GC: "Xbox 720 rumours are flying thick and fast, and it seems the always-online rumour is getting more credibility."
This is quickly turning into MS's, "You have to work more to buy a PS3" comment. They have to be trolling at this point. Either themselves or their fan base. Then again, its not like gamer community has ever really stood by its online protests.
this is going to cost M$ customers for sure..
Not sure if it will cost them. 3rd parties love the whole anti piracy bullshit move. What if microsoft gets more support from them because of this move which in turns gets people to buy the console because its where the games are.... All i want is for them not to be rewarded for this shit move if true.
^^^ And ignore the MASSIVE install base the PS4 is sure going to get (even helped more so from this VERY inconvenience to consumers)??? Unlikely...
Kaz's response http://i.imgur.com/rixjoS6.... WIN! after this backlash if MS dont change or alter this, they are done.I mean a delay to the release is well worth not having this .... "feature"
^^ thats not actually kaz btw
it may not be Kaz but that was funny. EDIT: this is funny too... http://www.quickmeme.com/me...
Damn funny but Edit Dammit nix, I was saying that.
guess it's true then, only thing left is for Ballmer to dance around in a big stage yelling "always-online". stupid and crazy, someone needs to tell MS core gamers are a tough crowd, just ask SEGA, Nintendo and Sony. oh well, many will be saving 400-500$+ years of Live subscriptions.
Saw this on GAF brilliant.
Whoever is behind that fake Kaz twitter is one brilliant individual.
@sithslyar the ps4 will have all the games and then some with better quality and better everything. at this point the only actual related game thing ms has is halo which is the only thing. one game which is no longer good should not make you pick a system thats trying to make you a slave to the system especially when the alternative is far better in ever single way. let go of your crap achievements everyone will be gaming on the ps4. why are people fighting the ps4 and still trying to protect ms? do you work for them because as a gamer at this point it doesnt make any logical sense. id like somone who wants the next xbox to tell me why so i can show you why everything you say will be on the ps4 and better except for halo thats not even being made by bungie anymore.
Apple drove Microsoft mad I tell ya.... who else is expecting an iBox 720??
like i said i told you so just doesn't cut it anymore I TOLD YOU SO lol what if everything we heard has rumors and hear say is true damn
I hope you xbox guys learn ur lesson. This is what you get for supporting their sleezy ways. No surprise here all.
EVERYONE remembers when PSN was down for an insane amount of time. Stuff like that happens. Internet service providers have service problems and so do the consoles with their services. Xbox Live went down for a week during christmas one year. What everyone is seeming to forget is that while PSN and LIVE and your ISP are down, you could still play single player games on both consoles. MS is going to make it so you can't even do that next gen. It is pretty sad and unfortunate.
So I guess if the rumors are indeed true, they must be thinking like "why not go a bit further this time around?" Just think about it. There are xbox gamers still defending their "pay-to-play online" policy with just "xgame chat is worth the $60 a year fee!" Sony has proven that online can be offered for free and the Vita can do xgame chat with ease over a FREE network! So...I can see that this is something that MS would do, knowing that they are dominating the US market and what can't ads do to help sell their next console to those unknowing masses? After all, they spent millions upon millions on ads every year. Remember the $500m budget for Kinect's ads. And then remember the XBL commercial with the LBP song? They lied in the face with that ad and THAT is definitely how they will market their nextbox.
Bullshit! What is with the PS community? How fucking dare any of you try and dictate which console anyone buys. I'm buying the next Xbox now solely out of spite of ps fanboys. And as far as I'm concerned the next Xbox is still a good year and a half away. But I bet you there will be multiple levels to the Xbox live service. Gaming will most likely be the lowest level but will still be pay to play. I have never used my 360 for anything else other than games and watching tv and movies off the computer. This will not change wheb the next box comes out. Plus 90% of the apps and partnerships the Xbox live services have aren't supported in Australia. So the drm is pointless. Apart from foxtel cable tv, which if I did have is unmetered usage through my ISP.
Microsoft should call the 720 "Zune Box", because If this rumor is true I believe it will turn out disastrous.
The difference between the arrogant "You have to work more" comment and "Why would you live in a place without reliable internet anyway" comment is that, the former is simply arrogant and nothing else, but the second tells up how the platform is intended to work and affect the platform through-out its life cycle.
Adam Orth?!? Is that you?
@hesido, Do you hear yourself? Seriously the the comment about why would you live in an unreliable internet connection area is more arrogant. Mainly because some individuals can't help where they live. Its not there fault basic cable can't get to them. People own farms and such would have this issue because of that. This also affects individuals that live on hills where the only connection is satellite based. The comment about working more is not arrogant at all; why you might ask, because if it was a new phone, or new speakers, or TV, or such; most people would work a little extra to get what they want. Its harder to move than to work a little extra.
The disagreers did not get it: (I don't think anybody got it) "You have to work more" is arrogant, and bad, but it does not affect anybody's experience of the console. "You have to live somewhere else" is indeed MORE arrogant, and for places with problematic internet access, it signals that people will have hampered experiences throughout the life-cycle of the console, and it is WORSE.
I'm expecting too much from people to read between the line.
seriously, it didn't sound like sarcasm...and if that was the case I take back what I said...
The comments were obvious trolling if this guy was really a ms employee maybe he was disgruntled ... But going all elitist about where people live is beyond stupid ... Society needs farms, rural development, etc ...WE cant all live in the city ... What are we all gonna eat mcdonalds ? Lol
No not really? I'm sure the internet bill will be the same. I dunno why or how it would go up. I use my internet heavily and no surge in the bill. But the rumor is stupid nonetheless and its even stupider MS is defending this. I think its time for MS to come clean, and enough BS'in. EDIT: Ok wait a minute this technically coming from MS. I hope they are trolling or playing mind games, Because its getting dumb.
It isn't about your bill going up, it's about you paying your bill so you have internet period. Meaning if you don't have internet, you can't use the Nextbox.
@ DragonKnight, how do you know you can't play it off line? That makes no sense. I'm sure the system will be designed for internet connection, meaning better features, better smoothness, etc. We still haven't seen anything saying you can't play offline.
@ JeffGUNZ, that's true but if that was the case why not just defend the "feature" by saying it won't require it instead of being a smart ass?
Millions of morons will be lining the streets to buy this piece of crap anyway so online protests will be a vocal minority and gamers are to good at arguing amongst each other to come together and protest crap like this.
"are to good at arguing amongst each other to come together and protest crap like this." Hey man, gamers on the PS3 have, for 6+ years now, been telling the Xbox 360 gamers to stop paying for stuff that is free EVERYWHERE else. So in my eyes, they've made their beds and now it's time to sleep in it. Or get a PS4. They've defended every single thing Xbox 360 related. From RROD, to Disc Scratching, to Overpriced hard drives and Wifi Adapters, $500 millions for Kinect advertising, lack of exclusives, $50 million for GTA timed exclusives DLCs. I mean, the list goes on and on.... So what better ways could MS possibly thank them, than by doing this? Kinect was the ultimate proof that MS needed to show them once and for all that they can sell "sh!t on a stick" to millions as long as they advertise it. Kinect's budget was $500 millions, Expect the Xbox 720's budget to be close to 4 times that at a cool 2 billion.
So the people who've got the money to afford both are morons. Be a gamer, not a hater, plus we need to invest more money in american products anyway. And the Ps2 was just as faulty as the 360 but that didnt stop people from buying it over the original xbox.
@ cupidviper - you make some good points ... I bought my 360 used so I never thought about all the extras but the noise of it, no wifi and xbl bills still pissed me off ... That and they do not let you remove your own credit card online... Fn bs
Zha1tan Zodd the immortal like that well f#cking said man i add some bubbles for that one
Microsoft MUST respond to this and quickly. Even if it turns out to be untrue, there will be millions of gamers out there that still think it IS true. With no reply from MS thus far, we can only assume there's some truth to it though ... I wonder if it's too late to change their policy? I'd imagine MS have managed to strike some pretty sweet exclusive deals with devs because of this (if it's true of course)
MS conducted a survey recently and the results were a resounding NO about this always on malarkey. If MS do go ahead with it, then it really does speak volumes about Microsoft as a company. But you're right; a response needs to be forthcoming very soon.
Why would the same people who read these rumors not read the hard facts when it does come eventually? There will be plenty of time to get the truth out before people make their purchases.
@MikeMyers Boy your are making too much sense. Oh, i forgot "sense" is not a word in the N4G dictionary. :)
@Mikemyers: Because everyone will have heard this news now, even those that don't come on sites like this very often and those that have friends who will tell them. Once it's out there it's almost impossible to take it back. People will still believe it even if it's not true. Then you'll have people who will preorder a PS4 based on this between now and when it's finally admitted or retracted. Not ALL of those people will cancel that preorder. This needs an official response from MS because if they don't it gets more and more likely it's true. And even if MS don't go this route, people will assume it's because of the stink this is creating ... which of course will lead them to believe that MS may reintroduce it at a later date.
I understand what you're saying Gribble and there is probably some truth to that but likely on a very minor scale. Those who are already per-ordering the PS4 were likely to do it anyways regardless of these rumors. Microsoft wont comment because they don't want to even announce its existence yet. Everything seems to be in secrecy. So if they say its not true then that admits there's a new Xbox. We all know its coming but Microsoft no doubt wants to make a big splash when they do announce it. Likely not until E3. This isn't helping matters, you're right, but it the end if its not true then it's likely not to matter. This E3 will also have mainstream media and known TV coverage. So anyone who still believes these rumours if they end up not being true after that will have to live with whatever they pre-ordered without knowing the facts. We don't even know all the detas yet on the PS4, and more importantly the price. It's amazing how frantic the forums get over anything.
It's gone viral now though. I can't totally disagree with you on some of those points of course, but I do believe just a simple statement from MS could stymie any serious fallout from this. Here are some of the sites that have now covered this story: Amaebi.net 3DJuegos CNET CNET AU CNET UK CVG Destructoid Develop-on Digital Spy Eurogamer Eurogamer Portugal Eurogamer Sweden Game Informer Game Revolution Gameplanet GameReactor Sweden Gematsu Huffington Post IGNth It' Inside-Games.jp Jeux Video Joystiq JVN Kotaku Mashablere Meristation Metro UK MTV UK Official XBOX Magazine Penny Arcade Power Unlimited Shack News Technobuffalo TechRadar The Escapist The Verge TheSixthAxis Vandal vg247
@ Gribble Not to mention memes are starting to be made from the situation.
What MS could say is they have no interest in creating a game console that must require an online connection at all times without mentioning the next Xbox. I'm starting to think they will have some sort of validation code or the game disc having a handshake so to speak with the hardware. We all know the Xbox 360 was pirated and we also seen the rise in online codes to try and curb used games sales now. The worst case scenario for me is that MS comes out and says it needs to be online at all times and will not be offering a free way of playing multiplayer. That would be an instant no buy from me. But again I' not going to jump to conclusions and write if off until I know for sure. If people want to believe everything off the net that's fine.
Yes M$, bring the Xbox into extinction HURRY!!!
If any of this is true, say goodbye to my Gold Membership. PSN+ will get my money!!!
Again, M$ has announced nothing, period.
Thats kind of the problem. A simple "We are not considering implementing always online for future hardware designs at this time" would minimise the damage. Now its too late. The big issue is that if they are going down this route releasing that information on their terms in their own way could have lessened the impact. Instead we hear it from the mouth of an arrogant obnoxious toss pot and thats how people are taking it. If MS make no comment before the end of the weekend its going to cost them millions in lost sales. They need to do some serious damage control right now.
@sithsylar It's called the crash of the gaming industry.
you dont need 2 jobs to afford the xbox720 you to move to another dam state for great internet access.
All I know is that if this is true, and people still buy the new xbox, it'll prove that people will let anything or anyone stomp all over them, let us Ps fans enjoy our console, and let xbox people "enjoy theirs" there's only so much we can do to warn them to avoid M$ dirty business practises, in time they will realise their mistake, stubbornness cannot be cured. Let's only care for our future as gamers and support our company.
Something tells me that the reason why Microsoft isn't talking about the 720 this early in the year is because of this crap. They know this is going to cause controversy
Which has now officially - whether they say so or not - exploded because of this.
really ?! then what the hell is happening right now ?!!
1 big PR nightmare for MS. Also they cant fire the guy cause it will only fuel more rumors. I think he has learned not to tweet about his job in such a manner even if its against a friend. The internet where your stupidity is recorded forever. http://www.quickmeme.com/me...
It always ran in my mind why microsoft never ended these rumours because they are always quick to debunk rumours & are always 1st to it when it comes to sales but these rumours have been floating around for quite some time now. Also the guy who got arrested for durango info is more proof alot of these rumours maybe true & is why microsoft is so quiet.
They are not quick to debunk. They usually say we do not comment about rumors or speculation. That is usually their response.
Sony is the one famous for this type of response. Ms tries to spin most of the time, but it is still true that MS is NOT saying anything, shying away from something.
Yet they havent even said anything which leads me to believe these rumours are true.
Well there goes his future, since they found him out. It would be funny as hell if they are just feeding the trolls. But it would be sad if they weren't
Anyone got any popcorn because this is going to get good. Now people get ready for those who think always online is a GOOD idea because there is going to be. It happened all the time when diablo 3 bent us over and yeah. We all know how that ended up.... Regretting it and so on. Always online will stop me playing games i think.
ISP bills... bills.... Woah... just a shot in the dark. Yes, an assumption. But what if they're hinting at making its 'service' (whether it be Live, or just to have the xbox,) a monthly-pay thing? I mean, I can see them thinking: "Wow! Our last generation was so successful with its Live Service! Maybe we can milk it a little more and get by with pushing live a little further and making it a monthly-paid plan" EDIT @Software_Lover Oops. I was unaware. Guess I'm pretty ignorant. Thanks so much for the explaination, friend!! :)
They already have those, for the people that do not want to pay for the year.
Isn't it now $15 a month under the $99 leasing deal? Buy it at that price, then be locked into XBL Gold for two years? With all the apps currently on and coming to the 360, all the media plans that they have talked about when they've actually talked, I expect another price hike announcement this E3 if not a whole change in how they do XBL.
Godmars Yes, that pricing scheme is ridiculous.
what i wanna know is what person is stupid enough to pay $15 a month for LIVE when they can just pay the one shot $60 for the year? sometimes i wonder do people think things through before they throw their money at something. i would never pay for a monthly subscription on a console or service when i can just buy the damn thing outright. besides i'm not paying to play online when i already pay my cable provider for use of my online.
You're buying an Xbox - fully featured I'm assuming - with a down-payment of $99 then then paying off the rest over two years through the higher priced XBL. $15 a month over two years or 24 months is $360. With the $99 that's $459 total.
Haha slick of him. But this does suck. I think the real problem is that consumers really don't like things pushed on them. Thats what MS is getting right now; people who don't like requirements that seem unnecessary. The only reason they're doing this is so that they get some more interest from third parties (the only explanation for this is to fight piracy). But at it's face it's not a smart move. Like people are saying this is turning into a PR disaster and the more I hear about this the more it looks like an integral part of their platform and something they wouldn't just abandon. I was hoping pressure would cause them to cave. But now that their employees are defending this move so arrogantly, I'm not so hopeful. This is on the level of no rumble and getting an other job to buy a PS3. This is not good. Some people wont have any issue with this and thats fine. But there are people who have a problem with this like myself. I'm a legit customer of theirs (not a fanboy taking shots at them). I intended to buy the new Xbox but not if they're going to require Kinect and an online connection just to play games. Thats too invasive. Thats a no-go.
"This is on the level of no rumble and getting an other job to buy a PS3. This is not good." How in the world is this on the same level as a vibrator in a controller that was likely left out from a lawsuit at that time or a little humor/arrogance we think the PS3 is good enough you would work a second job to buy 1? Their not even comparable. Microsoft's rumored plan is something(a payed service) that's needed to play games and the rumble is not needed to enjoy a game, there's some games I end up just turning it off.