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Microsoft May Opt Against Blu-ray Movie Playback With Xbox Next

Boston (TheNextXbox) – The successor to the Xbox 360 is right around the corner, as the Major Nelson countdown has the entire gaming world on alert. One thing that is almost a given with the successor to the Xbox 360, for the sake of this article we will call it the Xbox Next, is that it will include a Blu-ray optical drive. This is due to the fact that next-generation games are going to require a lot more space than is currently available on a DVD. This type of optical format has been utilized by Sony throughout the life of the PlayStation 3 and will continue forward to the upcoming PlayStation 4 in all likelihood as well. What many gamers are missing though, is that there is a real chance that Microsoft may opt against allowing Blu-ray movie playback on the Xbox Next.

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Anon19744128d ago

As the article noted, perhaps they'll build it in but charge you extra to use the feature like how they pointed out the original XBox had a DVD player, but wouldn't allow you to play DVD movies unless you shelled out for remote.

It wouldn't be the first time, or the last time, we've seen Microsoft charge you extra to access something you've already purchased (much like the extra fees to play multiplayer content developers included on the game you purchased). They'll keep doing it until there's enough push back from consumers. You really can't blame them if people are willing to pay.

darthv724127d ago (Edited 4127d ago )

the idea is a more digital age then the physical playback of blurays isnt in their best interest. The biggest outcry has been they need a format with sufficient capacity. HDDVD could be adapted for games and it is still a format that can be manufactured.

If it can upscale dvd's then most people will be happy. not to mention the cost of stand alone blu players is much cheaper in the short amount of time its been on the market as compared to when DVD and players were at the same amount of time.

MS wants to promote xbox movies for downloading and streaming and the games just need a bigger capacity disc. Does it have to use a "standard" for games or can they use whatever is larger and more cost effective to them?

Back in the days of cartridges, all carts were of different physical shapes and sizes but it didnt matter to the company so long as it was a format the developers could put their games on. Games have gotten bigger so the same rule can apply. If the idea is a higher capacity format for games then they can use whatever they want to satisfy the developers. Even at the loss of movie playback from a retail bluray.

I may have a ps3 but i dont watch movies on it. I use an LG bluray player because i believe in a dedicated player for a dedicated role.

MikeMyers4127d ago

What does the Wii U use?

I could see Microsoft not supporting bluray and perhaps doing something different. They may see it as a weakness to now support bluray since they sided with HD DVD and never did offer a a bluray player attachment.

PC games still don't use bluray. Microsoft's biggest mistake was not having a hard drive in every system, it wasn't because they didn't support bluray.

Oh_Yeah4127d ago (Edited 4127d ago )

Why not get one thing that can do everything in one? = less things you have to buy and less clutter. Saves time and money. Honestly I'm done with all consoles except playstation where I know the exclusives will be. It's time to get a gaming rig for multiplats, media, and everything else.

badz1494127d ago

"PC games still don't use bluray."

seriously dude, still with THAT argument about pc games not using bluray? consoles and pc, they are just not the same!

come back here again with that argument when pc games could be played without installing and streamed off disc like the consoles! that's like...NEVER!

kneon4127d ago

The Wii uses a bluray drive, it's just that like the Wii they haven't shelled out the royalties required for movie playback.

Microsoft may go the same route, but if they really want to pitch the xbox.next as the heart of your home entertainment system then leaving out bluray playback would be silly.

memots4127d ago

Ahhh yes digital. I can see it. Download 50gig for MGS5 .. yes

MikeMyers4127d ago

badz149,

So bluray on the PS3 meant you didn't have to install games? Interesting. Funny how you can buy full PS3 games off of the store like Infamous just like you can from other places like Steam with no need for any physical disc. You're right, bluray is definitely needed.

SilentNegotiator4127d ago

"PC games still don't use bluray"

uuuuhhhh, except 90% of them are using digital only, which is a different matter all together.

hellvaguy4127d ago (Edited 4127d ago )

" they sided with HD DVD "

Actually MS didn't side with HDdvd, which is why it isn't the standard on 360's. MS wanted to sit back and see who won the format wars for next gen. It was a format war much like Betamax vs VHS. Although HDdvd is a much faster and better format for gaming, Blu-ray won out because of all the movie support and much larger storage.

Downside to Blu-ray players is that they have to spin at much higher rate than dvd players, which is why you see a fair number of ps3 blue-ray player going ka-put. Im a huge fan of blue-ray for movies, but for gaming, idk it has its pros and cons. But one thing is for certain with dvd, cannot be used in any next gen system because of the low storage capacity.

mmj4127d ago (Edited 4127d ago )

Microsoft did side with HD-DVD they just had no confidence in the format, if they had shipped 360 with a built in HD-DVD drive it may well have faired better against Bluray.

Even if it had still failed Xbox 360 would have still benefitted from the larger storage medium, the only reason Microsoft didn't integrate a HD-DVD drive was for cost reasons, Sony no doubt made a loss early on by integrating Bluray but Microsoft's only concern is profit and a cheap DVD drive suited them better.

gaffyh4127d ago

If they don't allow Blu-Ray movie playback, it is the dumbest decision they have ever made. Because there are bound to be people who look at it and think, I may as well buy a Xbox 720 instead of a Blu-Ray player. If it doesn't have that feature then that won't happen.

joeorc4127d ago (Edited 4127d ago )

"According to Anandtech, the Wii U's optical drive is "very Blu-ray like." The site found in its teardown that the drive allows for 25GB of capacity per disc -- the same as Blu-ray. However, the site was quick to point out that the Wii U does not actually come with a Blu-ray drive."

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1...

Once again i do not know where this info keep's coming from, but the optical drive in the WiiU is not a Blu-Ray optical drive!

@hellvaguy

"Downside to Blu-ray players is that they have to spin at much higher rate than dvd players, which is why you see a fair number of ps3 blue-ray player going ka-put."

No..No..No

The Blu-Ray drive does not have to spin at a much higher rate than DVD player's no you have that backwards. Most DVD and CD optical DRIVE ARE "CAV" while Blu-Ray drive's such as the one in the PS3 are "CLV" optical drives.

They do not have to spin faster than DVD because the Bit Rate is over 5x that of DVD,per 1x!

darthv724127d ago

is bluray by association. It uses a blue laser optical drive but one that is not set to the same wavelength as that which is used by the bluray discs.

Even HDDVD used a blue laser but its wavelength was different which is why the two formats had different sizes per layer. some companies were able to make a dynamic laser that could read both so there is potential that the laser could be refined even more to add more capacity per layer.

doing that could make the laser not read the movie discs because those are built on the standard principle of a fixed wavelength. It was more cost effective to have a fixed wavelength laser diode as opposed to one that could change dynamically. That was several years ago so it may be easier to do now.

the misconception is that anything using a blue laser is being lumped into the term of "bluray" which is wrong.

morganfell4127d ago

Microsoft did back HD DVD.

http://arstechnica.com/unca...

http://www.nytimes.com/2005...

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/c...

http://www.dailytech.com/Mi...

It was only after HD DVD fell that MS suddenly claimed they didn't have a position in the matter and felt digital downloads were the future.

kneon4127d ago

@darthv72

Wavelength has nothing to do with the differences between HD-DVD and bluray, they both use 405nm lasers, as does the Wii U.

Why would Nintendo go and design and build a custom disk drive from scratch at several times the cost of an off the shelf drive. By using standard bluray components they benefit from all the economies of scale on the hardware as well as on media reproduction.

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DA_SHREDDER4127d ago

Just buy a ps3 or ps4 so you don't have to worry about it.

palaeomerus4127d ago

Or a cheap bluray player.

WitWolfy4127d ago

@palaeomerus

funny enough back in 2007 the cheapest BR player was the PS3 :P But that was probably just a scam from Sony to force consumers to buy a PS3 to begin with to get the units of the shelves

nukeitall4127d ago

I never used or needed the DVD feature on the original Xbox, nor did I ever use the DVD movie playback on Xbox 360.

In fact, I barely use the blu-ray drive to view movies on my PS3. I just stream my content, and that's probably why Wii U doesn't bother with blu-ray either.

At this point, I think blu-ray is a waste of money to pay extra for the licensing fee, so get rid of it and make the next Xbox cheaper.

FFXI1014127d ago (Edited 4127d ago )

"I never used or needed the DVD feature on the original Xbox, nor did I ever use the DVD movie playback on Xbox 360. "

Just because you don't use it doesn't mean others won't use it.

"In fact, I barely use the blu-ray drive to view movies on my PS3. I just stream my content, and that's probably why Wii U doesn't bother with blu-ray either"

There's nothing wrong stream movie, tv shows. But some people like to have their own collections. I collect movies, tv shows, animes in blu-ray. Besides if something were happen to your system and you don't have the warranty to cover it, MS, Sony may or may not let you re-download the contents.

"At this point, I think blu-ray is a waste of money to pay extra for the licensing fee, so get rid of it and make the next Xbox cheaper."

I disagree, then again, it is up to MS to decide whether or not to add blu-ray drive, not you or me.

cleverusername4127d ago

You're in the minority then!

News4Noobs-4127d ago (Edited 4127d ago )

"At this point, I think blu-ray is a waste of money to pay extra for the licensing fee, so get rid of it and make the next Xbox cheaper."

It is also a WASTE of time having 3 Discs for just one game, changing it every time you want to play different sections of that game.

Run_bare4127d ago

to nuketail... moron. not everyone live in the first or second world country... even Australia nbn is not going to be completed until 2020

ChrisW4127d ago

I have a collection of DVDs about 40 or so. I have watched about 5 or so more than once... And the last time I watched one of them was about 2 or 3 years ago. Because of this, I have looked at my DVD collection numerous times recently wondering why I haven't put them up in storage or dropped them off at Salvation Army or Goodwill.

nukeitall4127d ago

@Run_bare:

If you don't live in a first or second world country, the newest consoles aren't the target market for you. It's as simple as that.

I'm not saying people aren't using it, I'm saying for a lot of people, me included and apparently ChrisW above, never really cared about blu-ray. We get our content streaming and don't want to pay extra. If we wanted it, we will just buy a dedicatd player for $60 and won't risk wearing out the mechanical part that is most likely to wear out or fail first. Optical drive is the part that usually goes out.

Nintendo didn't see a need for it, and neither do I especially when there are streaming options.

I think blu-ray on next gen console is a waste of money. Just stick with another lower-cost licensed high storage disc format.

@News4Noobs:

Did I say NO high capacity disc format?

My point is, I don't want to pay a license to Blu-Ray association when there are cheaper alternatives that gives you 50-100GB of storage on one disc.

@FFXI101:

"But some people like to have their own collections. I collect movies, tv shows, animes in blu-ray."

I collect too, mostly games these days. However, there are dedicated blu-ray players. You can cheaply buy those. Why would you risk wearing out your console that you paid hundreds of dollars for, when a stand alone blu-ray player cost $60?

"Besides if something were happen to your system and you don't have the warranty to cover it, MS, Sony may or may not let you re-download the contents."

I'm seeing some misunderstanding. I'm NOT saying a download only console, but rather let's use another high capacity disc format like Wii U. I would rather see MS put that money into making the console more powerful than a tax that doesn't really benefit the users that much.

AtomicGerbil4127d ago

@nukeitall

Sorry to disappoint but the Wii U uses a Blu-ray optical drive.

ElectricKaibutsu4127d ago (Edited 4127d ago )

I had no idea the people on this site were so into Blu-Ray movies. I had a huge DVD collection but when Blu-Ray came out I just said eff that. I'm not buying all my movies again. I switched to streaming and never looked back. Though I admit on rare occasions I've rented Blu-Rays if I couldn't get something streaming.

Nukeitall makes sense. The optical drive is the part that tends to fail first on consoles. It's why I never played DVDs on my launch PS2, which still works great. The rights to play Blu-Ray movies costs money. If the next Xbox left it out or made it optional, it would save people like me money. But of course then people like you (yes you, person reading this) who would actually use their gaming console to watch Blu-Rays would have to pay more. One of us is getting screwed, and honestly I'm betting it's me and Nukeitall.

darthv724127d ago

the wii-u uses a blue laser optical drive. Society has associated it to "bluray" because it uses a ....blue laser. you know what else used a blue laser??? HD-DVD.

The fact that the laser is blue does not make it "bluray". certain factors have to be taken into consideration with the main one being the wavelength the laser is using. The early days of HDDVD and blu had companies that were able to support both with the same laser by having the laser dynamically change wavelength depending on the disc inserted.

The disc capacity is also dynamic. some companies do not use the full capacity of the discs for movies and games. MS can use a green laser disc format or the much improved red laser format that supports 100gb of space.

Whatever they choose is on them. I have my dedicated movie machines. im more interested in the games these new units will deliver. As I said before, the biggest outcry from developers was storage capacity. DVD is still used and can accommodate the same capacity of game as a bluray but obviously the game would span multiple discs.

That is based on the principle of a game being 45gb worth of data. It can either be on 5 9gb discs or 1 45gb disc but the data size remains the same. Obviously the convenience is a single disc just like having a 650mb cd instead of 650 1mb floppy disks. (yeah i know they were 1.44mb).

The bottom line is about cost. They will use something cost effective while at the same time be sufficient for developers to put their games on. Movie playback...yeah MS is going to push xbox movies for that. Or more partnerships with streaming services.

Lvl_up_gamer4127d ago

@ Nukeitall

I have been saying the same thing year on year. I completley agree with you.

However there is just 1 counter argument that unfortunatly I have had to agree with. Why add an additional piece of equipment to your already crowded TV stand (Cable box, PS4, 720, etc) if you can have a single device that does everything? I collect blu-rays and I agree with your arguemtn about burning out your console faster....but I would rather have a system that does everyting I need it to do then multiple equipemnt already attached to my tv using up all my available usb ports?

My argument also goes as far as Sony and their lack of BC for the PS3. Everyone just says well keep your PS2 connected....well I don't want too because I don't have an unlimited amout of room on my tv stand and connectors in the back.

1 system to rule them all kind of thing.

rainslacker4127d ago (Edited 4127d ago )

By that same logic you wouldn't need streaming to be on next consoles either. Nowadays, with smart TV's and standalone blu-ray players having more streaming capabilities than consoles, why not just buy one of those to get that feature. Then you wouldn't be wearing out the integrated circuits or fans of your console to do what you do.

The truth is, it's a nice feature to have. Is any of it really necessary? Of course not. All of this stuff is luxury consumerism. That doesn't mean that if we are able to afford it that we should just say "no big deal, there are other options". It comes down to overall value of the system.

The reason HDDVD or BR weren't in the original 360 were because of the price of the laser diodes at the time of the 360's release. The laser assembly on the PS3 was one of the most expensive parts in the system at the time, and was even more expensive when the 360 released. Nowadays, the licensing costs of BR is cheap enough for them to include it. You can easily find standalone players for $60, so what makes you think it would add that much to the 720. It would be nice for consumers to have that extra feature, as integration is becoming more important to the living room with all the different methods of content delivery. This is even more true if MS intends to become the center of everyone's living room.

The nice thing about my phat PS3 is that I can have it all in one system. Full BC, Blu-Ray, Unscaled DVD, and Streaming, all in one convenient place, all with one convenient input.

Run_bare4125d ago

To nukeitall

You either really dumb or not understand simple economics. Do you really think MS or SONY will leave the rest of market (Countries) which still rely on Media?

MS and Sony try very hard to get to the Chinese and Asian market.. why don't you tell them that Media is overrated and see how they react. Not all of us live in the first world country of USA.

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FlyingFoxy4127d ago

I love windows but MS screw people over with XBL, i mean paying to play online? seriously? it's a big slap in the face when us PC gamers have awesome free services like Steam.

JANF4127d ago

What does XBL has to do with this article. Just wondering...

WeAreLegion4127d ago

I feel like you're just trying to get a rise out of him...

WitWolfy4127d ago

LOL whats the bet.. You'll have to have XBL Gold to use the BR drive for movies ;)

LuLz

Krew_924127d ago (Edited 4127d ago )

I'm pretty sure Games for Windows Live is free right? I got a couple of Steam games that required Live, and I could connect online to people for free.

So your argument doesn't really make sense, although I do know they tried to charge at first, but failed.

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juandren4127d ago

While I agree with you that Microsoft cannot be blamed for opting to charge users for playback (if that will be the case), I do think it will be a bad decision on their behalf simply because that will be one more thing Sony can one-up them with. I can't imagine it will look too great for Microsoft if Sony can advertise (and brag about) their exclusive games, free online play, similar price point (let's face it the two systems' hardware configurations won't be that much different in the end) AND the only console with Blu-Ray playback - which is just as important to a lot of people who can't afford a console and a Blu-Ray player (read: me)

miyamoto4127d ago

the extra fees to play multiplayer content developers included on the game you purchased). They'll keep doing it until the common gamer is $ucked dry

NeverEnding19894127d ago

Considering all the money SONY has given M$ over the years to use Windows on their laptops, I don't see why M$ wouldn't pay the licensing fee to SONY

KMCROC544127d ago

Don't think the fee goes to Sony directly think the BDA does the breaking down of the fee to everyone involved in the tech.As for movie play back thinks it has to due with contracts with other service that do streaming of BD quality movies. Just going on a hunch here.

hellvaguy4127d ago

Well Sony doesn't just pay MS out of the goodness of their little hearts for windows. They really have no choice. I mean lets face it Linux laptops aren't all the rage and Apple sure isn't letting Sony in on their piece of the pie.

Also, Sony is a minority shareholder in the Blu-ray ownership association:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

DeadlyFire4127d ago (Edited 4127d ago )

Microsoft = HVD + Blu-Ray Playback.

Next gen = 100 GB discs.

HVD and Blu-Ray are only 2 formats capable of 100GB. HVD can play Blu-Ray discs. Win/Win for MS if they go that route regardless of if they add Blu-Ray playback to their console.

Just my 2 cents, but seems probable.

steve30x4127d ago

I dont need Blue Ray playback on my console. I already own a Blue Ray player and blue Ray players are affordable now.

kgamer204127d ago

Actually the article didn't suggest MS would want you to pay extra to play BR movies on the Xbox Next. It suggests that Microsoft wouldn't enable the feature at all but rather have you access movies through Xbox Live and subscribed services such as Netflix. :-)

Blackdeath_6634127d ago

" You really can't blame them if people are willing to pay. " good point. in order for them to change, people need to stand up against these anit-consumer practices

Syntax-Error4127d ago

XBL is doomed if they don't start offering more for the $60 yearly subscription. Sony is closing in and offering the same apps as XBL with $50 subscription plus free games and trials. Many XBL members have dropped off bc of this and I don't see them coming back unless MS can give something substantial back to it's members.

RuleofOne343 4127d ago

*$60 yearly subscription* their are other thing that you pay more for on a monthly base but get less in return , but yet your complaint is on a yearly item. Also most sub are not a full 60 dollars you can find them on the net for cheap.

steve30x4126d ago

@witwicky343 : We already pay to use our internet every month so I dont see why we should pay to use it on a console too.

hesido4127d ago

@darkride66: It may not be exactly like charging for things that the user already bought: There may be costs associated with royalties for DVD and Bluray playback, and Microsoft may be transferring the cost to the enduser and only for people who'd like the feature. It somehow makes sense.

ATi_Elite4126d ago (Edited 4126d ago )

Microsoft charging you for Blu-ray and pretty soon charging Gamers for DirectX............and this is why the SteamBox and Microsoft Free PC Gaming is so Popular!

Oh and what's with the big argument up there about PC Games not using Blu-ray?

It's a PC....the game is compressed on the disk and then installed on the HDD/SSD for better performance.

Isn't there a Bunch of Console games you gotta install to the console HDD. I really don't understand the argument up above as a SSD blows the doors off any Disc any day as far as speed and performance.

No moving parts! almost no loading screens, snappy performance, no scratches.

Microsoft just doesn't want to pay Sony for Blu-ray fee and also MS may just want to milk gamers by forcing them to buy all movies online or pay money buying a remote like last time just to watch your already owned movies.

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wishingW3L4128d ago (Edited 4128d ago )

They probably will go the same route as Nintendo. They will create their own format based on Blu-ray but with no playback of movies to not pay royalties.

BanBrother4127d ago

What I was thinking. I think they don't want to add that feature, as it will essentially be them admitting defeat. I hope they just suck it up and do what is right for us gamers. Blu-ray has to be implemented, it is amazing. Movies that were made 30 years ago that are on blu-ray today look just as good if not better than todays movies in standard dvd.

Whether they opt for blu-ray or their own proprietary format is anyones guess. One thing is for sure I DO NOT want to see games spread across multiple disks that don't need to be.

000014128d ago (Edited 4128d ago )

i would hope the Microsoft Company realizes many people have already started adding bluray to their current DVD libraries. that being said, it would be really pointless to have a feature blocking bluray playback when people will still buy bluray movies anyway. i, along with many others have purchased a bluray player. the only thing Microsoft allowing bluray playback does for me, is allow me to choose which room i watch the movie in, either the room with the bluray player or my living room with the future xbox. i certainly do not plan on any device, to build a movie collection by buying digital movies only or really at all, that to me is beyond asinine. sure ill still use netflix and hulu, but that doesnt alter my choices as to if im going to buy a DVD or a bluray movie.

RuleofOne343 4127d ago

*(You stated)I would hope the Microsoft Company realizes many people have already started adding Blu-ray to their current DVD libraries.*

So it's no issue for those with a BD collection already seeing as how they bought a BD player to watch those movies on .

000014127d ago

yes, exactly, but it would be silly for them to think blocking playback would funnel people on xbl to download movies as an alternative to bluray. it would be better if they just allow playback

Hicken4127d ago

You missed the part where he said "the only thing Microsoft allowing bluray playback does for me, is allow me to choose which room i watch the movie in, either the room with the bluray player or my living room with the future xbox."

I like having two PS3s in the house. Not just because it's two gaming systems to use. But also because it's two BluRay players in two different rooms. Or two DVD players. Or two media players, or whatever. It means I can replace the DVD player with a device that does more than just play DVDs.

It was one of the things that made me like my PS2- since I could keep my DVD player in the living room and keep my PS2 in my room. The same was true for the PS3: I like buying electronics, but it's great to have one device to consolidate everything.

Not having BluRay would kinda mean the Nextbox wouldn't be my go-to device.

TheGamerDood4128d ago (Edited 4128d ago )

"Instead, Microsoft required gamers to purchase a little DVD playback adapter that came with a remote control. This activated the ability that the system already had to play DVD movies"

They call that a double tax don't they? Wow...how anyone could defend MS at all is beyond me. They nickle and dime for just about anything and users are so willing to give up their hard earned money.

"Xbox Live Gold subscriptions generate roughly $1 billion in revenue for Microsoft every year"

And this is the reason why Live will remain a paid for service next generation.

Seraphemz4127d ago

And thats why I would never own a 360, paying for online gaming just doesnt make sense when PSN is free.

I dont get why so many 360 owners take what M$ dishes out...

showtimefolks4127d ago

i think with next xbox it will be different, this time around MS had an open season with gamers for the 1st year. now ps4 launching with next xbox MS will have to change some of its ways.

people not only take what MS dishes out but also praise them and defend them.

nukeitall4127d ago (Edited 4127d ago )

"And thats why I would never own a 360, paying for online gaming just doesnt make sense when PSN is free."

and you probably never will! However, I will try to explain.

It's not just about the price tag, but the community. It's like Google Plus, it might be better in some way, but the community on Facebook is just so much better people keep using it continuing making the community even better.

I gladly pay for XBL, because I like the people I meet, that I talk to with voice and do teamwork with and it is easy to schedule a match with them. To me, time is valuable and texting back forth on the PS3 is cumbersome.

However, jumping in on a party on XBL while playing a different game, when a slot opens the party lets me know and I jump in.

Personally, I'm glad there is a paid premium option as well as a free. Something for everyone.

darthv724127d ago

didnt the original PS2 have a small problem of not being able to play movies at first?

I think you had to buy the remote and it came with a disc or something to copy to the memory card in order to play dvd's.

I know the one that i got had the IR built in for the remote and was ready to play movies right out of the box. though i got mine some time in 2003.

baodeus4127d ago

@seph

You should try it out then, and come back to see if you change your mind.

Xbox live vs psn is like American online vs net zero back then. American online dies out but net zero was not sustainable and they stop being free and disappear as well. Could be the same here.

CraigandDayDay4127d ago

The problem is that you're ignoring PS+ revenue that Sony is taking in. I don't think Netzero had a PS+ equivalent.

spicelicka4127d ago

I freakin hate MS, but halo is my most favourite franchise of all time, and gears is right under it. Not exactly my fault for loving 2 of the few exclusives on xbox.

But i don't take shit from them. I have a modded xbox and a regular xbox as well. Call it false justification but i really don't give a shit. I pay for the games that i wanna play online or are really worth it to support the devs, not MS. And i download others.

Axe994127d ago

It's still worth grabbing a 360 for some of their exclusives - the PS3 is my main console by some margin, followed by PC and Vita, but 360's got a number of quality exclusives. Its online community is nothing special though - they're just gamers like everyone else, just with a higher tolerance with getting screwed over to pay $50 a year for cross-game chat. Cross-game chat and parties are excellent, but they're free on PC and Vita (Vita's still isn't quite as good as XBLs, but it's deffo solid), and a bloody rort on XBL.

But there's plenty of quality offline gaming on 360 to be had, and they're cheap as all get out now. The actual online gameplay is only different on 360 for the exclusives - not surprisingly, peer-to-peer games work just as well on XBL as they do on PSN - so unless you have a burning desire to play Gears or Halo online (Halo is a quality arcade shooter and Forza a great racer - I'm just not paying $50 a year to play them online), just grab one for the exclusives and stick it to MS by not buying a gold sub - you'll still get a 1-month trial so you can give it a gander if you buy a new 360.

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GribbleGrunger4128d ago (Edited 4128d ago )

If MS don't offer Blu-ray playback then it could be a mistake. When Sony first released the PS3, they advertised it heavily as a Blu-ray player because they were trying to establish the format. But now it's an established format, so Sony would have a big advantage if they began advertising the PS4 as a Blu-ray player (and it was 4k enabled).

Seraphemz4127d ago (Edited 4127d ago )

i really dont see it as an issue with watching blurays, i think that most people who own the system probably already have a seperate bluray player.

360 owners are used to shelling out money when they dont need to.

What M$ need to do it get a format to fit games on one disk,I really dont see them getting away with multiple disks again...

GribbleGrunger4127d ago

But that's the thing. Sony and Microsoft won't just want the same userbase to buy their product, they'll want to steal a percentage from the other companies userbase. MS did it by releasing a year earlier this time around, but can they afford to count on that again? I'm not so sure.

darthv724127d ago

the bluray format became the clear victor MS was touting its streaming services on the 360 more so than physical playback. they had the hddvd not because they wanted to support hddvd but to throw a wrench into the mix of a decided hd format. It didnt work because sony convinced more studios to support their side by way of trying to promote the ps3 as the trojan horse for blu like ps2 did for dvd.

If Ms will have a higher capacity format then it wouldnt surprise me if it was a rebirth to hddvd. Both formats (hddvd/blu) are more alike than they are different. Not to mention that with it being a dedicated format it could thwart piracy to some degree as there arent a bunch of hddvd burners on the market like there are blu.

Jazz41084127d ago

Why would ms fans listen to sony supporters. That seems to be the main people that comment on n4g? I enjoy my 360 and my ps3 and i am a gamer. Its only when i come here is when all i read is negativity towards ms in general. I am just glad the majority of gamers dont get involved with this pittiful my console is better then yours and in the real world Sony is in trouble as a company and with the press.

Daoshai4127d ago

Right on. N4g is full of childish fanboys. Once in awhile you find an enlightened comment but not often.

cooperdnizzle4127d ago

Every company is in trouble" As you say. The thing is Sony is not in trouble with the PlayStation brand the movie cameras, record label, digital cameras, and movie studios, just there tv and phones at the moment. Dumb ass people on this site.

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Microsoft Survey Asks About Handheld

A new survey from Microsoft has further hinted at the possibility of an Xbox handheld being in development.

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EasilyTheBest5d ago

This is definitely happening, I just hope they have 2 versions one with a much bigger screen.

GamerRN4d ago

I'll be happy with this, and a PC console hybrid that rivals anything we have power wise

Number1TailzFan4d ago

The problem with bigger devices is playing them on your side in bed, Vita and before that was fine. Since the Switch you gotta have a gooseneck holder & controllers detached so you can lie down holding them, or your arm will quickly get tired.

1Victor3d ago

@thesofware: “A much bigger screen than what?”
A gaming laptop 🤷🏿🤣

Kosic3d ago

Than the screen originally planned...duh... :D

darthv723d ago

it kinda already did... https://www.xbox.com/en-US/...

They are just gauging interest in one of their own.

crazyCoconuts3d ago

A Xbox version of Logitech G-Cloud?
I mean, why bother? Not like the G cloud is flying off shelves and what would Xbox add to make it better?
They're surely not going to create bespoke architecture here and there are already a few Windows handhelds out there. I have little confidence in their ability to put together an attractive UI in the way Steam did. So I doubt anything will come from this.

KicksnSnares5d ago

Day One buy for me if they'll make a dedicated handheld device.

darthv724d ago

i have that logitech g-cloud. Its a sweet little piece of kit. I like that it can also install games from the play store unlike the other android based handheld.

mudakoshaka4d ago

It sure is! Don't understand why you get the down-votes. Whoever does not like the G Cloud must have been dropped down a well, head first, when they were of a younger age.

PassNextquestion4d ago

I wonder if Microsoft will perform better in Japan if they do actually make a handheld since everyone says handheld and mobile are king over there.

TiredGamer4d ago

This looks like the future of the game industry... all three platforms with a handheld option.

I wonder if the Playstation Portal is a technology test-bed/prototype for a future Playstation handheld?

rlow14d ago (Edited 4d ago )

It’s a possibility but I can’t help but think would that be the best way to go about it? Though it would give you data on how much it is used and game type. It’s still not a true portable device and so people approach it differently. I think that data on phones, tablets, and of course the competition would give a better indication.

But I really think if Sony is considering a new PSP that could play ps5 games, now would be the time to dive in. Honestly, if they do this, it would be huge.

Traecy4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Doubt if Sony PS wants to support a new handheld with first party games. Something they lacked with the Vita. What they should do is have a handheld that is like the PS Portal which can play all games but play those games on the go as well as at home. Something like that is a better investment.

TiredGamer4d ago

Agreed that you will probably never see a separate line of games specifically for the handheld (a la PSP or PSVita). The modern economics and expectations of game development make that cost prohibitive. What makes more sense is if the full-fat game on PS5 or PS6 has a special "handheld" profile that is automatically optimized for the lower spec handheld. There would be some significant compromises compared to the bigger console variant, but it would be the same game overall and would only require a single purchase.... somewhat what the Switch does with a lower resolution when playing handheld versus docked.

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Xbox Games Showcase Followed by [REDACTED] Direct Airs June 9

- Xbox Wire - Mark your calendars! The Xbox Games Showcase followed by [REDACTED] Direct airs June 9. More info inside.

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bionicstar5d ago

Will they show Fable 4, Stalker 2, GoW 6 & Perfect Dark?

PhillyDonJawn4d ago

Crossing fingers for Fable and perfect dark. And State of Decay 3

RaidenBlack4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

And maybe Clockwork Revolution, South of Midnight, Contraband, Project 007 & OD? lol
and whatever happened to Everwild ?
+ that rumored Wu Tang RPG

Sonic18814d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Will they have official release dates and gameplay?

anast4d ago

Another game pass event with their plans to go all streaming.

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Lightning774d ago

It's an Xbox showcase that they have every year.

Make smarter comments for once.

anast4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Tell me what a smarter comment is.

If they don't sell game pass the entire time, then I will be wrong. All of this can be proven once the show gets underway. Let's wait and see.

InUrFoxHole4d ago

@Anast
Anything you didn't type. Good day sir!

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Lightning774d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Wow too easy.

You went from MS going all streaming to selling gamepass content in which we all know they are.

Which one is it?

Pretty clear you don't know what a smart comment is at least you admit you don't know.

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anast4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

"Another game pass event with their plans to go all streaming."

It's both. I would worry about your own intelligence at this point. It seems that there is not enough to go around for you to worry about how smart other people are.

Lightning774d ago

It's just a regular event announcing games. Nice one captain obvious they're gonna mention gp stuff like they do every year what else is new.

The all streaming part is just you, being you I guess. They have streaming options but going all streaming again is just you pulling stuff outta thin air.

anast4d ago

You don't know what a smart comment is or isn't. You're welcome for the help.

Lightning774d ago

No you said something dumb then you tried to back track and mention GP.

Again make smart comments for once.

anast4d ago

And we have broken record syndrome.

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darthv724d ago

Wonder if they will address the handheld rumors....?

jimb0j0nes4d ago

For a brief moment I thought we might get a whole Direct for Gears 6 - seems like it's COD though!

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv729d ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle9d ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18819d ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio9d ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning778d ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga9d ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

darthv728d ago

to you it may seem like the minority... but your bubble is shrinking because more and more are following suit. convenience is a hell of a drug and its also why physical sales only amount to 30% of overall game sales. times are changing, you either get with them or you get left behind.

neutralgamer19928d ago

Darth

30% physical sales: yet Phil and xbox division are in a rush go give up on that 30%. they don't have any right to give up any piece of the pie since the control such a little of the pie to begin with

also, the market is clearly speaking that the model Xbox is pushing isn't working right now the keyword being right now. you are right about freedom to play anywhere so i hope they put their games on steam

shinoff21839d ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga9d ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan8d ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

S2Killinit8d ago

MS is after diminishing consoles as a medium. They want to destroy this market because they couldnt win. MS’s vision is to dissolve console gaming.

romulus238d ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv728d ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

TheEroica8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

Perfectly reasonable post down voted by insecure corporation friendly folk.... But not gamers. Real gamer want accessibility and ease of acquisition for all.... Company shills are the only ones still telling us that hardware locking people from games is good for us.

Chevalier8d ago

@Darth

You should stop parroting metrics like an idiot without context.

"Xbox content and services revenue grew 62% in Q3 from a year earlier, “driven by 61 points of net impact” from the purchase of the third-party video game giant, Microsoft said."

61 of the 62% was from their merger so net increase is ONLY 1%

https://www.mesaonline.org/...

itsmebryan8d ago

@chevalier

It looks like made a great purchase. Much better then Sony buying Bungie. 😉
Cheers

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purple1019d ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos9d ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-8d ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac9d ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad9d ago (Edited 9d ago )

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1019d ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos9d ago (Edited 9d ago )

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic9d ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead8d ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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