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Will you be Satisfied with 30 Frames per Second on the PS4 & Xbox 720?

By Furious Francis, editor in chief

A rumored leak of the PlayStation 4 dev kits lead many to believe Sony would be targeting 1080p 60 FPS in 3D gameplay for the PS4. However, in that same leak the supposed specs didn’t quite match up to that quality. While 1080p 60 FPS could still be possibility, more information has come from id Software Developer John Carmack saying that most games will still be at 30FPS next generation, “Unfortunately, I can pretty much guarantee that a lot of next-gen games will still target 30 fps.” If John Carmack says it, I believe him. Plus, he’s one of the few developers that actually made 60 FPS happen this generation with RAGE and Doom 3 BFG Edition. We want to know what the gamers want? 30 FPS with better graphics, or 60 FPS with lower quality graphics? Please put your comments below.

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wishingW3L4141d ago (Edited 4141d ago )

not on fighting games, hack & slash nor racing games but everything else fine....

Abash4141d ago (Edited 4141d ago )

30fps sometimes contributes to the cinematic feel of certain games, like I just cant imagine Uncharted 4 running in 60fps like I cant imagine a major blockbuster movie being shot with a news camera. So Im fine with those types of games staying 60fps

Ravenor4141d ago

Framerates in video games can't be equated to film/camera filming techniques. A game running at 60FPS doesn't differ visually from a game running at 30FPS. In motion one just looks smoother than the other, there is no stylistic or artistic difference between the two.

ABizzel14141d ago

It all depends on the final specs. and what the devs. want to do with their game. If a dev. wants Ultra settings on a game then it may very well be 1080p @ 30fps depending on the GPU. If Sony / MS demand mid settings then it may very 1080p @ 60fps for all games.

It also depends on the type of AA games use. 2xMSAA - 4xMSAA will drain fps, while FXAA will keep fps high.

I nor, you, nor Carmack truly know what to expect, because while there are rumored dev kits out there, nothing is final until launch day.

crxss4141d ago

30 fps would be acceptable for some genres. but they would have to tell us the reasoning behind it

deadpoole4141d ago (Edited 4141d ago )

If 30fps is what next gen going to offer then ... I believe there is no need for it because current gen is doing just fine in that department.

Next gen has to be 60fps in every genre be that racing/fighting/tps/fps/etc because it offers visual fluidity and immersion level ... which 30fps simply can't offer.

I'd rather play game with less filters/sfx/etc and consistent 60fps than everything turned on and only offering 25 - 30 fps.

Just wanna add ... I simply don't care about 3D ... it is something that came out too early without a proper solution.

Hydrolex4141d ago (Edited 4141d ago )

35 solid 1080p is a good spot

deadpoole4141d ago (Edited 4141d ago )

Nowdays, console industry is all over motion controls and what not. Can the next gen please make an attempt to offer the basic required feature which should've been there from beginning

.... HeadTracking (such as Track IR) ....

Playing BF3 in hardcore mode with no headtracking support literally ruins the gameplay experience. Same goes for Gran Turismo 5 ... :)

I've attached video for those who have very little to no information about HeadTracking, it'll show what headtracking is all about.

There are two videos ...
One is Embedded, others links Im putting over here.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Plagasx4141d ago

Well Uncharted 3 looks f-ing beautiful at 60fps...so...

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

bakasora4141d ago

If it stays at a steady 30fps, no dropping at all.

360ICE4141d ago

There is definitely both stylistic and artistic differences in choice of frame rate even in games. If anyone has seen the Hobbit in 48fps, it feels completely different. Almost like it's not a movie at all. So if you're aiming for a traditional movie feel, then 30 fps could be a specific choice.

But developers rarely choose to limit frame rate, if they can keep the game stable on higher frame rates.

RonRico4141d ago

More frames the better on video games.

AntBoogy904141d ago

@deadpoole

Well, when you think about it.. consoles have to be pushed. New and better hardware will only mean the same thing that happened this generation.. most games will probably be 30fps because the console has to be future-proof. It'd be pretty hard to keep a game running at 60fps when technology keeps advancing for PC gamers. 30fps games that look phenomenal on console is fine with me. As long as the graphics are good, i'm not too worried about framerate.. i'll worry about framerate with my PC games.

DragonKnight4141d ago

Wasn't RAGE one of the worst games of this gen? And people still believe what Carmack says?

y0haN4141d ago

Ravenor you need to play GTA Vice City on PC with the frame limit off, those early GTA games look so, so wrong at a high frame rate for some reason.

bozebo4141d ago (Edited 4141d ago )

30fps is good if the input is smooth and there is minimal delay. Due to multithreading, doubling the FPS halves the input delay - but for most console games, there isn't too much delay at 30fps. The real issues come when the machine can't keep the frame rate up, that jitter can totally ruin the experience. Not only that, but the rendering frame rate is usually independent from other 'frame rates' within a game engine. For example the logic in an RPG may be computed at 10fps, while the input sampled at 30fps, and the rendering done at 60fps - performance issues are most likely to cause a cut in rendering frame rate, because the GPU shaders are typically very heavily loaded (not to mention RAM). In fast-paced games, dips in performance ruin a lot of things - such as spray control in FPSs or steering/breaking in racing games, the simulation must be preserved. It isn't just what you see on screen that changes, your input has a different effect on the game due to performance. Heavily mathematical things like physics and AI are less likely to break due to irregular frame rates, though they can and do (usually due to slightly shoddy programming, not that it's easy).

It's not just about what it looks like on the display. In which case, 60fps is ALWAYS better than 30fps for games. It's not a film camera, no cinematographic effect is gained by using a lower frame rate. For games that people prefer to play above 60, like Counter Strike (rock solid 101fps is the best), it's due to how the game receives and deals with user input - nothing to do with the visuals.

RedSky4140d ago

With most opinions here coming from kid gamers who's mommy got them a *insert PS3 or 360 here* and don't know what 60 FPS looks like, I'm sure we'll get an impartial opinion.

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jujubee884141d ago

Everyone forgets about the music rhythm genre! >:O

That genre died (or at least was partially monopolized by "Guitar Hero") when the ps3/360 consoles and new (slow refresh rate) TV's came in. No fault of their own, but it was sad that the days of DDR came and went.

I hope the Sony Visor thing takes off, becomes around $100 bucks a pop and I also hope that technology gets a greater refresh rate than what TV's have now.

Also, if you think horror genre video games are scary now imagine playing them with the Sony Visor thing ...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

YOU WILL POOP YOUR PANTS CRYING, BRO!

showtimefolks4141d ago

Both ps3 and Next Xbox will be doing 60FPS. Seriously think about the logic. Ms and Sony are not gonna release new systems till what 2019-2020? So will 30FPS be ok by 2015-2016?

If anything either can learn ts to make console a little bit future proof, I know it's hard to do with a $400 price tag but maybe they can take a little loss on a system in return for bigger sales and make more down the road.

But maybe I am wrong and these systems will be able to o ly do 30fps

Some games need 60FPS and some are good with 30. Insomniac have gone to 30FPS for all their games in exchange for better performance overall. So a little give or take in some way

vallencer4141d ago

Not too sure where 2020 is coming from but ok.

WiigotU4141d ago

He's not saying the consoles aren't capable but more so the developers making games that run at that.

TopDudeMan4141d ago

Games are totally playable at 30FPS. When I'm on my pc, though, I tend to want at least 60fps because my monitor is 60Hz.

MoveTheGlow4141d ago

Okay, look. We old-school, faithful and hardcore gamers know how great something can be running at 60fps. Those wonderful people had a much more compelling argument against Ninja Theory taking over DmC than "Dante looks different." We know... but your average Joe doesn't. What companies will want is something that looks great in an advertisement, cutscene-like stuff to sell that game over another one. Unfortunately, 60fps isn't really a selling point for that crowd.

I want stuff running at 60 as much as possible, but let's face it - when it comes to the big guys analyzing what the average gamer wants, and delivering on that, they aren't going to care.

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Lior4141d ago

I just got a really good pc with a gtx 680 and I'm hitting over 70fps on ultra on bf3, I went back on ps3 and played bf3 and my head actually was hurting from how bad the game ran.

Reverent4141d ago (Edited 4141d ago )

Oh come now, I play BF3 on my PS3 all the time. It's perfectly fine. You PC gamers have such high standards (nothing wrong with that but still, lol).

dirthurts4141d ago

I have to agree on Lior on this one.
If you've been gaming at 60fps for a long long time (like myself) going back to 30 can and does induce a headache. It's almost like playing a slide show. It's not bad if you're used to it, but it takes some adapting.
Imagine watching a movie at 12fps instead of 24.
Same difference.

R6ex4141d ago

That's the same reason I got a GTX 670 PC too. I get nausea with the slow framerate of games like Gears of War and Half-Life etc.

tee_bag2424141d ago

Agreed, I started playing Borderlands 2 on PC at 60+fps then moved over to Xbox to play with some friends. It literally gave me a headache.
If console games aren't going to aim for 60fps next gen ill be very disappointed.

cyguration4141d ago

Not to keep beating the same drum, but it's the same for me as well.

After switching to PC gaming and playing games at 60+ FPS, it's literally headache inducing going back to the 30 (and during firefights, 25)fps or when things get really heavy the 15fps on console games.

Gears of War, Halo and Uncharted are some of the biggest culprits of barely maintaining 30fps and it's a serious strain on the eyes.

If next-gen consoles don't do 60fps I'll just stick with PC gaming because it's not worth getting a headache just to play an exclusive title.

Reverent4141d ago (Edited 4141d ago )

Well I can see I'm the minority then. I love gaming on my PC and everything too, but as it is more in the medium build range, I'm usually stuck around 30-40Fps when gaming on it so I guess I just haven't gotten used to it yet:/

(For the record, I agreed with all of you guys, I don't know who gave you all the one disagree. Just wanted to point that out lol.)

PurpHerbison4141d ago

After going on a PC binge, I tried to go back and play Dark Souls on PS3 and I was indeed getting a headache from the poor frame rate.

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cannon88004141d ago

This is something that we do not have power over. It's completely the developer's choice. But since we're talking about frame rates, we're obviously stepping into the graphics category more than the cpu. So it all depends on how much developers are willing to invest on their game engines and whether or not it takes great advantage of all the consoles' attributes. And if it does take advantage of it all, is it using each part to it's fullest and is it optimized? Optimization is the most important word a developer will ever hear because there's not a single developer,programmer out there that wants his/her game to run poorly on a certain console. Think of it as a v8 engine from the 1950's and a v8 from now.

tee_bag2424141d ago (Edited 4141d ago )

While I agree that optimization plays a large factor, decent hardware is still needed.
Lets use you're engine metaphore. Optimization is more so about tuning. If you were to tune a 1950's engine today it would likely perform better. But if you were to use better hardware you'd see much bigger gains.

cannon88004141d ago

I understand and yes better hardware is a given. Next gen consoles better have some decent hardware.

metroid324141d ago

Wiiu is said by Randy Pitchford to be able to do 60fps very easy indeed poor 720/ps3.

Lior4141d ago

Let him actually prove it. That guy is all talk.

dirthurts4140d ago

Easily achievable yes, but at what graphical costs/reductions?

ATi_Elite4141d ago (Edited 4141d ago )

1600p 60+ fps Ultra Graphic settings 4xSSAA 8xAF.....I can careless about 3D but with 3D on 45 to 60 does the trick!!!

So i would expect Next Gen consoles to achieve this but we have to remember that consoles have a WATTAGE cap unlike PC's that have 1000 watt PSU's and unlimited power!

So I would say scrap 3D, use FXAA and get as close to 60 fps @ 1080p with Ultra Graphics as you can. 60 fps is FRIGGIN Butter and makes a huge difference over 30 fps.

I have 3D and after a few minutes it's really not all that great plus I don't like playing with glasses on....I'm more impressed By Nvidia Physx than 3D. No word on that nice feature for Next Gen consoles especially seeing how AMD is doing the GPU's but I'm sure Devs have nice tricks up their sleeves!

Even with power efficient GPU's the wattage cap is still an issue but Devs will still find ways to get the most outta the Next Gen consoles plus they can pick and choose 30 or 60 fps depending on the game and maybe drop down to 720p to achieve 60fps if needed.

With No hard system facts we just have to wait and see!!

tee_bag2424141d ago

Spot on. The wattage cap is something people should look at to get an idea of the upcoming specs.
Based on previous consoles, I'm thinking its going to be around 200watt with a 7xxx series mobility based GPU (if we're lucky), which is already around 100w on its own. If we are really lucky it will be based on a high end 8xxxM series but I'm having my doubts if we're looking at a $399 launch price.

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4141d ago (Edited 4141d ago )

If consoles are weak PC will grow even more! Plus steam box(if upgrade-able) = perfect timing.

Consoles getting owned. Still want a ps4 next my pc though..

Eyeco4141d ago

I guess so, the sad reality is most console games this gen can barely handle 30 fps in basic HD, 60 fps in 1080p as a standard for consoles next gen seems like a huge hurdle to jump, so I honestly don't get why people would say that. So yes 30fps is dine so long as it's a standard thats maintained.

GraveLord4141d ago

Online multiplayer games need to be 60FPS as well. We need that responsiveness.

akaakaaka4141d ago (Edited 4141d ago )

4k will be 30fps most games
1080p 3d runs on 60fps
why is that hard to understand?

i will like he option t run the game in 1080p at 60fps or 4k at 30fps on consoles and that will let players deside what they want, ultra quality or 1080p at 60fps..

i will take 4k with stable min of 30fps (on heavy areas) any day if it helps for better visuals and etc
over low quality visuals running at 60fps..

tee_bag2424141d ago (Edited 4141d ago )

Sorry to be that guy but:

You asked "1080p 3d runs on 60fps
why is that hard to understand?"

because you dont understand something...read on

HDMI 1.4a which is on 99% of TV's has a limited bandwidth.
A HDMI port doesn't have bandwidth to do 1080p3D @ 60fps.
It can do 720p 3D @ 60 fps or 1080p3D @ 24 fps max.
You need Dual Mini Display Port out+in to get 1080p3D @ 60fps which TV's don't have.

So unless everyone who buys a console next gen also wants to buy a monitor with Dual Mini Display Port in or a TV with Dual Mini Display Port which doesn't yet exist. It aint gonna happen !

dirthurts4140d ago

Too bad 4k isn't going to happen for at least another console generation, if then.

ZoyosJD4140d ago

@tee bag,

it may require the adoption of a new standard but a single standard displayport cable has over twice the bandwith of hdmi. dont know why you keep mentioning the dual mini.

anyway if someone goes out of their way to support 4k or 3d at whatever price the display costs, using a new cable shouldnt be a problem and im sure the displays will support it when it is reasonable as most moniters with that resolution already do.

in a year 4k could be well within reason, in two we could see 4k at 60fps.

SilentNegotiator4141d ago

If it's a consistent 30fps, I'm fine with it.

Daves4141d ago

I agree to be honest, a rock solid 30fps and we should not be able to tell the difference.

Which is why 24 fps for movies is standard. Having said that, The Hobbit is one of the upcoming productions that will make use of the 48p frame rate. (wikipedia)

geddesmond4141d ago

Sony can bring us hardware that could handle 60fps but at the end of the day its all down to what the developers can make work and with Wii U, Xbox 720 and PS4 most 3rd party multiplat devs will make games to suit all 3 consols so if PS4 can handle it that wont happen if Xbox 720 and Wii U (depending on its support) can't handle it.

Anyway John C s a butthurt dev thats mad Rage ran at 60fps AND FLOPPED. He boasted so much about rage running ay 60 fps until it flopped and now hes questioning the whole 60fps crap.

PurpHerbison4141d ago

Nobody should accept 30 FPS next gen. Nobody.

bozebo4141d ago (Edited 4141d ago )

It's going to happen (marketing and business dictates this), there will probably be more 60fps games than this gen though. Most of the big titles will be 30fps and especially towards the end of the generation.

PurpHerbison4140d ago (Edited 4140d ago )

I just don't understand why anyone would want a gimped experience. It's time gamers get the performance they deserve... PC will be waiting.

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konnerbllb4141d ago

I won't be completely satisfied unless games run at 60 fps.

Blank4141d ago

I respect people that think they arent satisfied unless the games is 60 fps and I dont blame you i love that smoothness and extra tight response but sadly in this gen where we are having every game at 60 fps isnt possible unless optimization to achieve is an option we should b thankful they dont downscale the depths of the games we play having a longer gaming gen is both a gift and a curse with the gift is that we most gamers this late should or could be a tri console owner with a good portion being a dual console owner with the high odds of having both the ps3 and 360 we dont need a new console but the bad is that it lowers the chances of 60 fps games but at least we will see when next gen is hitting should E3 be a good indication where the industry is heading but for now lets enjoy the games 30 or 60 fos just be happuy that they either continue your favorite franchise in some respectable form or a brand trend setting IP! Just appreciate our hobby is growing!

yaz2884141d ago

until then I will always stick with the pc for multi games..

GreenRanger4141d ago

My toaster does 30 FPS, ffs.
1080p 60 FPS or GTFO.

Theyellowflash304141d ago (Edited 4141d ago )

You might be GTFO if Carmack is right. Good thing you can just get a PC if you want 60FPS

THC CELL4141d ago

News coming from a man who hyped up rage

QuantumWake4141d ago (Edited 4141d ago )

@THC CELL

Not just any "man". Carmack is the most well known programmer in the industry. I'd definitely take his word for it. Sure RAGE had its problems on consoles, but it doesn't take away what he has done in his career.

torchic4141d ago

I agree with THE CELL

Rage was nothing special, 60fps or not. if it were Crytek, Naughty Dog or even 4A developers saying this then yeah I'd take it more seriously.

Carmack is an industry veteran but his studio has not done anything special in years.

Blank4141d ago

@Thc Cell the man that hyped up rage or not you can not discredit his influence and contribution to gaming im not saying rage was a disappointment because people did enjoy it but it was not to what the majority expected from john carmack due to his influence and contribution to gaming oh well! Im still going to have an open mind since his mind is not to copy cod he wants his type of gameplay im awaiting his next game its john carmack plain and simple

@torchic

My comment to thc cell goes to you too but I want to add sure his dev team hasnt done any awesome games but in a technical perspective they are trying more than what most want between multiplat dev teams but since john carmack is at the helm im sure he will straighten things out just know this I personally am supporting carmack and his efforts in making the gaming industry go forward

SegataShanshiro4141d ago

Sorry but Carmack is history, last good game he made was in 1995 and that was quake...he knows nothing about new gens and rage proves that

HardCover4141d ago

LOL

Carmack actually works in the industry. Regardless of your opinion of his recent work, he's actually doing this sort of stuff for a living.

He has a better perspective than any random kid who simply knows how to put together a PC and install some mods.

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FanMan4141d ago

majority of games wont do 60fps

metroid324141d ago

Retro Studio's has a big WiiU game i bet that game looks better than any game before it even pc and it will be 60fps end of so will Beyonetta2 Ha. not to mention Moonlith soft's game

Qrphe4141d ago

We'll probably see 30fps again for the same reason that Toy Story 1, 2 and 3 took around the same amount of time to render even with the huge advancements of power in the computers they were produced on, developers will give priority to lighting, physics, draw distance, ect over framerate.

Ravenor4141d ago

One day people will realize that higher framerates aren't something that a hardware manufacturer can force upon developers.

Every game that runs at 60FPS on todays consoles cut something down (the things Qrphe listed.) to make that happen. Naughty Dog absolutely could have shot for 60FPS average in Uncharted, the games just wouldn't have looked half as good as it does with a 30FPS average. They chose to prioritize the lighting, physics and other technical wizardry over 60FPS.

Smashbro294141d ago

Unless it's an artistic choice, I only wanna see 60FPS.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv721d 1h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle11h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18819h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio8h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning774h ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga11h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff218310h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga9h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan5h ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

romulus234h ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv724h ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

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purple10114h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos13h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-3h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac13h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad12h ago(Edited 12h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple10112h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos11h ago(Edited 11h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic10h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead3h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers1d 10h ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos19h ago(Edited 19h ago)

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken21h ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g1d 6h ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing1d 6h ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H91d 6h ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola1d 2h ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn6691d 5h ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle1d 5h ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 21h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 19h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 16h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 9h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 11h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies1d 7h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 21h ago (Edited 1d 21h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 19h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic1d 5h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows901d 4h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

blacktiger1h ago

You own nothing snd be happy. I'm sure you heard that

Profchaos1d 21h ago (Edited 1d 21h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 20h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 20h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 17h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 19h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 18h ago (Edited 1d 18h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 19h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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