SuperPhillip Central writes, "Things have been a bit messy with the Microsoft camp. If you're reading this site, you know doubt heard or read about it. A creative director for Microsoft's gaming division spoke out on Twitter, defending the idea of a console that is always online. That means that an Internet connection is always required to use the system's services and features. Well, unfortunately, Mr. Adam Orth said his comments in an incredibly rude and disrespectful manner. This not only insulted gamers, but even Xbox fans are up in arms. You can see an example of Mr. Orth's tweeting below. Now, we are in the stage of damage control for Microsoft.
While an always online next Xbox would be a bad thing to us, it's not the worst thing that we can think of that Microsoft could do with their third console. Here are four troublesome and worrying things Microsoft may have for the so-called "Nextbox.""
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correction: one employee.
edit: for those who disagreed with me, is my statement incorrect or are you just disagreeing with me for the heck of it?
@StongMan I have to agree with you, this article really states some problems that are true. MS really do have to change their direction by E3 but I doubt they can do that in that amount of time.
All that and you are still charged for online, it's a joke but it's not even funny anymore.
I see what this community is turning into...
"Developer on Xbox 720 always-online: "All I can say is be sure to pay your ISP bills"
http://n4g.com/news/1225967...
who are defending it? I bet m$ pays them to do so.
all this articles about the next xbox to be gone...
I'm tired of them, and clearly in the end, they don't say anything new.
People... either wait and see what MS has to offer to show in E3, OR stop flaming on that f**king "unanounced" corpse of the Next Xbox.
Suddenly everybody has "an inside source" that knows EVERYTHING! and suddenly everybody has an opinion on something THAT IS NOT EVEN OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCED!
Seriously though, N4G starts to look more like a site in which 2 fanatic religious groups are trying So hard to prove that their religion is the only and rightful one...
who are defending it? I bet m$ pays them to do so.
AraK
Zodd the immortal said its not impossible it does happen look! they paid this guy 134million that's million folks to discredit Google with the scroogle add Microsoft is a very cut throat company i know if they cant win they'll do anything Sony better watch it if Microsoft cant have their way..
like i said the only thing xboxlive do that PSN don't is cross media chat that's it i have both and that's the only thing my Xbox friends can talk to me about when we have a discussion
And for those of you delusional enough to think that Msoft pays internet trolls, they have bigger things on their minds. Internet trolls are just that - saps with nothing better to do, who will fanboy it up for free.
1. The idea of a console that is always online is a bad idea.
2. Blocked used games are a bad idea.
3. Let's talk about their extensive lineup of compelling first-party exclusives, or lack thereof. Between Halo and Forza, that's pretty much all that excites some people, myself included.
4. Then there's Kinect which is turning the XBOX brand into a casual games machine.
5. Microsoft's attitude with Xbox Live, I'm sorry, but having to have a subscription to play online with your friends is total garbage. Microsoft essentially became so arrogant that they raised the cost of their service from $50 per year to $60 per year. That's for the privilege of playing with your friends, various chat services, Netflix and YouTube (both free on other platforms).
It has nothing to do with being a Sony fanboy...but it has everything to do with being a gamer...
I totally agreed with your statement until the last bit. You are right it is not confirmed, but creditable sources such as Edge Online and sad to say Kotaku are coming out with information that usually is spot on. That is the reason for the hoopla. It has nothing to do with fanboyism...
My biggest issue is that this strategy is more aimed at the casual gaming market versus the hardcore gamers. The sad part about it is that no one has recognized that yet. Everyone is complaining about the concept without looking at the true meaning or intentions behind the move.
the employee was merely expressing his opinion.
and always online could mean anything. most likely, it's something akin to sony's sleep mode or never again having to sit through "connecting to xbox live" again because it always remains connected to xbox live even when you turn it off.
you can hold me to my word. I am 100% confident that the always online requirement is false and ms has nothing like it planned.
and when all the rumors are conflicting and never really correctly align, you should realize that something is up with the sources, which are most likely fake.
If it is are you seriously going to defend it?
And personally I would never buy a console that doesn't work as a stand alone gaming device. See it's my option if I so choose to get online for multiplayer or movies!!! It's my decision if I want to loan my game to a buddy. I paid for it!!! I should be able to do what I choose.
*I'm not going to pay $400 for a console with restrictions, requirements, fees, and or devices I deem unnecessary.
The way it sounds is pretty ugly!!
*Kinect Required
*Always online Required
* DRM required
*Block used games
What's wrong with the current business model in place? Why not continue to Build on it!! Don't restrict it.
Gamers/world aren't ready for the all digital console. Always online so you can always update monitor. And MS is/was considering forcing the issue down our throats upcoming gen. NO WAY!!! Maybe when Xbox 4 and PS5 come out that may be. Better make sure you get there first!!!
This rant was based solely on rumors and means absolutely nothing
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OUR problems !!! ???
If rumors are true, then it's not going to be OUR problems. The problems belong to the people that purchase the next Xbox.
I know it seems everyone that wants to turn a blind eye wants to call those in the Sony camp against the idea a fan boy, but I can look at the situation realistically and see beyond just one or two years how this may affect me, and other gamers, as well as developers. I don't speak out on this issue(or others like it from any console maker) because of console preference, I do so because I'm a consumer, and I like having at the very least the illusion of choice in my game purchases.
There are some issues that are simply bigger than console preference. And the console wars should stay out of it. It only makes the debate less effective because it becomes to easy to discredit those who have perfectly valid reasons for not liking the idea.
Hmmmmmmm! that's why they are choked and lost for words.
1. It will require a constant connection at all times to run games.
2. It will block used games.
3. Too much emphasis on Kinect.
I find this hashtag to be hilarious for some reason LOL
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"We love Halo as much as the next site,
but MS as a first-party needs more interesting I.P.s."
"We'd love the person who invented Kinect to see
how "large" most people's gaming spaces are."
Came in dead last in their 2nd attempt
And they seem to be in for a rocky start nextgen.
Just stop already with the shameful xbox nonsense microsoft.Come back to PC gaming, where you should of stayed.
Oh but it's definitive enough for you to say they absolutely haven't outsold the 360 !? And even to claim Sony is dead last ? Why don't you look it up yourself, it was a pretty big deal some time ago.
you say you want proof that Sony outsold MS but your own knowledge about which company had sold more up to this point was the same statistics that you whole irrelevant or insufficient. Sony had outsold MS for a while now, you can see it in the numbers. It would be a stupid idea for Sony to come out and gloat about having sold more units because (due to many other reasons I can think of) that could result in a response from MS that is bad for both companies (as in a economically disparate move on MS's part) for example, dropping the cost of Xbox significantly in order to save face. Not to mention that it would put Sony in the same position where many people criticized them for being 'arrogant'. well Sony is not going to make that mistake just as MS didn't make that mistake when they were ahead.
Damn...
It may however make them leave the console market for years.
Fear what? Despite all the success microsoft has had with the 360 true "Fact" is they have the least library of quality of exclusives out of the big 3. Name me one new quality exclusive microsoft has released for the 360 in the last 3 years? Oh thats right u cant because all of the quality games your getting can also be played on every other system lol. Im sure Sony & Nintendo are shaking in fear by the almighty 360 haha. Get real.
Sorry, I dont understand.
PS4 better and powerful hardware than new Xbox.
Multiplatform games better looking the PS4, exklusive games much better looking the PS4.
No power greater than x..?
They never look at things like Kinect Fusion and see what the device is capable of and being geared for. Kinect 1.0 may be more of a gimmick, version 2.0 should allow for a lot more and is moving in the inevitable direction of the controller.
And developers and publishers will protect themselves. And places like Gamestop will naturally disappear as we move to digital systems. Lack of Internet speed won't last forever for the majority. And as we move toward a service economy and away from a products economy.
But I guess most gamers are in the moment people. I think this generation will be a complete shock to them.
Here's a poll from over at GameFAQs:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/pol...
I guess that site's also full of Sony fanboys, since a ridiculous amount wouldn't support this crap, as opposed to quite a few here.
BTW are you stalking me. You seem to use your bubble to comment on my comments a lot.
No one argues that always on in some instances. Like if it prevents you from playing a game period. But lots of devices are always on and still work when not on thew Internet. Like your computer. You and many other fanboys have taken always on as meaning games won't work unless they are online. You all are also ignoring that the PS4 will be the same way. Sony said it was a always on device themselves.
I think this is a publisher right if they choose to use it to stop a game from working if not online. But I believe these games have to be marked on the box as being that. Mainly so that I can avoid buying those games. Though I will say that there are many games(most)that I get strictly for the online component. In those cases it won't matter.
I don't buy Battlefield for the single player experience. It's useless to me offline. Skyrim or Dragon's Age would be different and I would avoid them like the plague if they had to be connected. And I reallly, reallllly want another Elder Scrolls.
I think that online may register a game for consumers. And it may be a way to keep games from being leaked from developers early. Game can't play until a certain date unless online and won't work unless attached to machines that they know should be using it at that point. But I don't believe they will do this on AAA titles. It would cost them too much money.
I have no problem with blocking used games. There are ways around borrowing and giving away games like license transfers and temporary licenses. There used to be disposable DVD rentals that had a temporary license. You can already do that with the 360 when you transfer the license of Arcade games to a new console.
But if MS does this, Sony will too. If publishers think it is to their advantage they will force it. If it causes low install bases they will drop it. But it will be tried.
-No used games
-Too much focus on Kinect
-Pay to Play Online
Each one of these "Features" individually is enough to make me go with PS4, just think about what these features would do if they all end up being true.....
Sad.
And for another thing, all this doom and gloom, where did MS ever say the 720 will require the always online? Last I heard they haven't announced anything confirmed specs
if it's required to be online just to be able to play single player games, that's not such a good thing.
and you're right, they haven't said anything about the next xbox, but it's pretty telling when your creative director openly defends such a feature on the internet.
personally, i'm waiting to find out from MS before i pass any judgement because there are some pretty scary kinect-related rumours that i do not agree with at all, and i hope that those rumours are false.
Could we please, please, PLEASE stop speculating on rumours as if they are 100% confirmed? I am all for discussion about what an always online console could do, and what would be the negative and positive aspects of the device? The clearly brand preference driven back and forth between people is getting back to that 2007-2008 level of drivel and childishness.
I won't be thrilled about an online only console, but if it turns out to be true I would be interested to at least see how they rationalize the feature. It's not like we are starving for choices, between the PC, PS4 and Wii U you have plenty of places to throw money at instead of Microsoft.
http://i.minus.com/ibwI1puh...
Goodluck selling that Xbox720 on those countries. I'm pretty sure sony will dominate lol.
History repeat itself again, but this time on MS's side..
Why would MS do this with the XBOX 720 and not do it with their software for computers? Windows 8 needs to be online to work? Excel, Powerpoint, MS Office in general... all needing to be online to use? That would be very unrealistic wouldn't it?
You wouldn't be able to work on anything if your internet was down. No pulling out the laptop on flights to work on your latest work project.
No doing school work without being able to connect to the internet. No playing solitaire without hooked up to the internet.
Sounds a bit crazy doesn't it? So does the thought that I can't use a system without internet connectivity. Why do I even need a console if I am required to be online? Why then wouldn't I just get Steam and play online?
When my connection goes out... I toss in some Skyrim and enjoy some adventuring until it comes back-up.
With the new XBOX 720 policy of needing to be online all the time then maybe I will be forced to go outside when the internet goes down? Isn't that dangerous? Aren't their animals outside? What is that bright light in the sky that almost looks as bright as the sun in Battlefield 3? ;)
Online all the time? As it is now my kids are playing some arcade games and the internet keeps having issues and logging them offline. And with the current games it forces them to log back in to play the game. So every few minutes they have to keep logging back in just to play. (we have 2 systems in our house... my kids no longer have XBL Gold)
I could imagine this being with all games on the XBOX 720 and I would then be forced to move to an area that has better internet connection or move to another system?
I hate moving... so I guess I would have to start computer gaming again? That is until MS makes my Windows online only.... then I am screwed again!
Always online would guarantee me to jump ship to Sony.