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If rumor is true, the next Xbox gives a big middle finger to gamers not wanting always-on gameplay

I'm boiling over with anger right now. If the rumor report by Kotaku today is true, there's going to be a lot of gamers just as angry as I am. Kotaku reported that two of their sources are saying the next Xbox, codenamed Durango, will be an always-online system.

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TheLyonKing4057d ago

I think ms are doing that to gamers right now! This past year and a bit has been a snoozefest.

This always online is going to suck for a lot of places in the Middle East or any remote area in western countries! I hope it isn't true.

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sengoku4057d ago

don't explode just yet, M$ have said nothing yet!

_-EDMIX-_4057d ago

???? Are we still trying to get folks to believe that? LOL! Look its all but confirmed to be true. Can you even name a console that has released these past 10 years that NOTHING was leaked about prior to announcement?

The same sources that have leaked PS4....are leaking this same damn system. To say its a "rumor" or "fake" is just down right stupid. At this point, I'm taking it as a damn fact. As to weather or not MS want to keep it in due to all the negative press is really up to them, but Kotaku is pretty much saying those new devkits HAVE IT IN! ie 720 will STILL have this always on DRM.

Too many sources are saying the same damn thing. Buddy....its true.

sengoku4057d ago

i'm just saying everybody should take it easy man.
true or false, nothing has been announced so it's still 50%/50%
i can see it happening but that doesn't mean it will.

BabyTownFrolics4057d ago

Rabid fanboys up in here they smell blood there is no room for reason

Cam9774057d ago

Haha! Xbox fanboys boast about their "superior" online service, yet when a rumour details MS' plans to take that a step forward they complain?!? Right... Enjoy hanging on threads with those remarks.

dedicatedtogamers4057d ago (Edited 4057d ago )

If anyone can convince their followers to believe that always-on DRM is a good thing, it would be Microsoft.

"Okay, so HD-DVD failed, but at least we have Netflix!"
"Okay, so RRoD is widespread and horrible, but at least we have the warranty!"
"Okay, so the warranty can sometimes take weeks to get me a new sytem, but at least it was free!"
"Okay, so all of our games are going multiplatform, but at least we have...multiplatforms!"
"Okay, so we have to pay for online that is free everywhere else, but at least we have cross-game chat!"

From overpriced hardware and wi-fi antennas, to unwanted changes to the dashboard, to a steep drop in exclusive support, to a massive shift over to casual gaming with Kinect, the 360 loyalists have never failed to make excuses for Microsoft.

And no one can dare say "Sony and Nintendo fanboys do that, too". No. The only fanboys on the same level of denial are Apple cultists. The Sony crowd ate humble pie for years while PS3 played catchup and while PSP (and now Vita) were the 2nd-place handheld. Nintendo fans ate humble pie as the Wii's library continued to be devoid of compelling, hardcore games for years and years. At least they'll acknowledge the shortfalls of their preferred company.

Besides, Persona 2 taught me that The Joker always makes rumors come true.

Gazondaily4057d ago

"The Sony crowd ate humble pie for years"

Haha you have got to be kidding me. Lol I'm sorry but your post was just ridiculous. And let me show you why:

Sony exec said, get two jobs or work overtime to buy our console. You swallowed any pride and said okay. Sony said their device wasn't a dedicated gaming machine but an entertainment device. Sonys last minute attempt to copy Nintendo came up with the SixAxis but you defended it. For all its cost it couldn't do basic voice chat like the old Xbox could but you said it's okay, we have Skype. The complex CELL architecture meant most third party games ran better on the Xbox than the console you were supposed to get two jobs for, but you said, oh developers are lazy, they are to blame (and now Sony has done a u-turn and you're happy). Mandatory installs made the console import the worst aspect of Pc gaming into console gaming but you said, oh go make me a sandwich and do something else for 10 minutes (now Sony made a concerted effort to make gameplay instantaneously and you rejoice).

Sony fans never ate humble pie (not the ones here that's for sure). Sony was supposed to crush its opponents when it came into its stride remember? But that clearly didn't happen. Sony fans on this site are the worst:
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Sony against MS: Lol Kinect- you have no exclusives but forget about a generation that had an unprecedented third party presence in the industry. Then you scoff at the (admittedly few) exclusive MS has desperately trying to downplay the likes of Forza, (where all of a sudden review scores are mired in conspiracy) Gears and Halo (the latter of which Sony still hasn't got an answer for). MS came up with achievements? Oh they basically copied some obscure game that had that (clearly not understanding the nature of the feature or making excuses not to give credit where credits due)

Sony vs Nintendo: 'Lol look at the weak specs. Oh and same old ip's lol. No one wants Mario 100'. Yeah okay kids. Just look at the sheer quality of Mario 64 or Galaxy. And look at the qualitity of the Zelda titles. Nintendo are always at the forefront of innovation but no, the raw tech specs are all many fanboys, especially Sony ones, are what the are concerned with. Which amusingly, leads us to:

Sony vs PC: 'lol no one has money for a $2,000.00 PC because that is the money you require to get a decent gaming computer. Oh and Killzone still looks better than your games'

Where does this superiority complex come from in Sony fans? I'm most likely to game primarily on the PS4 but the attitudes of Sony fanboys as a whole, and I'm talking about the majority on here, not the usual trolls is just plain moronic. You tout the importance of games so much but seldomn act like gamers, bullying others with your hypocrisy and ill informed, sensationalist garble.

Take this article for example. It's just a rumour. Are you forgetting the rumours about blocking used games before Sony unveiled the PS4? Remember how Sony said nothing before the unveiling? Apply the same standards here.

Maybe Persona should have taught you that a Joker with an agenda wants rumours to be true.

lastofgen4057d ago

this always online rumor began with-- the dev got durango devkits that required an always-online connection so that they could always remain verified/secured and be given instant and up-to-date updates for the kit.

this always online thing probably has nothing to do with the final product.

Freedomland4056d ago

What's wrong with always online, if you don't like it, don't buy it because Microsoft like their product this way, so be it.
Ok by me.

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GalacticEmpire4057d ago (Edited 4057d ago )

Are there any gamers that WANT always on DRM?

Whether you believe all publicity is good publicity or not, the rampant negative press towards the Xbox 3 is having an adverse effect on gamers perceptions of Microsoft as a gaming company.

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xander707694057d ago

Well it shouldn't be causing negative perceptions towards Microsoft because Microsoft hasn't said a peep yet. As far as I'm concerned this is all speculation and until Microsoft officially confirms or denies rumors I'll reserve my anger and perceptions.

It would be nice if Microsoft would just set the record straight now instead of staying silent, but at the same time Microsoft doesn't have to make a public announcement every time people start spreading rumors. No company does.

If Microsoft does require always online connection, they will definitely lose a customer right here though. There is no way I will purchase that, simple as that. I own a ps3 and Xbox 360, I love my 360 and I hope to get the ps4 and nextbox, but if rumors come true I'll be sticking with Sony exclusively.

GalacticEmpire4057d ago

Sadly, those who are patient and open minded enough to hold off judgement are the minority. MS's silence is only hurting the situation if anything, like the article states,

"...if it wasn't true, why wouldn't Microsoft just squash it now so that there's not a negative connotation surrounding their next Xbox?"

rainslacker4057d ago

Good question. Maybe the people that are OK with the idea can tell us what compelling reason there is for an always-online connection on a game console. I'll even concede before hand that we don't have all the facts. I'm just talking hypotheticals, and people are free to speculate on the meaning of a required always-on connection. For this hypothetical, I say that it is required to play your games...as in not optional. Further, if your connection goes down, your system is useless. I'll await some positive answers.

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Rusty5154057d ago

I highly disagree. With this new Xbox 720 feature, it gives Microsoft the upper-hand against their competitors concerning video game piracy. This is a really smart business move on Microsoft's part. ...said no one ever.

TKCMuzzer4057d ago

It's a valid point. But forcing people to have an internet connection to play single player games is not the answer. Many people don't want to be constantly connected by 'choice' and that's the key word. On another note I know plenty of people who bought a second 360 because of how easy it is to mod and get copied games for, I should imagine around the world that tallies up.
Microsoft need to be careful, they have not really been great in the last couple of years as they seemingly distance themselves from the core gamer.
They will need a good showing, good games and most importantly something different with Xbox live, because paying just to play online won't be enough next time round.

This is my opinion, I got rid of my Xbox 360 due to Microsoft's dogged stance on Xbox live. I could not even play multiplayer demo's without a Gold account, demo's, that's ridiculous. Sony offered so much more for £40 a year and in these times that's were my money goes and a long way with that.

I'm interested to see what happens next....

Gimmemorebubblez4057d ago

Sony filed a patent for antipiracy offline software which measures the load times on the blu-ray disk.

pete0074057d ago

future is allways on line, my pc is allways online, my iPhone is allways onlime, my dog is allways online, i am allways online, see the matrix and youll find out where will we be in the future!!! lol

clintagious6504057d ago (Edited 4057d ago )

Thats not the problem. The real problem is NOT EVERYONE has internet. MS will be leaving out alot of consumers with this do to having to be online just to play your game. Us gamers who have internet is a small percentage of potential buyers. MS should just come out & get rid of these rumours.

IronFistChinMi
So your telling me that sum users dont have a 2nd account? Get real bruh. Also the user base is smaller then u think due to rrod. Same can be said bout the any other system.

IronFistChinMi4057d ago

That's BS. Microsoft have 40 million+ subscribers to Live, they've sold over 70 million 360's. How is that a small percentage of gamers with internet?

TKCMuzzer4057d ago

@IronFistChinMi
But that means by your maths there could be nearly 30 million 360's not online, that's 30 million possible game purchasers, that's a lot of revenue. Even 10 million would be a big loss.

I agree it's not a small percentage of gamers as the above suggested but Microsoft would risk losing many customers and ironically it's more likely to be the casuals who we know they are trying to attract.

IronFistChinMi4057d ago

@TKCMuzzer Microsoft pull in close to a billion dollars per year through Live; http://kotaku.com/5581839/x...

Microsoft won't be making a lot of money from those gamers who don't use Live, so they probably deem it worth the risk. I don't think it's a good idea, but they'll turn a profit regardless.

IronFistChinMi4057d ago (Edited 4057d ago )

@clint See my link above. Cold, hard numbers man. 2nd accounts doesn't matter when the money pours in like that.

As for your smaller user base theory, provide numbers. My launch 360 died December 2008 after a 1.5 years, got a free replacement 9 days later. Refurbished 360's don't count towards Microsoft's sales figures.

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rainslacker4057d ago

The difference is, that's your choice. Not everyone chooses the same, or even has that choice. Mandatory is just the wrong way to go, but optional is perfectly fine, and it's even what many do now.

Also by your comment it seems that you can truly state that you are online 100% of the time. Never has your internet gone down. Never have you had to wait hours or days when your ISP decided to do something, or the servers that run your precious games haven't gone down or been hacked.

Future is not always online. No more than it is F2P or digital distribution. Stop accepting things blindly just because you think it doesn't affect you. Look at everything from a consumer standpoint, because eventually something will affect you and you will feel exactly like many people do now over the very thought of this rumor.

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Microsoft's Absurd Antics Have Me Scared For Dishonored And Arkane Lyon's Future

With Arkane Austin no more and Lyon living for who knows how long, the superb Dishonored is in serious danger; Microsoft cannot be trusted.

Relientk778h ago

I love the Dishonored series so much and really want Dishonored 3. Microsoft better not screw this up.

JEECE5h ago

I mean, I think the fans will probably kill Arkane Lyon by cooking up reasons to hate whatever they do next without playing it. I've never seen a game so artificially disliked as Deathloop.

thesoftware7305h ago

Lol, why don't we just say, we are worried about all studios owned by MS now. They will keep closing studios until they have none left ...🙄

Skuletor2h ago

Just merge them all into a single studio, have it churn out a single Call of Duty every year and call it a day, lol.

Barlos2h ago

Don't be scared, you'll be fine.

Skuletor2h ago

It's exputer, fine is one word I would not associate with them.

Profchaos1h ago

I think it's becoming clear based on matt bootys comments there's no future for any IP that can't sell above 10 million within the launch window. But is also a small game that gives them prestige

/S it's beyond a joke right now

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More Job Losses At Xbox, “There’s More To Come”: Paul Thurrott

Paul Thurrott in a recent episode commented on the on-going Microsoft fiasco hinting at more job losses and that "there's more to come".

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Sonic18812d ago (Edited 2d ago )

There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future . Xbox has to pay Microsoft back. It might take two decades to do that.

sagapo2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I don’t understand what you’re saying. Xbox IS microsoft so there’s no “paying back “.
And MS gross profit in 2023 was over 140 billion dollars so forget your 2 decades.

Unless you mean the money MS invested in Xbox (acquisitions included) and the time it will take for xbox as a brand to gain that money back on it’s own, then yeah, that could take a while.

romulus232d ago

The better term to use might be return on investment, xbox is simply a division of Microsoft one that MS can easily do away with if profit margins are not met. So in that regard he's right, if xbox isn't showing the expected return on investment the higher ups are expecting than it's unlikely Microsoft will acquire any other studios any time soon, especially if they are spending billions buying developers just to shut them down in the end.

MrBaskerville1d 16h ago (Edited 1d 16h ago )

Xbox is a division that they discussed shutting down but doubled down on after Gamepass was pitched.

It needs to make money at some point. Big money.

KwietStorm_BLM1d 16h ago

So you do understand it or..?

rokos1d 14h ago

According to Statista the net income of Microsoft is about $72.4 billion dollars which is a bit lower than last year profit. That is almost as much as Activision's acquisition but I assume that would be a one off since it costs so much plus I see how their focus has been shifted to AI, thus any major future investments will probably be in that area.

Markusb331d 13h ago

i think you are really missing the point

VariantAEC1d 4h ago

@romulus23
That is not why MS buys studios. They might continue to buy because it's about taking that sweet sweet IP out of the corporate husks of their acquisitions.

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SonyStyled2d ago

“There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future”

No bro, there do be is for Microsoft not acquiring for what is now if not what it be is 😂

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ChasterMies1d 17h ago

Xbox isn’t a separate company from Microsoft. It’s all Microsoft.

Abear211d 12h ago (Edited 1d 12h ago )

Let’s be real, this is the media spinning all the acquisitions and liquidations of said developers and spinning it to make M$ the villain.

This was bound to happen, a bigger slice of pie and cut costs, when the games come they stand to make more and that’s their agenda—it was the writing on the wall when the sales went through and legally all those who approved the sale and mergers knew this would happen.

Snowflakes need to realize business is ugly and you can cry all you want but this is how capitalism works. And it works.

That said, M$ needs to steer the narrative and grab hold of all this, make their plans known, hype the hell out of all those dead IP’s they plan to revive, and be honest about the timeline. This is likely to involve mobile and IP on other consoles, and most people realize that.

The problem is this company is incapable of being transparent and seems to often want to dissuade and confuse is customer base. The lack of E3 has hurt Microsoft and I don’t think they know how to properly or effectively market their brand anymore.

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jwillj2k42d ago

There really needs to be a class action lawsuit here. You buy these companies just to put people out of jobs. And it’s not like something happened to derail their plans this WAS the plan. Microsoft has no business in this space at all.

franwex2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Microsoft has been doing this for years. They simply want the IPs. Look at Nokia. Look at Skype. This time it simply expanded to games. Gaming is not as important to Microsoft’s executives as it was to the founders too. Bill Gates was willing to sell the og Xbox at a loss. Steve Balmer approved the red ring of death fiasco. This CEO isn’t really a gamer.

-Foxtrot2d ago

Maybe it's time though to put a stop to it and use a big giant like Microsoft as a huge example to the rest of these big companies.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere.

People like the FTC and the like went against Microsoft yet their Actvision deal was still allowed to go through yet look what's happened...it's not even Acitivisions studios aswell, it's Bethesdas.

VariantAEC1d 4h ago

Years?

Try several decades, and in the gaming space 2.3 decades.

Jon615861d 13h ago

You do realize this happens in ALL industries? Or are you just saying this because it is Microsoft? In any case I feel for those that are being let go but the trch industry is suffering right now.

jwillj2k41d 8h ago (Edited 1d 8h ago )

This absolutely does NOT happen all the time. Let me know the last time 1 company with a terrible product track record spent 100 billion onto acquire MULTIPLE successful companies in under a year only to shut them down and stop making their products regardless of how successful they were. Not merge them, completely shut them down.

And you can’t use Microsoft in your example.

Notellin1d 8h ago (Edited 1d 8h ago )

Class action lawsuit? The law is on their side and protects them at all costs. There are no rules to protect the people at the bottom.

jwillj2k41d 8h ago

Not true when it comes to mass layoff do your research.

RNTody2d ago

Ninja Theory, Perfect Dark, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Wolfenstein 3, Dishonored, Prey, Doom, Quake... something tells me that bad things are going to happen to these entities under Microsoft.

MrDead1d 22h ago

ID software, the makers of Doom and Wolfenstein that have been with us since 1991 could be gone and MS will keep the IPs.

I hope some of these studios can buy their freedom from MS otherwise this is going to be even more devastating for the industry and gamers.

Yui_Suzumiya1d 19h ago (Edited 1d 19h ago )

That's exactly what I'm worried about. I've been a fan of id since Wolfenstein 3D and I'm honestly afraid.

lodossrage1d 15h ago

Toys for Bob saw the writing on the wall and bought themselves out.

Wouldn't be the first time a company did that under MS either. Bungie and Twisted Pixel did the same. Considering what just happened, I can see some other devs trying to buy themselves out too.

anast2d ago

Good thing the bosses of all those small studios made their money.

glenn19792d ago

they cant do it right now they will get burned

XiNatsuDragnel1d 23h ago

Phil and his team need to be gone

lodossrage1d 15h ago (Edited 1d 15h ago )

Won't make a difference.

The whole structure needs to be overhauled. Anyone that replaces Phil will be no different than him, Mattrick, or anyone else.

Until the company changes how they go about business, nothing will change

glenn19791d 12h ago

I just don't have any idea what they would do , they have done sooo much damage on their xbox brand, they have a show at July or June I think, but will it even matter even they show amazing games, idkn

lodossrage1d 15h ago

True,

But they may as well get it over with. Whether it happens now or later, the burning is going to hit the same.

Reality is the ONE move that can alleviate a lot of this is the one move they can't make. Remove day 1 from gamepass.

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Microsoft Opening Xbox Mobile Game Store in July

The Xbox brand is expanding, as an Xbox mobile game store is opening this coming July where Microsoft will brings its "first-party portfolio."

Jin_Sakai3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

“Bond adds that they will start on the web”

This will go nowhere.

Nice knowing you Xbox. This is what happens when the house never gets cleaned.

MrDead3d ago

The only this MS is expanding is the amount of feculence it sprays on everyone who just want to enjoy gaming and make games.

The best thing MS can do for the gaming industry is leave and never return.

XiNatsuDragnel3d ago

Good luck with this even it might not succeed.

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