, go ahead and try... let me know what happens.
PEACE

[eyeDEVOUR]

Well said!!

[quenomamen]

Yea, do I have send money to Warner Bros if I sell used Blurays ? Should EMI get a cut off used CDs ? Send Samsung some money when you sell your used S4 next year.

What makes these guys so special ? It's all about the bucks, period.

[Gracchus]

'At Microsoft, we prioritize your privacy'

Hilarious stuff, this company has been handing over data to the NSA for years. It was the first to sign up!

http://www.washingtonpost.c...

Xbox One is nothing more than a data mining machine.

[joeorc]

100% correct

oh' what a pretty PRISM..oooh wait a min..LMAO, Google, apple,yahoo,facebook,skype,AOL . also joined the fun of Data Mining. they all got Dig Dug ON PAY ROLL.

http://upload.wikimedia.org...

[eyeDEVOUR]

What's scarier than this policy is the defense of it I'm reading in these comments...with these kinda policies and ways of thinking we wouldn't have a public library in the world. And apparently it looks like libraries are proven useless to the generation of idiots who would support shit like this...just think about what this would do to books if it was to be successful to just game publishers...if book publishers could do the same thing then libraries would shut down over night. There wouldn't even be libraries in the schools that your children got to...

Wow... I may sound a Lil bit of a conspiracy theorist but, don't think for one minute that other types of media publishers wouldn't jump on board with this..

fucking sad!!

[Clawdragon]

U lose lose your warranty after some time or after some use when u buy used cars maybe they can think of something that u lose when buying used And then is your choice New ir used but dont take away The freedom of selling that aint right

[NeloAnjelo]

Please Sony dont do something similar.

My fear is pressure from the Publishers... the big guns like EA, Activision and Ubisoft. :( Will they be forced to place this in the PS4? Will Third parties not Support Sony if they don't have this?

The online check in is horrible for people with no internet.

[Clawdragon]

Maybe give us a free game for every 10 New Games u get make it sweet to buy New

[JenovaXD]

I think i'm going to be sick. Why would they do this?

I never was going to buy a xbox1 but they are hurting the industry with all these restrictions, sad times are coming.

[strigoi814]

If i am going at E3 i would definitely boycott this Microsoft and let their conference filled up by MS representatives and the clappers..coz everything they are pushing now are all for their own sake..they dont care about gamers anymore never

[sigfredod]

Probably they will fill their conference with MS employess so they will not get any booing

[jimbobbeers]

The internet is complaining about having to be on the internet! Irony at its best.

[JenovaXD]

that's not the point. what if your internet goes down? Then your xbox will just be paperweight.

[jimbobbeers]

If your internet goes down generally it doesn't take a day to come back up again. In terms of playing offline permanently? Microsoft say "exit the 20th century".

[ramiuk1]

no u can still watch your cable tv on it.
you know the one you already pay for,well if you have xbox gold u can use your console to get the same features.

[addictedtochaos]

It is one thing to have online features, it is something else entirely to force people to use it.

[IIJOSEPHXII]

My god what have they done? I'm speechless. So long xbox goodbye.

[Projekt]

I was secretly hoping that the xbone would surprise me and be all like 'One Vision', then things got a little more serious and less fist-pumping like 'One'; Then I wake up one morning and it's all 'One Direction'. Shame.

[addictedtochaos]

Sweet the money I'll save not buying the Xbone will be used to buy more PS4 games.

[Clayman]

And what about xbl Gold and Silver memberships? Will there be even more restrictions on Silver members now? The worst could be yet to come.

[elitesupreme]

What if they announce at E3 that Live will be free? You know, counter balance all of this DRM connected BS. Then, maybe just a little, it might be somewhat tolerable.

That would be the only thing I can see that would save them from the sh17 storm they created.

[plolas]

Remember this: MS will be raped by hacking groups

[CRAIG667]

I am sure half the comments being posted on this thread are by people who did not even bother to read the linked specs, illiterate fanboys ahoy!

[NeloAnjelo]

I am not fine with 24 hour check-ins! Even though I have a stable internet connection, why would i want something with this function... How are people fine with this?

I want to be able to just put my console on and play offline, without logging in or having something verified.

500 gb is not enough for installs. Blu ray games are huge. Is it the full game, or just some verification data that needs to be installed? How long will this take?

Disk bought from shop, put into console, game finished and lend to friends... What is wrong with this NORMAL process we follow with every other product? !!

[ramiuk1]

because they think that if nobody had a choice they would make billions a game.
what they dont realise is people dont want to play half the below average rubbish they make.
its like piracy,u watch a pirate game and they claim they lost £45,when you wouldnt pay £10 in a bargain bin cos its shite.
they are trying to force thinking we will bow to them.
we need to support SONY if there stance is different.
show publishers and Microshaft that the consumer makes the rules

[amiga-man]

Why would any logical person accept this?

Just say no people!!!!!!!!

[Hayabusa 117]

"Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing and Privacy Features - Ms confirms 24 hour check in"

It has been "confirmed" since the Xbox One's announcement. Not sure why you felt the need to add that, no one has questioned the 24-hour check in functionality because MS were quite clear about it. At least it seemed pretty clear to me.

[Droid Control]

I'm BEGGING the world: PLEASE don't buy an Xbone. For once stupid people everywhere, make the right choice.

Buy a PS4, buy a PC, hell, buy a Wii U - just don't give M$ your money!

[ricochetmg]

Buy anything but this Xbox one till they change the policy.

[Dfooster]

I think the "one" in "Xbox one" stands for how many units they are going to shift.

[altimako02]

all we have to do is not buy any console that has restrictions like this, no matter if its Microsoft or sony. if most people don't buy them they will have to change , so I for 1 am gonna wait to buy a console until they change their policy. because I have a policy not to buy a console with so many restrictions.

[badkolo]

policy sounds fine to me, they are fighting policy, nothing else changed basicaly, just a new way to do things. cant wait to get it

[JBallerX]

I have never seen posts from more whiners in my life. Everyone on here is screaming that this is doomsday for games and MS is killing gaming forever. Transition periods are hard to accept, and I'm thinking Sony will be doing the same thing. MS was smart to get this out before e3 and let Sony deal with heat after they announce their used games policy.

[Sadist3]

Funny, most of you guys complain about being online while playing your Xbox, but don't you have to be online to post a comment? Don't hear you complaining about that.

[silvacrest]

that's a pretty poor comparison

first, no one paid anything to post comments online

if it goes down okay, i didn't pay anything so should have no expectation

[JeffGUNZ]

It's a great comparison. The system is designed to be the future, always connected. You don't see the irony of people complaining about having the system hooked up online when people are on a website, online, typing comments about internet?

[Grave]

I think it's the fact that if you don't check in online you will not be able to play ANY of your games as the console locks you out of your games until you check in again. That is pretty shitty. Microsoft could of just said "We recommend you sign-in every once in awhile to make sure your games and system are up-to-date", not: Don't sign in? Fine. No XBONE for you.

[ZeV]

X ONE and Microsoft are dumbasses and the shittiest company i've ever seen !

FCK you MS ! I'll buy a PS4 day one !

[Sadist3]

I don't know about you guys, but I have a computer. And an ipad. And I kinda have to be online because who the hell has a computer that isn't online 24-7?

[Blachek]

**You are in control of what Kinect can see and hear: By design, you will determine how responsive and personalized your Xbox One is to you and your family during setup. The system will navigate you through key privacy options, like automatic or manual sign in, privacy settings, and clear notifications about how data is used. When Xbox One is on and you’re simply having a conversation in your living room, your conversation is not being recorded or uploaded.**

I like this section, knowing we can protect ourselves if we'd like... on the flip side though?

Can I opt into giving you access to everything I say, do, and watch in exchange for a cut of the fee you charge when selling my information?

[silvacrest]

so microsoft have killed selling used games on places like ebay? so i have to sell to places like gamestop who will give me crappy value for my games??

[JeffGUNZ]

They didn't announce their partnerships yet, but I'd be surprised if amazon and ebay are not in with it.

[SOULJER]

It's the death of console gaming as we know it. Some of you brain dead fan boys are to blame. So F-you, and Microsoft.

[Saleem101]

Look this is not about fanboy bs these companies are about violate your rights to buy and own physical copy of game you bought and work hard to get... Time stand up and starve these companies out by forcing them to lower cost on games or limit your purchases on new tittles... this will force these companies to either change there policy or go bankrupt. ..

[JeffGUNZ]

Basically this system will be great if you have internet. If you don't, it won't.

[James-GAMES]

does this mean xbox live is free now or will still u have to pay for internet access just play your game? Because if thats true microsoft can fuck off! PS4 all day!

[skyrimer]

this is the first time going into a new gen has been so easy, between crappyU and Extremely Attached Xbox1, PS4 all the way baby

[medman]

Heh..we here at Microsoft are so magnanimous..we will LET you give your game to one friend on your friends list free of charge. Fuck you Microsoft. Once I buy a game, I own the game. Why does this company feel it can restrict what I want to do with my game, including restricting who I can give and sell it back to? (I'm sure their "selected" retailers will give you absolutely next to nothing for a game you want to trade in). Wow. The hubris. If dummies buy this piece of shit console, you deserve the unbelievably anti-consumer treatment you will receive.

[farqy]

Hello x box reality check not everyone has internet yet. Picture this a road trip to the cottage there's no internet there so I cant pop in a game and play bullshit. I visit a friend and we have a game night oh sorry you have to bring your console too because you cant play on mine. Your game has been traded once, oh sorry its now a f'n coaster. Not everyone has money to buy crap loads of games. We rely on swapping with friends and trade ins to get maximum gaming out of our systems. If they are so much about the customer enjoying them selves then they are going about it the wrong way. The only issues with used game sales was developers losing money give them a cut Game Stop and lets just continue with the next gen of gaming. Oh and one last point in a perfect world there's no internet outages and just a reminder this isn't a perfect world!!!!

x box one go home better yet go f*** yourself

[Fadetoblack69]

As soon as this practice is accepted by the 'general' gaming community, the next console will be even MORE restrictive. Hope this one burns up in their faces.

[MatriXcian]

Im not sure how anyone even the biggest fanboys could spin this disaster into a good thing. A always connected console and complete control of your games aka your property. A bad future for gaming if Sony follows suit.

[comittoxcell]

""""Trade- in and resell your disc-based games: Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games. """"

This does not talk about the RESALE restrictions they are going to put on those PARTICIPATING retailers. Where the retailer to participate will have to sign T's & C's to be able to resale used XBox 1 games. Which by doing this will only give the retailer only 10 to 20% of the profit for the sale of the used games.

Now, I know people on here will be like f*** stores like GameStop but this is why it's bad. Right now if you get a new game it's 60 bucks lets say you beat it within a month and trade it in. GameStop will give 30 or more in trade for that game maybe more with promotions going on. They will then sell that game for $54.99 used and $49.49 with a power-up card.

This is where this hurts gamers like me who do not buy used but use their new games to trade in to get more new games at about half the price or less. If GameStop on gets 10 - 20% of $55 dollars that means they make about 5.50 to 11 dollars on the resale of the game.

So, why on earth would they offer you any more then 4 to 9 dollars for that 60 dollar game you just bought and on GameStops end why would they take the PR nightmare to even offer that to a customer. People complain now about getting 30 dollars for a game they paid 60 for.

This will kill the used game market and also will stop people like me for buying more NEW games.
Also it will kill the "Let me try this game out and see if I like it," purchasers.

[ricochetmg]

Trolls.

[ACEMANWISE]

The key phrase

"As we move into this new generation of games and entertainment, from time to time, Microsoft may change its policies, terms, products and services to reflect modifications and improvements to our services, feedback from customers and our business partners or changes in our business priorities and business models or for other reasons.  We may also cease to offer certain services or products for similar reasons."

This is why I don't like services. They can backstab you at any time.

[DJ]

I agree, like when Xbox Live went down for a whole week. Or when publishers randomly pull online support for games.

[Garrison]

IF MICROSOFT even has some sort of Moderate success with this then this type of BULLSHIT if GOING TO BE incorporated into every game system from now on forward.
EVERYONE WHO EVEN FUGGING CALLS THEMSELVES A GAMER should let everyone they know of this so MICROSOFT CAN FUCK THEMSELVES AND NOT US THE GAMERS PERIOD.

[Rob_From_GopRant]

Hi Guys and maybe some ladies.

I figure I start commenting, I’ve been following this site for awhile. It’s a good community because so many people are engaged in discussion. Anyhow - The wording by MICROSOFT was interesting. They must have gone through several drafts. How I interpret this information is simply one word, HASSLE. They just make everything a hassle.

I feel SONY might go in the same route when it comes to online gaming. They will leave it to the publishers but when it comes to playing used games it will have no restrictions for single player. You pop the disc in and can play it in any system except for the online multiplayer part in which you have to pay a fee to the publisher.

Publishers should release two separate discs for games - one for single player and the other for online gaming and have a fair rate. I seriously know people that hate online gaming.

(I am an old school gamer – I own every system ever created – including the Sega Master System and Jaguar 64.

I remember when I was a kid and my friend called me and said I just finished Super Metroid. I said I just finished Arcana. Let’s swap and try the other out. I jump on my bike and I’m off. I hope we can still continue to do that with no problems in the future.

[titans9999]

24 hour check in?? 24 HOUR CHECK IN??? F U MICROSOFT!!! If Sony goes this route I will NOT be buying a next gen console!! God damn this on line check in B.S.,,!!!

[Grave]

I own PS3, X360, and a PC. I will not be getting an XBONE, there's just no way. I want a console to be gaming-specific. As far as Microsoft's foray into the gaming world I say it's ONE and done.

[isyourhouseonfire]

Microsoft took about 75% of the market with the XBOX 360. If the XBOX ONE continues down this path of fine-tuning then expect Sony to be left with as little as 15% of the market. Good job to Microsoft, but what about the industry as a whole??

[DJ]

Microsoft took 25% of the gaming market while Sony took 30%. The rest was all Nintendo.

[DJ]

This officially just got MORE confusing. How the hell are we supposed to keep track of which games can be resold "at participating retailers" versus the games that can't be resold.

I don't like this the whole "lend to one person on your friends list only ONCE" bullshizzle either. We need to spread the word about how insane the rules for XBoxOne gaming are.

If PS4 ends up having similar stupid restrictions on used games, I can see myself buying an extra PS3 just in case my current one dies 5 years from now.

[DevilishSix]

This is a threat to the industry. Seems like used games haven't kept the industry from expanding for 3 decades to where its bigger than the music and movie industry.

So whats the problem really. It's greed. It is not that they don't make enough. They make hundreds of millions. If they are complaining or close shop it is most likely due to mismanagement.

There are fans in the Sony camp and there are some in the Microsoft camp. However, at the end of the day we are fans of games and these restrictions effect we gamers and our beloved hobby. All gamers have to make a stand now or you will be telling your children years from now about the good old days buying, owning, trading, selling games.

What I find curious is these companies want to do this to make more money, I would like to argue that I think they will make less money and may see market retraction or even a crash.

[Grave]

Here's a possible scenario: Let's say that your XBONE is like 10 min from its 24 hour check-in and then the XBONE servers go down for maintenance for 4 hours. You try to log-in and cant play any games until the servers are back online since your timer expired and now you are "locked out" of your game library. Is this possible?

[bobdog626]

Yes grave it is lets just wait 4 e3 and c if this mess can b fix ok

[Killman]

I am planning on trying to buy a 3DS XL next month. Hopefully the Animal Crossing bundle. You know what is great? I can play it right out of the box, after initial system setup of course. No internet connection required. I can just enjoy the games. It seems that Nintendo and Sony are still in touch with gamers here. They know what the original purpose of a games console is, GAMES. Yes, extra features are nice, but when you start jamming it down our throats, making it required, and having it impact the games on the console, you have basically failed.

To hell with you Microsoft and ANYONE who supports this sh*t. Gaming is supposed to be fun and these bastards are just destroying it.

[UnHoly_One]

So... Now that they've debunked most of the crap that everyone has been throwing a fit about for 2 weeks, what are all the Sony FanBabies going to cry about?

Think for a second before you reply, XB1 haters... If you think for one instant that publishers are going to release games for the PS4 without the EXACT same rules that they use on the XB1, you are going to be in for a rude awakening.

[Killman]

Well, if publishers do that, then so be it. I will not buy their games then. At least Sony is not telling me that if I do not have an internet connection for whatever reason, after 24 hours, I cannot play the games that I PAYED FOR.

Why are so many people willing to just take anything from MS? If Sony was doing the exact same bullsh*t requirements and was doing constant pandering to the cable/sports crowd as well, I would be just as pissed at them, but guess what, at this point, they are not doing any of that stupid stuff.

By the way, what was debunked? The used game thing? Sure, it is not AS bad as it was before, but it is still horrible. Guess what though? The console still requires an internet connection and Kinect to properly function. Even as a 360 owner, which I do enjoy that console, I WILL NEVER buy a console that will potentially keep me from playing a game that I PAYED FOR just because my internet service decides to go down for a few days. Spin this all you want, but MS has proven here quite well that the consumer is the last thing they care about. I know that the point of a corporation is to make money, but US, the consumers, are the lifeblood of the corporations. There has to be at least some empathy towards us. MS obviously has none at this point.

[iistuii]

I agree, Sony won't have a choice. If they don't do it they would wave goodbye to the likes of Battlefield COD Fifa NFS etc, What I've just been reading about giving to a friend, family playing your library from any console is all ok with me. Internet goes down, go outside & get some fresh air until it comes back on. Too many people finding excuses to hate, if you don't wanna buy the bloody thing, don't buy it, it's simple really. I remember the same hate for the 360, 70 million people didn't listen to the N4G crowd then, they won't now.

[iistuii]

Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.

Awesome for families like mine. I only need to buy one of each game from now on. Save me a fortune.
There is nobody who can try & spin this any way than amazing news.

[betan21]

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Anyone who cares about video games

[SKullDugger]

WOW! I don't like this at all to many open doors for MS to change this. I think MS I will follow SONY this time I have been a faithful XBOX 360 owner but not this time..

[demonicale666]

I was all set to buy this console, but the no renting of games has done it for me.

I'm from the UK and rent my games off lovefilm.com as i don't want to pay £45 for a single player game i'll play for a few weeks then never play again.

I only buy the games that have good multiplayer aswell as good single player.

My point is i won't buy a console that does'nt allow renting of games.

Now don't fuck this up Sony and you HAVE MY PURCHASE!

[SKullDugger]

I feel the same way I hope SONY has a better plan they said they won't adopt a plan that will push gamers away. Companies like gamefly buy thousands of copies of games from the publisher and then the gamers rent them no one gets hurt! Now the option with MS is gone for now. Why punish the gamer who supports the WHOLE industrie. Its like buying a new car but only one of your friends can drive it and he can only do that once. MS said they would listen to gamers Bullshit they lied.. They don't care..

[Kidmyst]

When I read through this I kept thinking, for all that MSFT is saying. What AREN'T they saying? Why write so much to explain this unless it's complex with fine print that needs to be read. If it sounds to good to be true, it probably is. Some does sound good but I'm playing this carefully. Not a day one buy for me, I'll wait to hear the stories months after launch and how things have been going.

[memots]

506 comments !!?

Holy shit.

I made up my mind a while back, Couple years actually.
The only way MS was getting me back was to get rid to Pay to play online.

[decapatata]

All I can say is EA and Activision must have given Don Mattrick one hell of a blow and unimaginable millions to secure this deal. Clearly, the publishers are paying Microsoft such an enormous fee that they are content to shed their loyal customers. I pray that the good people at anonymous start formulating a plan of attack and bring xbl to its knees for as long as it takes to get a digital rights Magna Carta signed.

[mikeyphi]

Gamefly just shit the bed...

[PerryCaravello]

DIE DIE!!! Xbox One!! DIE!!!!!

DRM mother fuckers!

I'm buying a PS4!!!!!

#PS4

Start putting #PS4 in all of your posts to show solidarity against the "green menace."

[wiz7191]

What would you do if Sony announced the same thing?? From my understanding Sony is leaving it in the publisher/developer hands. From my understanding used games makes the publisher/developer lose a lot of money.

[PerryCaravello]

Just wait until E3! Just wait until E3! It'll get better lol....

NOT

[blackthorn5]

no-one here realizes this is a gaming industry decision? not just Microsoft's?. keep thinking its Microsoft's idea.You see Nintendo and Sony will announce it as well.

[Arietos]

Microsoft is snow from yesterday. The only good combination for next gen is PC/Ps4 and nothing more. Only the next Elder Scrolls could make me buy this Piece of crap of a console.

[mmj]

Privacy features? Microsoft were the first company to sign up to the NSA monitoring, not surprised to see them pushing always on cameras and microphones in living rooms.

[Thepcz]

please dont support it, people.

[Zoomer76]

Why do you feel the need to inflict your bias opinions and try and influence peoples decisions to coincide with your own, I can understand you saying I aint buying it but why do you feel the need to try and convert or convince? Whichever console I buy does not affect you in any way shape or form!!!!

And I will be buying both consoles, not that that matters a jot to anyone here :-)

[Thepcz]

SOME PEOPLE ARE SHEEP WHO CANT THINK FOR THEMSELVES, I WILL GUIDE THOSE PEOPLE LOL

[GamersHeaven]

It's the end of Xbox they don't have the luxury like Sony and Nintendo they're not as big as them in the gaming industry. Gamers will speak with there wallets.Look what happened with PS3 this is far beyond what Sonys has ever done in terms of pissing of gamers and consumers off microsoft might as well call it quits now because the only hope they have left now is die hard fans (very few) TV fanatics is there main targets at this point i don't see them buying into this crap.

[Zoomer76]

I must be the only one on n4g that these changes dont hamper - I dont lend my mates games, why? Because they buy there own! If I dont like the game I can still trade it in- no problem there then. Microsoft are going to check in on me every 24hrs, well blow me down my 360 & PS3 are online constanly whenever they are switched on - so sony & ms can check my games legit whenever the hell they like.

[wiz7191]

Thats what Im saying, the changes dont really bother me at all.

[Father__Merrin]

HEY GUYS ONE OF THE MAIN FEATURE OF XBOX1 IS THAT FRIENDS AND FAMILY CAN COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND PLAY YOUR GAMES, NO REALLY.........THATS LISTED AS A FEATURE/BENEFIT OF XBOX1

[wiz7191]

Im still getting an Xbox One anyway, the used game policy and the always online thing doesn't really bother me. I don't lend my games to anybody and I have a great internet connection. I don't understand what the big fuss is about all the piracy, people getting their games stolen, and other nonsense that's been effecting this generation its madness. I just think people are just taking things wayyyyyyyyyy overboard.

[cheetah]

We can thank Activision for this. MS is in bed with them and they are the ones that have demanded this direction. Guaranteed.