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"Free-to-play will change everything."

Hawken's publisher Mark Long on the free-to-play future, and his game's part in it. 34

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Octavarium944167d ago

Very interesting read. This trend towards free-to-play but pay-to-win is a little disappointing though.

majiebeast4167d ago

Some games do it well like Planetside 2 and Hawken. Others like SWTOR is just so bad that its called pay to sprint.

MmaFan-Qc4167d ago

as long its not "Free to Play...PAY TO WIN."

dedicatedtogamers4167d ago (Edited 4167d ago )

I'm not a fan of free-to-play because of the philosophy behind it. I mean, the devs want to get paid one way or another...if they aren't charging you to buy the game, they'll try to get your money another way.

And of course, once the servers are taken down, goodbye to that game forever. My old Super Mario Bros cartridge from nearly 30 years ago can still be plugged in and played. Will I be able to play my Hawken mech 5 years from now? 10 years? Will I be able to boot it up and say to my kids "hey I played this awesome mech game back in the day. Give it a try"? Nope.

Octavarium944167d ago

I hear you. Its annoying when you get into a game and start to play it, only to realize that in order to be competitive you have to start paying... and sometimes paying a lot.

Its extremely deceptive.

hop3lessfray4167d ago

He's right. You can't compete with free. And if people are playing something they love without a dent on their wallet, we've seen they're more likely to pay a skin or two. Or ten.

kma2k4167d ago

wasnt there some article like a week ago that was saying how one of the big FTP companies were going out of business because people are tired of micro transactions?

dedicatedtogamers4167d ago (Edited 4167d ago )

Zynga. Founded in 2007. Going bankrupt in 2012. When the creators of Farmville and Mafia Wars can't even stay afloat for more than 5 years (they went public in 2011, so fewer than 5 years actually) who in their right mind thinks these smaller devs will be able to last?

rainslacker4167d ago

One of Zynga's biggest issues was that it catered to the casual, who generally are very quick to abandon something when something new and shiny comes along. They started in a good place with no competition, and gaming sites tended to be specialized, so the user would have to actively search them out(POGO for example). Their original games were moderately set up to push micro-transactions to support their company. But once they saw they could make quite a bit of money at it, their business model changed to be rather pushy on those transactions. On top of that they constantly berated their user groups friends to use their services whether they wanted it or not. It got so bad that you could turn them off unilaterally on Facebook because so many people complained about getting 10-20 messages an hour.

Their model wasn't sustainable, and people became disillusioned like you say. Unfortunately for us, publishers took notice at how much money was actually there to be made from this crowd. So now what we get is everyone saying how it's going to be the next revolution and evolution in gaming. It's like the whole DD talk, they're telling us how great it is and ignoring the ugly side they'd rather we, the consumer, ignore.

The way publishers see it...what works in one section of the market will be widely accepted and work in all parts of the market. Why they believe that they won't fall into the same trap that Zynga did is beyond me.

I think Zynga's failure may have staved off the free-to-play model on a large scale next generation. Hopefully it will remain a side item like it currently is with the games those of us on here like to play.

Publishers should really stop trying to find the biggest bestest thing to maximize profits, and simply go with what works for a modest return. Expecting more, and then blaming gamers when things go downhill is only going to alienate those that actually support the industry no matter what. If this generation has proved anything it's that gamers are a cynical and demanding bunch.

What's really funny about this whole situation though is that us gamers aren't really demanding change, just innovation. When the publishers finally figure out the difference between the two, maybe they can stop making so many bad choices for gaming as a whole.

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Former Dragon Age lead writer David Gaider pours scorn on EA's AI dreams.

"They want you to believe the devs under them are super stoked to work generative AI into their processes," continued Gaider, "but I assure you what they took as excitement was really a veiled wail of despair not unlike the time that team was informed of their new 'really cool' live service mandate.".

LordoftheCritics2d ago

Publishers see gaming as another stock market.

isarai2d ago

I think anyone with some common sense knew this, im glad i don't support their games anymore, what a sh!t company.

Psychonaut851d 12h ago

Friends don’t let friends buy EA or Ubisoft.

Chocoburger1d 11h ago

I said this yesterday. AI isn't what we want when it comes to crafting artistry. Alas, these soulless corporate morons don't care about their work, only about cutting corners as much as possible.

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Phil Spencer and the Battle for Xbox’s Soul

Has the rapid growth of Xbox made the ship too heavy? Following the closures of Tango Gameworks, Arkane Austin, and Roundhouse, we explore what the future of Xbox could look like.

LG_Fox_Brazil2d ago

This ship was never meant to sail, this ship was made from the get go to sink as fast as possible. It almost feels that they want to lower the standards of quality in the industry so that they can fit in

rlow11d 15h ago

I disagree, Xbox from the get go innovated and changed the industry. They did a lot of firsts and standardized a lot of others. It wasn’t till the beginning of the Xbox1 era that things started to go south.

Stevonidas1d 11h ago

Yep, although I’d argue it started going to shit when they tried to hock Kinect on their audience instead of continuing to invest in their studios and IPs. 2001-2010 Xbox was peak gaming, though.

rlow11d 9h ago

@Stevonidas
I agree they never should have focused on it after the 360 era. But you do have to remember they were faked out by the huge volumes of Kinects sold. To quote info on Wikipedia, “Project Natal, It was first released on November 4, 2010, and would go on to sell eight million units in its first 60 days of availability.” So if your Xbox and see these huge sales on a peripheral where are you going to put some money? Criticism in hindsight is worthless…..if only we could all see our future. In other wards they had no way of knowing. Plus they had engagement numbers and a lot of signs pointed to people wanting it.

Their biggest mistake wasn’t the Kinect, but unlike Sony after the PS3 debacle. They didn’t double on down on exclusive good games. The other huge mistake was letting Call of Duty go to Sony.

Hedstrom1d 18h ago

Phil wants Xbox to be as soulless as him!

Tacoboto1d 17h ago (Edited 1d 17h ago )

Xbox has no soul and Phil has no confidence, and it's impossible to say either do when they killed Tango and Arkane Austin.

Everything they've said since has only made them look worse to a point that they're actually less competent than Embracer.

Markdn1d 17h ago (Edited 1d 17h ago )

Whe you release something like the series S and expect it not to hurt your business model, and developers have to have parity with games. Then you know Microsoft don't care. Series s is the final nail that broke developers,

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Sarah Bond dodges questions on Xbox studio closures

While on stage with Dina Bass at The Bloomberg Technology Summit the President of Xbox, Sarah Bond, was asked about the Xbox studio closures of Arkane Austin, Tango Gameworks, Alpha Dog, and Roundhouse Studios

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ApocalypseShadow2d ago

Of course she did. She's part of the problem and will just tow the company line.

VenomUK2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Bloomberg’s Dina Bass could barely read her scripted question without looking at her notes, whilst Sarah Bond who WAS expecting the question spoke without saying anything of substance or answering the question in any meaningful way. Clearly she’s had the same expert PR training as Phil, but this avoidance was disrespectful. In time the short-sighted decision to shut down Tango Gameworks will be seen as of the most notorious examples why Phil Spencer messed up his tenure in charge of Xbox. That’s a fully built out talented team that could’ve been put to work on any project.

Additionally, Phil Spencer should not be using Sarah Bond as a patsy for his mistakes- he should be answering that question.

gleepot2d ago

I think you are all really overselling Tangos value. Hi-Fi rush was a lot of fun. Ghostwire was incredibly dull. Evil within 1 and 2 were just okay.

lucasnooker2d ago

Evil within 2 was incredibly under rated. I thought that game was surprisingly good

NotoriousWhiz2d ago

Someone else said it best. I don't think it was a Phil decision. It was most likely a Satya decision. I think Microsoft is done giving out free money to Xbox.

Cacabunga2d ago

people please boycott Activision Bethesda next release and support Hellblade.
these people mus understand that they cannot treat their fans and employees that way.
scumbags.

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XiNatsuDragnel2d ago

Yikes you don't help Sarah 😬 making a problem worse

Christopher2d ago

She's playing her role. There's absolutely nothing any of them can say other than the truth, this is about profit margins and not quality, so they just don't answer anything and wait for gamers to forget.

shinoff21832d ago

I think news is coming of more ps5 release but they gotta be careful cause Xbox is still sitting on store shelves. They can't get left holding all that stock

Lightning772d ago

Come next month they'll flash nice looking games in our faces and expecting us to forget.

The only thing that'll be going through my mind at their showcase is how many of those studios will get shut down after release.

I'm not joking around either. MS probably expects every game to be like COD and do COD numbers. What a way to destroy gaming for the entire industry because they're dumb af at being realistic in what success means for each game.

-Foxtrot2d ago

Always feels she was brought in / promoted for this. Happened just before things started to be out in motion.

Phil and co have someone to throw under the bus and share the blame with

zaanan2d ago

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss

darthv722d ago

....won't get fooled again

Hofstaderman2d ago

Like a deer caught in the headlights.....

notachance2d ago

I always wondered why xbox had multiple leaders with similar titles like Phil Spencer, Matt Booty, and Sarah Bond, like, how many heads do you actually need?

Seems to me it would be more cost efficient to cut 2 of them instead of all those studios.

DarXyde2d ago

Frankly, I suspect she is the most competent of them. I don't mean that I like her more, I mean that she's the best at articulating herself and giving the talking points MS wants to give. The others are starting to sound more like her than her sounding like any of them.

Are any of these people "responsible" for what's happening? No. This reeks of Nadella. But that being said, I don't see any of the Xbox heads stepping down in protest.

"Don't shoot the messenger", sure, but at the same time, the messengers don't seem to take umbrage with the message. Not enough to remove themselves from it, anyway.

CS72d ago

I disagree. Nadella is looking for profit as a CEO should in my opinion.

The problem is Dr. Phil & Co. had 10 years to bring Xbox back on track and have been failing woefully.

Phil needs to sell to Nadella that if we are to make a profit, we need to make great games. And to do that we need employees here for the long haul and the freedom to work on creative projects.

But as Phil said himself he doesn’t believe great games sell consoles.

RpgSama2d ago

Dude, 100%, forgot Major Nelson and Aaron Greenberg, like what is the point for all these suits? They have more C-level executives than games released in a generation.

This is just so they can all pass along the hot potato one at a time and in between all of them can say a lot without actually saying anything, misinformation at its finest.

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