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The Rocky And Concerning Future Of Microsoft

Windows 8 sucks, Surface is getting trounced by the iPad, and Sony's already gaining next-gen steam. Should the Big M be worried?

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iGAM3R-VIII4042d ago

MS as a whole are not failing at all,but if the do not do something sooner or later, their gaming side of them could suffer. By E3 when we have a clear idea of both the 720 and PS4 we will be able to see the true path of MS (which doesn't look good based on the 720 rumours)

NateCole4042d ago

Agree. They have to plan ahead. Mobile and Web is the future for the tech world. Whoever manages to get there will be the leader. Google got a great start with the web and Apple with their obscenely over priced hardware and services that are of top quality.

The other thing i think MS needs in a new image. For too long they have gotten themselves a pretty bad image. A lot of people only put up with them because they had no choice. Their monopoly over the OS and PC market is coming to bite them in the ass now that people have real and sometimes better alternatives.

They have to be bold and visionary.

Army_of_Darkness4042d ago

MS surface isn't doing well against the likes of samsung's galaxy tab, let alone the Ipad LOL! and for the price MS charges for their tablets isn't a good choice compared to the alternatives that are very good in my opinion. Just a couple days ago I got the ASUS memo smart pad 10.1" for only $299 and I'm very satisfied with it's capabilities for that price, so the MS surface needs to drop in price or it's gonna be done for like the Zune...

MS smart phone doesn't stand a chance against the iphone or galaxy so I don't know why they even bothered..

I'm still happy with windows 7..

As for the 720... I think if they go all out casual, it's gonna be the end for their console business so MS better start considering they're hardcore fanbase before Sony takes over gaming again completely.

Maddens Raiders4042d ago (Edited 4042d ago )

has never been the same since this man left. As much as I loathed the problems w/ the hardware and other complaints, I always liked this guy. Dude had ballz of stainless steel. They need to recapture his spirit.

NateCole4042d ago

@army. Surface clearly illustrates the problem MS has as company. It's lacking vision and imagination.

Surface sucks as a ultra-portable or as a tablet.

When compare to a tablet it has horrible battery life,bulky and expensive. Compare to an ultra-portable. It has horrible storage capacity and lack other functionality ultra-portables provide.

It's a middle of the road solution that does not appeal to any mass market and only to a small segment. MS from my observation have been in this situation for a long time now. They lack vision. If it weren't for their monopoly over the PC industry they would be been dead a long time ago.

Post PC era they are now finding it even harder now to adjust because they are not a monopoly and are finally challenged by stronger and better positioned competitors that have vision to anticipate changes in the tech world and imagination to capture people with their products.

@maddens. Yes. It's no coincidence that when he was with xbox they had a clear vision of what they are about. They did pretty well then.

AngelicIceDiamond4042d ago

"we will be able to see the true path of MS (which doesn't look good based on the 720 rumours)"

And the exact same could be said about Sony a few short months ago and in fact Sony had the worst rumors regarding used games and look how that turned out? Pretty damn well did it.

Lets just wait we don't have to much longer (regarding the April reveal rumor)

nukeitall4042d ago

Ironic isn't it?

What nobody seems to realize is that when push comes to shove, it is all about execution and management.

I'm not just saying this about Sony, but also about Nintendo and MS.

Who would have thought Nintendo turned 3DS fortunes around, and that MS would gain the market share they did with the Xbox 360.

Yet, who would have thought the PS Vita would have done so badly.

The Wii U remains to be seen and so does the PS4 and the next Xbox.

Nilemonitors134042d ago

All I know is that tons of people are thinking about migrating to Ps4 next gen. What people have to realise is that they don't owe loyalty to any company, I personally love Ps because of what I get, if xbox offered better I would jump ship, but i guess i'll be sticking with play station for awhile .

dbjj120884042d ago

I wonder how easy they'll win the family crowd if the gamers aren't there to early adopt while the tech is expensive....

MikeMyers4042d ago

That is why they will be likely offering a $99 system with some sort of subscription/contract model attached kinda like a cellphone.

I expect Microsoft will have 2 systems available. They must have a hard drive in each system this time.

The key areas Microsoft had this generation were:

1. Price
What will the price of the next Xbox and PS4 be?

2. Early start
Unless Microsoft decides to release it right after they announce it that won't be an edge this time for them

3. Easy development
The PS4 is getting rave reviews from game developers and the system won't be suffering from long load times either

4. Online
Throughout the generation Sony has really upped their service and with Plus it just added a whole new level of value.

So it seems to me Microsoft has its work cut out for them to top the PS4. Will they go a different route? Will it be cheaper? Will Microsoft have an ace up its sleeve? Will Microsoft come out with a ton of new games? We'll just have to wait and see but until then I expect many more of these types of topics swirling about filled with rumors and speculation.

nukeitall4042d ago

@MikeMyers:

I think what you should consider isn't what MS had previous generation, but what MS created previous generation relative to the competition.

1. Price
MS made many good design decision that lead them to having a consistent pricing advantage. Yet the differentiating factor between it's nearest competitor is minimal.

2. Early start
Too many attribute the early start to MS success, but it actually was the fact that MS had the foresight to forged great relationships with developers and create great partnerships. In comparison, early releases like Dreamcast didn't pan out. Heck, even RROD was switfly taken care of and forgiven by the public.

3. Easy development
Nothing to add here.

4. Online
Sony has greatly expanded the value of PSN+, but it is at the cost of decreasing attach rate. This actually might hurt Sony and their partnerships with developers. Good for consumers, but potentially bad for content providers. We will have to wait and see, but this highlights MS strength also. The fact that MS consistently is able to charge premium for their service, when the competition provides a free one and on top of it, provides lots of games on a low cost subscription.

So what you have to take from this is, don't underestimate MS ability to compete. Just look at what they did too the Wii with Kinect.

So does MS have work cut out for it? Yes, they do and it seems Sony has done their homework.

However, I don't see anything that isn't really a reaction to the Xbox 360. Sony needs to turn up the heat and introduce something that differentiates it from the Xbox 360/PS3 other than better looking games, identifying player controllers, a touchpad and a share button. These things seems like it hardly makes a difference, but then again neither did achievements.

Bigpappy4042d ago (Edited 4042d ago )

You guys really think all of this doom and glooms stuff you put on your little website and submit to N4G will sway people from M$. You are doing yourselves and gamers a disservice by trying to predict doom and gloom for a company that has as much chance of failing as your lame site has of becoming mainstream.

My advise is to wait until you know something before having such a strong OPINION. What will likely happen is that your prediction will be completely off and you end up looking very unreliable. That will hurt your brand (not that you actually have one. But you know what I mean).

Next: Win 8 does not Suck, and the Surface Pro may actually be too successful. So much so in fact, that other OEM are being hurt by it.

Sony has done a good job at impressing their base and even 360 owners like myself. They look to have a good system coming. But am I ready to move from Xbox to PS? No sir, not even close. I have not seen anything from M$ yet (neither have you). I can tell you that Sony has a big weakness that if not addressed with cause M$ automatic success. FAMILY is the keyword. Sony has left that wide open.

When M$ shows the next Xbox and you still have this opinion, you are free to comment with the rest of us right here on N4G. Till then, just can it!

jimbobwahey4042d ago

In my opinion the big weakness of the PS4 is a lack of backwards compatibility. If Microsoft reveal that the next Xbox has backwards compatibility, that's the console that I'll buy.

If neither console is backwards compatible though, I won't be buying one until the first price drop.

Parapraxis4042d ago (Edited 4042d ago )

Bigpappy - "am I ready to move from Xbox to PS? No sir, not even close."
...well there's a shocker lmao

...here's an idea, get both and quit being a fangirl.

pete0074042d ago

i am running Windows8 64 bit and i can assure you its as performing as win7 with all the updates and sp1, better kernel, memory management, performance, its just a slight change from its predecessors.

now..... you all saw the move from xbox to 360, didnt you? unexpected, brutal, even me a ps2 owner, was in awe for the first wave of games in the hd era.
they got me as a custumer, and a hapy one despite of the 5 xbox rrods, and allways freely replaced by new ones, contradicting some posts here that we had to rebuy new consoles. thats true, they launched a rushed product, but they had no choice. overal it was the best console we have ever saw. it was not the queen of the teraflops, it was a balanced one, easy on the go, developer friendly, and a cheap one also,
now.... are MS stupid to rely on the 360 success and turn into a cable tv provider?
why do you think they have no AAA first party titles like sony does lately?
because to MS the party was almost over 2,5 years ago, as they achieved largely their goals, instead to sony, the party was just beginning as they had to maximize theis ps3 lifespan and also its well known that not all blockbusters sold as they wished.
MSFT will be with full power at e3 with 3 years of next gen projects, features and all the bullshit were used to.

Minato-Namikaze4042d ago

How can you have 5 rrods and be happy? Having a constantly failing games machine and being happy shouldnt ever go in the same sentence.

Nilemonitors134042d ago

Isn't that like being masochistic, 5 rrod, goddamn, you must be shi##ng money, anyways, like I said before, people don't owe loyalty to any company, so go for the one that suits you best. In my opinion Ps “cares more” about me, by offering the best value per dollar spent, just think about it homie.

rainslacker4042d ago

I agree with most of your comment, even though I find it rather condescending.

I would like to point out though that Sony is probably going to be pushing their social aspects of the system in order to gain interest in the family market. It's no secret how popular social media has become, and it has made what was once difficult, easy. The fact that family and friends can now easily connect to one another is a huge plus in their cap in this regard.

How this translates to actual sales remains to be seen. Realistically I can see that when it comes to social aspects, a PC or tablet or smartphone are probably much more ubiquitous, and there are common social networking sites that work on all of them.

The only advantage is that Sony can really push a family oriented gaming console should they decide to take the next logical step, which is allowing people to play easily with one another through their own network...think a socially connected Wii. It removes the physical presence aspect of socializing, and can help to bring distant family and friends together in a meaningful way. At least that's my take on it. There would obviously have to be software to support it, and it looks like Move will take care of those that are put off by traditional controls.

Sony does support the family market now, it just isn't a really dominate force in their marketing, so it goes unseen by most of us due to us probably not caring much about it.

Nilemonitors134042d ago

Im happy you were impressed by the Ps4, just give it a shot my friend, I will assure you it wont disappoint you,

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boybato4042d ago

I know for a fact that a lot of my friends had a "falling out" from their xbox due to kinect (cannot forget a friend whose childhood was destroyed by star war's galactic dance off) If not only for Halo ang Gears they've sold their xbox.

Specs wise I do not think xbox and sony will differ that much. Kinect might also work as their wildcard
....

Shit, I cant wait for next gen...

alexcosborn4042d ago

Yeah, I think a lot rides on Kinect.

Godmars2904042d ago

Given that they've been pushing it for past 2-3 E3s they more than likely think that.

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Wedge194042d ago

Sad. It's weird to see a massive switching of roles in the industry.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7211h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

purple10143m ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos17m ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 8h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 5h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 2h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN20h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo21h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies17h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 7h ago (Edited 1d 7h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 5h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic15h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows9014h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 7h ago (Edited 1d 7h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 7h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 6h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 3h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 6h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 4h ago (Edited 1d 4h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 5h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10112d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref11d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde11d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197211d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville11d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai12d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref11d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan11d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref11d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde11d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197211d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier11d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto11d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman11d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts11d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts10d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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