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Microsoft, It's Time to Kill Off Gamerscore

Default Prime's Alex Carlson examines the flawed and ambiguous nature of Gamerscore and why Microsoft's next console should shutter it for good.

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GalacticEmpire4028d ago

I don't think they should scrap them, just give them better structure, like PS Trophies.

ThatCanadianGuy5144028d ago

Yep.Trophies are just so much more satisfying.

Bronze, silver, gold and the coveted platinums, each adding their own value to your exp to 'level up'

vs

..numbers.

It's a pretty archaic system.Not just microsoft either.Steam really needs to get with the times as well.

JoGam4028d ago

I like trophies better however I think Sony should add to the system. Make like a next gen trophy system.

Tr10wn4028d ago

its achievements... beside that there isnt much left, they should make it more rewarding like the one is splosion man and ms splosion man and the one in halo, steam should do the same.

EVILDEAD3604028d ago

Always was a huge fan of achievements since the 360 launched.

It's been an huge part of the 360 and IMO it would be stupid to scrap them.

If MS is smart they will let 360 gamers continue them through next gen.

But I'm sure they realize the backlash from hardcore 360 gamers if they did.

Evil

Minato-Namikaze4028d ago

@evil dead

I think you are misunderstanding what they mean? Maybe the should have revamped. If you look at a person's trophies you are instantly able to get a sense of a persons skill level in games because they have 4 tiers. Its harder too do that with achievements because its just a number.

NukaCola4028d ago

Well I think next gen won't compatible with this gen so I think for MS and Sony they should allow current gen awards to be displayed and carried over, but revamp next gen achievements and trophies. I would like to see more awards from earning them. I do like MS is also pushing for dynamic adding of achievements. Uncharted 3 did this with their updates by adding those extra fun trophies that don't take away from the core Platinum. I am hoping for those, so games can have weekly challenges and such.

@Evil,
Bud you got to lighten up. A little criticism towards MS means people care and want to see them improve. You don't have to go full defense all the time. MS has been doing this just about 10 years plus, Sony almost 18 years, and others near 30-35 now. Gaming didn't begin with the Xbox and you got to realize it.

DragonKnight4028d ago

Speaking as someone who grew up with the NES and Arcades and such, Gamerscore is kind of a refreshing throwback to the high score days of old, but it's very poorly implemented. The appeal of trophies is that they appear to be contributing to something. Even if what they are contributing to doesn't really matter or have any impact on anything. With gamerscore, it's just a generic number.

If Gamerscore truly acted like a high score, it might be more appealing. Honestly, I think the amount of "hardcore 360 gamers" that actually care about the basic number aren't as many as some would have us believe. Gamerscore doesn't even showcase any kind of skill or effort, because it can easily represent just playing a lot of games.

Either way, both systems are not at all necessary to anything and if anyone thinks they are a necessity, they have terrible priorities and should stop gaming. Games shouldn't be about collection 200 random object to get that one achievement for the small boost in your score and same for trophies. They should be about the fun you're having with the game.

MikeMyers4027d ago (Edited 4027d ago )

Not sure what they can or will do. It becomes less relevant as time goes on if it's just a number that continues to get larger.

I say scrap it and start over. Offer a new unique challenge system that shows off your achievements and make it so it has more credibility and value to other gamers who view it.

@DragonKnight

"Gamerscore doesn't even showcase any kind of skill or effort, because it can easily represent just playing a lot of games."

Actually it does if you look deeper into what they unlocked. It's up to the publisher to decide the value and what achievements are given out. Trophies at first glance have the same problem. A gold trophy in one game could be much harder to get in another. There isn't any real consistency there either on skill or effort. Getting a 1000/1000 is the same as getting all the Trophies.

LAZL0-Panaflex4027d ago (Edited 4027d ago )

I agree with evil dead. Plus I like how if I'm at 800 or900ish I can just stop and play something else like I did in crysis 3....around 840 I just said eh my time is more valuable then that last 100 something points. I got 15 platinums and I'll tell u honestly they ruin lives. All the fights I had with my wife and all the sleep I lost trying to get those last 2 or 3 bronze trophies that were extremely hard, annoying or wouldn't pop. I had to work the next day mind you, and I'd be up like a mad man searching for 350 blastshards. I do hope they get rid of the useless level system and just put the number of platinums then a slash then total trophy number next to our gamer id's this time.

Like lpanaflex78 15/2375. See much better. Also they need to synce trophies like achievement points. It shouldn't take 5-10 minutes to compare trophies to some stranger, if I'm playing call of duty and I wanna see what games dickwad92 played I wanna do it quick like on Xbox and be in and out before the next match starts.

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joab7774028d ago (Edited 4028d ago )

I like it being different than PS. I love trophies but I have to have the plat. So, if its a game I may not plat, I get it for xbox if all else is equal.

But there is an obvious solution. Have one gamerscore but allow it to have different categories. This way, for those who want to know, they can dig further to see more info.

Also I just heard on IGN that on next gen, Sony and MS will have the ability, or developers will, to add trophies at any time. How about we get achievements and down the road based on how hard they are or how many ppl have obtained it, u get a multiplier that increases overall score. That way your level or gamerscore will directly reflect how good u r. Take how many ppl play a certain game and how many actually get a particulartrophy and u will know how difficult is. Yes I know there are some problems but it could work especially if u involve other gamers rating them or something.

DOMination-4028d ago

Trueachievements website does that

AngelicIceDiamond4028d ago (Edited 4028d ago )

Or how bout MS innovates the structure that's unique to them, instead of making it like Sony's.

We don't want copy cats now. And Sony fanboys saying "we had it first".

EDIT: This is an idea I've been thinking of for while.

I was think MS had different servers within their infrastructure. That allows users to switch between The core achievement and gamerscore system and other being for modding and "influencing" system but with out gamerscore and achievement.

That would be the coolest thing ever imo. 1 tailor for achievements and GS and the other for the modding community, but it'll never happen though.

Why o why4028d ago (Edited 4028d ago )

Explain the modding part.. sounds different.

Secondly, I believe If there were no achievements there may never of been trophies. Copying happens. Trophies are an evolution of achievements. No loss of face if ms implemented a semi similar version.

At evil, nothing wrong with a revamp dude. A number doesn't paint a better picture than a tiered system. Ease of use and accessibility was always something live 'preferrers' said they liked...

*preferrers should be a real word*

iNathan4028d ago

Trophies are just a rip off lol

let gamerscore alone, i dont care about it but its a good thing to have.

Irishguy954028d ago (Edited 4028d ago )

Trophies are a rip off, but also an improvement. Trophies and numbers versus Numbers.

I think both are **** anyway. I don't want bragging rights myself/proof of being a loser.

There will be alot here who try and disagree that Sony only put in trophies because MS had achievements. Psn was basically taking all of the Xboxs(including gold) features and playing catch up for years. All that is left is cross game chat.

InactiveUser4028d ago

Trophies and levels* vs. numbers.

I go for platinums now that they're there, but at times it feels like work instead of fun, but it's also nice to have that extra challenge and get more out of the games and add to replay value.

The only addition I want to see with trophies is the ability to delete or hide games you don't want on your trophy list. Games you didn't like, don't feel like going back to, just wanted to try out, etc.

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WeAreLegion4028d ago

Ratchet & Clank had "Achievements" on the PS2, so I don't think anyone stole the idea.

GameCents4028d ago

I like my Gamerscore thank you very much.

mrbojingles4028d ago

Only on N4G would three people disagree with someone simply saying they like something,...

SegaGamer4028d ago

Who really cares how many points you get for certain achievements ?

I have a love hate feeling towards achievements. I think they are a good idea but most achievements are not fun to achieve, most of them are boring, especially online ones. I would love it if online achievements were removed.

SpiralTear4028d ago

I don't think there's any way to get online achievements once the games that have them are taken offline.

admiralvic4028d ago

Depends what the task entails. Sometimes the "online" achievements can be done with splitscreen (at least with trophies), though if it requires online to do... then no.

fsfsxii4027d ago

Anybody remembers Ghost Recon Future Soldier online trophies/Achievments?? One of the most boring and hard trophies i ever tried to get, and failed

LAZL0-Panaflex4027d ago

Me too but they're put there so u don't sell the game

Supermax4028d ago

I think you should be able to use your gamer score to buy Xbox live games with or any other media you can get threw live.

SpiralTear4028d ago (Edited 4028d ago )

As great and logical as that sounds for gamers, Microsoft would lose a ton of money on that unless the exchange rate was something bizarrely unfair...like 10000 Gamerscore Points equals 40 Microsoft Store points.

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Microsoft's Absurd Antics Have Me Scared For Dishonored And Arkane Lyon's Future

With Arkane Austin no more and Lyon living for who knows how long, the superb Dishonored is in serious danger; Microsoft cannot be trusted.

Relientk777h ago

I love the Dishonored series so much and really want Dishonored 3. Microsoft better not screw this up.

JEECE4h ago

I mean, I think the fans will probably kill Arkane Lyon by cooking up reasons to hate whatever they do next without playing it. I've never seen a game so artificially disliked as Deathloop.

thesoftware7304h ago

Lol, why don't we just say, we are worried about all studios owned by MS now. They will keep closing studios until they have none left ...🙄

Skuletor1h ago

Just merge them all into a single studio, have it churn out a single Call of Duty every year and call it a day, lol.

Barlos1h ago

Don't be scared, you'll be fine.

Skuletor1h ago

It's exputer, fine is one word I would not associate with them.

Profchaos56m ago

I think it's becoming clear based on matt bootys comments there's no future for any IP that can't sell above 10 million within the launch window. But is also a small game that gives them prestige

/S it's beyond a joke right now

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More Job Losses At Xbox, “There’s More To Come”: Paul Thurrott

Paul Thurrott in a recent episode commented on the on-going Microsoft fiasco hinting at more job losses and that "there's more to come".

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Sonic18812d ago (Edited 2d ago )

There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future . Xbox has to pay Microsoft back. It might take two decades to do that.

sagapo2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I don’t understand what you’re saying. Xbox IS microsoft so there’s no “paying back “.
And MS gross profit in 2023 was over 140 billion dollars so forget your 2 decades.

Unless you mean the money MS invested in Xbox (acquisitions included) and the time it will take for xbox as a brand to gain that money back on it’s own, then yeah, that could take a while.

romulus231d 23h ago

The better term to use might be return on investment, xbox is simply a division of Microsoft one that MS can easily do away with if profit margins are not met. So in that regard he's right, if xbox isn't showing the expected return on investment the higher ups are expecting than it's unlikely Microsoft will acquire any other studios any time soon, especially if they are spending billions buying developers just to shut them down in the end.

MrBaskerville1d 15h ago (Edited 1d 15h ago )

Xbox is a division that they discussed shutting down but doubled down on after Gamepass was pitched.

It needs to make money at some point. Big money.

KwietStorm_BLM1d 15h ago

So you do understand it or..?

rokos1d 13h ago

According to Statista the net income of Microsoft is about $72.4 billion dollars which is a bit lower than last year profit. That is almost as much as Activision's acquisition but I assume that would be a one off since it costs so much plus I see how their focus has been shifted to AI, thus any major future investments will probably be in that area.

Markusb331d 12h ago

i think you are really missing the point

VariantAEC1d 3h ago

@romulus23
That is not why MS buys studios. They might continue to buy because it's about taking that sweet sweet IP out of the corporate husks of their acquisitions.

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SonyStyled2d ago

“There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future”

No bro, there do be is for Microsoft not acquiring for what is now if not what it be is 😂

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ChasterMies1d 16h ago

Xbox isn’t a separate company from Microsoft. It’s all Microsoft.

Abear211d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

Let’s be real, this is the media spinning all the acquisitions and liquidations of said developers and spinning it to make M$ the villain.

This was bound to happen, a bigger slice of pie and cut costs, when the games come they stand to make more and that’s their agenda—it was the writing on the wall when the sales went through and legally all those who approved the sale and mergers knew this would happen.

Snowflakes need to realize business is ugly and you can cry all you want but this is how capitalism works. And it works.

That said, M$ needs to steer the narrative and grab hold of all this, make their plans known, hype the hell out of all those dead IP’s they plan to revive, and be honest about the timeline. This is likely to involve mobile and IP on other consoles, and most people realize that.

The problem is this company is incapable of being transparent and seems to often want to dissuade and confuse is customer base. The lack of E3 has hurt Microsoft and I don’t think they know how to properly or effectively market their brand anymore.

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jwillj2k42d ago

There really needs to be a class action lawsuit here. You buy these companies just to put people out of jobs. And it’s not like something happened to derail their plans this WAS the plan. Microsoft has no business in this space at all.

franwex2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Microsoft has been doing this for years. They simply want the IPs. Look at Nokia. Look at Skype. This time it simply expanded to games. Gaming is not as important to Microsoft’s executives as it was to the founders too. Bill Gates was willing to sell the og Xbox at a loss. Steve Balmer approved the red ring of death fiasco. This CEO isn’t really a gamer.

-Foxtrot2d ago

Maybe it's time though to put a stop to it and use a big giant like Microsoft as a huge example to the rest of these big companies.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere.

People like the FTC and the like went against Microsoft yet their Actvision deal was still allowed to go through yet look what's happened...it's not even Acitivisions studios aswell, it's Bethesdas.

VariantAEC1d 3h ago

Years?

Try several decades, and in the gaming space 2.3 decades.

Jon615861d 12h ago

You do realize this happens in ALL industries? Or are you just saying this because it is Microsoft? In any case I feel for those that are being let go but the trch industry is suffering right now.

jwillj2k41d 7h ago (Edited 1d 7h ago )

This absolutely does NOT happen all the time. Let me know the last time 1 company with a terrible product track record spent 100 billion onto acquire MULTIPLE successful companies in under a year only to shut them down and stop making their products regardless of how successful they were. Not merge them, completely shut them down.

And you can’t use Microsoft in your example.

Notellin1d 7h ago (Edited 1d 7h ago )

Class action lawsuit? The law is on their side and protects them at all costs. There are no rules to protect the people at the bottom.

jwillj2k41d 7h ago

Not true when it comes to mass layoff do your research.

RNTody2d ago

Ninja Theory, Perfect Dark, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Wolfenstein 3, Dishonored, Prey, Doom, Quake... something tells me that bad things are going to happen to these entities under Microsoft.

MrDead1d 21h ago

ID software, the makers of Doom and Wolfenstein that have been with us since 1991 could be gone and MS will keep the IPs.

I hope some of these studios can buy their freedom from MS otherwise this is going to be even more devastating for the industry and gamers.

Yui_Suzumiya1d 18h ago (Edited 1d 18h ago )

That's exactly what I'm worried about. I've been a fan of id since Wolfenstein 3D and I'm honestly afraid.

lodossrage1d 14h ago

Toys for Bob saw the writing on the wall and bought themselves out.

Wouldn't be the first time a company did that under MS either. Bungie and Twisted Pixel did the same. Considering what just happened, I can see some other devs trying to buy themselves out too.

anast2d ago

Good thing the bosses of all those small studios made their money.

glenn19792d ago

they cant do it right now they will get burned

XiNatsuDragnel1d 22h ago

Phil and his team need to be gone

lodossrage1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

Won't make a difference.

The whole structure needs to be overhauled. Anyone that replaces Phil will be no different than him, Mattrick, or anyone else.

Until the company changes how they go about business, nothing will change

glenn19791d 11h ago

I just don't have any idea what they would do , they have done sooo much damage on their xbox brand, they have a show at July or June I think, but will it even matter even they show amazing games, idkn

lodossrage1d 14h ago

True,

But they may as well get it over with. Whether it happens now or later, the burning is going to hit the same.

Reality is the ONE move that can alleviate a lot of this is the one move they can't make. Remove day 1 from gamepass.

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Microsoft Opening Xbox Mobile Game Store in July

The Xbox brand is expanding, as an Xbox mobile game store is opening this coming July where Microsoft will brings its "first-party portfolio."

Jin_Sakai3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

“Bond adds that they will start on the web”

This will go nowhere.

Nice knowing you Xbox. This is what happens when the house never gets cleaned.

MrDead3d ago

The only this MS is expanding is the amount of feculence it sprays on everyone who just want to enjoy gaming and make games.

The best thing MS can do for the gaming industry is leave and never return.

XiNatsuDragnel3d ago

Good luck with this even it might not succeed.

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