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Sony has Learned from Their Mistakes, the PS4 will Start Strong

Playeressence's Furious Francis discuss how the PS4 will hit the ground running next generation. Plus, how Sony can avoid the pitfalls the PS3 had against Microsoft and Nintendo's Systems.

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mochachino4096d ago

Biggest problem with PS3 was lack of quality online, difficult hardware, and price.

So yeah, Sony has learned from their mistakes and is in a good position to excel this gen.

Theyellowflash304096d ago

I thought the online was pretty good. Then again I'm not huge on Xbox Live.

Skips4096d ago (Edited 4096d ago )

I thought the online was pretty good too. Even before PS+ happened. After PS+, PSN (or SEN) has been the best in terms of getting the most bang for your buck for online entertainment on consoles IMO.

ON A SIDE NOTE: Did any of you guys receive $10 for the PSN store via message from Sony for being a "loyal customer"?

saladthieves4096d ago

Considering they were just launching the PS3, I would say the online portion of it was not really a problem. It was more of the cost of the hardware and lack of huge lineup of launch games. Besides, it was unfair to compare it to Xbox Live then, which had years to mature.

Fast-forward on today - and I can easily say that the PSN is more than a contender to Xbox Live, especially when you factor in PS+. I am honestly glad I subscribed. If Sony just continues to give us gamers what we want (GAMES), I'm going to keep buying them. It's okay if they branch out a bit, but as long as their focus remains in delivering good quality games (unlike Microsoft), I'll keep on subscribing.

360ICE4096d ago (Edited 4096d ago )

It didn't have ingame XMB at release. You had to quit the game to read messages. No, it did not have good online at release compared to Xbox. It was free, though, which is a plus. And after a couple of updates the online is very decent indeed. PS Plus is fantastic.

Gazondaily4096d ago

The online was terrible, what are you on about? It was very basic at its core. Quitting to the dashboard to read messages? What was up with that? No XMB overlay?

Seriously, how do you people not remember? And it paled in comparison to Xbox Live.

deafdani4096d ago

I think he meant at launch. The PS3's online today is a beast, but it was VERY different back in its first year. Back then, it sucked balls compared to Live on the 360.

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Bathyj4096d ago

None of those thing really mattered in the end. Xbox releasing a year early has been the only real difference.

If you dont agree then think what PS3's sales would be to XB if it had released on the same day.

And remember everyone always says it was a year late, but it was a year and a half in Europe which is Sonys most popular territory.

Gaming_Guru4096d ago

I would agree, especially since the first generation xbox 360's had no HDMI and were breaking down like crazy the one year allowed them to recover in time for the PlayStation 3.

As with the online, it's the same as it was from launch, it's just that developers add more features now, unlike with Xbox Live having everything set up by Microsoft.

NastyLeftHook04096d ago

lack of quality online? hey journey is a awesome goty online game.

ozstar4096d ago

If its not cheaper than Wii U and 720, they've made the same mistake.

Quote me on this.

Hicken4096d ago

It doesn't have to be cheaper. It just shouldn't be markedly more expensive. As long as the base model isn't some $150 dollars more than the top model for the competition, they'll be alright.

Assuming it's worth the asking price, of course.

Theyellowflash304096d ago

It needs to be reasonably priced though. $399 is the sweet spot for a lot of core gamers. Casuals will like it around $250 before they jump on.

K1SSMYAZZ4096d ago

What makes people think that Microsoft is not themselves on the point of bringing out a better console?

I believe Microsoft was and has always been til this day one step ahead of Sony. Every single move they made Microsoft has intelligently counter it.

So once again, Sony is behind as always, which is why they are planning to hit first compared to last time when they were full themselves.

FamilyGuy4096d ago (Edited 4096d ago )

So wrong here.

The 360 had no hdmi, no wifi, no mandatory hard drive, still uses dvd9 for its games, battery powered controllers instead of rechargeable ones aaaand rushed their product to market causing tons of returned models which hurt their reputation big time. Microsoft is and has always been way behind sony, no where near steps ahead. They played catch up by adding the features the could in the Elite model.

They followed both Sony and Nintendo's footsteps by releasing a interactive camera peripheral and then chasing the casual market. MS is only good at throwing glitter in the eyes of consumers, it may sparkle at first but all they really did was blind you.

Gazondaily4096d ago (Edited 4096d ago )

@Familyguy

You're right on many of the points but MS was WAY ahead in the online arena, there is simply no arguing against it. Even to this day, the PS3 cannot do what the 360 was doing pretty much day one.

Also, MS was ahead in its UI and ideas such as achievements etc.

Your last paragraph is just nonsense in my opinion. MS followed both Sony and MS?

I'm sorry but was it Sony that, having seen what the Wii was doing, did a last minute botch job that was the SixAxis without the rumble feature. How well did Sony implement that? And look at Move. At least MS committed to their piece of hardware; again what did Sony do? They copy Nintendo and then do a half-arsed job with a piece of hardware they devoted most of the E3 show to.

Let's not forget the huge mistake that was the CELL processor and how the vast majority of multiplat games suffered on the PS3.

The glitter appears to be in your eyes mate. Whilst I'm not suggesting MS was ahead of the curve, I think they were far more clued up this gen.

andibandit4096d ago

mochachino you're forgetting

Launch Lineup.
Marketing.

BullyMangler4096d ago

and dont forget they lack comfort . fart! ..

Karpetburnz4096d ago

The biggest mistakes Sony made was the huge price and lack of advertising. apart from that I think It was great.

It seems Sony has learned a lot from their mistakes and they wont let the competition get the lead so easily again. Now that the PS4 will most likely be released before the next Xbox, Im positive Sony will lead next generation.

Muffins12234096d ago

why did you get disagrees D: what you said was true!

1upgamer994096d ago

I will bet that the ones who disagree with your comment did not have PS3 at launch, because you are correct. Those who disagree are more than likely owners of PS3 at least 6 months after launch.

Clarence4096d ago

Never had a problem with online. I was happy with my PS3 right of the box.

Qrphe4095d ago

I'd say lack of games was a bigger issue than online quality.

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miyamoto4096d ago

I hope Kaz get rid of the bureaucracy inside Sony for speedy implementation of his plans for PS4 and PS Vita.

first1NFANTRY4096d ago (Edited 4096d ago )

Yes Sony has learned their mistake and i hope the MEDIA has too. They where quick to rule out and call the ps3 a failure before it even got a chance to prove itself. Fast forward years later and it's quite evident the naysayers have all eaten a massive amount of crow.

It's funny how the MEDIA has changed their tone this time around and are ridding the hype train for the ps4 reveal. Guess they've come to realize just how important it is for the industry and their wallets for Sony to remain in the gaming industry.

As of right now i think most rational gamers would agree that sony are the only console makers giving the hardcore audience what they want, CORE GAMES!!!

saladthieves4096d ago

As of right now, they are giving me what I want (games) and they are delivering in so many variations of exclusives and genres.

The only problem I currently face (and probably others here as well) is every time one of their exclusive comes out (and they are many), I don't have the cash to keep up, AND still get to play other games (3rd party titles, etc). This has been eased with their awesome PS+ service.

Some herp people say having too many exclusives is not a good thing derp. I'd take many exclusives over less to no exclusives any day of any gaming generation, thank you very much.

insomnium24096d ago

I agree with everything you said except I don't think the media has learned anything.

They hype now for teh hits and once Sony reveals anything it will go straight back to doom no matter what they announce. The amount of hits is just too good to pass up on with doom Playstation/Sony-stories.

I would really like to be proven wrong about this but I won't be holding my breath over it. I saw how s*it went down with PS3.

Godmars2904096d ago

Should be "If Sony Has Learned From Their Mistakes." Thought really, beside failing with 3rd party support, advertising, they didn't do much wrong.

PopRocks3594096d ago

I would assume they would learn a thing or two after the PS3. Anyway, why is this article in the Wii U section?

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Brad Hilderbrand explains the reason behind the recent Xbox studio closures

There are two reasons why all those Bethesda studios closed, and neither of them have anything to do with Bethesda (directly)...

Game Pass and Activision.

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Christopher2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

The guy confirming what we've all (well, most of us) been saying since the latest purchase.

XiNatsuDragnel2h ago

I'm not surprised Microsoft guys are crock nuff said

isarai2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

Honestly i think Bethesda needs to buy themselves out of zenimax/MSs hands and do their own thing, i honestly think that would fix a lot of issues and save them from a potential closure.

Zeref2h ago

There's a reason they sold in the first place. And Bethesda is not closing anytime soon lol. As much as I hate the studio closures. They were all small studios 2 of them were mobile studios.

I think these are growing pains and Xbox will get back on track. But they're not getting any more passes.

jwillj2k433m ago(Edited 33m ago)

I’d like to see your reaction to being growing pained out of your job after the launch of a successful product.

Einhander19722h ago

Ah, we can see how the Microsoft media machine works.

Every article I read now is some kind of attempt to shift the blame off Microsoft and paint them as the victims or convince people that Microsoft mistakes were just some kind unforeseeable unfortunate twist of fate.

The shills are out in full force today.

Christopher1h ago

This is not at all what this article is saying. It's saying that honest and useful studios are getting closed because of big money deals elsewhere and the faults with game pass as a model.

Einhander19721h ago

I understand what the article is about.

It's a deflection, it's a putting the cart before the horse article.

Let me tell you how this problem wouldn't have existed in the first place.

Microsoft not creating a service funded by subsidization and having the foresight to see that it would disrupt consumer spending habit to begin with. Then not buying Bethesda and undertaking costs for a service that was already failing to pay for itself because their own expectations of Game Pass having "billions" of subscribers was unobtainable from the very start.

And if you don't think that was the case go back to the article on the day Game Pass launched and read the comments from people from day one who foresaw that this would be an unsustainable model and would cause people to stop spending in the same way.

Christopher1h ago

***Microsoft not creating a service funded by subsidization and having the foresight to see that it would disrupt consumer spending habit to begin with.***

This article literally supports this opinion. He's not praising Game Pass or the ABK purchase.

Einhander19721h ago(Edited 1h ago)

This is an explanation of why it failed, there is zero blame put onto Microsoft itself.

Yes, it talks about what went wrong, but it doesn't say Microsoft shouldn't have done it. It doesn't say Phil should have foreseen this outcome and stopped before it got to this point.

"convince people that Microsoft mistakes were just some kind unforeseeable unfortunate twist of fate"

Christopher54m ago(Edited 53m ago)

***but you're seeing the impact; all those smaller studios making really interesting games are going to fall away, simply because as good as games like Hi-Fi Rush are, they're never going to make enough money to make up that $70B hole that Xbox now has to dig itself out of.***

If you see that as support or you explicitly just want people to end their argument with "and, in conclusion, Microsoft bad" then that's on you. This article does not support Microsoft's choices and highlights the faults. Nothing it says is good about these choices, even saying that putting CoD on Game Pass would be money losing for them because they've set themselves up for failure (and not putting it on there will drop subscriber numbers like crazy, meaning their Game Pass plans were shit to begin with).

No matter how you look at it, they're saying Microsoft made decisions that hurt the bottom line, force closures, and leave Game Pass in a situation where they lose no matter what they do. It's all negative.

Einhander197247m ago

Christopher, if Microsoft hadn't made Game Pass and bought a bunch of publishers would this article even need to exist?

Christopher18m ago

***Christopher, if Microsoft hadn't made Game Pass and bought a bunch of publishers would this article even need to exist? ***

How is this an argument to anything being discussed? This is just as valuable of an argument as "if fish had stayed in deeper waters, they wouldn't have evolved to tetrapods, adapted to shallow water and then to land, and we wouldn't even exist and have to worry about game pass at all."

You're bringing nothing to this argument and then complaining that other people are highlighting the issues with Game Pass and spending tens of billions on studios because what we should be discussing is what it would be like if Microsoft hadn't done any of that.

Well, they did do it. Now pull up your big boy pants and join in on the discussion of what that has meant for the industry since then and, especially right now, how that is affecting the industry and game studios under Microsoft. None of us are able to go back in time and change what was done.

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MrDead33m ago

It's greed. MS has the IP's it wants now it's dumping the studios that it's raided, MS will still make money from Tango's games unlike the people that made them. If anyone follows MS outside of gaming you'll see this is what they do, buy companies take what they want consolidate some of the workforce and shut them down. I don't know why people are acting so surprised when this is Microsoft being Microsoft.

MS is a three trillion dollar company, if it enters a market it has no need to compete, they take what they want and with the financial influence it can bypass laws that are meant to protect the consumer and the workforce. Just look at how they are cornering the AI market right now with buyups and investments.

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Game Developers Have Begun Confirming Nintendo Switch 2 Support

Game developers have already started to confirm that they will support the Nintendo Switch 2 with their future titles.

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Microsoft Is Finally Ending Its Focus On Big Budget Gaming Nonsense

Back when the Xbox 360 launched, Microsoft pushed the big budget game as a differentiator. Following all the recent layoffs, it’s clear this strategy has run its course.

Einhander19723h ago(Edited 3h ago)

The Microsoft shill take on the Microsoft causing the death of big budget gaming...

The whole driving force for growth in gaming both technologically, creatively and financially was all nonsense, and it was definitely not because Microsoft ran the industry into the ground with obviously bad decisions and creating an unprofitable business model that massively disrupted consumer spending habits. /s

RpgSama2h ago

First, F**** Forbes and their shill take, I hope the money cleared by now.

Second, Which big budget games I might ask? Microsoft has been in a rut for like a decade now, with no big publisher and developers puechases they would have not released anything in the last 5 years but the new Halo and Forza.

Hofstaderman3h ago

Ah Forbes. One of the prominent MS mouthpieces....

Luc202h ago

Microsoft is finally... ahhh I've never heard this one before!

Petebloodyonion2h ago

LOL, this article is a big pile of dog crap...
Spencer has been constantly telling ppl that NO they would not go the route of having games like TLOU, Uncharted, etc because Playstation exists and prefers to focus on a diverse portfolio.

How many years have we seen Xbox as no game and we don't want small games like ORI, Pentiment, Grounded, etc.?

That's the real tragedy and why lots of gamers are mad at MS right now
because they have been championing smaller titles and yet fired the ppl delivering exactly what they were proning about.

So no the only nonsense is that MS seems now to be going BACK to AAA popular titles..sorry, I meant refocusing effort on core established IP where broken GAAS might be rewarded versus praised and rewarded work.

Einhander19722h ago(Edited 2h ago)

https://media1.tenor.com/m/...

You read an article cheerleading the end of big budget games and all the other articles about problems and this is what you have to say? That's what you think "the real tragedy" is?

I thought that xbox fans might finally "get it", but no, it seems they don't even understand what is happening and what is at stake.

crazyCoconuts2h ago

Hurray! No more big gam.... wait... what??

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