'Next Xbox Will Not Be Compatible With Second Hand'

NowGamer: Managing director of publisher Xing Interactive adds for the next Xbox 'you’ll have to go through Microsoft to do anything'

[Godmars290]

So while Sony is looking to be more open and accessible, Ms is going the more controlling route?

Though really, if their push next gen is the cable box, entertainment, games are going to be something that's just there on the system.

[TimmyShire]

Sony has really turned itself around, somehow. Asked most people a couple of years ago and things would have looked bleak for Sony (sadly), but these days it seems everyone can't get enough of 'em.

Hurray!

[Abash]

'Next Xbox Will Not Be Compatible With Second Hand'

So no buying used games, no borrowing games from friends, and no option to rent a game even?

I really never thought a new game console could sound as unappealing as the next Xbox

[jimbobwahey]

It's worth taking into account that Sony requires an online pass for all their first-party games so that people buying used have to cough up extra cash if they want to play their games online. This is something that Microsoft do not do to their customers, and they appear to be much more tolerant of used games than Sony is.

As such, I'm incredibly wary of any rumors that spring up claiming that Microsoft will block used games with the next Xbox, since so far this console gen they've been much more considerate to gamers who buy used than Sony has.

[Philoctetes]

"It's worth taking into account that Sony requires an online pass for all their first-party games so that people buying used have to cough up extra cash if they want to play their games online. This is something that Microsoft do not do to their customers, and they appear to be much more tolerant of used games than Sony is. "

Yeah, because Microsoft would never charge people to use their own internet connections to play online games that they already bought.

[Darrius Cole]

@Jimbobwahey, Post# 1.1.2

What are you talking about? Microsoft doesn't have to attach an online pass to used copies of games they publish, because Microsoft charges you to play online with the original, brand new copy.

[GameSpawn]

@Darrius Cole

Remember that XBL fees are money in Microsoft's hands, not the publisher or developer. This is why day 1 on disc DLC exists; publishers are trying to recoup however they can.

I have no issue with online passes as they are a "fair" compromise. Remember you have a choice to buy new at $60 (online pass included free) or used at $45-50 and then optionally (key word here) purchase the online pass for $10.

All that being said, the only way I can see what the article is talking about as working is that Microsoft ties the games to your XBL account and if the game is bought used you'd pay a fee to untie it from the original owner and retie it to yourself. This would be far more complicated than "online passes" and an open system for used games; it would give Microsoft more control and the ability to track trades though.

[EVILDEAD360]

Nothing has changed.

Xbox mini will be only be online as already stated.

The 720 will be offline and will support used games.

Evil

[fr0sty]

Jimbo, I've never had to use an online pass with any first party sony game. They have mentioned all games using it, but so far have not implemented it. Uncharted 3 didn't even ask me for a code, though that was the last first party game I bought.

[3-4-5]

Not compatible with Used games = Not profitable system.

Seems like Microsoft is abandoning it's hardcore market and trying to go pure TV/Cable/Movies/ Casual route.

That may be good for Microsoft, but bad for the Xbox brand......you know the brand that has given them millions.

[gatormatt80]

@fr0sty,

Sony now uses online passes. I'm not sure which game it was first implemented in, but I rented GoW:A from Gamefly and I wasn't able to play online without an online pass.

[DOMination-]

Sony already said they have some tech that detects preowned games inside the ps4 but was up to publishers if they wanted to use it.

MS said they do NOT have this tech.

This rumour could end up true. System wide inability would suck for those who buy second hand. But right now only one console is confirmed to block and n4g glosses over the fact that console is the ps4.

[Rainstorm81]

PS4 confirmed to Block games?......link please...I must've missed that in the press conference......

Here's my link...can u match it?

http://n4g.com/news/1168888...

[DragonKnight]

@EVILDEAD360: "Nothing has changed."

From the nothing that already was?

"Xbox mini will be only be online as already stated."

Citation needed.

"The 720 will be offline and will support used games."

Citation needed.

Remember kids "My own damn opinion" is not a credible citation. Show your work, credit your sources.

[DragonKnight]

@DOMination-: First, read this.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Note this: "Interestingly, I also spoke to a Sony source elsewhere at the event this evening who told me that the anti used-game patent discovered last month was actually nothing to do with PlayStation 4 at all."

And this: "But whatever reason Sony did have for patenting it, it sounds like it wasn't for its next-generation console."

Then read this.

http://arstechnica.com/gami...

Note this: "While Yoshida's statement leaves open the possibility that individual publishers can still block used games at will, it's just as likely he was simply leaving the door open for the kind of "Online Pass" purchase systems that already routinely limit certain online game functions in used copies of games."

Every source except for one, that being the managing director at Sony UK, says used games will work on the PS4. I'm inclined to take the word of executives like Jack Tretton and Shuhei Yoshida over a managing director who wouldn't know anything that these two executives don't.

[Saigon]

It amazes me that we all are condemning Sony and MS for this feature that may occur when technically some publishers and developers have started to already apply these features within this current generation, and I expect them to continue to the next. I know for a fact several used games that I have purchased that require an additional purchase to access online features. By Sony and MS applying the feature (Sony as an option and MS, we don't know yet) in their next console, I can expect most publishers to actually use it. So we can purchase used games, but in order to access the content of the game, you have to purchase an additional feature.

[NegativeCreepWA]

Lol, did any of you bother looking up this no name publisher? Hardly a reliable source.

[g2gshow]

it's all about money a lot of companies are taking a wait an see approach to all this microsoft will lead the way the rest will soon fallow gamers are not united an the new generation dont care nor do fanboy's. it will all come to pass sooner or later

[BattleAxe]

Sony going the good way, while Microsoft going the Apple way of control.

[Boody-Bandit]

I sure hope we are being Rick Rolled and MS isn't this stupid. New only will be the kiss of death for them. That can't be this stupid, can they?

E3 can't get here soon enough. If these rumors turn out to be true? I prefer options and having resale value in my purchases. That and "it's been a blast MS but I feel we are headed in different directions." CIAO

[jmc8888]

What people forget though is that the 'online pass' has to do with the online portion of a game.

True for quite a few games this is an instant deal breaker in terms of how many people use games. As many games people buy just for the multiplayer.

But for microsoft this means, if true, is that NO part of the game will be able to be used. It may not even be an option to buy an online pass as the disc may not run at all.

Then again if the console isn't connect to the internet for a multitude of reasons, the console itself would be worthless as well.

I also wonder what happens if you move or have an online service that doesn't give you the same IP.

[nukeitall]

I find it ironic that online passes is a way to block used games, so in essence when Sony, a first party, pretty much introduced this and made it acceptable, nobody gave a damn.

Suddenly now used games is an issue?

I have always been against online passes, because it never actually gave me anything and pretty much just took my rights away.

If you can give me something compelling in return for the lack of ability to play used games, then I might, just might be fine with it.

It's like MP3, CDs has better quality, but I will take MP3 for convenience and cost. However, I will not take nasty DRM on my music.

[THEMIGHTYDOOVDE]

'Sony has really turned itself around, somehow'..... other than showing the PS4's basic spec, a controller, and a handful of demos, I don't think Sony have done anything to turn their fortunes around.

[loulou]

you cant beat n4g. a positive m$ rumour gets the "wait and see" from the sony fanboys, yet a negative one gets over 200 comments of hate..

troll on kids

[MrBeatdown]

@nukeitall

You act like Sony originated it. This is despite the fact that EA pioneered it, and WB and Ubisoft followed suit, making Sony the FOURTH publisher to require it. Quite hypocritical coming from someone who, just a few days ago, accused someone of being a lying fanboy.

Making your bullcrap all the more hilarious is that you try to imply some hypocrisy by saying "nobody gave a damn" about online passes, despite the huge backlash against it, which even helped EA earn the title of "worst company in America".

What's even more hypocritical is that this is coming from a guy who's clearly pro-Microsoft, a company that asks you to put in your credit card number to play your new games online, instead of just a code that comes in the box.

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

lol @ nukeitall

***"I have always been against online passes, because it never actually gave me anything and pretty much just took my rights away."***

I'm pretty sure everyone is against online passes and what "rights" are you referring to being taken away? The ability to play used games online without an additional fee? You do realize that MS pretty much does that with new and used games, right? As you have to pay for live in order to play your games online...

[LOGICWINS]

I wouldn't call removing the "Other OS" feature from the PS3 and limiting Vita owners to expensive proprietary memory cards "open and accessible" on Sony's part. EVERY company wants to control your content to an extent.

Microsoft is simply taking the practice a step further. They probably figure that the revenue they lose from rebellious consumers who want to play used games is gained back tenfold by consumers who sign contracts for two year cable subscriptions. Very smart on their part.

Not to mention the goodwill they'll have with developers given this strong stance on anti-piracy.

[ziggurcat]

since when is legally buying a used game piracy?

[LOGICWINS]

^^I never said it was. I'm referring to people who have been making copies of 360 games for the past half decade.

[asmith2306]

Very smart? I don't think so. If Microsoft block used games they have officially gone full retard in regards to what they bring to gamers. And I am talking about core gamers, the ones who made the 360 and the original Xbox sell in the first place. It's never good for business when you alienate your core audience and fanbase.

I don't think devs will benefit from this either. Look at the uproar over Sim City, which went to great efforts to have always online. It crashed and burned, and as a result Maxis is marked because of the negative publicity. Any screw up with always online is a major one. Devs don't need that hanging over them.

What you need is better business models; subscription services such as PS+ are the way to go if you want to defeat piracy and ween people off used games. I don't know many people who say they don't love what they get out of PS+. I'm saying this as a person who has never bought used either. Kill used or try to block it with always online, is a disasterous approach, unless you bring services that fill the void.

[Godmars290]

Other OS had to be removed for a reason everyone here should very well know. And while the Vita MC can't really be defended, at least they did more than take something off the shelf and put it in an enclosure.

As for MS and goodwill, from what I'm hearing they don't really have any. Not with small and indie.

Also, was talking about the next console cycle. Not the current one. And even then Sony's games are region free. Physical ones anyway.

[Genuine-User]

You can't be serious LOGICWINS.
Sony is well within their rights to do those things.
On the other hand, Microsoft seems more intrusive and anti consumer if all these rumours are to be believed.
Those propriety memory cards can work on as many different Vitas as you want, as long as you format them.
Microsoft is planning to limit the disc to a single account. That I believe is unethical.

[LOGICWINS]

"And I am talking about core gamers, the ones who made the 360 and the original Xbox sell in the first place. It's never good for business when you alienate your core audience and fanbase."

It doesn't seem like you understand whats going on here. Microsoft is WILLING to lose a chunk of their core gamer audience if it means getting a bigger piece of the casual pie.

Microsoft isn't stupid. This is a company that made over $2 billion on XBL subs alone this gen.

As much as people here want it to happen, they wouldn't do something thats going to put them in the red.

"As for MS and goodwill, from what I'm hearing they don't really have any. Not with small and indie."

Does that matter to 99% of people? Will most people spend $299-$399 for a 720 to play AAA titles or $5-$15 indie game?

@alessandro10- I love how keyboard warriors think they understand business better than billion dollar companies.

[alessandro10]

good luck with that

lets see DAT goodwill when everyone starts to jump out

[DarkSlayerSparda]

dumb

[Godmars290]

"Microsoft is WILLING to lose a chunk of their core gamer audience if it means getting a bigger piece of the casual pie."

And given how well the casual market supported the Wii, you honestly consider the active alienation of a segment of its current market a good idea?

Also if rumor is true and they're going more towards TV and entertainment support, anything resembling hardcore gaming support if going to whittle to Halo and anything else with name recognition while quality is actually casual.

[LOGICWINS]

No, the Wii and the 720 are two different beasts. The Wii went for casual gamers, the 720 on the otherhand is going for casuals in general(people who spend more time streaming/social networking, watching cable than gaming). There are more potential consumers for the latter than the former.

If Microsoft subsidizes the 720 to $199 with a 2 year sub to XBL Gold, Cable, and Netflix for $25 a month, you REALLY believe they won't be successful?

[grimmweisse]

Good will working with developers is not some BS archaic form of DRM. Working with devs making it easier to release on to your platform is what is needed and making the tools available for your particular platform readily available.

If these RUMORS have truth to them, then many gamers will shy away from the Nextbox. Always online or connected is never a good option. Previous and current games with those DRM restrictions has proven that its a problem.

[kayoss]

@logicwins
"Does that matter to 99% of people? Will most people spend $299-$399 for a 720 to play AAA titles or $5-$15 indie game?"

Have you seen the ipad and tablet users? They spend $400-600 for an Ipad or Iphone so they can play $0.99 games. Most of these games are indie games too. Yes it true they use the Ipad for other purposes, but i can guarantee that %85 of the Ipad user uses their Ipads to play these games during their pass time, How do you explain Angry bird, candy crush, words with friends, etc...???

[LOGICWINS]

"Have you seen the ipad and tablet users? They spend $400-600 for an Ipad or Iphone so they can play $0.99 games."

?????

But thats not ALL people do with an iPAD. You KNOW that.

[Thirty3Three]

@asmith2306:

You said, " they have officially gone full retard "

Can I use this? I just spit my water all over my computer XD

[Qrphe]

Now you're just arguing for Microsoft's corporate interests instead of your own.
If they do choose to block used games then let them rot and don't try to defend them. That said I don't expect them to block them (it'd be unbelievably stupid).

[T2]

So people think its ok to buy an item you cant share with a friend ? Hey can I borrow your car? No sorry gotta buy a key from ford ... Only an absolute sucker would lie down and take this

[Rainstorm81]

Logic your name is so ironic sometimes

If MS abandons gamers for its next GAME Console then it will fail..... Whether it's Kinect Gears or Halo the Xbox Brand is associated with Gaming...when they abandon that to be a casual hardware device , Nintendo and Sony will no longer consider them competition, just as they don't consider Comcast or FIOS boxes competition...and yes they play games as well.

Also u said "the Wii and the 720 are two different beasts. The Wii went for casual gamers, the 720 on the otherhand is going for casuals in general".

That statement is ridiculous, the Wii got grandparents and soccer moms and more into gaming that may have never touched a game prior to the Wii...the crowd you are think MS are aiming for have no reason to get a Xbox720 if they already have a cable service or smart tv and have no interest in gaming....unless its incredibly affordable..... even then I've used FIOS on 360 and it's a mere shadow of the actual FIOS service ( missing channels, features , etc..)

[DragonKnight]

"I wouldn't call removing the "Other OS" feature from the PS3 and limiting Vita owners to expensive proprietary memory cards "open and accessible" on Sony's part."

Yes, because removing a weakness in security that less than 1% of the userbase used and was not a necessary feature for the console's basic function is exactly the same as closed and restrictive practices with the prohibition of used games. EXACTLY the same. /s

[CEOSteveBallmer]

Dude I somehow get your point in a business point of view, But its still "Risky" for them if they are going to do this. And you really sounded like you defend microsoft as if you gain something from it. I dont mind if you defend microsoft if what their doing is good. But even though these are rumors, still they are unappealing no matter where you look at it. I too defend my console or company of choice which is sony because I see that their way of doing things is good if not great and very "Pro" consumer. But if they have done something unappealing too then I will not stand up for them. Like example they chose region lock games for the first time. But its just an example. No matter how we love our brand of clothing or devices, if they done something against their customers, I dont think standing up for them is a good idea.

[gigoran]

Right, because Microsoft allows you to buy any hdd you want and install it in the xbox360. Oh wait....

[iamlegend9999]

Main reason why i'm switching and the the main main reason i'm switching is because planetside 2 was hinted to be on playstation 4. When i heard that i was like "SOLD".

[blackpanther25]

The whole thing I love about the PS4 is that it is going to open the door for more MMOs on consoles.

[abzdine]

i dont care what manufacturer we are talking about but no preowned no buy, it's as simple as it sounds.

This means no one can borrow games from friends? NO WAY!

[indysurfn]

Not only that but as @asmith2306 said "Microsoft has officially gone FULL RETARD!"@asmith2306

[mcstorm]

What I find funny is this is a rumour nothing else.

If Ms drop xbox live subscription then I see them making a online pass like Sony do for there exclusive games where they can only be used once to play on line and then if you buy the game 2nd hand you will have to buy the pass as well.

I don't thing any of the big 3 will stop pre owned games next gen as people would end up with far to many games hanging around in there homes that they never play. I also think it would hurt sales of games Ike fifa ect as people will not want 7 copy's in there collection

[Rainstorm81]

@mcstorm

MS already will have a tough road justifying a subscription for XBL IMO....most if not all of XBL current payed features will be free on other consoles this gen

[Godz Kastro]

I wish people would stop acting as if this is not inevitable. Sony and MS need to catch up to modern day platforms like apple/google/amazon when it comes to digital distribution. The only reason this is talked about is because they are still using physical media which is on its way out and I for one can not wait.

I want a nice clean interface that displays all my games and I can hop in and out with no need to touch a disk...

Its gonna happen people, both MS and Sony will go this route. The question is when?

[AngelicIceDiamond]

More flip flopping rumors, as usual I call BS.

Meanwhile this seems plausible

https://www.google.com/url?...

In case nobody reads it:

"Moving away from questions of hardware for second - remember Black Tusk Studios? The exciting new people who're developing at least four new IP, presumably for the new console? They're in the market for a campaign engineer with serious "core" credentials. "This opportunity is best suited for an experienced engineer with a background working closely with Design to create outstanding single-player experiences in a core AAA game," reads the listing in question.
"The role will be to create and maintain custom campaign gameplay systems that are needed for our game. Our ideal candidate will be a committed gamer with a passion for delivering new experiences to the core consumer." Experience with the Unreal Engine is preferred. Hmm.

Black Tusk also needs a senior services engineer to help assemble "a reliable high-traffic web application to support console and multi-screen end points". Multi-screen, eh? Could this be a SmartGlass-style auxiliary in-game service of some kind?"

This seems more interesting than the same flip flopping rumor that pops up every week.

[Godmars290]

And it could just as well be for the WiiU. More so in fact specifically because the WiiU comes with a tablet device.

[Blaze929]

can we start putting rumor in the title for these RUMORS? Geeze we already know how gullible the internet is. This just makes it even worse acting like they know what they're talking about; a product that hasn't even been announced yet.

http://darkzero.co.uk/game-...

That saying it's false now this saying it's true.

Here we again. June really can't come soon enough >_>

[Godz Kastro]

Thats what im saying... everyone is talking as if this is set in stone. I wish the internet would just shut up until june...

[omi25p]

When a rumour appeared on this site the other day, saying the 720 will use used game and is more powerful than the ps4. Everyone said to ignore it because its just a rumour.

Now its negative towards the 720 its got to be true.

People on this site are so full of it.

[MysticStrummer]

That goes both ways. Negative 720 rumors are dismissed by the faithful, while positive rumors must be true. Let's also not forget the years of negative PS3 articles we saw on this site that's supposedly run by PS3 fanboys.

[Condemnedman]

Mysticstrummer

THE SOLE REASON THE NEGATIVE ARTICLES APPEAR ON HERE
IS BECAUSE OF ALL THE HITS THE SITE GETS BECAUSE OF CHILDISH
FOOLS ON HERE COME TO DEFEND THEIR CONSOLE OF CHOICE !

[DragonKnight]

^^ ALL CAPS RAGE OVER NOTHING!!

[Objective]

Agreed. And if you check on the number of positive or negative comments on each of such articles and the number of agrees or disagrees each comment receives, you get a very clear picture of which camp of childish fools overrun this site.

[MuhammadJA]

Your disagrees prove your point. This site reeks of hypocrisy.

[jmc8888]

Well there's a reason for that.

If you look around there's literally been somewhere around a hundred articles with various sources of whatever credibility that says one way.

Then there's been maybe a handful the other way.

This doesn't guarantee anything one way or the other, but it is very reasonable for people to have formed a mindset towards a certain viewpoint.

Afterall MS has had months to deny these rumors, as these rumors ARE very damaging to their brand.

It's never a good thing to let thousands and thousands of people to swear off the 720 if these things are true, and then just expect every one of them can be won back. Quite a few are already gone.

Lets put it this way.

If you are standing still and everyone is running towards you from one direction saying Godzilla is coming and then you turn around and find one person running your way saying Godzilla is coming.

Which way are you going to run?

In absence of official information, which MS is guilty of not providing in light of rumors of such impactful nature, people are going to draw conclusions from the information that is around them.

In this case, hundreds of articles over months of timeframe of vast negative consequence have been rumored. MS are fools for letting it fester like it is. It's the worst publicity possible.

[bunt-custardly]

NEXT XBOX (XBOX MINI) will not be compatible with second hand.

Yeh we already know this, and I like how the article doesn't make the distinction between which next Xbox Connolly is talking about.

Nowgamer says Xbox 720 yet Connolly says next xbox.

Way to play with words.

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

"So while Sony is looking to be more open and accessible, Ms is going the more controlling route? "

ps4tw!!

[ichimaru]

Lol wait, what happened to "wait for an official announcement " . dude at least be a consistent troll

[JasonKCK]

how many more of these same rumors going to pop up on N4G? this is like rumor number 5000 of the same damn thing.

[jmc8888]

Which with its so negative content forming first impressions on Microsoft's new content is akin to....

Every newspaper in an area introducing a political candidate each with an article talking about how they are a convicted sex offender with multiple dui's who can be easily bought off on any issue and also kicks dogs.

Meanwhile said candidate remains quiet.

Yeah, smart move Microsoft.

[indysurfn]

once again if this is true, the xbox 360 will be my last Microsoft machine. Looks like instead of having Microsoft/Sony combo I will have a Sony/Nintendo combo! LOL. BLANK MICROSOFT AND EA!

[Virus201]

What ever happened to "Let's wait for official announcements"? Last week we hear good news(rumors) about the NextBox and everyone wants to wait for "official announcements". Now we go back to the bad news (rumors) and everyone want to accept it as truth. F'in pathetic.

[infamousinfolite]

MICROSOFT NEEDS TO COME OUT HERE AND REVEAL THEIR CONSOLE ALREADY. Too many rumors out here that people are running blind don't know what to believe anymore.

[Double_O_Revan]

Exactly. It's one thing to have rumors for a new console, but with the all the outright insanely negative rumors for their next system, they really need to say Something. At this point their still playing the neutral PR bullcrap and denying even the Existence of the next system.

I'm willing to bet we don't get anything before E3. Which is a long ways when it come to these rumors on a daily basis. I also think they're on damage control behind the scenes with last minute changes because they got caught off guard by Sony's reveal.

[takohma]

@infamousinfolite- you're right they need to at least give small tease or some kind of info about it all.

@azshorty2003- After reading the history on E3 at ign I agree with you about Microsoft doing damage control. Sony has done this before with putting news out about a system surprising the competition. Sony did that before with a price cut on the PSX which forced Nintendo to cut the price on the N64. I could be wrong on details but it was a similar situation. It seems like Sony is getting back to there old days with surprise announcements.

[JokesOnYou]

Well his assumption is just based on rumors, either way these companys will get their money micro makes you pay up front for online, sony makes you pay through an online pass. Lets wait and see what micros strategy is next gen, Im guessing it will be much the same as far as online charges are concerned.

vv @zichu dont sweat it, people are not jumping ship to sony based on rumors, thats all n4g talk, those folks werent going to buy the next xbox even if it cooked you breakfast too, if micro incorporates great games, with the best online structure, plus intergrated tv/set top box programming like I believe they will, I guarantee you the next xbox will be the best selling console in the US by far and do similiar sales to this gen in other markets.

[takohma]

lol you are right I wasnt planning on buying the next xbox even though I have a 360. That breakfast bit was very funny though lol. But.....if the next xbox makes protein shakes I would by it!!!!! lol

[Urusernamesucks]

"So while Sony is looking to be more open and accessible, Ms is going the more controlling route?"

Sony has officialy revealed theyre conlsole and its ideas, ms hasnt,so STFU.

[slapedurmomsace]

If Microsoft is successful, Sony will follow suit. They are a business, not your friend.

[Godmars290]

All companies are greedy, but are still defined by what methods they use in order to get your money.

MS comes up with XBL Gold, which makes you pay to access features in both games and console. Sony sees this and come up with PS+, which is at first a discount sales, then later a game leasing or rental service. Both are basically the same and yet PS+, developed upon the example of XBL, actually gives something other than what could be considered basic.

[slapedurmomsace]

@godmars, Oh I completely agree, and I really don't think it would be added to the PS4, that would be a huge disaster to all of a sudden make peoples games non-playable. I'm thinking that would be added for the PS5 if Sony as a company is still around. What I'm trying to say is, people point to Sony as if they are their personal friend and are only looking out for the gamer. That's not true, they are looking out for themselves, and will make money where ever they can, just like any other business, they just aren't as blantly dickheadish about it as Microsoft is. But it's made up for in other ways.

As in example, Microsoft charges a ridiculous amount for a small hard drive that you have to buy from MS. Where Sony lets any lap top drive in. Huge advantage Sony. However, Sony removed features from the PS3 as time has moved on and than lowered the price. I.E. You paid less and got less, (though in my personal case, I didn't give a rip about the features that were removed) Where MS added wireless with B/G/N* and the priced stayed. (though it should've been there to begin with) and when sony made the super slim they didn't add wireless N, which kinda did suck.

Honestly we could go back and forth like this for a while, but the bottom line is, I'm not a fan boy of either system, I'm a fan of gaming in general, if it's on PC/360/PS3 or old school systems, and from you response where you weren't an ass for no reason, I'm sure you agree it would be a waste of our time. Just gets tiring to see people destroy Microsoft for unconfirmed rumors, but when the rumors was the PS4 would block used games, no one believed it. I can understand people wanna defend Sony and the PS3 cause they like the company, but the PS3 fans on here at least, are really teetering on becoming worse the Apple fanboys. If you wanna be a fan boy of something gaming related, become a fan boy of a developer. I'm a huge Naughty Dog fan, and have been since Crash, and would follow them even if they did start to make games on other platforms, I'd buy the other platform if I didn't have it just for their game. Just to add, i don't mean this personally towards you, just any fan boy for anything system

[Godmars290]

The only reason we'd go back and forth is that you equate having to remove Other OS from the PS3 as an obituary money saving action. Ignore that MS sold wifi adapters separately when they'd been in the PS3 since day one, or that upgrading it would be of general advantage and not just something tech minded gamers would be concerned about.

When Sony offered their console it was as the best they had to offer at the time and was sold at a loss. When MS offered theirs its cheapest and shortchanging version was advertised the most, it ate discs and resulted in "RRoD" becoming a common term.

Going back the original argument: companies DO NOT do the same things. Some put their interests besides those of their customers while others put them above. MS has done things which in my opinion puts them in the latter category. If you see things differently then you just do, but at least try and bring up some evidence or cherry pick it.

[slapedurmomsace]

@Godmars..yeah I guess i was wrong, you were interested in going back and forth. You go ahead and bring up the RROD problem that has zero to do with the conversation and has been resolved for years, and I'll just go ahead and bring up the fact PSN was hacked and account info was stolen. I know this cause Sony bought me a year of identity protection as an I'm sorry with a cheap game. And no, it wasn't just an OS removal, you just go ahead and ignore the USB ports and SD/XD card ports were removed. No problem.

As far as the Wifi, wifi back in 05/06 as a dedicated connection was unreliable at best. Most people had their system hard wired. Though I agree it was stupid of MS not to include is, as I'm sure it'd costed them $5 a console to do so.

And I guess it's only cherry picking cause you think I'm picking on Sony, well I apologize but as you said yourself, all companies are Greedy, but somehow Sony is greedy company that has it's customers best interests at heart. Yeah ok

[takohma]

@slapedurmomsace Dont forget the original xbox 360 didnt have hdmi connections. My friends original one finally bit the dust lol.

so if you wanted a hdmi you would have to buy another 360 I think the elites had started using hdmi. Then if you wanted wifi you would have to get another 360...lol so that 3-xbox 360 just to get what the ps3 already had.

[miDnIghtEr20C_SfF]

Typical N4G. This is a bad rumor for MS and the Durango, and everyone is jumping on and talking about it like it's true.

Good rumor comes out last week or week before about Durango, and being pretty powerful, and right away everyone disses it, and says no way, never could happen.

Only the negative rumors are true on n4g.

[jmc8888]

You're reading it wrong.

Which shows you WHY Microsoft in FACT has already screwed up.

When hundreds of articles from many sources say one thing, and a single or handful or articles contradicts it, which are people likely to believe?

The part which is FACT, is that Microsoft has ALLOWED this situation to fester when all they had to do is come out and say that these negative rumors are false (if they are) and that when they have something to announce they'll announce it.

So either MS IS doing this, and they're screwed.

or

MS isn't doing this, but everyone already thinks they do, which means they are screwed, just a decent portion less.

Great job Microsoft. You guys must have the same PR people as EA.

[g2gshow]

im just going to say it like this this is where the industrie is headed if we like it or not just like fare hikes an so on. sony an every ne els pc will get on the band wagon sooner or later. when they see microsoft making all that money an publishers geting a bigger return on sales an not losing out on the used game market i dont like it but business is business /just hope we the gamers get something out of this change cheaper games would be nice but i doubt it maybe forst party games . the younger generation dont care about always on line or being watched or understand whats going on they just want to play the next best thing

[1OddWorld]

Inc Disagrees for me

When you purchase a game new the creator is selling you a license to his "Intellectual property". You do not have the right to sell his "Intellectual Property". You have the right to sell the disc which is just the "key". GameStop and others have walked a fine line in this area and now technology has given the creator the ability to protect his creation.

Like many have said buying used is robbing the creator of his "Intellectual Property".

While I hate big business in most cases and am completely against always online DRM. I am for protecting ones body of work.

And {Yes} there is a huge difference between a creation of the mind and a used car.

[TimmyShire]

This rumour won't seem to go away. I'm not saying 'wait to Microsoft confirm this' stuff, but there's usually no smoke without fire.

And that worries me... I won't buy and Xbox 720 if true.

[Zichu]

The reason it won't go away is because journalists have nothing else to tall about and jump on the most popular bandwagon. At the moment it's the always online and no used games rumor for the 720.

It's just a rumor though, people are taking it as if the final decision and are jumping ship to Sony. I know the Ps4 sounds amazing and I will definitely get one, but plz be open minded about this everyone.

[Minato-Namikaze]

I'll get a next box if the online is free and they release more games. 1st party games have been very lacking since the kinect revealed. I cant justify buying a system that wont release games on a frequent basis for me.

[grimmweisse]

I hardly doubt they will stop charging for their live service with the 720. It's has proven to be lucrative for them.

[Donnieboi]

My head is spinning. Sick of these rumor articles popping up. Who the heck knows what to believe anymore?

EDIT: Whoa, I just finished reading it (sorry), and yeah this actually seems like a very solid lead!

[EasilyTheBest]

Microsoft wont do it...

[NastyLeftHook0]

i can see it happening so easily with them.

[InMyOpinion]

Either all of them do it or none of them will. It would mean instant failure and none of them are THAT stupid.

[pompombrum]

Logically speaking, it sounds like suicide however the average consumer will probably end up blissfully unaware of it's inability to play second hand games and get caught up in Oprah, smiling families and whatever else Microsoft's marketing department throws at everyone.

Still, if they take this route, in the long run, it's going to provide more negatives than positives especially if the ps3 can play used games.

[Darrius Cole]

I don't know. Maybe the average consumer won't know, but the average consumer who buys from video game specialty stores will know. EVERY video game specialty store will be out in force against this if it is true....

But we don't know that it is true. Frankly, it seems so likely to cause major damage and so unlikely to produce a tangible benefit for Microsoft, that I find it difficult to accept.

Why would Microsoft do this? Why? What would they gain from it? Or, if you will, What do they THINK they will gain from doing this?

It's very difficult to see how this help Microsoft. Therefore it is very difficult to believe.

[pompombrum]

Thinking about it, the only reason I can come up with as to why Microsoft would risk it would be as an aggressive attempt to get third party publishers to make Xbox exclusive games. I don't know the figures and I'm fairly certain that wouldn't be the reason but maybe publishers will come to the conclusion that they'd make more money from making their games xbox exclusive than risk second hand sales on the ps3.

[JokesOnYou]

No No aibreeze, thats not logical because going exclusive for a dev although they would get funding from micro still means they lose a larger amount of profits from the ps fanbase, and as for micro this does not benefit them in anyway because they are still going to be out of pocket paying the devs like always to go exclusive while likely generating lower sales because less people want to buy a game they cant resell or that have more restrictions.= Why go through all that trouble when they can just pay for an exclusive outright? Its not like games like Gears of War dont sell a sh*t ton anyway just from new purchases....killing 2nd hand purchases from micros position would be anti-productive, thats more a problem for devs, because micro needs to make money based on game sales AND an accessible console.

[I_LOVE_MYSELF]

Hate these rumors. Just wait for the official word.
It doesn't bother me if they are true either (as long as it isn't successful). As much as I love the 360 I will simply go to whoever is giving me the better service. I don't mind skipping a console despite liking to own them all. The 720 isn't bulletproof and I will not purchase one if these rumours are true.

[TheEnigma313]

I thought MS said this wasn't true? I may be wrong.

[famoussasjohn]

MS is letting the rumors stay out there instead of making a statement. I hope there's an announcement soon to set the facts straight.

[DeltaCanuckian]

The more they let these rumours fester, or dodge the matter entirely (like they did when their now ex-employee went on that always-on Twitter rant) it makes them look worse. If it wasn't true, they should just come out and say it's not true.

[famoussasjohn]

DeltaCanuckian - True, it is making them look bad, but I'm not going to base my opinion on the matter until Microsoft themselves have shown us what they have to offer and what it will do. Though these rumors make me cringe at the thought of this being an available option. This could damage more than just Microsoft if they were to go this route.

[animegamingnerd]

one rumor says it will play use games the next day it says it won't play use games make up your bloody mind already

[SHORYUKEN]

I already Made up my mind. Just skip the next box.

Just playing safe. Sony already stated they will not blocking used games. But with Micro you'll never know.

[Soldierone]

Then I won't be compatible with the next Xbox. Looks like its PS4 and a new gaming PC for me then.

[ichimaru]

-_- as if you ever planned on getting one. dude your comment history precedes you. Ms' official announcement is in about a month but if rumors are all you need then ce' la vie

[Soldierone]

Did you even bother to read my comment history? The only thing I hate is the DRM crap, if they avoid that I'll gladly buy an Xbox. Like I've said in "my comment history."

[Ron_Danger]

This again?!

Just wait till E3.

[stage88]

Had enough of MS and its not just based on this rumour.

Really hoping for the day MS bow out of the console business and Sega take their place again.

[Software_Lover]

........... LOL.

[Cyfyxtfg]

Still a rumor. doubt it

[maniacmayhem]

But didn't we just get THESE rumors:

http://www.vgleaks.com/micr...
http://darkzero.co.uk/game-...

Who to believe? I guess I'll just have to wait.

[izumo_lee]

I know these are all rumors & should be taken with a grain of salt but it is still unsettling to know that this is how Microsoft thinks.

One quote that i find really hard to swallow is this.

'Microsoft will still make a profit out of Xbox. As for the rest of us, tough titty'.

Really?! You may be the biggest Xbox supporter there is but that sentence right there is wrong in so many ways. Yes they are in it to make money but doing it in this cut throat way is just wrong.

Again all rumors until stated otherwise but still everything is sounding really unsettling.

[ichimaru]

" unsettling to know that this is how Microsoft thinks" Says who, an online game journalist. The official announcement is in a few weeks.

[The Rock Bottom]

You work for MS by any chance? You seem to be defending anything bad that's said about the nextbox every time I read a comment from you... Its kinda creepy. o_O

[ichimaru]

defending and holding my opinion until official evidence release are two different beast. I'm flattered to know you've been tracking my comments but rest assure I don't like Microsoft as a company anymore than I go McDonald's. I just find it unnerving that n4g jumps on the hype train to defame a product based on rumors

[yen888]

If this is true then you can say goodbye to any highstreet business that sells games.

The money that keeps these businesses going is made through the buying and reselling of pre-owned games and they won't be able to survive if they only sell new games.

[Captain Qwark 9]

no because they will still make money off ps4 games and the ps4 install base will increase drastically as word spreads about the 720. if* they went that route, i will bet everything i own that they come out of the gate strong and then every month after that sees a sharp decline in sales as people realize its always online and eventually after maybe a year, 2 max, ms would either change it or pull out of the console race.

[Belking]

Same old N4G....lol

[Klonopin]

Same old lame comment.

[Belking]

Same old lame articles and fanboys.

[Gr81]

I am interested in the Next Box, but I will say if true. They've made a serious mistake.

[Ilovetheps5]

Didn't the CEO of Gamestop say that the "720" was going to be real compelling? I find it difficult to believe that he'd say that because used game sales are a huge part of Gamestop's revenue. I'm just ready to hear all the facts straight from Microsoft.

[insomniacgamer]

M$ is just all about the fail with this new console. If Sony goes the opposite path, they have my money all day and my pc is getting a new card.

This garbage of turning the consoles into multimedia centers is annoying as well. I do not mind having some features but I sure in the hell am not buying a console to watch movies and tv shows on. I am buying it to play games, end of story.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

The only thing that is fail right now is people running around with rumors as facts.

[insomniacgamer]

True to a point, nothing is fact until M$ gives details themselves. That said, when people like Ian Livingston (President of Eidos) speak on the topic it is not as far fetched an idea.

Regardless, I am all for the 720 as long as M$s console does not fall in line with these rumors. If it is true then I simply will not buy their product and I hope others feel the same way because in the end, it is the gamers getting shafted if rumor becomes fact on these issues.

[Crazay]

I'm getting pretty sick of these rumors of products we actually know very little to nothing about being presented as factual. Can we just have a moratorium on rumor/articles discussing always on DRM or not until the actual system details are out?

[OC_MurphysLaw]

My response to this article... we shall see if this pans out but lets be honest... MS has had a great relationship with retail for the 360 so I don't see them going away from that.

May is around the corner and I have no doubts that we will learn a lot more come May and then E3.

[josephayal]

Xbox 720 Day One

[Software_Lover]

And another one.

And the same people, who will not respond in the positive Microsoft articles, are in here praising this Blog.

So sad that it's so obvious.

Its funny that hardly any of the positive articles, blogs, rumors, make it to the top.

[cleverusername]

If true it'll be interesting reading the excuses the MS fanboys make for them!!

[JANF]

and if its false it will be interesting reading the excuses of all the people taking this rumors as if they were true.

[cleverusername]

OUCH!!! You've gone through 3 360's this gen and you POUNCED on me then to defend them!!

[JANF]

i've also been through two ps3s so what, im just saying rumors are rumors.

[TheTwelve]

I don't think MS fanboys know quite what to stand for at the moment, lol

[Kingthrash360]

fu** this! imma wait for reveal to expend anymore energy on the 720. always on will depend if I buy one and ill wait till reveal to make a decision. looking bad tho.

[Jek_Porkins]

Yawn..

[Oh_Yeah]

All I have to say, if true... which it's not, games best be 30$ for new releases.

[jmac53]

Maybe before people go crazy about this, they should realize that Xing interactive has not even developed for Xbox.
http://www.ign.com/companie...

[Software_Lover]

Hahahah

Nice job S. Holmes. +1

[LukeTVNow]

Or ANY console for that matter...

[FunkMacNasty]

This just in: "Microsoft announces they no longer care about consumers and want to sell products to robots and mythical creatures!"

In all seriousness, I don't think as a major company, that MS is dumb enough to alienate their entire core install base. Especially with such a strong competetor as Sony as their rival.

Either way, any system that blocks used games I will not buy. Simple as that

[ghostgaming]

Agreed, any system that blocks used games I will not buy as well. To me, this would be the biggest mistake that any console could make, it will completely alienate a good portion of gamers

[FunkMacNasty]

Totally.. and not just used games, but the allegation that each disc would be registered to one console.. so not only am I not allowed to buy cheap used games, but I cant rent or borrow from a friend either!? no way

[Captain Tuttle]

This gets approved but stories denying the rumor get Failed by mods?
http://n4g.com/news/1229214...
smh N4G

[BitbyDeath]

Probably cause the negative rumours have legit sources
1. SuperDaE (Hacker) - MS had him arrested
2. Adam Orth (MS Employee) - MS fired
3. Mr Lake (Dev from Workshop Entertainment)
4. David Connolly (managing director Xing Interactive)

Where as the ones denying the rumours are always listed as "Anonymous" or just not listed at all. (Like the one in your link)

[stiggs]

Lets examine YOUR "legit" sources.

1. SuperDaE - A hacker who has been accused of pirating software, breaking NDA and selling a Dev kit on eBay. A liar and a thief..so he's real reliable.
2. Adam Orth - A former MS employee who posted vague comments on his personal Twitter account regarding internet accessibility. Did he ever mention used games? No, he didn't.
3. Who?
4. David Connolly - Xing Entertainment: a company that has never released a console game in their history...nor do they plan to.

There is no need to "prove you wrong" as you're not right to begin with.

[BitbyDeath]

Whether you find them "legit" or an "upstanding citizen" is neither here nor there.

The differences are the negative rumours have named people attached as starting the rumour as opposed to the denying rumours whom have nobody which means it could come from anyone even some random poster on N4G.

[stiggs]

So, in order to establish themselves as a credible source individuals only need to provide their name?

Ok...

[BitbyDeath]

Yes, a name would help to find out if they are just some random guy on the net or someone who is actually in the biz.

[BitbyDeath]

@Disagrees, put up a source and prove me wrong if you can. Further disagrees i'll take as you admitting to not being able to find a legit source.

[esemce]

FFS not this sh1t again, can't we just wait until E3?

I don't this Sony/MS or Nintendo are foolish enough to do this.

[TesMgsFan]

So maby this is the plan ?? MS wants to suck this gen and make Sony the winner.

[Loki86]

This is all speculation till MS announces something first hand. So don't buy into this kind of stuff until we hear something definite, same with the positive rumors, although they sound more plausible.

[indysurfn]

@asmith2306
"If Microsoft block used games they have officially gone full retard" ROFLMAO!!! That made my day. When I play wallyball tonight I will use that phrase on the next FULL RETARD that dares try's to beat my team.

At the casual market comments he brngs up a good point Microsoft is smart and is going after casual. However they where also very smart when they went after Java, and when they went after android, and Ipod with the zune. So just because they are smart does not mean they don't fail especially when they are out of touch! Look at all the always-on articles and the comments they have for the last 2 months, then look at the rumors for the last two YEARS on the subject. It just keeps popping it's head up. Who is to say Sony does not have the ability to be a box also? Plus people are not used to spending big 300-500 bucks on a cable box that is usually part of the service, not a big upfront cost. Why would none gamers buy that? Samsung has a TON of smart apps in the newest TV's now I'm good!

The only real set back for Sony would be if Microsoft does have EXCLUSIVE mega deals with the ISP's, Dish networks, Comcasts, time warner, cox and other communications companies. But then again, maybe Sony will counter that with installing PS4 in hdtv's it makes!

[Cueil]

again fanboys show their true colors... where is the "Wait for an official announcement" that people were touting when good news came out... I understand most of you take your hypocritical oath seriously, but jebus

[xxchicago33xx]

...boring...

[Dark5tar1]

So we heard this rumor already, why do we care? Unless its official, I'm still calling bs on this.

[Hercules189]

look at the people disagreeing with you lol, whats to disagree with, youre either saying that this website has definite proof or youre REALLY wanting msoft to fail

[Dark5tar1]

I'm saying that everyone has heard this rumor several times. The next Xbox and the PS4 were rumored to both block used games. I'm doubting that MS would do that because that would take away a chunk of their audience that's already been swayed by their shift towards casuals.

[Trekster_Gamer]

Sick of rumors. Why are they considered news?

How about we stop whining (article authors) and just wait until MS officially releases the specs and info??

[Grimhammer00]

All around the world while you sleep...a greater evil is carried out against the gaming masses.

This whole no used games - always online is really just defecting xbots from their reality.

They've been paying to play for years!

Lol

[kingslayer1000]

FAIL

[xabmol]

Yeah...

*360 mag crushes PS3*

Welcome aboard!

*Pic on mag is AssCreed*

^That's an add from this website. Funny shit right there. 'Least I got a chuckle. xD

[TemplarDante]

I wont support ANY company that endorses an Anti-Consumer stance.
And you shouldnt either!

[Cueil]

I'm guess you don't use steam then right?

[Amigaengine]

"Honestly, Microsoft, hurry up and tell us either way. We're getting a little sick of this now."

Here is a fantastic idea for all these websites. Stop with the gossip and rumor's, leave that to the real pro's like Michael Pachter :P

These websites would receive zero hits if it was not for the "always on" or "doomed" threads that N4G loves to promote.

[BabyTownFrolics]

Hey look its another negative Xbox rumor being taken as fact on the front page.

Now try posting an article rebutting this and watch it fail, and then watch your account get suspended because when you ask too many questions about the double standard you are marked as spam.

[GraveLord]

Here's hoping the PS4 is the lead platform for the 8th generation. We can't have a company so out of touch with consumers running things. Speak with your wallets people! Don't buy the next Xbox.

[KillrateOmega]

Option 1) [Insert comment about not liking rumors and wanting facts]

Option 2) [MS iz zeh biggest RETARDZ! XD PS4 ftw!!]

Option 3) [MS wouldn't do this. Insert attempt by user to defend this notion by bringing up sales numbers and percentages; i.e., trying to sound like a business professional]

[hazelamy]

if true, then it's a no buy from me, simple as that.

but i don't think ms are dumb enough to do something like that.
they're greedy enough, sure, but i'd hope they would have the sense to see how unpopular something like this would be.

[Ozmoses]

It's too hard to speculate. They'll announce soon enough..

But, either way. Definitely getting a PS4.. Sony is looking good!

[Ninjamonkey82]

Still interested in seeing what they show at E3 tbh.

[oof46]

I wonder if my health care plan will cover the dentures I'll need to replace my teeth due to all the gnashing.

[CaptainFaisal]

I still cant imagine that even after all these rumors of the next xbox, their still are people supporting xboxnext and hating on PS4! WHY? PS4 is made for gamers and its open and more user freindly ( Free PSN) unlikr the next xbox, which is a cable box or entertainment device which has gaming built in... So you like always online? cant play second hand games? Get out of the box that microsoft put you jn! Face it Sony has won! The next gen war! Although i still want competition between these two rivals as competition lead to better games and exclusives

[RuleofOne343]

Cool (RWB babe)

[contradictory]

if they wouldn't support used games
the main problem for me would be actually getting the games after they are sold out

i don't buy every game at launch

(lol i bought most of the AC series last year -_-')

so say you can't buy used games anymore...
you're fucked. your only hope is to resort into downloading the titles IF they are even on the service

if nextbox is indeed locked to accounts then EVERY game should be accessible from XBL

(this is not actually bad thing. i'd want more games getting digital)

and actually get pricedrop when it makes sense

( i'm not going to pay 69€ for BF3 digital when the physical copy is 40€)

but the question is can i trust that MS does not get too greedy and just decides not to drop the prices?

this and the rumors about always online makes me very worried because if this is going to be reality then nextbox is gonna blow
that's not a good thing because the industry needs competition and i'm not sure where does the Wii U even compete yet

[deno]

Boy is it going to be a rough generation for xbox. If all this pans out to be true, I will not buy an xbox that the limits my gaming, and I will also go all sony and nintendo.

[Minute Man 721]

If they do it will be the end of Xbox

[uuaschbaer]

"Compatible with second-hand." Well, that's one way to put it.

[jaixvx]

I can't wait until then new xbox is hacked. Then i will get one.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

No.

[Urusernamesucks]

"Hopefuly"

you guys are unbelievably dellusional, Lmao

[e-p-ayeaH]

Oh this E3 will be fun to watch if this is true.

[Jaqen_Hghar]

the memes...It'll be 599 us dollars times 1000!
(so 599,000 us dollars I guess if a user took that sentence literally)

[Urusernamesucks]

You guys realy cant wait for june, cant ya?

[Jagsrock]

LMAO at the rumor bar saying "hopefully". Oh N4g you slay me.

[Gondee]

Speculation....

[AO1JMM]

Just another rumor. I'll wait for MS to officially announce such things.

[level 360]

Since the release of the XBox360 I just think.. actually believe that Microsoft has suddenly become too monopolizing in their ways. Albeit getting too greedy for sure, you can simply tell by how they deal in their own marketplace against Sony's PS Store.

It's really noticable that Microsoft charges their customer more than Sony's.

[JimmyDanger]

Wow, the guy from "Xing Interactive" has heard from "sources close to Microsoft".

Xing - who package minigames, and who I'd never heard of before. Once again, I'd defend the rights of Indies to self promote through whatever means, but this is a bit ridiculous .

Would I believe this guy over the Worldwide Head of Gamestop/EB?

Naaah.

[4lc4pon3]

i cant wait to watch E3. So I can Point and laugh at all you Xboxers

[AO1JMM]

-1

[kamakaz3md]

i read the first few sentences of this article and stopped. If you have any common sense at all, and know you tech. the xbox (720) is not going to be an always online product. Any idiot would know that. Ive been an analyst for several years. Agree or disagree idc, M$ would be letting down thousands of people who dont even have internet or a stable connection.

[4lc4pon3]

here is my analysis "If you have any common sense at all, and know you tech."

WHAT?

[gamer7804]

These stories are great, it lets companies know how consumers will react to certain strategies, even if MS at one point was thinking of blocking used or rented games, i'm positive, and "sources close to" me tell me that they are no longer looking to block second-hand games.

[oOMICHAELOo]

lol are people not tired of going through the revolving doors that are rumors? one minute the system is backwards compatible the next minute it's not. One minute it's always online the next minute it's not. One minute it's always online the next it's not... PEOPLE WAKE THE FUCK UP & SHUT THE FUCK UP! THEY ARE JUST RUMORS! Most of you are Sony cock suckers & wouldn't buy it either way.

[IanVanCheese]

Also who the fudge are Xing Interactive and why on earth would they, a tiny pc developer whose hits have included Xing Chess, know what the hell MS is planning to do.

This just in, cashier at Tesco says Nintendo's next console will be made of asparagus.

[AlphaJunk]

Soooo I can't play with my second - How am I supposed aim and fire!!??

[Evil_Ryu]

Who are these guys never heard of em... Xinga Games? Oh wait these are the same guys who never made a console game ever.

[Plagasx]

PS4 it is then.

[Dms2012]

Why in the hell are the rumor votes leaning towards "hopefully"?

[baodeus]

This is something that I don't get if we can agree on a couple of things:

1. It is true that everyone is just looking out for their own interest/gain?

2. What is the reason why developers/publisher implement DRM or online passes?

3. Is the used game market profitable for any developers?

So based on those 3 reasons, why would any developer (in their right mind) speak out against eliminating the used game market when it isn't profitable and also harm their business?

[SDF Repellent]

Xing interactive...lol, I am going to form a small company tomorrow and proclaim that the Nextbox won't have this and that features...surely, N4g fanboys will fall for it no matter what because it is a negative MS news regardless of the source. It is the same old, same old. smh

[urwifeminder]

I will be onboard as long as its not a sony ill play anything.

[Max-Zorin]

I didn't think this site would become extremely obsessed with the same rumor.

[DOOMZ]

Its an OPINION people...

[palaeomerus]

Nowgamer is trash.

[ShiranaiJittai]

Ok so I have lurked this site since it pretty much started but rarely ever post. Seems to be some problem with it saving my login information or something. That is neither here nor there though.

I can tell you with certainty that Xing Interactive is not privy to this type of information. I work in the industry in various facets, and have contacts within the major developers. The difference is I don't state something as a fact without doing the proper research. This article is a joke. Has anyone here even heard of Xing Interactive? The writer of this article obviously did not research the company before determining whether this was credible or not. True they list it as a rumor but they seem pretty convinced that it is factual.

Here is the Xing Interactive Site. http://www.xinginteractive....

Here are the games they have made

The Mystery of the Flying Dutchman
Sushi Bar Express
Pizza Deliciozo
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So do any of you truly believe that a company with so little say or knowledge as to what Microsoft/Nintendo/Sony plans are would ever have this information in any way shape or form? Not to knock the company it just seems like they make PC Casual games for the most part. Doesn't look like any of their games have released on anything excluding PC.

So before writing an article? Do your research on your "source"

[chris0409]

So we're believing Xing now are we? -_-

[DJO479]

I don't buy it. These rumors are getting out of hand.

[TheSaint]

This is the problem I have, we need to wait and see which rumours are true.

IF these rumours are true then it's a definite no sale for me.

[OSIRUSSS]

I guess the new rumor is I will be pre ordering the PS4! That meter is way past hopefully.

[CourierSix]

Well if half the rumours about the next Xbox are true i'm defintly going the way of PS4...

[madjedi]

Why would a casual/mainstream gamers buy a ps4 or 720 via subscription model. I don't see the appeal when a ps3 or 360 is cheaper and offers many useful features and has a large library of games.

I think the only people that even care about the next gens, atm are people ready to upgrade immediately or at most 2 yrs after release. Excluding people in the industry.

I don't see anyone but the hardcore(1st or 2nd yr adopters of this gen) gamers biting on the ps4/720 in the first 1 yr or 2, after they hit 300-350 many of the average gamers(3rd yr) will hop over.

System generations have always had staggered tiers of adopters, i don't see them making more units than they need to cover both hardcore adopters and subscription users.

If all these rumors are bullshit, then why hasn't ms issued a press release, stating explicitly why they are false.

The rumors are just bad rumors, add leaked documents, the adam ortho fiasco and ms not denying it, all it does is give the impression that the rumors aren't without some substance.

[iNFAMOUZ1]

this was debunked as fake a week ago, WHY do people chose to believe these lies from sony fanboy journalists? week after week another negative xbox articles YET again from a sony fanboy journalist comes out and people are like omG XBOX IS TEH DOOMED!!!! yet when a respectable source from microsoft themselves tells unbiased journalists the truth and reports it back to us its debunked, stop believing these lies, god you peole are so thick headed, i swear i could tell you theirs gold under a bridge and yall would jump it!!

wake up! microsoft runs a buisness, they didn't come in first place this gen to just ruin it next gen, hellooooooo, I think they've known a long time ago this would be a bad idea. They would never do this. Just wait for the reveal, obviously microsoft is tweaking some stuff, give them time, have patience, your all in for a huge surprise, just wait, they know what their doing, I rather them take their time to perfect and go beyond than to rush it and reveal it early, no reason to reveal so soon, let them take their time.

[Strongmad]

I wish you would get over the used games issue, CD keys and no used has been the case with PC's for eternity and its not a big deal. Everyone is so cheap, give you money to developers not gameshops, buying new games stop being butthurt whiners. Profitable games means more and better games in the future not studio shut down after shutdown.

Get a fraking job and support the industry.

The irony is you want cheaper gaming get a PC. Console choice should be about games I will probably go xbox again but have not ruled PS4 out yet.

[insomniacgamer]

People that argue along your lines make me laugh because you are arguing that consumers should have less options and pay more...and more...and more. I look at Infinity Ward, Blizzard, EA, and I sure in hell do not see them suffering. More like not using lube with cut content to generate dlc, fail servers, and atrocious customer service.

Also, last I checked the baseline is $60 USD for a title that can easily top $100 with micro-transactions and day 1 dlc. Not sure how that is cheap but must be nice to be a big roller...

[Strongmad]

Consumers have choice, noone forces you to buy everything or anything. DLC is optional and I agree there are certain publishers that take the piss with some of the day 1 DLC and blatant cash-ins, that kind of thing angers me too but that isnt really what im arguing here.

When you buy a game most of the money will go to the publisher, some to the retailer and some to the developer. When you buy a game used none of that cash is seen by the developer. Buy saving a few quid you are shortchanging the developer and risking future game development.

I spend a portion of my income on gaming, PCs, consoles games, kickstarter.. etc. I've been a gamer for a long time and I am trying to enourage people to think past I have to pay more this sucks and support the developers instead. No used games is a part of this.

Give you money to worth games and projects not just wanting everyhthing for as little as possible.

Be a gamer not a consumer.

[Master of Unlocking]

Next Xbox Will Not Be Compatible With Second Hand'
NowGamer: Managing director of publisher Xing Interactive adds for the next Xbox 'you’ll have to go through Microsoft to do anything'
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XFlop confirmed. :)

[mmj]

Looking around at the world we really are at a turning point in history, there are those who want to take control and limit the rights of people and those who believe in the opposite, I know which side I support so Microsoft can **** off.

[isyourhouseonfire]

This is excellent news. The more we can force gamers to buy new then the more the industry will grow. As gamers, this is what we need. A+ MS!

[Tzuno]

Fight back people after all we hold the money. As much as i love the video-games as a avid gamer i can say i would not spend a cent on something like that.

[JimmyDanger]

4 weeks until May 21st, four more weeks of these bullcrack articles.

[Kidmyst]

E3 needs to be here soon to clarify all these rumours. But I really wonder what percentage of gamers who will by the PS4 and 720 are really informed and did research, VS those who get informed by word of mouth of friends, talking to employees at game stores, and not really getting the facts themselves.

[True_Samurai]

Been an only Xbox gamer since 2000 ready to add the this generation to the family :-)