Submitted by Smurf1 1007d ago | rumor

Internal Microsoft event for Xbox to be held from March 4-7

Microsoft could be showcasing the new Xbox internally according to an event agenda leak. (Industry, Microsoft, Xbox 360, Xbox One)

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Gimmemorebubblez  +   1007d ago
Well I doubt MS will change there specs in that short a time (between the PS meeting and the alleged internal Xbox event) .Should be interesting.... N4g is going to be a crazy place between now and well....its always been a crazy place and always will be.
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PFFT  +   1007d ago
They can and they will just watch. No next gen console is finalized YET at least.
Gimmemorebubblez  +   1007d ago
They can but to change the architecture (considering they are already having problems with the Silicone supply) would cause a complete rethink .(the Durango leaked specs all work in symbiosis really well) If they changed from DDR3 to any other RAM they would probably miss Christmas 2013 and they would have to rethink the whole architecture and increase the costs of the device.
Godchild1020  +   1007d ago
Wouldn't the change of specs hinder game development? That would delay the system because it wouldn't have any launch titles. And I'm sure MSFT wouldn't release their system with no software.
GribbleGrunger  +   1007d ago
Rock and a hard place:

Release at the same time as Sony and stick with what they have

Change their hardware and release 6 months to a year later.
MikeMyers  +   1007d ago
Since when did specs deter success? The PS2 was the most popular system of all time and the original Xbox was more powerful and had a built in hard drive, all for the same price as the PS2.

This isn't like NVidia and AMD trying to outmatch each other.
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shutUpAndTakeMyMoney  +   1007d ago
I hope sony lied about the ps4 and announce 10gb ram at e3. Then MS would be like O_O..

I am sure 720 will be the best media hub though.
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dcbronco  +   1007d ago
People are making a lot of assumptions about what the next Xbox will be capable of. They believe because the specs seem lower that ultimately the power will be. But design plays a huge part in ultimate power.

Microsoft has it's own chip designers. And I actually believe they are further along than AMD on HSA. HSA can make the same parts far more powerful. So The lower Microsoft specs could still lead to a lot more powerful console when it's all said and done.

Plus I think the rumored module design is because they want to use the parts for other things and they want the ability to add more than what they currently have shown. When it is released, the next Xbox will have two APUs, not one. Whether it's a BC APU or a ARM APU, it will still be available to the system to assist the other APU. And the design of the AMD base parts is all about the OS seeing all CPUs and GPUs as one part.

That added to better HSA features will add up to a much better machine. Plus they will have better tools and software. Also look at the last article about SuperDaE. Even he said he liked Durango better. If he really had access, he might know something about how those specs actually work.
nukeitall  +   1007d ago
Like anything, it is the overall package of the architecture design. Remember how PS3 was supposed to be this monster and it cost almost 50% more at launch which didn't really translate to the performance.

Turns out, having EDRAM and shared memory which many claimed was a cheap design reserved for integrated graphics was a much better design. That is one of the reasons why many multiplatform games even when lead on the PS3 has better performance on the Xbox 360. Just see Metal Gear Rising as an example.

It's not the individual specs, but about the type of load the architecture is designed for. It is that bet, and we won't know for at least another year or two.

Furthermore, the PS Vita is far more powerful than the 3DS, yet the Nintendo 3DS has much more 3rd party support as well as a growing adoption rate, while the PS Vita seems to be diminishing.

It turns out, the specs are no longer what drives the industry, but rather the overall offering. Otherwise, the PC would have taken over the industry a long time ago.
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HammadTheBeast  +   1007d ago
Unless they want to delay the console a few months (probably 5-6 depending on speed of the manufacturer) they will not change the hardware or the motherboard.
dcbronco  +   1007d ago | Well said
I also believe Microsoft has been so quiet because they know they have a better machine. I believe Sony knows too. That's why they have tried to bait Microsoft into talking. Whether it was the press conference or saying the specs are final. They know the 720 is more than the specs would have you believe.

Both work with AMD. But Microsoft does a ton of their own work. I bet some of those AMD guys talk a little and kinda hint that there are things that we know but can't talk about. Or things MS has done that they have given us rights to do. Sony messed up on the Cell and told IBM that what they found could be used for all future products. MS isn't going to give AMD anything to be used on the PS4. It may show up on later AMD chips, but not the PS4 chip. Maybe the PS5, but that will be when they have something even better.

Plus, I believe Microsoft has plans of shrinking and using this same chip in Surface and eventually phones. Also TVs and just about anything else you can think of. Look at the 2010 presentation leak.


The document has been removed from most sites because MS sent the lawyers in. But it's still out there. Almost everything the PS4 has was also listed in that document. Cloud services, remote play on other devices, recording gameplay, Smartglass, TV APPs. More and more is coming true with new announcements. We just haven't heard about that second APU. Though the leak has 3 CPUs. Which is still possible if you consider the cost of ARM APU($14 in the iPad 2). And the CPU in the 360 is about to be shrunk to 22nm by IBM. SO they will be very cheap.

Since the OS should see all of those parts as one part and they are all modular, the dev kit can be changed once the parts are finalized with no consequences to any program previous developed. It's like getting more money after making your plans. It doesn't mean you can no longer do what you wanted to do. You now just have extra. So for second generation games, you know what you're really working with. Plus, I think the next Xbox will include that technology that makes last generation games look better. That upgrade to the DVD was about that more than security(just a hunch).
DOMination-  +   1007d ago
How can it be too late for MS to change the specs. The consoles won't go into production until around July so its pretty of time to alter some minor logistics. Sony change their ram at the last minute, pretty sure MS could do the same.
Munky  +   1007d ago

you sir a breath of fresh air on this site. Bub+ for you
dcbronco  +   1007d ago

The only dev kits we have seen(?) have been PC cases. We don't know what the motherboard or case looks like on the final product. So we don't know if their is room for changes. We know from leaks that the 720 architecture might be modular. Most thought for upgrades. I believe it is for two reasons. First, the final specs of the console will be secret until the last moment. HSA sees all resources as one part. Adding more parts just adds more resources. It doesn't change the previous development. Two, these parts will be sold to make TVs, Set-top boxes, phones and Surface.

If you look at the old 2010 Xbox leak(you can still find it online, the lawyers didn't get all of it), you'll see that direction. They originally had two APUs and a CPU planned, so I'm not sure what adjustments need to be made. Plus DDR5 takes more power but less space so adding a bigger PS is offset by the space created by fewer RAM sticks. And that power supply might be on the outside again.
ArmrdChaos  +   1007d ago
Gotta love these threads. So much effort wasted on a subject that don't mean $hit until the product is in the box and on the truck. Sony hasn't released all their specs... namely price... and Microsoft hasn't given up anything official to date. Yet here are all the cheerleaders, panties in a bunch, throwing conjecture around like they were proverbial boulders in efforts of crushing the "enemy". It would be nice to courtesy flush all this opinionated crap and get back to posting concrete NEWS on this site.
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dcbronco  +   1007d ago
Chaos the purpose of the comment section is for people to give their opinion. Your comment was about your opinion that people shouldn't be giving their opinions? Huh...WHAT?
xxLuckyStrike  +   1007d ago
Lol that Sony fanboys think they know the 720's specs and that there final. that M$ wouldn't go back and change them. I think Sony fanboys HOPE M$ doesn't go and revise specs. Means they 1up Sony and the PS4. If the leak is accurate M$ has not choice but to change specs.

1. An accurate leak almost a year before launch just looks bad. And the fact that they sat on it after Sony's great PS4 conference and Steam box announcement last year.

2. To 1up or match the PS4 specs

3. To gain some of Nintendo's Marketshare (buyers on the fence) by being able to offer a console just as powerful if not more.

4. It's a two console race this gen and a large % of Nintendo's market share is up for grabs.

5. An answer for Steam Box

Sony fanboy wont like that and want to believe the supposed leaked documents are etched in stone.. That M$ cant go back and change specs. If true Maybe they already did. Its likely M$ has/had 2-3 options to chose from.

*But I could be wrong
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3GenGames  +   1007d ago
Agreed. People saying they can't change the hardware easily...well at this point, they can easily. Early games don't push the API's to the limits. And UPGRADING hardware means you can push it further by default. Just upate the hardware, libs, and then send the new API to the devs to test/work with with updated guides to how it works with the hardware. It's not that bad right now. But will they? I don't think so. I can see 8GB of DDR3 being used. But still, it's easy to change hardware at this point in time. It'll be interesting to see what the reveal specs will be! I don't think they'll be much different from what we've seen, though.
Ju  +   1007d ago
Can I ask my X friends a question? So, what if...let's just say, what if PS4's specs are so much better. Will you be hurt a lot? Just asking because you go the extra mile to pull those fancy ideas out of miracle land that all those fancy features happen because its MS. Weird. Reading through here, it quite looks that way. ;) LOL
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GraveLord  +   1007d ago
They pretty much are. The leaked PS4 specs were spot on except for Sony decided to double the RAM.
Rageanitus  +   1007d ago
If its coming out this year. You can count on specs being pretty much final. It is just that they are not disclosing it (for marketing reasons).

It takes at least 6 months to ask China to build the parts in quantity and ship it through the supply chain.
Jockamo  +   1007d ago
Plus the 360 changed it specs right before its announcement because Epic told them to increase their ram for the unreal engine. It was totally easy for them to change that...
slapedurmomsace  +   1006d ago
@ ju....that depends..are you hurt the moment the ps4 is released it'll already be outta date tech compared to the tech for PC's? You really should take a look at some of the upcoming GPU's that are coming out. Amazing, and I'm not a PC only gamer. As a gamer who doesn't blindly follow any company just because they put they're name on it, I haven't missed 1 must have 10/10 game yet. It's a shame too from, Gears, to Mario Galaxy to Metro and to Uncharted, anyone who only follows one system just because it says sony, ms or nintendo etc..you are really missing out on a lot, and coming off as an elitest that no one is gonna take seriously anyway. If you can only afford 1 system (and I can completely understand that, thank god I never have anything planned for those months I get paid 3 times) than enjoy your system and everything it has to offer, but to come on a website to put down someone else who decided to pick a different platform...it's not gonna make your self esteem any better, and big Jim is still gonna take your lunch money monday.
andrewsqual  +   1006d ago
They should be fine. They released a prototype to the masses before in 2005 and released the final product 4 and a half years later in Summer 2010 and people accepted it like it was an absolutely normal thing to do. So just do it again.
gaffyh  +   1006d ago
MS did change the specs at the latest point last time, which caused the RROD issue. I can't see them making the same mistake again. Whatever they've already confirmed as specs, will be the same. Although the leaks in the first place may not have been accurate.
bicfitness  +   1006d ago
If they swap out the RAM to be DDR5 (which they will NOT), they would have to cut the EDRAM off the mobo. That only exists in lieu of a faster RAM solution. So we'd be talking about a redesign, plus an new order for silicon, plus an increase in price. It's simply not going to happen. MS would miss Xmas for sure. No matter how much money they could throw at the issue.

If the leaked Orbis specs were as accurate as they were, we can expect the same with Durango. MS has EDRAM and their architecture will be "good enough". They'll just market the crap out of what they already have.

Last gen, Epic asking/ demanding for another MODULE of the SAME RAM MS were already planning on using is clearly a simpler and unrelated resolution to a DIFFERENT issue. Please stop comparing them.
greenpowerz  +   1007d ago
You guys keep saying that hoping it's true.


- Xbox 360 specs were changed for Gears Of War after Epic requested more RAM just a few months before launch. http://www.qj.net/xbox-360/...

-PS3 specs were changed before it's launch(something to do with PS3 Laser Diode?)

-PS4 specs were changed from 4 gigs to 8 gigs after needing to match the 720's rumored ram one up-ing the old spces(can't find the article)

-720 specs have been changing over time

^^^720 4 gigs of RAM http://arstechnica.com/gami...

^^^720 8 gigs of RAM http://gamerant.com/xbox-72...

-Leaked docs of 720 specs were old unfinalized docs for internal employee discussion and dev kit specs are changed all the time since cosnoles before they are built are on PC.

Sony is trying to get MSFT to copy their announced specs so they can one up MSFT but MSFT will make the 720 strong enough to avoid the trap. This specs race started after MSFT specs were leaked.

The Next Xbox will end up with 10 to 12 gigs of the best RAM. MSFT has come too far with too many investors tasting the crown.
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barb_wire  +   1007d ago
12GB's of RAM!?! - yeah right genius and no doubt expect to pay $1000+ for that next box..
Hellsvacancy  +   1007d ago
"10 to 12 gigs of the best RAM" I shall come back to this silly comment in a few months time and remember how laughable it was "10 to 12 gigs of the best RAM" MS doesnt love you that much, I doubt itll be above 6 (was going to say 4)
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TheGamerDood  +   1007d ago
"The Next Xbox will end up with 10 to 12 gigs of the best RAM"

Is there anything better than GDDR5 right now? teehee

MS said a while ago that it's pointless to fight over hardware specs, they saw what happened on the PC and have no desire to replicate that on consoles.

(guys, guys no need to be jerks about it, we don't like it when they do it to us..show respect and you'll get it)
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Rainstorm81  +   1007d ago
Because there is no article.......just rumor and speculation that sheep love to eat up.

10-12gb of Ram? Oh I see how this works make up shyt and pass it off as fact....well in that case I saw a rumor Halo And Gears would be PS4 exclusives.....your move green.

Crazy-land is fun :)

@green below

The thing is nothing is getting changed this late in the game....your proof articles are old as hell and with the 360 the could've made the chage well over a year before the console released.....no hardware changes will be made within the same year the console launches......now go read the articles you posted and do the math
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BigStef71  +   1007d ago
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul
greenpowerz  +   1007d ago
Disagree much?
Holy crap LMAO

Ruffled some feathers?

I guess Sony is allowed to change specs but not MSFT then?

Assuming MSFT needs to change anything because of PS4 being better spec-ed is just seculation based on not knowing what MSFT is really doing.

You're entitled to believe your double standards over which company can make changes. It's your right to assume the PS4 is the best spec-ed console even now, forget about MSFT changing anything.


You didn't understand that?

It was a response to a troll saying MSFT can't change the specs of the 720 and I responded with examples of it happening all the time. I guess you wish MSFT will not be able to change the 720 aswell?

Your response is the most childish a$$hurt thing I've heard in a while. Selective intelligence?

My post was examples of changes to specs and the spec war going on, that started this generation.

An Ape could grasp what I said LOL


If you're responding to me I wasn't talking about ram a Console or PC wouldn't use.
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DethWish  +   1007d ago
Yes there is better ram than gddr5, its used by server machines and its expensive as fuck. Don't expect to see "the best ram" in a console anytime soon :)
stage88  +   1007d ago
Bookmarked to laugh at later once MS unveil the new Xbox and its less than superior ram.

PS. Hi, future Stage88, I hope April is treating you well
Cyrax4  +   1007d ago
"The Next Xbox will end up with 10 to 12 gigs of the best RAM."

You haven't the slightest idea of what you're talking about, kiddo. If you honestly think that MS will have 10-12 GB of GDDR5 RAM, you must be younger than 12 years old.

MS will have 8GB of DDR3 RAM and try to counter Sony be offering a system that is underpowered but much cheaper.
MasterCornholio  +   1007d ago
Nice article

"It would have been nice to see the screenshot that squeezed a further billion dollars from Microsoft's budget just to swap out 256MB for 512MB."

But heres the problem with it. Microsoft was told by epic to upgrade the amount of ram from 256MB to 512MB however if you read the article the ram type is still the same. The reason why they could upgrade the ram was because the motherboard supported DDR3 ram so they could swap out the 256MB stick and replace it with a 512MB one.

However Microsoft is using DDR3 with the 720 which is a type of ram thats slower than the PS4s GDDR5 so while they both have 8GB of ram the PS4s ram is still faster. Now here comes the reason why Microsoft cant upgrade the ram for the console.

The reason why they cant replace the ram with a faster one is because of this.

"First up, unless Microsoft has radically upgraded its graphics and memory configuration for Durango in the last nine months (an engineering nightmare unlikely to happen - it can't really add more chips as Sony has done)"


What this means is that if Microsoft wants GDDR5 ram, they would have to redesign the motherboard which is something that could delay the 720 by a substantial amount. Which is the reason why they are not doing it because they dont want to give Sony a head start with this.

This is just something that you have to live with.
Kur0  +   1007d ago
There is a difference between just adding more of the same type of ram to a motherboard then completely changing the type of ram a console architecture runs on.
adorie  +   1007d ago
i bet you don't game on pc and understand the basics of the hardware market. Because it at least seems that way.
grayfoxx881  +   1007d ago
I am so tired of reading your delusional comments. Please, stop embarrassing yourself.
nukeitall  +   1007d ago
As I pointed out in the previous comment, specs aren't the defining factor nor is carefully computed numbers to show a system in its best condition.

It is the overall architecture for a type of load.

That said, MS likely has several designs for the next Xbox architecture. They all have contingency plans so it wouldn't be impossible for MS to change.

Question is, do they want to or do they think their architecture can match the competitors?
BlueTemplar  +   1007d ago
@greenpowerz you deserve more bubbles for being hilarious.
xxLuckyStrike  +   1007d ago

their worried. They say it's too late for M$ to have changed anything an that's final. Cause nothing can be more powerful then the PS4. If it does they'll all start jumping off bridges or continue to live in denial
dubt72  +   1007d ago
@stef I don't think green knows that that was an insanely funny scene in Billy Madison, or else he'd see the comedy in it and realize you were joking around (I think). But kudos, nonetheless.
Dee_91  +   1007d ago
Maybe you and greenpower should learn how to read.Nobody said they cant change their specs or its too late.
They can update or change if they want but its common sense that it wont release this year.Like what everyone is saying ... geniuses.
Any way.. I dont think they will change their specs.
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NonApplicable  +   1007d ago
Can I subtract a bubble for being a complete moron?
Epic_Troy  +   1006d ago
Why soo many disagrees you was speaking the truth and the Ps3 fan boys disagree smfh
fsfsxii  +   1006d ago
I like how you couldn't find the article and made up these facts and built the 720 facts over rumors....
SDF Repellent  +   1007d ago
Man, another kaz avatar, let me guess you are a Sony fan. The fact of the matter is no one really knows the final spec of the next Xbox, the rumored for Sony is close and mostly true except for the 8gb ram part, but that doesn't mean the spec for the next Xbox is correct. For all we know, there might be several prototype of the x720 in preparation for a counter like this. Lets not get ahead of ourselves. Remember, Microsoft has billions in cash and Sony is still in the Red.
Outside_ofthe_Box  +   1007d ago
Can I guess what fan you are lol?

It's safe to say the specs for both systems are going to be fairly close. That's why Sony revealed their specs. They know that even if the 720 out specs the PS4 the difference won't be super huge. Which one is more powerful than other isn't going to matter in the bigger scheme of things as the difference won't be big. Only fanboys are going to be gloating about it just like they do with sales. Most 3rd party devs are doing to develop for both console so as long the install bases are as close as it is this gen.
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Luthiens1  +   1007d ago
Talking of red, didnt ms change the ram for the 360 late in development. It has to be remembered how many launch machines whent belly up (mine included) because of heat issues. I hope they dont try to bandage stuff into it again.
*edit* My first paragraph is fact, so to disagree must mean you do want bandage's...lmfao.
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adorie  +   1007d ago
This buds for you.

Assets are as good as cash. Think of it as a more intelligent "yard sale"
DigitalSmoke  +   1006d ago
Did you see Microsoft put out Sony's INCREDIBLE hype momentum with a "simple" remark saying that ofcourse!!! they will match, or go past the Sony spec!!!....
nope, so they can do NOTHING, or they would have shut this Sony party down days ago.

Microsoft is in bigger trouble then you realize.
Dragos75  +   1007d ago
Why would MS have to change their specs?....lol Specs are important but in the end both of theses consoles will be similar in power. Its all about strategy.
DigitalSmoke  +   1006d ago
On a 1 to 1 hardware strength ratio Microsoft loses the battle to Sony on every single day.
They cannot match the software output Sony has generated.

If they underpower their console (wich i think they can do nothing about at this stage and level) they will get a beating so hard, that they will leave so much damage to their comunity that there's no choice but leave the console scene completely.
They cannot get Sega on us because they have no software.
ALLWRONG  +   1007d ago
LOL PS fanboys hoping and wishing that rumored Xbox specs are true. I remember MS doing a couple serious upgrades to the 360 at the last minute. Hell even Sony added Blu-ray at the last minute. I don't know what is more "duh" comparing to rumored internet specs, or believing that those rumors are true.
user3915800  +   1007d ago
You see thats how events are done 3 days.
haggishurler  +   1007d ago
You see thats how events are done internal.

morkendo23  +   1007d ago
all i hear these days: more power,more power,more power ps4 will have power with 720 with power.
all i want is more GAMES,more GAMES,more GAMES!!!!!

only power im concern with is the power button (on switch)
AngelicIceDiamond  +   1007d ago
MS can't change their specs by that time? Or how bout MS probably already has powerful specs to begin with?

I'm just saying both Sony and MS will have powerful machines.
3-4-5  +   1007d ago
Basically it's this

A.) Leave it as is and Xbox 720 released Holiday 2013

B.) Add change memory to DDR5 and console is released in March 2014.
deanobi  +   1007d ago
12 Gig Ram and March 2013 release for the new Xbox Trinity ;)
akaakaaka  +   1006d ago
I'm sure I will not get one but let's hope they keep up with the 8gb gddr5 ram..

and this time we see EA games Konami where missing from the Sony conference..
I want to see more next gen games!!!
humbleopinion  +   1006d ago
I also doubt MS will change it in such a short time, but the real question is: did they already change it months ago without this information leaking out?
Sony after all just surprised everyone with 8GB VS 4GB, and they didn't just decide to stick it in the system last month.

Time will tell...
otherZinc  +   1006d ago
Wow, I didn't know M$ released final specs to its shareholders??? All M$'s specs to this point is PURE speculation.

M$ changed its specs only at the strong request of Epic. I'm positive they have a set of specs geared to choose from.
Tr10wn  +   1006d ago
I dont understand how you can change something that isnt even announced yet, all the specs andanything 720 related is just rumors, the 720 might as well be powered by the sun but is just a rumor...
AmkOwns  +   1006d ago
i hope MS will hit hard so sony can hit harder :-)
Munky  +   1006d ago

So would bumping the amount of DDR3 RAM be a better/more realistic option at this point for MS? Would it even be worth the trouble to increase the amount of RAM or is DDR5 that much faster then DDR3 that any increase would be considered a waste of time? I'm curious of what you think as you seem to know what you are talking about.
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r1sh12  +   1006d ago
they might.
They did it with the wireless controller for xbox 360, and with soo much media scrutiny over the generation of RAM in the nextbox I wouldnt be surprised if they are forced to
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BrianC6234  +   1007d ago
Microsoft is going to show their console internally? I'd hope people at Microsoft have seen it by now.
Donnieboi  +   1007d ago
Investors, genius.
BrianC6234  +   1007d ago
Where does it say investors in this genius?

“The purpose of START (Strategies, Tactics and Regional Targets) is to bring together all levels of employees from CCG to share high-level corporate direction as well as Business Group and segment product strategies and details necessary to build out timely, comprehensive and integrated business plans,”
Donnieboi  +   1007d ago
That entire segment u quoted had named it's investors. Genius.
Irishguy95  +   1007d ago
Please just leave this comment section and never come back
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IronFistChinMi  +   1007d ago
It was reported a while back, that Microsoft had this project under extremely high lockdown. If you were asked to work on it, you couldn't even tell your line manager what you were up to. Microsoft just gave you a list of stock responses, so they'd know to stop asking.
Munky  +   1007d ago
Exactly, the whole "team" working on the Nextbox is very small to begin with. On top of what you just stated, MS has made a very strong attempt to keep everything under wraps until they are ready to unveil the console. To think that the whole company or a large number of individuals working for MS are aware of all the details related to the console is pretty ridiculous.
MichaelLito79  +   1007d ago
I think we should all wait and see before we add more rumors. These debates get old fast. No one clearly has a final product until closer to the holiday.
MontyQ  +   1007d ago
I heard the next xbox was made by bill gates and stephen hawkings and that if you play halo on it you can open a worm hole to the omniverse. FACT
Reverent  +   1007d ago
Pictures or it didn't happen.

Dee_91  +   1007d ago
i can confirm this
plaZeHD  +   1007d ago
I feel sorry for the new Tomb Raider game. Poor Lara. She is not gonna be rich this time.
air1  +   1007d ago
They are going to have a silver, gold, and platinum console.. Upgrade by buying a new console.
clintagious650  +   1007d ago
Honestly even if the specs were true for the nextbox. It would be the same results as u see with the ps3 vs 360. Its not whats under the hood thats going to showcase the hardware for each machine since they are not a huge gap inbetween each other but its the 1st party devs for each company that will show the differences between the 2 & in all honesty no bias opinion sony's studios just do a better job then ms is 1st party studios in showcasing the systems power. I mean look at ms is best looking games were all from 3rd party studios. Is that bad thing no but u would think their 1st party studios would showcase the 360's power through their games but thats not the case. So enough with which machine is more powerful because as I stated, its the devs that will showcase the systems potential not the system itself.
Cueil  +   1007d ago
The difference isn't necessarily the skill of first party studio, but the fact that Xbox Live takes up 10 percent of CPU cycles as well as a chunk of RAM. This will also be the case for the PS4 and next Xbox. You'll never see anyone "max out" the console because it simply wont be allowed.
Reverent  +   1007d ago
Until Crytek releases Crysis 4, saying "Yup, we maxed out the PS4 and NextBox already!" after the consoles have been out for a single year.

And then again when they release Crysis 5 a year after that... And so on.

Basically what I'm getting at, Crytek are whiny d-bags. Lol
Cueil  +   1006d ago
three people disagree with reality... that's amusing
dark_101  +   1007d ago
So far hackers are going behind the sun
And m$ acting cool by not showing any kind of respond
to the public
ironmonkey  +   1007d ago
Just get them both regardless. Wii u is done.
Cueil  +   1007d ago
yeah? Where are millions of people going to get their Mario and Zelda fixes from? Nintendo isn't going anywhere
Jakens  +   1007d ago
That Princess got herself into that mess, she can get herself out.
ot, Those dates are not far off now. MS could be planning to sell their consoles at a huge lost for marketshare. It won't matter much who launches first because of public percepcion playing a huge roll.
Jek_Porkins  +   1007d ago
Not sure why everyone is all up in arms about the Ram, nobody seemed to mention it much when the Xbox 360 had more than the PS3.

I think both consoles will be comparable, realistically much like this generation. Those hoping for that little extra thing to beat your chest over need to give it a rest.

We actually don't know anything about the next Xbox, hopefully it's on par so that developers can make even games for all consoles concerned.
Munky  +   1007d ago
Because on N4G if it's not Sony doing it, it's crap.
mochachino  +   1007d ago
They both had 512, just a different configuration.
Godmars290  +   1007d ago
More what the monkey said, less from the dog.
Epic_Troy  +   1006d ago
Excalty android phones has more ram then I phones sooooooo

I'm surprised Sony hasn't announced cross game cheat yet lol

@munky your absolutely right and that's the sad part
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urwifeminder  +   1007d ago
Sweet I dont really care how powerfull it is i have pc for that as long as it doesnt have sony written on it im in.
Many-hat5  +   1007d ago
Well, we all know PS4 is 8GB DDR5 (unified), that's pretty cool.Although, as I've posted in another article I'm not sure it was always intended to be 8GB. Anyway,IMO, it largely depends on whether MS goes with 8GB DDR3 (unified). It's one thing having DDR3 Vs DDR5 for main system memory, but for video, now that really could be telling, don't you think? Of course, MS may have a system the includes DDR5 for video, which would be inline with today's standard, and possibly, still have 8GB DDR3 for main system RAM. Personally, I just can't see MS taking a retro-grade step and using DDR3 for video,can you?
legendof117  +   1007d ago
Well said and I agree. Bubble +
Ju  +   1007d ago
Probably because they haven't explained why they do it? It's a pure cost optimization nothing else. And because MS's priority seemed to be the 8GB in the first place. Nobody would have thought they could stick 8GB GDDR5 in a console when they started designing it. Sony themselves designed that thing with only 4...but something must have changed that they pushed 8 onto it - and not just the leak; but also maybe a new offering to double the module capacity or something down the line.

The only alternative to that is what MS is doing. Based on some age old recommendation and research (I think Carmack did some of those, and the old Permedia guys)....there is some specs floating around some where - go google it...but what the basic idea is, that you can use a relatively small very fast VRAM buffer if you have some fast logic which can feed those buffers on the fly. In a sense a "Graphics MMU" (Memory Management Unit) which uses the relatively slow DDR3 to page textures in and out of EDRAM.

So, most of the time, the GPU will work in this EDRAM buffer (at 170GB/s or so) while the "Move Engines" will push textures in and out of EDRAM. Basically the EDRAM will run all shaders and effects and is comparable with a CPUs cache. As long as you work in the EDRAM there is no slow down to GDDR5. The question remains, how fast and transparent the move engines can do the virtualization. It's a compromise and the chip has to work harder, but it might reach just the same performance levels. Well - that is if it has the same specs. The second part of those rumors however indicate it runs less CUs (12 vs. the 18 in the PS4) and "only" 1.25TFlops. But that's speculation, it could simply run a higher clock speed - or not.

Changing this to GDDR5 won't do it any good. This is a Soc. Changing the memory makes EDRAM redundant, the memory controller would need to revised, all bus controllers as well (most likely - now the CPU has higher latency into GDDR) and the move engines are not necessary any more. You see, changing this to GDDR basically means starting over from scratch. It is way to far to do this so late in the game. 1 or 2 years of R&D would go down the drain. This just won't happen.

Sony would have released with 4GB. They are taking a hit with pumping it up to 8GB, and I would think nobody would really have expected them to, not even MS. So, well see. Not sure how much MS can change to ramp this up. I think it is already the more expensive chip, probably even requiring more power (move engines? EDRAM?). I doubt they have a lot of room here. DDR3 is cheaper, and will mostly offset the chip costs. But I would even go so far to say, the PS4 has a cost advantage because it's the simpler design.
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Septic  +   1007d ago
Please tell me you are are in the tech industry. How do you guys know so much?! Impressive knowledge and understanding, or at least it looks like it....I wouldn't have the slightest clue! But here's + bubbles for intelligence!
Ju  +   1007d ago
Well, I'm in SW but I have an electronics education and I've been doing this since the 80s...so, well. Just an educated guess, I think.

What's funny this time around is, you can actually compare this with the PS360 cycle - Sony started early based on what they knew from the PS2. They knew they need more vector performance. They added new vector processors in form of SPUs. They had no idea what a shader unit was.

MS came later and invested into the GPU. Sony didn't see that coming, hence the CELL. Sony couldn't imagine at the time, that GPUs and shaders would make the vector processors redundant.

And here. It's looks the same way. MS did not expect that it could be feasible in the near future to put that much GDDR into a console - and they were almost right. I mean, NVidea are the only ones who actually just now released 6GB on a graphics card the very first time. If they'd have to release today, they could probably take this home.

In either case, either company was forced to come up with creative ideas. At some point, history repeats itself and technology overtakes your design cycle. That's just life.
nosferatuzodd  +   1006d ago
Well said my friend bubble 4 u very intelligently put
Many-hat5  +   1006d ago
Hi Ju,

Yeah, interesting. I have read some of the articles pertaining to the EDRAM and move engines, and what you say would make sense. Except, well, why? Okay, both consoles are using SOC, fine. However, the move engines and EDRAM aren't part of that are they? So why would MS complicate the design like this? To save a few pounds on RAM(DDR3 Vs DDR5), but in the process produce a more complicated system.My feeling for what it's worth, is the EDRAM and move engines have more to do with 'other' functions than directly relating to graphics.Of course, I understand that it's too late in the day to make fundamental changes to the architecture,but my point is, maybe it was designed with DDR5 for video from the start. Maybe, just maybe, that's the part MS haven't told us about. Anyway,it's fun speculating, and if the MS rumoured specs turn out to be accurate,inline with your comments, then it would suggest to me that the next box is more to do with media than games,but that's just me.
solidboss07  +   1007d ago
After all of the crap that they pulled, and talked, this gen its funny to picture the lot of them at this internal showcase with red-eyed despair and sweat marks on their shirts.
SDF Repellent  +   1007d ago
Sometime I just wondered how in the world did you get all those bubbles from the things that you type.
Cherchez La Ghost  +   1007d ago
Speculations..., speculations. I'm impressed what Sony has. But why in the hell are people mad because they didn't show the Shell of the PS4?! You can look sexy all day, but what's inside matters the most. And I cannot lie, I do like the what the PS4 is turning out to be.

Despite most of you don't like MS, they are a software company. Just like Google and Apple, they do have some good concepts for future tech. It don't matter who created what idea. It's about the idea being better as time goes by. Personnaly, I do not see the next Xbox will be no slouch beside the PS4. I don't like to, but I assume they learned their lesson from the 360 launch. I'm reading most of you guys post and you have some good opinions of speculations.

E3 is going to be the shit this year!!
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BitbyDeath  +   1007d ago
Still thinking MS will go the casual route this gen.
Kinect will be the main focus with a small number of core games.
whoyouwit04  +   1007d ago
So says the guy with the kratos avatar, more like wishful thinking. I still don't under stand why people think microsoft will focus on casual games next gen when they have one studio Black Tusk working on four core ips alone.
BitbyDeath  +   1007d ago
'I still don't under stand why people think microsoft will focus on casual games'

Wii U didn't get the casual market they had last gen and casuals are waiting for the next big thing to come along. Why try compete with Sony when you can get easy bucks going in another direction?
Jek_Porkins  +   1007d ago
Microsoft likes money and is perceived as greedy right? They might like money, but they aren't stupid. They have to absolutely know that core gamers buy consoles at launch.

The Xbox 360 will continue to sell to casuals with the first Kinect and all the apps and things like that. The next Xbox will no doubt feature Kinect 2.0, but I believe if it is 1:1, which is possible now, then it's a whole new ballgame and not aimed at casuals.

Sony has a camera as well, and they showed Move and social network functions with the PS4 did they not? Microsoft had success getting a lot of different types of gamers. Sony tried as well, I liked Move but thought it wasn't supported well.

I was happy to see MM bust out a Move with their new game. We might even see the PS4 launch with a Move.
BitbyDeath  +   1007d ago
Core gamers were praising Kinect, why backflip now? Wasn't that long ago all the core gamers around here were backing Kinect games and going on frequently about how well it sells.

Why is Kinect now the red headed step child to some?

MS would have seen how much everyone loves Kinect so it is a logical step to move forward on what the fanbase wants.

You can't always just want the toy Sony is holding. Be vocal about what you really want and let MS know.
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whoyouwit04  +   1007d ago
You know the funny thing? every one is arguing over who will have the most and better ram, But when HIPHOPGAMER was saying that ram would be the key next gen every one was dogging the hell out of him saying he was stupid and didn't know what the hell he was talking about.
isyourhouseonfire  +   1007d ago
Awesome news!!
Godmars290  +   1007d ago

First thought is reassessment of what they have planned for the Next Box in light of what the PS4 reveal. Whether or not in invest in more horsepower.

Still, expecting leaks to come out.
whoyouwit04  +   1007d ago
I don't see why people don't think Microsoft already change their specs after the leak assuming it was real.
Godmars290  +   1007d ago
Because internal wi-fi, an HDMI port and HD-DVD/BR were never an issue with them despite general complaints from the community, or that they've made changes in regards to all after the fact.

If they think they can get away with it, if they're more worried about media streaming rather than games, then they'll try to get away with it.

And if the market proves them wrong, they'll try to fix it.
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deanobi  +   1007d ago
Trust me, I know what I'm talking about The new Xbox will ship with 12 Gig Ram and be cheaper than the PS4
telekineticmantis  +   1007d ago
Do we get to see it?
pankajsc96  +   1007d ago
lets say both have 8Gb DDR5
next question how much Msft & Sony reserve for their OS???
OSIRUSSS  +   1007d ago
I would not buy a 720 until 2-3 years in. MS stockholders will clammer for an end to it if it doesn't start out the gate fast. There have been articles about SH complaining that MS is a software company first and has lost its way. The tablet software is getting smoked by Android and Apple. A lot of SHs thinks MS needs to refocus.
PAYNEinc85  +   1007d ago
Each company whether it be Sony or Microsoft have informants. Most of them are game developers themselves that have worked with either Xbox or PS4 developer kits and know what hardware they have. Why do you think Sony unexpectedly doubled the ram? More than likely someone who had been working with an Xbox developer kit told someone at Sony about the Xbox having 8 gigs of ram. This is why the PS3 and 360 were so similar in specs.
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Upbeat  +   1006d ago
prob embarrassed to tell the world what the have came up with LOL !
xxLuckyStrike  +   1006d ago
Or misinform someone to get them to relax. Only to later drop 12 GB of ram on that ass with a clock speed of 2.4 ghertz. My point being we'll never really know until MS CONFIRMS. But at this point the ball is CLEARLY in M$ hands.
Upbeat  +   1006d ago
@manngame your comment below is completely idiotic, first of all your blind, and secondly your real name must be stevy wonder. anyhow i read an article yesterday about how the new xbox has as much ram as ps4 but its very slow which just makes it irrelevant.
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DeadSpaced  +   1006d ago
I'm just sitting in the back, watching all these comment wars go on, when I can't but think this thought: "We're all gamers. So, rather than being dedicated to a specific brand, can't we just sit back knowing that, in the end, both Microsoft (without the dollar sign) and Sony will bend over backwards for the gamer?"

I think both companies will have a small focus on motion-gameplay, but this won't be the main focus on either company.

Finally, specs can change. Why complain if they benefit gamers and developers?

I don't see the reason for this hate. We're the ones they're fighting for, so I don't think fanboy vs. fanboy combat is necessary. (Unless we actually get an arena. In that case, let the fighting begin.)
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optimus  +   1006d ago
It's called competition; it's everywhere...if there wasn't any, companies wouldn't grow. we'd be driving the same cars from the 30's, eating the same cereal, listening to the same music over and over again...we would still be living in the 16 bit era...they fight for our dollars and we will defend the company we want to strive...
back in my day, (the 8-bit era; even before that but i don't count that) you only had 2 choices and it was one or the other, rarely would you find someone that had both and pc were not part of the equation at that time...
i've been a loyalist through 4 generations of videogames meaning i only buy 1 and proud of it. ask sports fans if they only support 1 team in basketball, baseball, etc...you see it's no fun if you cheer for the home AND away team.

as for microsoft; give me a 1 terrabyte internal hardrive and i'll be a happy camper...as well as reducing the cost of xboxlive to saaay...30 bucks? :)
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Upbeat  +   1006d ago
finally a wise commment on this page lol
Tiqila  +   1006d ago
whats the big deal?

I think you can easily update the specs, if architecture remains the same. I buy new components for my pc, still can play older games...

if developers designed their launch games with a lower spec in mind, they will still run on an improved 720.

I am very happy with PS4's specs and really looking forward to what microsoft has in their holes.

I have not decided which consoles i will get, but its either ps4 or ps4 and 720 ;)
tagzskie  +   1006d ago
i dont care if xbox spec is not comparable to sony, even its 4gb ddr3 ram as long that im not limited to halo, gears, forza, fable. I bought an xbox because of blue dragon, lost odyssey, infinite undescovery, tales of vesperia alan wake ect etc. But after that is meh. Sequel of alan wake is not enough for me, i want semi free roam alan wake like 1, i hate fps on console because i suck using controller. Also make online play free like psn then im sold. thats my only request no matter what your specs nextbox. Ohw also the price point make your price equal value of your specs. BOW
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