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Microsoft's Next-Gen Challenge: Exclusivity and the Core Gamer

OnlySP: As the sun sets on the current generation of consoles, gamers have taken up residence on the edge of their seats, awaiting every tidbit of information and whisper of a rumor. Sony’s recent announcement of the PlayStation 4 might as well have dumped a few gallons of gasoline on the growing inferno of anticipation. Detailed specs for both Sony and Microsoft’s next consoles have been analyzed and compared ad nauseam. In spite of all the attention paid to this proverbial tech-phallus wagging, the horsepower fueling the next generation of consoles will have very little impact over which industry powerhouse will see the most success. The reality is that games are the primary motivating factor behind hardware sales and each company’s next-gen strategy, as it relates to software, will be vital.

fluffydelusions4078d ago

Exclusives and core would be nice but if it was like the latter half of this gen it will be moneyhatting and casuals =\

classic2004078d ago

That is what I am worrying about, I almost cant trust them. I feel like they might pull another 360 on gamers. Launch with core games and then slowly focus on kinect using the forteleza glasses technology for casuals half way through next gen.

If microsoft can balance everything core and casual properly then I might be able to see myself get an xbox 720 but right now I dont trust them and it might take the entire next generation for me to actual trust them again if they produce core games yearly like sony.

stage884078d ago

Exactly how I feel.
I just can't trust Microsoft. I'm willing to bet their launch line up is good but I don't want to spend my hard earn money on their console only to find two years down the line they've switched back to casual gaming like they've done with the 360.

I will get a PS4 though because Sony have 3 generations of hardcore gaming which I can rely upon.

EVILDEAD3604078d ago

Exclusives was never a real issue in for Micrsoft then and it isnt now.

MS only has to satisfy its core fanbase that supports it's games by the millions and that is all that matters.

They already have one of the strongest line-ups of core franchises and system sellers in the industry.

What matters for next gen exclusive wise will be:

- A strong core of exclusive existing IPS

- A core line-up of New IP. They publicly have pusheed that there are 4 new AAA exclusives in the pipe and we shall see which ones they are at E3.

- A line-up for casual to support Kinect. They already have 2-3 IPs that are strong on the Kinect side that will have a chance to succeed next gen.

The key improvement is they are launching with a Blu-Ray so that evens the odds in that regard.

What could make or break the MS in terms of the install advantage they have in their key regions is the backward compatability.

If they have it at launch, the 720 wil fly off the shelves.

Evil

adorie4078d ago

TBH, I really hope Microsoft wises up and focuses on the core. Maybe the casual audience they're focusing on right now is just because they feel thats what will make them the most money, going into next-gen.

They could repeat the cycle and go fierce as next-gen kicks off.

Tito084077d ago

Honestly, I think Microsoft might get their focus back on the hardcore gamer, targeting them as their first console adopters, & when they get a good enough instal base, then they go after the casuals, sounds like a dirty & smart strategy to me, cause they likely got the memo that the hardcore are complaining a lot about the lack of new hardcore IPs, & at the same time they still want those soccer moms to spend $$$ for their products!

Gildarts4078d ago (Edited 4078d ago )

Man just look at the number of untitled projects and you will be rest assured that Microsoft won't disappoint us
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

They will keep the Xbox 360 for casuals and Xbox 720 for core.

NYC_Gamer4078d ago (Edited 4078d ago )

MS will offer core exclusives since they have to please the first crowd of supporters dropping $400-500 on the machine..

saladthieves4078d ago (Edited 4078d ago )

Couldn't agree more. They'll do this for the sake of momentum. They know core gamers will always buy the console at any price at launch, before the mainstream casuals jump on the train too.

joab7774078d ago

I dont agree. I used to but i have a new perspective. I think that MS saw what the wii did and what phones and tablets are doing and decided that the money simply isnt in AAA titles. Who am i to argue. MS probably feels that through windows 8 and the kinect they can tap into the tablets market while determining the way we use pcs in the future...and casual gaming will bankroll this. They are gonna take on the wiiU head to head with better tech and a cheaper price point. The icing on the cake will be all those that love the xbox brand. They will roll out 1st and 3rd larty titles and pay fkr exclusivity to keep hardcore gamers at bay, but their objective isnt going to be becoming the biggest most bad ass gaming machine that competes with pc for hardcore gamers. They will want to get alot of these consoles in ppls houses early on so the price is going to be astonishing, i believe. i know i am just bloviating lol, but its fun.

MikeMyers4078d ago (Edited 4078d ago )

We've seen Microsoft surround themselves with proven franchises like Call of Duty and Gears of War while slowly distancing themselves from less successful games like Lost Odyssey and Kameo. This is what worries me, they seem to be taking very few risks with ip's they market and support.

The Xbox 360 came out pretty strong with hardcore titles that were exclusive like Condemned and Crackdown. We seen that deteriorate over the years. Perhaps they also see Sony struggle with that and have many exclusives that are not big sellers. At least they take some risks. The other problem with exclusives is you don't have as many potential customers to sell to because they usually only sell to a single platform. That's why timed exclusives and DLC became so common instead.

So the question is, do they compete with someone like Sony based on exclusives or do they try and offer a different direction? Nintendo likes to beat to their own drum and I think the market might be better off having 3 different systems that offer 3 different experiences. Sony kind of takes the interest of the Wii U with the Vita combo but Nintendo still has the advantage of asymmetrical gameplay out of the box with every system. The PS4 also seems to advance itself into Kinect territory so they seem to be covering everything. But Kinect had more success (in sales) because Sony wasn't using Move as their main focus like Microsoft did for a couple of years.

Microsoft will need some convincing on their part for me to continue to support them. What I have seen of the early showing of the PS4 is very promising to me, let's see if Microsoft can do the same.

Microsoft can no longer expect Live members to simply stay because their friends are there. Nor can they rely of 3rd party publishers now that Sony is working much closer to them and made a system they want. That means exclusives and some different form of a gaming experience will come much more into play than every before. Aligning themselves with apps and social gaming isn't going to do it imo.

Tapani4078d ago (Edited 4078d ago )

M$ doesn't feel, it's a corporation. They look at statistics obtained through market research and act according to the numbers.

My guess is, that all companies are going after different markets. Sony tries to expand hard core market and grab it by the balls, while Microsoft goes for casual + TV box + services (basically Wii, but with kinect and loads of desperate drum banging and fanfares in their family ads). Nintendo is most likely going to fall, unless something miraculous happens.

Now, what makes this whole scenario interesting: China. Japanese technology sells well in China; Chinese people blindly hate everything Japanese, with the exception of Japanese tech (and porn,anime,manga and drama), so PS4 has a good chance to expand the market there and do something phenomenal. Plus, gamers are young in China (around 20-35 years old), usually Uni students so they have money (only elites go to Uni in there) and they are informed enough to avoid blind rage and propaganda. They just want to play games.

I honestly believe that the core market will be 1.5-2x bigger than last time around (expecting total of 400-500 million sales for all three + handhelds). Only if China is part of the equation, however. Latin America and some other Asian (including middle-east) countries with emerging economies might increase the overall business as well. (although mobile devices are what they prefer now, they act as a gate towards core experiences)

I'm no analyst, but I am a biz man. And this is just how I see it from a business point of view.

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4078d ago (Edited 4078d ago )

I think it needs kinect to work according to the guy whos door they busted down.. Also he might get 20 years to life for leaking 720 documents. Which is bull.

"Allegedly, SuperDaE could be looking at 20+ years in prison with a possible consecutive life sentence if convicted."
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

I wondered if they considered death penalty for this also.

Knight_Crawler4078d ago (Edited 4078d ago )

Actually he could go to jail for a very long time.

"Considering its civil laws in this area weak, in 1996 the US Congress enacted the Economic Espionage Act, which criminalised industrial espionage. The Act provides for action to be pursued outside the US if necessary and increased penalties from ten to 15 years maximum imprisonment."

http://www.aic.gov.au/media...

Corporate espionage is no laughing matter and MS is a USA company so America will not allow for other countries to steal MS or Apple secrets - plus the FBI is also trying to charge him for other hacking matters and for trying to sell the the Durango kit on Ebay - that alone is 3 years in prison.

Technology is key and the country that posses the most modern tech will always be on top...look at Korea trying to build a long distance missile rocket but have failed - the USA has rockets that can reach from here to the moon but we no nothing about it.

Edit: In Iran or other Arab countries what SuperDAE did would be considered treason and is punishable by death but not in AMERICA.

JohnnyBadfinger4078d ago (Edited 4078d ago )

Well considering it happened here in Australia. He will get a smack on the wrist maybe a damages fine... and probably a job out of it. He wont get jail time and wont be extradited to America... our government wont allow it and he will be defended ferociously by them. And because these crimes all happened on Aussie shores Microsoft America cant do shit... other than sue... but thats where Microsofts Australian division will take over.

AngelicIceDiamond4078d ago

@NYC spot on, MS will have to please the crowd of supporters first. And not only that, but MS obviously has a line up of core games anyway.

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greenpowerz4078d ago

Core gaming has never been an issue there has been enough exclusives. Sure not tons of shovelware to fluff up lists.

PirateThom4078d ago (Edited 4078d ago )

I sold my 360 due to lack of exclusives so, no, there wasn't remotely enough.

Two or three exclusives games that are even remotely interesting does not make for a good exclusive line up, especially when it's Halo, Gears of War, Fable and Forza and nothing else..

The shovelware has become 360's biggest problem since Kinect released.

greenpowerz4078d ago (Edited 4078d ago )

Sold my PS3 after I beat Killzone when it came out. sat there for a few days and got rid of it. Games are not fun and over hyped.

Don't like Japanese games much unless they're westernized a bit(or grounded) Controller not designed for hardcore gamers(adult hands size and play time duration) The PS brand screams follow the leader.

PS4 reveal was a response to MSFT 's plans I would take Sony's plans with a grain of Salt you guys need to take it down a notch. PS4 doesn't exist No hardware, with games running on PS4 spec PC due to Sony changing the specs.

I couldn't find the article I was talking about in the 720 March Meeting article when I got attacked but I do have something better with trusted(sometimes)media http://n4g.com/news/1179674...

"Durango is a memory monster, shipping with 8GB of RAM up against 'just' 4GB in its Sony competitor. It's an ambitious strategy, made necessary owing to Microsoft's hopes for the new Xbox to be more than just a games machine"

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

http://www.vgleaks.com/worl...

This is starting to smell like "PS3 is 10x more powerful than a super computer" "PS3 1080p@120fps"
"PS3 will launch in winter, no spring, no summer, oh wait fall!"

MSFT has a lot of studios mostly new now working on 720 games. The goal of this generation wasn't to compete with 3rd party devs but to help them thrive building them up enough to stablize their future and to win them over as the platform/brand to go to. MSFT can now do what they're doing because of this. MSFT had announced this strategy before the 360 even launched they modeled it after the PS2 effect.

Virtual_Reality4078d ago

Fable 3 is not even exclusive, is multiplatform (available on PC).

Root4078d ago (Edited 4078d ago )

@greenpowerz

Good grief

"PS4 reveal was a response to MSFT 's plans I would take Sony's plans with a grain of Salt"

Like how you guys still think MS give a crap about us core gamers, despite them focusing on Kinect for like 2-3 years now. You keep telling yourselfs "They care about us...just you see" and nothing happens, we get a Halo game or a Gears game every so often. Alan Wake 2 will be on the Nextbox but then what...Halo, Gears, Forza and Fable again. Least with Sony you see new and old games and I'll tell you what you won't see another inFAMOUS or Killzone for a while after their next ones come out, they are obviously using old franchises to test the PS4 out and to gain an install base on the PS4, then you'll see new IPs from their studios.

"you guys need to take it down a notch."

and people like you need to wake the f*** up and not be blinded by Microsofts false hope

I'm not a fanboy but it's pretty obviously that recently Sony are the only ones still aiming towards core experiences and staying true to what gaming is all about. You don't need to be a fanboy to work that one out, just a gamer who wants some good core experiences.

"Sold my PS3 after I beat Killzone when it came out. sat there for a few days and got rid of it. Games are not fun and over hyped."

So what about Uncharted, God of War, Journy, Flower, Resistance, inFAMOUS, Heavy Rain, GT5, Playstation All Stars, Dead Nation, Ni No Kuni etc

"Durango is a memory monster, shipping with 8GB of RAM up against 'just' 4GB in its Sony competitor"

You do realise Sony has 8GB of Ram as well

"MSFT has a lot of studios mostly new now working on 720 games."

and how many of them will be Kinect games or games which will force you to add Kinect to have a "better experience".

Even if the launch games aren't all Kinect what about after. They'll just have games to have an install base for the Nextbox and then they will resort back to aiming towards the casuals to buy their new system and put a massive focus on it being a entrainment box.

Seriously come on man, wake up and smell the roses.

I'll buy the nextbox...I'mm a gamer and will want to play on Alan Wake 2 and such but I'm not blind that MS just don't give a crap anymore. With the amount of studios they have and we've had the same games...hell they cancelled Conker 2, Kameo 2 and the Perfect Dark sequel for Kinect....that ticks me off enough

MikeMyers4078d ago

"and how many of them will be Kinect games or games which will force you to add Kinect to have a "better experience". "

Nobody on here actually knows, that's the whole point. But I'm sure that's not going to stop you from fear-mongering until then.

BlueTemplar4078d ago

@greenpowerz are you on drugs?

"Durango is a memory monster, shipping with 8GB of RAM up against 'just' 4GB in its Sony competitor. It's an ambitious strategy, made necessary owing to Microsoft's hopes for the new Xbox to be more than just a games machine"

WRONG! Durango has 8gb of slower ddr3 ram and the ps4 has 8gb of much faster gddr5 ram. This is not a rumour - this is something thats been officially announced.

Dont know why im arguing with you really, you are clearly a deluded mentalist.

ALLWRONG4078d ago (Edited 4078d ago )

You sold your 360 because of "lack of exclusives" when the 360 has more exclusives than the PS3.

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Cupid_Viper_34078d ago

@ greenpowerz

"PS4 reveal was a response to MSFT 's plans I would take Sony's plans with a grain of Salt you guys need to take it down a notch. PS4 doesn't exist No hardware, with games running on PS4 spec PC due to Sony changing the specs."

The normal fasting period before a colonoscopy is normally 24 hours. I bet your doctor would recommend you fast for a whole week because you're so full of sh!t son.

In descending order, there are fanatics, then their fanboys, then there are crazies, then there's you.

bicfitness4078d ago

"Evangelists".

I think that's the term you're looking for. Blind and fervent faith in something intangible (like the love of a corporation for its customers).

More to the point, MS won't change their hardware; its too late in the game. What was leaked is what we'll get, just like with Orbis. They could add another 4GB of DDR3, but what's the point? The mobo was designed for DDR3 (see the EDRAM) and having more low-bandwidth RAM won't count for much.

grayfoxx8814078d ago

You just can't resist trolling. PirateThom brought up an extremely valid point, one that many core gamers and websites have been echoing for the last few years now, and you seem to think it's nonexistent. You are pathetic.

What's even worse, he makes no mention of Sony or Playstation, but you feel the need to insult people that enjoy that console. Can't you just post something without including propaganda and nonsense?

I think everyone gets it by now. You like MS and Xbox. So do many others on this site, myself included. The thing is, are you so insecure about what other people may like that you constantly have to spew desperate comments? How old are you?

DigitalRaptor4078d ago (Edited 4078d ago )

Sony will bring the awesome with PS4 and for the first time in a generation, they have the support of an outrageous number of publishers, their tech is very very developer friendly (and very very powerful). The "inferior ports" argument will no longer be relevant (or perhaps reversed. The OS complaints will no longer be relevant. The "waiting to play your games" argument will no longer be relevant. They have the Gaikai team on board to develop one of the fastest and most relevant online gaming networks, they have the highest-value subscription service in gaming with Plus, and they will have free online to compliment their premium network expansion.

He's scared that Xbox brand won't maintain the same level of popularity over PlayStation as it has this gen. Sony have admitted past mistakes and put into action a solution that is good for developers and gamers. Their conference proved that, and he's worried that what they showed on the 20th will actually comes to fruition, so denial is the best option. It's THAT simple.

TheSauce4078d ago

Games I think MS will show at the show:

First Party-

Black Tusk's new game
Lionhead's MMO
PGR 5
And 2 other new IPs from various studios

Third Party-

Next COD
Epic Game's Fortnite
Bethesda's Fallout 4
CD Projekt's Witcher 3
And some exclusive content deal

Y_51504078d ago

And of course to show the inevitable new Halo game coming for the system during their E3 show.

Grap4078d ago

they will show at least six exclusive IP. Ryse one of them

Kalowest4078d ago

I love your list and I really want that to happen.
MS wants "Black Tusk's new game(actually 4 new franchise)" to compete with halo and beat it.

TheSauce4078d ago

Yes but that was said over a year ago and Epic still hasn't shown any footage of it. The game has gone dark. Usually games that go dark have a tendency to pop back up in some surprising places. Much like Watch Dogs.

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ThatKanadianKid4078d ago

Great article. I love a good competition, and I would love to see Microsoft rival Sony in exclusive content next-gen. My 360 is primarily used for playing games with my friends now, and the funny thing is we still play a lot of the exclusives from the early days of the 360. PGR3, The Outfit etc.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7211h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

purple1011h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos36m ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 8h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 5h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 3h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN20h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo22h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies18h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 7h ago (Edited 1d 7h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 5h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic15h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows9015h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 7h ago (Edited 1d 7h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 7h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 7h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 4h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 6h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 4h ago (Edited 1d 4h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 5h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10112d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref11d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde11d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197211d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville11d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai12d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref11d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan11d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref11d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde11d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197211d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier11d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto11d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman11d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts11d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts10d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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