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The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray discs and new Kinect

Microsoft’s next console will require an Internet connection in order to function, ruling out a second-hand game market for the platform. A new iteration of Xbox Live will be an integral part of Microsoft’s next console, while improved Kinect hardware will also ship alongside the unit.

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dirigiblebill4116d ago

Really hope not. Broadband isn't universal yet, and taking away a customer's rights is a fine way to ensure they stop being a customer.

Irishguy954116d ago (Edited 4116d ago )

Not taking away rights.

You can sell your disk if you want(your right). The software will not work on multiple systems. Same thing that has been done on PC for...a long long time.

However I agree that it is BS

theBAWSE4116d ago

I don't believe it until its official as this would be a disastrous move by ms

Thrillhouse4116d ago

If it's true, it's still BS.

I can't even lend a copy of a game to a friend without them having to jump through hoops to play it, if they can at all?

Lame.

Bathyj4116d ago

And I was going to ask to borrow Bonestorm off you.

LackTrue4K4116d ago

Bone storm...? Lol, ok I see what you did there.
:)

AAACE54116d ago

This is waht ms and sony want to do. Both have been pushing for this! Which is another reason im not in a rush for the next gen.

We can bash nintendo all we want but at least they arent trying sh!t like this!

aCasualGamer4116d ago

Not only is it not universal, but imagine how often people get disconnected because their internet providers have screwed up. That would mean a shitload of angry gamers who can't play their offline games.

theBAWSE4116d ago (Edited 4116d ago )

if Sony do this aswell ps4 can suck eggs....ill buy a wii u and nothing else

Old McGroin4116d ago

"don't believe it until its official as this would be a disastrous move by ms "

Yup, I'll believe the solid facts when the solid facts are presented to me. If this is true then MS can kiss goodbye to my cash anyway.
They can't continue to sell online games at such extortionate prices and then also rule out the possibility of even selling their consoles in retail stores like Gamestop because they would be destroying Gamestop's second hand trade.
I'm already sick of having to pay to play online with Xbox games, if these rumours are true MS are gonna lose a hell of a lot of ground on Sony.

NewMonday4116d ago (Edited 4116d ago )

"Always online" this is so stupid it is hard to believe, insures the 720 fails and fails hard.

Another important bit is the one about coding, Edge reports developers say it is easier for them on the PS4, and Sony wants them to code closer to the metal while MS are strict with the libraries

HITANDRUN4116d ago

The more I think about it, the less I see it happening. MS has 75 M out of those 40m are online, if they were to go online only then they will loose 35m, thats a lot of people and from a business model makes no sense. Blocking used games its a high posibility cause 500 store will be close from gamestop, which also tells me that if no used game then no backward compatibility. Both Sony and ms are on my hot list, if they both block used games, then I guess i will go retro with wiiu, this really makes no sense to me. Executive cant be that dumb, I mean I know they loose money from used game, but they will loose more when people dont buy their consoles.

Funky_Homosapien4116d ago

how are you sure that the activation code doesn't bind to the console thus not allowing you to sell or lend it to your friend? or did i read it wrong please explain...

Funky_Homosapien4116d ago

i thought activation code binds to console thus not letting you sell or lend?

rainslacker4116d ago

Activation codes usually bind to account. Doesn't have to be that way as technology exist to digitally sign the physical disc, but account makes more sense.

xursz4116d ago (Edited 4116d ago )

I can see Microsft ditching xbox live gold and sticking with this always online nonsense.

Yi-Long4116d ago (Edited 4116d ago )

"Bye Bye Microsoft! It's been fun but we've grown apart."

Kurt Russell4116d ago

I've been a more XBOX swayed gamer for the last 2 Generations (not that I don't play and own the others mind you. I can put up with paying for LIVE and the stupid amounts of advertising on my dash board because I really do get a lot of use out of some of its exclusive features (cross game chat is on about 90% of the time I am on)... But I won't be investing in an online only content restricting closed off machine like this article proposes. Hopefully it's just BS rumour, but if it's true... see ya!

EVILDEAD3604116d ago

This is completely false anyways.

But it's fun to see the meltdown when these hilarious rumors get dropped.

Next gen will be completely the same as this one, with both MS and Sony fixing some of the issues that plagued them this gen.

The Used game market will continue, but digital distro will became more of the norm as movies already have.

Evil

Nevers4116d ago

I've had a couple auditions for Microsoft and several affiliates in the Seattle area lately where I've been given sides that have this language in it... "Always On, Always Connected".

I'm pretty sure this is going to be a reality... doesn't really excite me at all.

Red_Orange_Juice4116d ago

If lived in example in UK and could in theory buy 30-40 brand new games month then it isnt a big deal. Unfortunately I can afford only ~10 games where I live and used games are crusial the only alternative is PC piracy

pixelsword4116d ago (Edited 4116d ago )

Well XboX, if true, we had a nice run.

I'll Miss Cole and Marcus,

Cortana and Chief,

but I won't buy this if that's what's the future is like.

I don't want to be online all of the time for a single player game, that's just taking away bandwidth from other computers on my network, and I play on my downtime whilst my computers are downloading and stuff.

I really hope this isn't true.

fr0sty4116d ago

LOL:
CEO Kaz Hirai CEO Kaz Hirai ‏@KazHiraiCEO

It looks like Microsoft are stealing our ideas again. Our consoles haven't been able to play used XBOX games for years

sobekflakmonkey4115d ago

dont know why people disagreed with you, that's true, there has never been a case in PC gaming's history where you could sell an old game and have someone be able to use 100% of it, other than like...greenmangaming?

But yeah, I doubt microsoft is dumb enough to do that, and I reallllyyyyy doubt they are gonna make it so you have to have an internet connection to use the console, so don't worry Xbox fans, that can't possibly happen.

ThanatosDMC4115d ago

This is going to suck for Gamefly, if true.

AzaziL4115d ago

Just for the "can't borrow a game to a friend" reason alone is why I can't see this happening on consoles and if it did, it would be a career suicide to whoever decided it was a good idea.

Dee_914115d ago

I dont believe for one second that they would make a console that require internet connection.
im calling malarkey

Yi-Long4115d ago

"Just for the "can't borrow a game to a friend" reason alone is why I can't see this happening on consoles and if it did, it would be a career suicide to whoever decided it was a good idea."

Considering the amount of really poor/bad decisions Microsoft has been making these last 3-4 years, it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out to be true...

Gaming1014115d ago

By locking up the software, you're taking away people's rights to resell what they just bought. You didn't just buy a useless disc, you paid 60 bucks for a full experience, however you can only sell a useless disc. BS.

Definitely not buying the next xbox, this leaves Sony wide open with a huge opportunity to allow used games, that alone will be enough to sweep next gen.

gaffyh4115d ago

Not good, three quarters of this title are BAD. Only positive is Bluray discs and no more disc swapping.

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aceitman4116d ago

If true,I will not be getting it.

HammadTheBeast4116d ago

No one should get it, this is basically making yourself a slave to Microsoft. Any other company that does this is also not getting my sale, I'd rather just switch to PC.

sticky doja4116d ago

Maybe next console gen after the Xbox3/PS4 they can get away with requiring always online but they will be alienating WAY to many potential customers who

1) don't have broadband
2) don't have wifi or internet reaching every room where the console might be played

It will not happen but if it did I would also not be getting it out of principle.

abzdine4116d ago

get PS4 with PS+! Free online free games pure awesomeness!

hellvaguy4116d ago (Edited 4116d ago )

"No one should get it, this is basically making yourself a slave to Microsoft. Any other company that does this is also not getting my sale, I'd rather just switch to PC"

"Slaves" to the most popular method of purchasing games on the pc, thru Steam, say hi. Hehe so much for your PC rant.

But I see what you mean, at least you have a choice. I myself dont like all the clutter of dvd's and used game boxes all over the place is why I prefer digital downloads, but I get it's not for everyone.

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Saigon4116d ago (Edited 4116d ago )

Can someone explain what this means:

"Studios working with the next-gen Xbox are currently being forced to work with only approved development libraries, while Sony is encouraging coders to get closer to the metal of its box"

Just trying to understand what edge meant by this and its about time we get more information on the next XBox.

zebramocha4116d ago

@Saigon it sounds like Ms doesn't want third party to get the max out of the 720 because "close to the metal",if remember right is a program amd invented to extract max performance out of their processor.

rainslacker4116d ago

@zeb

Maybe. Close to Metal from AMD is a low level programming interface, and as such it could be one of the approved libraries that was mentioned in the article. It basically allows low level access to functions within the GPU through an API layer with less need to write complicated assembly code.

Close to the metal could also refer to Sony allowing developers to directly access the hardware on the system bypassing established libraries or API's, which in theory could improve performance in the hands of a skilled programmer. It's often referred to as assembly language, where a line of code corresponds to a single machine code instruction.

Bathyj4116d ago (Edited 4116d ago )

I think rainslacker is right.

I heard that phrase years ago in PS2 days and my impression was it meant not relying so much on the ready made libraries enabling potentially better performance. Close to the metal means programing more directly to the hardware.

At least thats what I thought at the time. My guess is that the AMD program was named after that phrase.

rainslacker4116d ago

Close to the metal predates the PS2 by a long time. In fact in the early days of micro processors quite a bit of programming was done in assembly. Close to Metal is just a way to describe what's going on with the code, or in AMD's case a trademark to describe their API.

With the PS2, Sony allowed quite a bit of low level functionality with the emotion engine. In fact the emotion engine was designed to be highly programmable to allow it to be used the way programmers needed to for a particular purpose. That kind of thing can really only be done with assembly, as the very nature of a high level API doesn't do that.

Athonline4116d ago

As a software developer I think it means MS is doing what they always do: Try to push their own SDKs/APIs over others and avoid using "universal" standards. They are doing this since around 2000. Most recent example? WebRTC. All companies agreed to use WebRTC as the standard protocol for P2P over a browser, expect MS.

I said it in the past: MS will try to push DirectX and thus make the games easily "ported" to Windows 8 store.

Sony is most likely to use OpenGl for PS4, which in reality allows games to be more easily ported to other platforms as OpenGl is a free, open standard, unlike DirectX which is a MS enforced one. Thus Sony from the sentence is most likely encouraging developers to "hack" the console, by allowing a low level access to hardware resources management. In example allow them to manually assign which blocks from an array to be loaded to specific parts of RAM or which thread each core should process...

nukeitall4116d ago (Edited 4116d ago )

I'm a programmer, so let me clear this lingo up.

When somebody says, "close to the metal" it actually means as close to binary language as possible which is the native language every part of your computer (or your console) speaks. It means it *CAN* be considerably more efficient, but has drawbacks such as hugely more tedious, more error prone and the efficiency is only tied to as good as the programmer is. If you are a poor programmer, then the result might be disastrous. It also means, it's harder to port, emulate or otherwise change as it is considerably harder to read the code.

By using libraries it is generally considerably easier to use, sometimes faster (because some smart dude making gazillion figure it out), and allows for far more flexibility.

If you do something weird close to the metal, you might find out on the next dash update your game doesn't work anymore. However, if you are good you will reap performance benefits. However, this might significantly screw up the potential to update the OS.

There is pro's and con's to each approach, but I would have thought Sony would have learned from MS to make it easy on the programmer. Generally, the performance gap is negligible at this stage and the one with the easiest to harness power from is usually the winner.

@rainslacker:

It doesn't need to be assembly, but is commonly assembly. Binary is the native language, but assembly is one step away from binary.

@Athonline:

Actually, this strategy is both what Sony and MS has been pursuing this entire generation. MS makes ready made libraries for almost anything. That is one of the big reasons Xbox 360 is perceived to be easier to program for.

While on the PS3, you do have to do a lot of the heavy lifting yourself, but has resulted in significant more resources poured into research to obtain those results.

rainslacker4115d ago

nuke is right as well. Although to your counter point I doubt any programmers for games are writing machine code directly, so it is often referred to as assembly because that is what is most often used.:) I'm not even sure that it would be possible to write machine code in that fashion for these machines, and there isn't much need to in the first place.

The PS2 did have a couple games that didn't work on newer iterations of the hardware, although I can't remember what they were specifically. I don't think they were big name titles. The heavy use of assembly may have been the reason why.

MS approach to programming in almost everything is to make it easier on the programmer. Visual studio is powerful in it's flexibility and overall simplicity, but it comes at a cost of leaner, sometimes more efficient code. I've found myself often writing my own libraries for simpler things because of the bloat associated with their C libraries.

The only IDE I've used for Sony is their PS Mobile Suite which had less bloat in the interface, but suffered from using Mono thus working on a application layer which added it back in. It was simple enough to use however. PS Mobile is a different beast than their console libraries though so I can't really speak to those.

Perhaps part of the reason the Cell was so hard to program for was lack of pre-defined libraries, but some of it was also due to the architecture of the chip itself. The cell, much like the Emotion Engine, was highly programmable. To take away that "close to metal" approach could have seriously hampered it's capabilities.

I do agree with you on the pros and cons of each side though. It really all comes down to what the developers need to achieve, and what they are targeting for release. Either way, nowadays with so much middle ware for making games it may not even be as important, but still nice to have I suppose.

subtenko4115d ago

Its random filler BS for a stupid article, nothing new LOL XD

nirwanda4115d ago

Because of thing like the move engines and the compression/decompression chips in the gpu if you don't program with this compression you would lose what these chip were designed to do.

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HITANDRUN4116d ago

If I cant change games on it and buddies not able to bring their games on 720 I wont buy a 720. Always online? I dont think thats the case, not everyone like to be connected, I hope MS is not stupid enough to do this cause it will be a disaster for them. Main reason I buy for consoles and not pc its cause I dont need to register the bs game and then only let you installed in 2 pcs with same IP. Well, will see what happens. To think I was going to go with 720 this time around, lol, well I guess ps4.

JeffGUNZ4116d ago

Easy, it's just a rumor and I highly doubt this to be true.

Jazz41084116d ago (Edited 4116d ago )

Its pretty obvious to me edge is trying to get ms to talk about there next gen console. No way this will be true as the infrastructure is not there and would cost ms business and ms does not operate that way. As far as close to the metal think 360. The cell was the furtherst thing from that. They both are using pc architecture which will allow more comparartive third party games this round.

neogeo4115d ago

This makes m miss the old 16bit days again

Max Power4116d ago

I bet you'd still have to pay yearly for live too.

morkendo234116d ago (Edited 4116d ago )

"NO SECOND HAND GAMES ONLINE CONNECTION ONLY"

WTF / is microsoft trying to control masse gamers with this only option leaving out physical disc disbrution?
if this their master plan i will end my gaming after sony stop supporting ps3 i like owning my games,touching my games.

Abdou234116d ago

Good Luck to anyone buying into this.

Good_Guy_Jamal4116d ago (Edited 4116d ago )

No second hand games? No offline? No buy. SONY, your move buddy.
That Wii U is looking mighty tasty round bout now.

Outside_ofthe_Box4116d ago (Edited 4116d ago )

I can't see this as being true. How does requiring internet connection in order to use Xbox benefit MS in anyway? I can't see them taking the risk on blocking used games either.

50GB Blu-Ray discs and Kinect 2 shipping with every Xbox seems plausible however. So this rumor is like half the info it contains mostly likely won't happen while the other half mostly likely will happen.

I just can't see MS demanding that all their consumers have internet connection in order to use their product. All they are really doing is limiting the amount of people that will buy it. Doesn't make sense to me.

akaakaaka4115d ago

how does charging to play online when other don't, seem logical to you?
ohh wait f$%# ..

dcbronco4116d ago

I hope that it's not true about being always connected. Unless they plan to provide some kind of access, that cuts out a lot of people that either don't have or don't want Internet. Not sure who they are, but I'm sure they exist. Plus that would mean no gaming during power outages or service problems. Not acceptable.

showtimefolks4116d ago

50GB bluray disk now that would be sweat

A new kinect is to be expected, but if MS talks about it for a long time during their conferences than show bunch of kinect games than I will not buy the system. Support your core gamers but MS sees the casual wii crowd and they see kinect games selling so as usual they will forget about us. I hope I am wrong but over the last 3 years ms have proved that they only care about selling kinect and going after casual

Always online will means no buy for a lot of people including myself

If MS execs are dumb enough to push no used games TNA. Bye bye MS it was nice seeing you In gaming

I don't think any company is so dumb to block used games and always online for this gen

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4116d ago

If they charge for multiplayer I am not getting it. Also this rumor won't help.

born2live4115d ago

Funny, we just had a similar conversation a few days ago - this is how big corporations are taking our consumer's rights away from us...

Crazyglues4116d ago (Edited 4116d ago )

Wow so I guess I'm only getting a PS4 next gen..

Was going to get both, but if this is true this sucks, I play a lot offline (single player campaign)... epic fail Microsoft.. you can keep your Next Xbox

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Theyellowflash304116d ago

You know the report also claims Sony will use NFC Tech to block used games right?

So are you going to ditch the PS4 as well?

Krew_924115d ago

@Theyellowflash30

I don't like either one, but if I were to pick I'd rather be able to play new games offline. Than to be forced to play online all the time.

ArmrdChaos4115d ago (Edited 4115d ago )

Sony actually filed a patent for a method to do this very thing. Enjoy playing your Wii-U next gen. Sounds like it might be a good time to build that new PC...or check out the steam box. I guess we will have to see this year.

imdaboss14116d ago (Edited 4116d ago )

I just dont understand why would people pay 50 dollars online when you can do it free for the PS3 and even PC..dont make no sense..if this turn out to be true Microsoft is just takin advantage of xbox fanboys

imdaboss14116d ago (Edited 4116d ago )

Dont bring up the Wii U its not even next gen..dont get me wrong it will have nice lookin games but no way it will be in the level of the PS4 or even the next xbox

MostJadedGamer4116d ago

Well that really suck no used games, AND requiring a always online internet connection.

Requiring a always online internet connection is really terible. If your having internet problems or Xbox Live is down you cann't even play a single player game. So you will be totally locked out of your own system.

What happens if I get disconnected when playing a single player(will I be able to pickup where I left off or will I have to restart from my last save point)?

Well the ball is in Sony's court now. If the PS4 doesn't require a always online internet connection the PS4 will be a automatic buy for me while I won't even consider the 720. M$ had better hope Sony goes the same route otherwise the PS4 will have a insurmountable advantage.

One good thing though is the 50GB BluRay discs. That is absolutely massive, and its nice to see them not get rid of disks, but this will only matter if the PS4 also requires always online internet connection. if not I won't even consider a 720. The ball is your court Sony.

Anyway I plan to stick with last gen as long as possible before moving on to either a PS4 or 720.

3-4-54116d ago

always online WON'T work....

If my internet screws up...I should still be able to play all 10 of my games that I payed $60 each for on my $450 xbox.

Does Charmin tell me how much toilet paper I can use after #2 ? I think not.

DarthJay4116d ago

I think that is the biggest problem I would have with it. I live in the third largest city in New England and have 30MBPS internet, but a storm rolls through, forget it. I'm losing internet. I have had DirecTV for five years and have lost service less in that entire five years then I have lost internet in the last six months. Hurricane Irene rolled through here and I didn't lose DirecTV ONCE. The second the wind started blowing, internet was gone for a week. I barely watch TV and the only thing that got me through that madness was the fact that I could still play Deus Ex: Human Revolution (it had just come out).

I really, really, really hope there is a way around it. I strongly prefer the Xbox product over the Playstation product and I have ever intention of owning both again, but I also have a $2300 PC with dual 24 inch monitors and a third port I can throw to my TV that I will switch to in a heart beat.

sak5004116d ago (Edited 4116d ago )

It's not as if MS lost money on Xbox360/live model that they want to squeeze last penny out of consumer and restrict their rights. They made billions on the current model and dont think they want to get shoot themselves in teh foot for being so much more greedy.

They already saw the backlash of gamers when it was rumored that PS will have no 2nd hand game protection so why want the want to screw it for themselves.

Probably some idiot wants to create negative feedback for MS's next console.

otherZinc4115d ago

EDGE lost a lot of credibility with this article. This is almost lol wrong. There is so little substance in this article its hilarious.

calis4115d ago

There is no way I could believe this is true.

Ignoring the use games, which seems to be more and more a reality these days for both Ps4/720, the online thing is severely limiting your userbase.

I just can't see it happening. It would be suicide.

princejb1344115d ago

I'm pretty sure if this is real than Microsoft us aiming only for the United States sales, since I believe almost everyone has Internet in the US

Theangrybogan4115d ago

Y'know what I like to do when my Internet is down? I like to play vidya games. If either ms or Sony do anything like this I just won't bother with either of them. If they take away the benefits of console gaming, I'll just make the permanent switch to steam and play with a controller on pc. IMO

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DEATHxTHExKIDx4116d ago

this means I cant play games offline anymore?

DeadlyFire4116d ago (Edited 4116d ago )

yup. Basically XBLive becomes Steam/Origin

DEATHxTHExKIDx4116d ago

ooo this kinda sounds like some BS now.

pr0digyZA4116d ago

except steam/origin has offline mode.

KontryBoy7064116d ago

you actually can play steam games offline though. There's an offline mode. At least Steam and Origin are free also. LOL

DeadlyFire4116d ago

Well its to early to know if PSN/XBL let games work offline, but if STEAM/Origin do its likely they will aim to allow it.

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USEYOURFIST4116d ago

no it means you will need to acivate it online then can play offline...not that thats any better, i sure hope both sony and Ms decide against this

torchic4116d ago (Edited 4116d ago )

oh now I see.

well in that case I could see it happening if Microsoft (and Sony if they decide on this) brought out an app/website where you could activate the game without physically doing it through the console.

not everybody has internet connected to their computers but I'm pretty sure most people who buy consoles have mobile internet on their phones.

I still don't see it happening though.

Bathyj4116d ago

Really?

The only thing I like about this is theyve finally grown out of DVD.

Good_Guy_Jamal4116d ago (Edited 4116d ago )

True, that is commendable, however, I hold no allegiance to nobody but my wallet!
I love my xbox 360 but Microsoft better not get it twisted, I will drop their behinds like a hot sack of potatoes if they go through with any of these things bar the blu ray discs.
Same goes for SONY

Dread4116d ago

Agreed completely.

If MS does this my money goes another way. Same goes to Sony. damn that means Ill have to get the WIIU

o the irony!

Its a rumor so I will not get too upset for now. But Gamestop stock just went down 10%...so a few shareholders must be furious with this rumor. ouch

TheLyonKing4116d ago

IF you go even 20 miles outside of any town/city in the u.k internet is slow at best this would be a poor move espcially in underdevloped countries too (interent wise of course)

vikingland14116d ago

Thats the same problem we have in the U.S.A.

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Microsoft's Absurd Antics Have Me Scared For Dishonored And Arkane Lyon's Future

With Arkane Austin no more and Lyon living for who knows how long, the superb Dishonored is in serious danger; Microsoft cannot be trusted.

Relientk771d 15h ago

I love the Dishonored series so much and really want Dishonored 3. Microsoft better not screw this up.

JEECE1d 12h ago

I mean, I think the fans will probably kill Arkane Lyon by cooking up reasons to hate whatever they do next without playing it. I've never seen a game so artificially disliked as Deathloop.

thesoftware7301d 11h ago

Lol, why don't we just say, we are worried about all studios owned by MS now. They will keep closing studios until they have none left ...🙄

Skuletor1d 8h ago

Just merge them all into a single studio, have it churn out a single Call of Duty every year and call it a day, lol.

Barlos1d 8h ago

Don't be scared, you'll be fine.

Skuletor1d 8h ago

It's exputer, fine is one word I would not associate with them.

Profchaos1d 8h ago

I think it's becoming clear based on matt bootys comments there's no future for any IP that can't sell above 10 million within the launch window. But is also a small game that gives them prestige

/S it's beyond a joke right now

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More Job Losses At Xbox, “There’s More To Come”: Paul Thurrott

Paul Thurrott in a recent episode commented on the on-going Microsoft fiasco hinting at more job losses and that "there's more to come".

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Sonic18813d ago (Edited 3d ago )

There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future . Xbox has to pay Microsoft back. It might take two decades to do that.

sagapo3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

I don’t understand what you’re saying. Xbox IS microsoft so there’s no “paying back “.
And MS gross profit in 2023 was over 140 billion dollars so forget your 2 decades.

Unless you mean the money MS invested in Xbox (acquisitions included) and the time it will take for xbox as a brand to gain that money back on it’s own, then yeah, that could take a while.

romulus233d ago

The better term to use might be return on investment, xbox is simply a division of Microsoft one that MS can easily do away with if profit margins are not met. So in that regard he's right, if xbox isn't showing the expected return on investment the higher ups are expecting than it's unlikely Microsoft will acquire any other studios any time soon, especially if they are spending billions buying developers just to shut them down in the end.

MrBaskerville2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Xbox is a division that they discussed shutting down but doubled down on after Gamepass was pitched.

It needs to make money at some point. Big money.

rokos2d ago

According to Statista the net income of Microsoft is about $72.4 billion dollars which is a bit lower than last year profit. That is almost as much as Activision's acquisition but I assume that would be a one off since it costs so much plus I see how their focus has been shifted to AI, thus any major future investments will probably be in that area.

Markusb332d ago

i think you are really missing the point

VariantAEC2d ago

@romulus23
That is not why MS buys studios. They might continue to buy because it's about taking that sweet sweet IP out of the corporate husks of their acquisitions.

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SonyStyled3d ago

“There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future”

No bro, there do be is for Microsoft not acquiring for what is now if not what it be is 😂

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ChasterMies3d ago

Xbox isn’t a separate company from Microsoft. It’s all Microsoft.

Abear212d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Let’s be real, this is the media spinning all the acquisitions and liquidations of said developers and spinning it to make M$ the villain.

This was bound to happen, a bigger slice of pie and cut costs, when the games come they stand to make more and that’s their agenda—it was the writing on the wall when the sales went through and legally all those who approved the sale and mergers knew this would happen.

Snowflakes need to realize business is ugly and you can cry all you want but this is how capitalism works. And it works.

That said, M$ needs to steer the narrative and grab hold of all this, make their plans known, hype the hell out of all those dead IP’s they plan to revive, and be honest about the timeline. This is likely to involve mobile and IP on other consoles, and most people realize that.

The problem is this company is incapable of being transparent and seems to often want to dissuade and confuse is customer base. The lack of E3 has hurt Microsoft and I don’t think they know how to properly or effectively market their brand anymore.

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jwillj2k43d ago

There really needs to be a class action lawsuit here. You buy these companies just to put people out of jobs. And it’s not like something happened to derail their plans this WAS the plan. Microsoft has no business in this space at all.

franwex3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Microsoft has been doing this for years. They simply want the IPs. Look at Nokia. Look at Skype. This time it simply expanded to games. Gaming is not as important to Microsoft’s executives as it was to the founders too. Bill Gates was willing to sell the og Xbox at a loss. Steve Balmer approved the red ring of death fiasco. This CEO isn’t really a gamer.

-Foxtrot3d ago

Maybe it's time though to put a stop to it and use a big giant like Microsoft as a huge example to the rest of these big companies.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere.

People like the FTC and the like went against Microsoft yet their Actvision deal was still allowed to go through yet look what's happened...it's not even Acitivisions studios aswell, it's Bethesdas.

VariantAEC2d ago

Years?

Try several decades, and in the gaming space 2.3 decades.

Jon615862d ago

You do realize this happens in ALL industries? Or are you just saying this because it is Microsoft? In any case I feel for those that are being let go but the trch industry is suffering right now.

jwillj2k42d ago (Edited 2d ago )

This absolutely does NOT happen all the time. Let me know the last time 1 company with a terrible product track record spent 100 billion onto acquire MULTIPLE successful companies in under a year only to shut them down and stop making their products regardless of how successful they were. Not merge them, completely shut them down.

And you can’t use Microsoft in your example.

Notellin2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Class action lawsuit? The law is on their side and protects them at all costs. There are no rules to protect the people at the bottom.

jwillj2k42d ago

Not true when it comes to mass layoff do your research.

RNTody3d ago

Ninja Theory, Perfect Dark, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Wolfenstein 3, Dishonored, Prey, Doom, Quake... something tells me that bad things are going to happen to these entities under Microsoft.

MrDead3d ago

ID software, the makers of Doom and Wolfenstein that have been with us since 1991 could be gone and MS will keep the IPs.

I hope some of these studios can buy their freedom from MS otherwise this is going to be even more devastating for the industry and gamers.

Yui_Suzumiya3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

That's exactly what I'm worried about. I've been a fan of id since Wolfenstein 3D and I'm honestly afraid.

lodossrage2d ago

Toys for Bob saw the writing on the wall and bought themselves out.

Wouldn't be the first time a company did that under MS either. Bungie and Twisted Pixel did the same. Considering what just happened, I can see some other devs trying to buy themselves out too.

anast3d ago

Good thing the bosses of all those small studios made their money.

glenn19793d ago

they cant do it right now they will get burned

XiNatsuDragnel3d ago

Phil and his team need to be gone

lodossrage2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Won't make a difference.

The whole structure needs to be overhauled. Anyone that replaces Phil will be no different than him, Mattrick, or anyone else.

Until the company changes how they go about business, nothing will change

glenn19792d ago

I just don't have any idea what they would do , they have done sooo much damage on their xbox brand, they have a show at July or June I think, but will it even matter even they show amazing games, idkn

lodossrage2d ago

True,

But they may as well get it over with. Whether it happens now or later, the burning is going to hit the same.

Reality is the ONE move that can alleviate a lot of this is the one move they can't make. Remove day 1 from gamepass.

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Microsoft Opening Xbox Mobile Game Store in July

The Xbox brand is expanding, as an Xbox mobile game store is opening this coming July where Microsoft will brings its "first-party portfolio."

Jin_Sakai5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

“Bond adds that they will start on the web”

This will go nowhere.

Nice knowing you Xbox. This is what happens when the house never gets cleaned.

MrDead5d ago

The only this MS is expanding is the amount of feculence it sprays on everyone who just want to enjoy gaming and make games.

The best thing MS can do for the gaming industry is leave and never return.

XiNatsuDragnel5d ago

Good luck with this even it might not succeed.

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