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Could Sony buyout Insomniac if FUSE fails?

In the beginning, Insomniac's future seemed secure. They now had a second source of income due to being multiplatform. They still had their ties to Sony as they continued with the Ratchet and Clank franchise. And lastly, they still managed to be an independent company.

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Godchild10204071d ago (Edited 4071d ago )

If Fuse fails, I don't think Sony will buy them out as quickly. They will have to earn and gain Sony's trust and money again. How well the game after Fuse does determines if Sony would seek to make them first party (but that is any company).

I don't want Fuse to fail, but I don't really see any buzz around the title and with the delay, I don't know how it will do.

guitarded774070d ago (Edited 4070d ago )

Insomniac has said they don't want to be bought by Sony, and that they like their relationship with Sony the way it is. I don't think FUSE failing would wipe out Insomniac, they have a pretty good track record, so if FUSE did fail, I'm pretty certain they could recover. All they'd have to do is put out a decent R&C game, and they'd be in good position again. I doubt they'd risk making another resistance if FUSE failed as sales of R3 weren't spectacular if I remember correctly.

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guitarded774070d ago

@ TrollExterminator

Sure, but it's a hell of a lot easier to bounce back when you have Sony funding a Ratchet or Resistance game for for them to make.

HyFackingDro4070d ago

first of all fuse will fail, insomniac never made anything good, R&C was ok and RFOM was decent because ps3 had nothing at the time if the game came out today even with updated graphics it would be trash. All that said Sony has never been in the business of buying out anybody, why do you think they lost every exclusive they had from 3rd party devs last gen?

madjedi4070d ago (Edited 4070d ago )

@hyfackingdro(why am i even bothering) "first of all fuse will fail, insomniac never made anything good, R&C was ok and RFOM was decent because ps3 had nothing at the time if the game came out today even with updated graphics it would be trash."

Biggest post of bullshit i have read in a while. R&C is a hilarious and solid series, rfom was a kickass game then and it would be even better with upgraded graphics.

Perfect example of a bandwagon fanboy mentality to me, insomniac was a good dev till they went mp, then the games became just okay or shitty.

Insomniac is still a good studio regardless of if they are exclusive or mp. You have fanboys, then you have the lost in space ones.

The only remotely bad game insomniac made this gen was all 4 one, and that is because it was not a regular r&c game.

" All that said Sony has never been in the business of buying out anybody, why do you think they lost every exclusive they had from 3rd party devs last gen?"

Maybe because expanding it's first party lineup is smarter than trying to buy 3rd party exclusives, which have essentially died off due to dev costs.

And how many former 3rd party exclusives are doing well these days, most of the japanese ones minus street fighter not so much.

gaffyh4070d ago

While I don't see FUSE selling well at all (Pachter seems to think it will sell 5 million), I also don't see Sony buying them out. Insomniac has said that they want to be independent, and that won't change unless they are really in trouble and don't want to downsize. Plus, FUSE won't be the only game they are making as they have three teams I believe.

Jazz41084070d ago (Edited 4070d ago )

@trollexterminator.....you can ask Sony that same question. Not trying to start a flame war but i believe insominac is in much better shape then sony even though most of the n4g faithfull are trying hard to forget about sony problems but unfortunaley they are Rea and I truly believe once all next gen sytems are laid out on the table with nomore rumors to go on this will be right back in the spotlight when then competition starts. Remeber its not about games or console sales when it comes to sony its abiut profit and that is why they are in trouble. Im sure i didnt say anything anyone else did not allready know. Im looking to be a gamer and own both consoles like last gen and keep off these opinion boards more then ever as they have no say in the big picture.

dcbronco4070d ago

I'm not sure what insomniac is worth, but what makes anyone think Sony can afford to buy them. Sony is selling assets and closing studios. They already have the rights to R & C. Why would they buy the company if they could afford to?

_-EDMIX-_4069d ago

Agreed. Though Insomniac is a fantastic studio, I don't feel Sony wants to buy a team that doesn't want to be bought. (remember Rare...)

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chaos-lockheart4070d ago

Sony should not buy Insomniac, Sony owns some Square Enix stocks, so I think they should pay the rest and buy them out. And demand them to make better games and more JRPG's.

Root4070d ago (Edited 4070d ago )

Sony buying Square Enix would be amazing....

I mean they'd have some work to do with Squares side like stop them making crappy FF games and focus on getting the series back on top form, but on Enix's side...all the things they publish Hitman, Deus Ex, Just Cause would be theirs...even Tomb Raider and Kingdom Hearts. That would be amazing

CommonSenseGamer4070d ago

They should have purchased PixelJunk as I see they have announced their next game for PC and have also optimised it for the 360 controller.

Mr_Writer854070d ago

They own like 8% I don't think they could afford to buy the rest.

Knushwood Butt4070d ago

@ CommonSense

PixelJunk is just a brand name, not the name of the studio.

The studio is called Q-Games, and they've made stuff on a load of different platforms, including Nintendo.

chaos-lockheart4070d ago (Edited 4070d ago )

@BitbyDeath

"Mr_Writer85" is correct, the 18% was before enix. Enix bought more shares then Sony, and was the 2nd share holder. Sony now owns 8.25%. "Sony acquired 18.6% interest on Square. Sony owns 8.25% after the Square Enix merger."

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joab7774070d ago

Me either but it will by their standards. Then it will be a great time to buy. Its sad but the market is saturated and they wont get the advertising they would need. It will probably be a solid game but bioshock, defiance, the last of us, E3 etc. will make it really tough.

rainslacker4070d ago

The hype definitely isn't there for this game. Even before they changed it, I never saw a lot of people talking about it...even in articles about the game.

It's rather strange since Insomniac games tend to be pretty well hyped by the media and gamers alike. Even if you don't know the company, you've likely played one of their games in the past.

I'm worried that this game will just get drowned out in the sea of other shooters on the market, because so far I haven't seen much to make it stand out.

On topic:

I doubt they have to do much to earn Sony's trust. They have a great working relationship with them. Insomniac didn't burn their bridges, they just looked to expand. I'm sure Sony would welcome them back with open arms.

Other than that, anything else i believe is summed up pretty well by guitarded. They have more than one basket to keep their eggs in.

TheDivine4070d ago

Prob is Insomniac only received hype from PS fanboys who now either hate insomniac or have total indifference. I never liked any insomniac games other than resistance and only R3 was a great game. Never liked Ratchet either. They've always been a mediocre developer who made mediocre games that fanboys hyped due to being exclusive.

Insomniac does have talent and def has it in them for good games as R3 proves but il wait and see. Sony making them crank out yearly Ratchet titles for the past decade didnt help. Sony forcing them to create a Halo type game didnt help. And now EA is forcing them to make a realistic shooter. They would do better with full control IMO but that's the way of the world I guess.

SilentNegotiator4070d ago

Agreed. It's a bad idea to buy a horse with a broken leg.

showtimefolks4070d ago

I don't think it's a question of if Fuse fails because it will fail

It just doesn't look interesting but overstrike now that had a charming factor about it.

Also lets not forget insomniac has 3 teams, they been voted the best developer to work for like 5 straight years and Ted price is awesome. I still think insomniac will do or dedicate one team for playstation brand that way they keep making money on the side from ratchet,resistance or a new IP.

The way gaming business is sooner or later insomniac will have to all to survive, in next 3-5 years small developers will have hard time existing. When big publishers like THW fall these small development house have no choice

Than there is the matter of should Sony buy insomniac? They have ready at dawn and QD to buy before insomniac I would think

Bathyj4070d ago

I dont think theres any point buying a studio that doesnt want to be 1st party, even if theyre coming of a failure and are a bargain.

Sony would be better off buying Quantic Dream.

Then again if MS start sniffing around, maybe Sony would want to buy then as they dont want to lose them completely, that would be a shame, but I think Insomniac are even less likely to sell to MS than they are to sell to Sony.

BladerunnerZX4070d ago

agreed.

There doesn't seem to be much interest in Fuse.

blastcorp644070d ago

Earn Sony's trust? I'm sure it was nothing personal and just a business decision

Godchild10204070d ago (Edited 4070d ago )

Trust as in, funding their next game (New IP) without being worried about the quality of their game.

Not on a personal level, but a business level. Would you do business with someone that you can't trust to make a high(er) quality title? As I mention before their games fell off a bit with Resistance 3 and the Ratchet & Clank series. But that could be due to going multiplatform.

I have nothing against Insomniac going MP, I know they are still great Developers and I just think there is no buzz around their title. Maybe after Army of Two: Devil Cartel releases?

blastcorp644070d ago

I get what you're saying but I think Sony understands, probably more than anyone, the inherent risk of releasing a new ip. Sometimes success and failure of a game, especially a new ip, is beyond the control of the developer or publisher. Look at vanquish, it's an awesome game and much more enjoyable than, say, gears of war but it didn't sell at all. I believe Sony wouldn't have any doubts about insomniac's ability or talent based on their long running relationship.

El_Assenso4070d ago (Edited 4070d ago )

In all honesty Sony should buy Quantic Dream. I remember in an interview David Cage answering the question of "Are you open top becoming 1st party devs for Sony?" to which Cage replied "In the future...you never know but we're open....Sony and QD are the perfect partnership. We are the artists, whereas Sony are our backers who give us full creative freedom to do whatever we please. The best example is Heavy Rain." BUY QUANTIC DREAM SONY!

NastyLeftHook04070d ago

i agree with what you said. especially since resistance 3 was a commercial (failure) but a fantastic game! such a shame.

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Delive4070d ago

Insomniac goes multiplat and ms gets access to fuse. Bungie goes multiplat and sony gets access to destiny. I dont think sony is too concerned with insomniac. They own the rights to r&c and rfom was never made up to what it should have been.

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yewles14071d ago

Insomniac didn't want to be bought in the first place, why would you think they would suddenly flip-flop if one game fails when they're still making PS3 exclusives for them on the side anyway?

lodossrage4071d ago

True, they didn't want to be bought. But if FUSE fails, with the way studios are starting to drop, they may not have a choice if they want to survive.

The question though is more close to what Godchild1020 just noted to, will Sony actually care enough to buy them after going multi?

Knight_Crawler4070d ago

You do realize that even if this game fails Insomniac wont be affected financially...thats the beauty of having a big company like EA or Activion publish your game.

Remedy is a good example of this...they game did not sell well but since MS was the publisher they were not hurt.

I do not see these guys being bought by Sony.

lodossrage4070d ago (Edited 4070d ago )

That's not exactly true.

True enough, a publisher does pick up the bill. But if FUSE fails, just because Insomniac isn't the one paying for it that it doesn't hurt their wallet.

If it fails, they'll have a situation of "who will want to publish the sequel for us". EA's track record shows they have no problem giving up on even decent franchises (look at Dante's Inferno)

The difference with Remedy is that from the very beginning Microsoft, a first party publisher had a huge stake in that because MS owns the IP.

EA however, will care less because part of their deal with Insomniac is that Insomniac owns the IP. So they' discard them in a hot minute if FUSE goes south

And it's clear Insomniac can't self publish or they would have done it considering they "want their freedom". So now it becomes where does my next pay day come from because the new question of the day will be "Who will want to publish our next title?"

Donnieboi4070d ago

This may sound harsh, but anyway: No Sony should not buy them back. What kind of message would that be to future would-be deserters? Yeah a studio should have the freedom to leave, blah, blah, blah. But as a business, Sony shouldn't concern itself with another companies freedom. If u leave, then we're done. No need to ever work together again.

rainslacker4070d ago

@donnie

Sony wouldn't be buying them back, because Sony never owned them in the first place. They did publish a lot of their games, but that was a decision on Insomniacs part to get a game published.

Sony is in the business to make money. If there is some gain for them in buying Insomniac then they will do so. They don't have to send a message. Sony is one of the biggest and most powerful publisher in the industry, and because of that people give them the respect they deserve. Business is just business, and Sony understands that.

MrBeatdown4070d ago

@Knight_Crawler

"You do realize that even if this game fails Insomniac wont be affected financially...thats the beauty of having a big company like EA or Activion publish your game."

They have to keep making games to stay in business.

How many publishers are interested in publishing the follow up to a commercial flop?

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Root4071d ago

They didn't want to be bought because they wanted their "freedom"...yet they go with EA, a company well known for restricting developers for things, dumbing down ideas and make developers do things which will sell, not what they want.

I don't see the logic in Insomniacs decision to be honest.

I'd rather them be bought by Sony then be bought by someone like EA.

RuleofOne343 4070d ago (Edited 4070d ago )

The ability to maintain ownership of the IP ,failure or successful was the point in them choosing to leave.

majiebeast4070d ago (Edited 4070d ago )

I dont think Sony would buy them at this point. They have Naughty dog a studio that can probably do everything Insomniac can do, but do it better. Sony is better off buying Quantic Dreams if they want any studio.

Sony gave Insomniac enough chances to join SCE, but they wanted more freedom and its looking to bite them in the ass. I bet if FUSE was published by Sony it would still have its original artstyle, instead they had to listen to dudebro's in a focus group that EA set up.

xXBlondieVanHarlowXx4070d ago

%100 Agreed.

But, it's not a matter of "if it fails" it's a matter of when it fails. I'm sorry but someone had to say it. I really liked the Overstrike concept, LOVED the Overstrike concept Fuse looks like any generic shooter, i'm sure it'll have that special uniqueness only Insomniac can deliver but i'm not sure if it'll be enough to make me want it.

Ravenor4070d ago

Yeah Generic coop shooters with the kinds of weapons shown in the trailer show up all the time. The concept for the game is the exact same thing it's just the art style that has changed, the abilities of the individual agents is the exact same.

rainslacker4070d ago

@Ravenor

The thing is, art style did set this game apart from the generic. It may have all the same features of the original game, but outside our bubble a lot of people don't really look at that.

I'm sure the game will be good, because Insomniac is an amazing developer, but good doesn't necessarily mean that the game will sell.

adorie4070d ago

Dudebros... LMAO. Focus groups aren't really a great thing either.

Soldierone4070d ago

If anything, Insomniac will just go back to SCEA for publishing. They don't want to be bought out, they wouldn't even let EA do it. They want to be their own company.

Plus why would you want them too? Say FUSE fails then they create a new IP for Sony and it fails. They will eventually end up like Zipper.....

Godchild10204070d ago (Edited 4070d ago )

The thing is if Fuse fails, Sony may not fund their next game. Look at how they left Resistance and look at how Ratchet and Clank has been handle lately.

They didn't even want to or they just let a random third party studio make the Vita version. If they really cared about the IP, they would have let Sony know they wanted to do the port themselves. And maybe the HD Remake (Not the HD Collection, the Ratchet Deadlocked HD remake) as well?

If they wanted to have their own freedom, they would have seeked publishing rights for their own games. Isn't that real freedom? Or maybe they just wanted a way to make more money and have someone else get burned if their next game fails?

If Fuse fails, Sony might not fund their next new IP or they won't even let them touch an existing IP. With that said, they might have to lay off a members of the studio and may use Kickstarter to fund their next game.

Soldierone4070d ago

Insomniac didn't have the manpower to do it themselves, plus I don't think they have ever made a handheld game. It has always been another studio.

They also did seek publishing rights, but that is just something Sony does. That's why they went third party, to have their rights to the IP. EA put them under the new sub name so Insomniac did keep rights. I believe they also stated they don't have the money or access to distribute themselves, or they would have done it. Again the reason they went to EA.

It just sucks for them because everyone wants full rights to them. Since they are under that new label and keep rights, EA isn't pushing it as hard as their other games. Since they have always been second party to Sony, their games always got overshadowed by first party titles.

I don't think a single game not doing well under EA terms will do anything for Sony. If Insomniac says "hey we want to make Resistance 4 for the PS4" Sony will be all over it.

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Report: Sexual Misconduct Investigation Conducted at EA, Suspects Named and What They Did Revealed

EA senior staff has been investigated for sexual misconduct involving female coworkers, and these said people have been named publicly.

isarai2d ago

Aye just call Phil, i mean he somehow made Bobby Kotick's scandal disappear and gave him a few million dollar high five on the way out.

Cacabunga2d ago

I wonder if it will be censored with some in game ads.

InUrFoxHole1d 2h ago

You think Phil did that? 🤣

MrBaskerville2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

Microsoft did, Phil Spencer played a minor part. He instigated the buyout that led to Kotick escaping all his controversies while getting a golden handshake.

Someone on Twitter calculated that the people hired in Tango and Arkane Austin could get a decent salary for roughly 17 years for the money Kotick was paid.

XiNatsuDragnel2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

EA about to go down like Activision and then Phil saves the day saying.this is good for the industry and consolidation will help create competition. /s.

MrBaskerville2h ago

Then they shutdown Codemasters and studio behind Jedi Survivor.

Atleast they could hardly do much damage that EA hadn't allready done. EA has shut down most of their studios by now.

ravens522d ago

What's up with all these horny creeps. You gon be horny, fine. Just not at work take care of that shit before you go in. Rub one out if you have to. Don't be a creep at all. ESPECIALLY at work. But don't be one AT ALL.

Extermin8or3_2d ago

I mean part of the issue is that things transpired outside of work....

MrBaskerville2h ago

That's the thing he mentioned about not being a creep at all.

KwietStorm_BLM2d ago

You think deviants care where they are? Work sometimes makes it an even better situation for them because they can abuse their power.

mudakoshaka1d 13h ago

Nerds think they are Gods when they are making video games.

NotoriousWhiz2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

"it seems that according to EA, given the events transpired outside of work between two adults, and the fact that once investigation has started that the alleged perpetrators didn’t do it again, the investigation is considered closed. [...] The victim still has to work with the people that harassed her."

Yep, EA is disgusting.

Extermin8or3_2d ago

I mean the fact stuff happened outside of work puts EA in quite a difficult position legally. These women don't seem to have reported the matter to the police which kinda ties EA's hands on what they can do. If they don't file reports of the crimes then yeah from EA's perspective it is stuff that happened outside of work. The only exception is the guy that apparently referenced things in the slack channel for work, spending on what he said proving it may be very hard and he may well be able to get away with plausible deniability. I don't like EA and I think these people need to be dismissed but without any legal action being taken, EA can't really do much without risk of being sued themselves for unfair dismissal etc.

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EA to Spend Billions Boosting Share Prices After Mass Layoffs

EA has announced it will engage in a shareholder-pleasing share buyback program just a couple of months after mass layoffs at the studio.

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Yi-Long5d ago

Well, anything to make those shareholders happy, I guess. They're all that matters in this industry nowadays.

badboyz095d ago (Edited 5d ago )

EA stocks haven't been profitable in over 5yrs. They better hope Take-two don't get the FIFA license lol.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos19d ago (Edited 19d ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers19d ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken18d ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g19d ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing19d ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H919d ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola19d ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn66919d ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle19d ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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