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Xbox 360 Three Red Lights hardware failures persist with Jasper Xbox 360; What is a consumer to do?

You may have heard there are more Xbox 360 retail units coming soon. Probably with it, you may also be hoping that Microsoft has finally figured out the Three Red Light failure, also known as Red Ring of Death (RROD). Don't count on it. If you thought the Xbox 360's problems were solved with the recent "Jasper" Xbox 360 unit (reduced power consumption 12.1 amp unit with 65nm CPU and 65nm GPU), they were not. Read on and see various RROD failures within the last week, including the recent "Jasper" Xbox 360.

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Megaton5392d ago

About to enter your 9th 360? When you're that much of a sucker, you don't have the right to complain anymore. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me 9 times, be gentle, and put it in slow.

rivithed5392d ago

I totally agree with you. I would label myself, and any consumer, as a sucker that would have to deal with this going into the 9th Xbox 360 system. Were it not for the reason that I try to keep up with all gaming platforms on the website, I would have been generous to stop using the Xbox 360 at RROD #5.

Megaton5392d ago

Well if it's business/website related, then you have an excuse. Any consumer going through more than a couple of these should be ashamed of themselves. You're just feeding the beast. (that goes for any and all companies who knowingly sell faulty products)

gintoki7775392d ago

i got a red ring 1 time and switched to ps3 I was lucky though because I bought a 360 when it was $400 so I had bestbuy's warranty went in gave in the 360 went to a shelf and walked out with a ps3

ultimatek15392d ago

this is ridiculus, i have read about 2 or 3 x360 deaths, that even i wonder why, cuz of the free warranty for RROD, but 8-9 death consoles, this article is totally fake written by a ps3 fanboy. I myself love MS, but to buy a system for a 2nd time and it fails me again, i would never buy it again even if its free.

ultimolu5392d ago

If you're going through a ninth console, then something is seriously wrong with you. If something breaks more than once, then it's your cue to stop getting it fixed.

Same goes for anything that breaks-not just a 360.

Winter47th5392d ago (Edited 5392d ago )

I don't exactly like anybody putting it in, but I had 5 Xbox 360s, yeah, go ahead and call BS and scroll down to the next post. But I'm a gamer, and the PS3 didn't have games that interested me till two years down the line, so the only next-gen system that was worth it at the time was the 360. But.my.god, it was THE most unreliable pieace'a **** console I ever had. everytime I turn it on I play KNOWING that any second now it'll flash me. not fun, AT.ALL.

Thank god the PS3 now have some steam going and I'm enjoying the hell out of it.

This'll sound untrue to some but there's a valid reason why I dislike the 360, not because I can't afford it since I have a PS3. Not because you have to pay for Live just to have their royal permission that you can play..well actually this's another reason. But because as a console quality itself. it's garbage.

And man. Don't even get me started on how many 360s RRODed on my friends.

Edit:
Well you know what. I'll get started:
3 Elites.
5 Premiums.
2 Arcades.
1 Falcon Elite currently malfunctioning.

2Spock5392d ago

Not only did this guy ride the short bus to school, but they went ahead and gave him the bus to ride it anywhere he needs to go.

I mean i understand he didnt have to pay anything until his 7th console but still. To much of a headache to put up with that many times.

I_am_rushin5392d ago

Simple.

DON'T BUY FAULTY PRODUCTS!

randomwiz5392d ago (Edited 5392d ago )

I'm on my second... first one rrod because I was just careless... still on my second one from 2007 because I really took care of it, and I also bought an intercooler which helps a lot.

To say your going to get your 9th 360, you must just be REALLY unlucky, or just an idiot.

Godmars2905392d ago (Edited 5392d ago )

Simple to say, hard to do when you've been paying $50 a year to build up your e-penis and awaiting for ODST.

MS knows you're hooked and treats you like the old time junkie you are. Why else are they charging $4 for a virtual shirt?

king dong35392d ago (Edited 5392d ago )

nothing better than an rrod or why pay for live thread for them to nash their teeth in.

i'm not saying rrod doesn't exist or is acceptable, just that this sh!t is old, and i have already seen a few sony loyalists in here already. it amazes me how much time they put into something they hate....whats even more amazing is the fact they hate a game console.

luckily, my nov2005 premium is still going strong, and my aug2007 elite is having it also(although after extended playing my elite starts to get noisier.

my ps3 on the other hand is as quiet as quiet can be, and in all the hours that i've spent on it, it has only locked twice causing me to have to switch it off at the back. but sonys hardware is reknowned for quality

Boody-Bandit5392d ago (Edited 5392d ago )

Obviously it's not old if it's still happening with their latest motherboard revision.

HammockGames5392d ago (Edited 5392d ago )

Great games. Dodgy hardware.

I love playing on it. But paranoid that every time I press the power button the wrong lights will come on.

I think most of us here are enlightened enough on the topic to know that buying a 360 is a calculated risk. Whether or not it's worth it to deal with the potential headaches that come with hardware failure is really in the eye of the beholder (translation: are the games worth it or not?).

El_Colombiano5392d ago

"Fool me once, shame on you, fool me 9 times, be gentle, and put it in slow"

Best. Quote. Ever!

indysurfn5392d ago (Edited 5392d ago )

This guy writing this "article" sounds like a fanboy with a keyboard. Come on 9 Times? Even the PS1 and PS2 where not that bad on breaking down. You lose credibility when you talk crap like that. I had 4 ps1 and 5 PS2 I guess that makes me a sucker, along with the majority of ps1 and ps2 owners. But at least we don't have to pay for a replacement with a xbox360, nor shipping cost.

Then he goes on to talk about them not changing a chipset that is not even OUT YET HELLO. Unless a fantoy is putting the machine in a cabinet with a space heater nine times is no possible. I still have my elite and it has NEVER fail or had any error with the abuse it has recieved including getting pulled over, and getting kicked.

Poopface the 2nd5392d ago (Edited 5392d ago )

and that she asks others with rrod to share their experience.

My 360 never had a problem and Ive left it on for over 10 hours with a game paused.

My old 360 that I sold to my friend got 1 red ring and he got it replaced(I told him it would break before I sold it to him especially if he kept it on the carpet like he did).

I got a 2 year warranty from BB and if it doesnt break within the 2 years, Ill break it myself to get a new one.

I wouldt keep going if I had that many, but maybe im just special, as ive never had any break on me.

EDIT-- ahhaahhaahha. If you dont believe me that ive never gotten RRoD then I dont believe you ever had a 360 unless you people put your GT in your profile. YEAH thats what I thought.

njr5392d ago

At this point they should just redesign the console instead of having all these code names for 360's that are supposed to fix the RROD, but don't.

Sibs5392d ago

Indy, just because you are lucky doesn't mean everybody is. Plus, why would he lie? He himself said he was a 360 fanboy for a time.

shovelbum5392d ago

Seriously? If anyone is on their ninth 360 then they are truly ignorant to the electronic world. Is he wrapping it in a parka and placing it in an oven during his gaming sessions? I have no doubt that RROD exists but I still have a launch version that works fine as well as an elite from a couple years back. I keep the elite on its side inside a cabinet (open face) with two 4" computer fans drawing air from the front. No issues whatsoever (I do the same for my Denon 2310) and I play some long gaming sessions on occasion. You sometimes need to be smarter than the piece of equipment you are using.

Information Minister5392d ago (Edited 5392d ago )

Are you serious? None of Sony's systems ever had a 30% failure rate.

I had a PS1 for 6 years before I gave it away. Last time I heard it was still going strong. My 7 year old PS2 worked fine just this morning when I turned it on for another session of Persona 4. And I don't have to pray to the game gods everytime I press the power button on my launch 60gb PS3.

BTW why would you kick your 360? Was it Ikaruga?

chaosatom5392d ago

It's time to switch to a PS3 after someone goes through their 9th xbox.

leila015392d ago

So... this is where the Playstation fanboys hang out... Nice.

talltony5392d ago

So much for the rrod proof jasper chips. Their is no escaping the inevitable rrod unless you just say F it and get a ps3 of course.

IdleLeeSiuLung5392d ago

That's funny, cause I have two Falcon's with heavy use and no problems. I have a friend that suffered RROD on a launch 360 a year ago, and bought a new one after selling the fixed one. He then later got disc read errors.

Another guy I know, bought a 360 and got the RROD as well, but this were all older machines.....

JokesOnYou5392d ago

I like how people can say "well its NOT fixed because its still happening"...yeah that makes a lot sense, I guess then we should expect none will break after the Jasper models= NO...where's the links of 360 forums filled with complaints like before? What did they all over a sudden all just not care anymore?....pa pa please, anybody can write a blog with qoutes from 5 people about hardware failures and say that nothing has been done..we know ps3 is reliable and yet there are tons of reports with a few gamers saying there ps3 went ylod...its just easier to make it seem like the problem is still widespread because of 360's history. I have tons of friends and read lots about 360 hardware news and I haven't come across anything to suggest the failure rate is anywhere near what we saw up to 1 yr after launch....if I'm wrong I'd really like to see links.

JOY

jack_burt0n5392d ago

that is the cold harsh truth, imagine a gfx card with a failure rate like this, it would be taken off the market within a week. Yet after years they haven't fixed it that is NUTS.

Vip3r5392d ago

"Fool me once, shame on you, fool me 9 times, be gentle, and put it in slow. "

I lol so much at that.

+Bubbles.

50CALheadshot5392d ago

only blind fools would support crap hardware like this. Im surprised the failing units have not started housefires.

my ps3 has been on for 24 hours at one point with movies and games......no problems.

hell ive gamed for 4 hours, left and returned to see people still using the ps3 in my crib. AND you know what? I have never had a problem with it, or felt fear from turning it on.

Game13a13y5392d ago

so what if he's not really on his 9th? so you mean to tell me it is okay to be on his 5th then? any high tech electronics that break more than twice are pretty unacceptable already, let alone its coming from the richest company on earth, which they should have all the resources and specialties to make their product well you know, not break?

fishd5392d ago

you think 9 rroded 360 is too many?Then check this out:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

The guy is on his 12th!!!! 360.

Check post #5 and #45,with factual evidence and everything!

Traveler5392d ago

I'm a big fan of the PS3 and it is my favorite console, but this isn't fair. You can't use a few anecdotal reports to claim that there is still a widespread problem with the newer 360 chipsets. I've heard far fewer reports since the new chipsets have come out and all the people I know who have purchased one have not had any problems yet.

I had the RROD with my 360 early on and I know how maddening it can be. It was also part of the reason that I came to like the PS3 better. All I am saying is let's be fair. This analysis wasn't fair.

kunit22c5392d ago

Nine 360's... I would have gave up after either the first or second, I would just find this unacceptable, your console shouldn't break down because you play it! Thats just ridiculous! Microsoft should be REQUIRED to not sell anymore 360's until this problem is permanently fixed! I cant even believe people are still buying the 360. Right when RROD was found out they should have had a recall and should have fixed the problem, but noooo then Microsoft would loose some money and we just CANT have that. Also Microsoft has you pay for online for this faulty hardware! Microsoft is just trying to suck all the money out of your pockets arn't they? Also with what that guy said up there^ 4$ for a virtual T-Shirt! Just wow... Microsoft needs to get their act together and stop being so retarded!

Raz5392d ago

If my PS3 failed on me more than twice, (still playing the launch 60g, btw) I would say "screw this crap" and go buy a Wii or PC.

I mean, f@ck brand loyalty. For my hard earned $, I want something that works.

Contrast that with people who are on their 5th console and still vehemently support it. It's like a battered wife who says "it's ok, we're in love" and keeps coming back for more abuse.

Sad. Really sad.

cmrbe5392d ago

but the truth is i know seven people with x360 and all but 1 had at least 1 RROD with 9 people with PS3 and just 1 Blu-ray read failure.

The fact that most of you x360 fans have experience or know someone that has experienced one is just even more proof that this problem is huge and still happening.

For those that are bring up the PS2 don't be stupid. We all know the PS2 hardware problem was not nearly as bad as this RROD and it definitely didn't last for nearly 4 years and counting.

I have no idea why some of you are still defending this. Its beyond ridiculous now and MS should really have fixed this by now. The x360 hardware is the biggest joke in history.

Chimerhazzard5392d ago (Edited 5392d ago )

I can't believe how people continue to buy these things. There sure are a lot of folks with a lot patience, money, and dumbness. When I make a purchase, I want to get the most out of my money. Sure I could waste 299$ on a console that still uses DVD, has a 33% chance of RROD, has pay-to-play online, has pay-to-have wifi and only has 3 really good exclusives (Halo 3, Fable 2 and Gears2). Fortunatly I am not dumb enough to buy a console based on advertising alone, so I prefered to invest more 100 bucks and get myself a PS3, and I am happy with it so far. Great exclusives, awesome features (I love being able to use any plug-and-play USB controller I want), works great, free online, free wi-fi, blu-ray player. It puzzles me how the Xbox360 got so far... I guess it's due to all the advertising and the poor PS3 launch.

morganfell5392d ago

Since the 360 is so ultra reliable it remains a mystery why MS publically announced and threw away 1 billion dollars for warranty service on a non existent problem.

Not 1 million, (cue Dr Evil imitation) but rather 1 billion dollars.

NewZealander5392d ago

it also comes down to how you look after the console, personally ive never had the red ring, not naturally at least, i forced my launch console to overheat so i could get updated parts.

i own two 360's and have had no real problems, but i keep the console clear from other devices and it has room to breath.

my friend got a 360 last week and hes got it behind glass in a small space with a HDTV decoder sitting on top of it, i tried to tell him hes going to kill it but he didnt listen, so im ready with the "i told you so)'s.

that kind of punishment would eventually kill any device, the PS3 having a curved top was a smart move, stops all the idiots that think consoles should be a stacking system like my friend.

morganfell5392d ago

^^^^I completely disagree. And so will a great many other people. I have always, ALWAYS had my 360's in a well ventilated location and the RROD persists. Are there people that have blocked them into a hole. Yes. But plenty of people have done everything but strap their 360 to an aircraft propeller and RROD still comes calling.

Headshot815392d ago

This is coming from the heart to all 360 owners. Which ever xbox your on(1,2nd,3rd...or which ever) if it breaks down on you one more time, tell MS TO GO F@CK THEMSELFS, send it in one last time and get a working one back. Sell to a stranger or trade it for money , use the cash to buy another gamming system (wii,pc,ps3). Even Ps3 is having a price drop, trade that sh!t in before the new 360 drops price aswell, that way you get the most out of your hardware/software. It has nearly the same games, but the ps3 works! DON'T KEEP BUYING XBOX SH!T SINCE THEY HAVEN'T FIXED THE DAMN THING!. I dont mean to disrespect anyone who has a 360, but that sh!!! just happened to my friend and that isn't cool,god bless him,he saved up for months, and during a recession, to waste on 300dollar hardware w/ constant errors ! it just pisses me off to see a company take advantage of comsumers, let alone someone that i consider family!, GO F@CK YOURSELF MS!

jke825391d ago

its just a big conspiracy by Microsoft you know put out short term shoddy hardware then when the next console cycle ramps up everyone will be chomping at the bit for a new xbox since most of the fanbase xboxes are burning up and malfunctioning like mad and then BOOM instant sales gains........seems to work wonders for their windows department why not apply it to the gaming division..........

Messina II5391d ago

letting M$ buttrape me after my third unit. Makes me wonder; is it inbreeding that causes the retardation that makes a person continue to support a company that does not care about their own products? Or maybe it's drugs.

pixelsword5391d ago (Edited 5391d ago )

... (joking).

pain777pas5391d ago

AMEN, to the first comment. That is the primary reason why I jumped off the 360 bandwagon and I will only invest or turn on the thing when ME2 comes out.

edgeofblade5390d ago (Edited 5390d ago )

Xbox breaks. Microsoft fixes it. FOR FREE.

Seriously. How ungrateful do you have to be to reject a FREE repair on principle?

Now, if Microsoft STOPS fixing my 360 for free, I'll be livid.

And sure... you can say Microsoft "threw away" $1 billion on a warranty... or you can guess how much Microsoft would lose on a class-action suit. Potentially much more. Either way, MS took measures to deal with the current problem, but I still don't think it's right how it hasn't been fixed in subsequent models.

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ape0075392d ago (Edited 5392d ago )

that's a big problem in the 360,that could easly make for a stronger ps3 install base,u know that every ps3 sold have 0.1% chance to get broken

and.......I FKN HATE E74

HammockGames5392d ago

... how many people are caught in the cycle of getting refurbished 360's that have already had the RRoD and therefore are more prone to getting it again? Microsoft probably has a considerable stockpile of old systems still sitting around that they simply keep repairing and sending back out (only to return again). So I could see how it would be a very hard cycle to break out of once you're in it.

Definitely would suck, especially since all that gamers really want to do is play the games they paid good money for.

Nelson M5392d ago

Has had 8 RRoD's
Hell that more RRoD's than the 3Shitsty has Exclusive's
You BoTs are a Gullible Breed

Chubear5392d ago

EXCLUSIVE to the beta-box-please-fix-me.

air15392d ago (Edited 5392d ago )

says the guy that payed to fix 4 ps2's and still got a ps3 at launch..

Anon19745392d ago

I love my Xbox 360, and it's great the Microsoft extended the warranty but I would have rather they fixed the problem. What's the point of buying the bulk of your library on a system you can't rely on. I still play my 360 occassionally, but I mainly game on one of my PS3's now simply because I know I can rely on them.

It's certainly nothing against the 360's games. It's got plenty of must play titles for me, but the game can be the best game in the world and it won't matter if your system won't play it.

Winter47th5392d ago

You get what you pay for *rolleyes*

JonnyBadfinger5392d ago

Ill stick by the 360 to the bitter end

mines yet to break, and Ive had it since launch. Is time against me...... maybe but as of right now i dont care.

And Nelson M has kinda really steered me away from a purchase of the PS3, his childish reasonings and comments show me what the PSN and Home would be like, and i feel sorry for every other PS3 owner who agree with you and must talk to you on a daily basis.

and Nelson M has testicular cancer in the throat............ Thats right i can be childish too

Nelson M5392d ago

Go Hump Somebody else's Leg Mutt Face
You Bought an Xbox
Your Gonna get RRoD
You've No Games to play this year
Your the one who is Frustrated and it Shows
Thy Silly Little BoT

saimcheeda5392d ago (Edited 5392d ago )

stupid bot uses the same insult everytime!:P

saimcheeda5392d ago

f@ggybotfinger may be more suitable! :P

JasonPC360PS3Wii5392d ago

And the PS3 is still losing the console war, still losing money, still losing exclusives, still losing to Live, still losing multiplats and PS3 owners are still not buying games.

Funny how the RROD console is killing the PS3, reminds me of the PS2 disc read error and it still won the war. Poor droids, one AAA game all year, nothing to play and still in 3rd/last.

AngryTypingGuy5392d ago

Let's wait until more than one of the "Jasper" units fail before saying it has a problem. No electronic device gets a 100% success rate, including the PS3. PS2s weren't exactly the most reliable machine either. Maybe the number 2 is a curse for both MS and Sony. They have both had hardware problems with their second console.

likedamaster5392d ago

lol. Nelson, you silly, silly droid.

-MD-5392d ago

I'm still using a launch console.

Haven't even tried a falcon or jasper yet.

saimcheeda5391d ago

its because of the lower price!...and the disc read error was nothing in front of the RROD...and try to say something other than droids allt he time idiot

Gue15391d ago (Edited 5391d ago )

Then you're one of the few @Murderfail...

Upbeat5381d ago

its a pitty really that there is only one solution for the RROD, and u all know what that is :D

A Playstation 3

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Cajun Chicken5392d ago (Edited 5392d ago )

Seriously. You should have the maximum of TWO broken consoles, not that many, I wouldn't persist that much. How long do these people play on them for crying out loud?

I had two Playstations (lazer replaced in old one, counts as two to me), My PS2 still works, Two Dreamcasts, My XBOX is nearly dead (has problems reading drives) and the 360 and PS3 are fine so far. Knock on wood.

rivithed5392d ago

My playing time before 8th Xbox 360 died was 2 minutes after being off all day. Believe it or not, playing time is not relative to the Xbox 360's RROD. Most of the ones that died were played less that 1/2 hour before breaking. It's extremely frustrating and I'm hoping to share this story to spread awareness on the problem. As a consumer, I would have quit supporting the platform. Because I try to keep balanced coverage on the website, I try to keep a working Xbox 360 around to keep up with the games and releases on the platform. Where there are multi-platform games, I'm going with the PS3 just because it is more reliable hardware for me. I just hope gamers that are looking for a fun time with a gaming system don't feed into the Xbox 360 failures.

morganfell5392d ago (Edited 5392d ago )

I understand exactly with what you are dealing. I had a launch 360 Pro that died in month 14. Sent it back, got a replacement...way too long in returning.

Dead right out of the box.

Sent it back, got a refurb and a few months of play and it died. Then traded that in for a HALO edition that came new with a play and charge kit. A play and charge kit that was dead right out of the box.

I had that 360 for just over a year and it died.

That's it. If this one goes, forget it. A third of all the Live titles and DLC I purchased still do not work due to DRM issues. The tool didn't fix everything. The tool itself was so late in being provided by MS that the Live titles no longer had a multiplayer audience so that money was pissed away too.

All together I lost 3 months of Live time and MS reimbursed me for 1 month.

Johnny Rotten5392d ago (Edited 5392d ago )

I'm on my 4th and soon to be 5th(the screen turns purple and freezes) and I still don't have one with an HDMI cable... Surprisingly though I've never had the RROD, I had two disk drives crap out on me and my launch system died a month after buying it because the graphics card fried. All were covered by the extended warranty btw.

On a side note I'm still sporting the original 60 gb PS3 almost 2 years after it's warranty expired!

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MSI releases new RTX 4060 Ti bundle that fans of Monster Hunter will love

MSI celebrates the 20th anniversary of Monster Hunter with this unique bundle that features a matching RTX 4060 Ti and game controller.

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Why Xbox believes it must cut costs and close studios

Companies, particularly public companies like Microsoft, need to grow.

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gold_drake14h ago

i mean its pretty simple, they spent close to 30 billion in acquiring activision, they thought they'd make it bk no problem, and that didnt happen.

its just shit that because of MS's miscalculation alot of people lost their jobs.

Jingsing11h ago

This is exactly what many people said would happen including the CMA and FTC. Lies lies and more lies and they allowed a $69 billion buy out to happen.

gold_drake11h ago

oh yeh it was 70 billion. that was my bad haha even worse.

thesoftware73011h ago(Edited 11h ago)

gold,

You can't be serious, right?

Do you think that MS thought they would make 80bill in a year & Half? They haven't even released titles under MS yet, lol.

But in fact, that A/B revenue is already paying off, look at the last earnings call. That $80 billion is long-term money, my guy, no sane person/company would think they would make that back in any short-term situation, it's a long-term investment.

Let's play silly then. If MS's reason for laying off staff and closing studios was due(which it really was not) to the A/B deal, tell me what Sony's reason was for past studio closures, the recent 900-person layoffs, closing Sony London, shutting down Dreams, and closing Japan Studio? Zipper? Psygnosis? cuts at all their internal studios.

Keep in mind, you are claiming MS's reason is because of the A/B deal; please explain Sony's reason.

Hofstaderman11h ago

You actually still defending them? Sheesh.....

gold_drake11h ago

this is not a sony vs MS debate. dont make it something it isnt.

and of course not, but im pretty sure they thought they'd make more money after the deal. they didnt, and closed off some studios.

its pretty insane to think there is any other reason for the closure of studios in this case.

romulus2310h ago(Edited 10h ago)

(It really was) due to the Activision Blizzard deal and the loss of physical sales due to gamepass. You keep bringing up Sony in all your posts about this, stop deflecting and trying to change the topic, this is about MS and what they are doing.

BehindTheRows10h ago

Has nothing to do with Sony. Stay on topic.

notachance10h ago

once in a while you see someone too invested in their make-believe console war that everything happened has to be connected to said war…

a bit of banter between fans is normal, this crusade you’re doing now isn’t.

Chevalier9h ago

Wow idiotic. You bring up very old closures not that there haven't been recent ones from Playstations, but, seriously stop deflecting. This has NOTHING to do with Playstation.

Does Playstation got $3 trillion behind them and daddies wallet? No they don't so stop making a fool of yourself.

Xbox has never been profitable really and they just keep losing money so between their worst hardware sales, terrible 3rd party sales and now terrible 1st party sales.

Gamepass numbers that are no longer being announced shows their numbers after 3 years of missed targets has flatlined. Plus their recent gains up to 34 million were ONLY because they folded Gold members in too. Absolutely take your idiotic rhetoric out of here. Keep on topic without deflecting.

S2Killinit9h ago

Ayayayay with these xbox/MS excuses.

Reaper22_4h ago

How dare you mention Sony! Everyone here knows when Sony closes a studio and lay off workers it was the right thing to do. Even when they bought Gaikai and fired almost everyone it was the right thing to do.

Gamers can be such hypocrites sometimes.

andy853h ago

Is it? That's revenue not profit. Completely different.

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thesoftware7308h ago(Edited 8h ago)

Drake,

"this is not a sony vs MS debate. dont make it something it isnt."

You are correct that it's not an MS Vs Sony Topic, but when exaggeration and imagination mix from a one-sided social group, similar examples are needed to ground radical thoughts; in this instance, the example was that shutting down 3,4,5, even 6 studios during a restructure/ buyout/acquisition is not some anomaly(it can suck) that has to be dissected or spell doom and gloom.

"But I'm pretty sure they thought they'd make more money after the deal. They didn't, and they closed off some studios."

But they did make more money, a lot, actually; the last earnings call showed a huge growth in profit, almost all due to A/B revenue.

"its pretty insane to think there is any other reason for the closure of studios in this case."

The fact that they did make money, kinda throws this out the window, and besides, you don't wake up and say, hey let's close a studio, you look at the output, you look at the dev as a whole, the long term and short term, you weigh it against all other studios and goals, you keep key members, ect..then you close if they are the weakest links...which by MS analysis they were.

Again, I will make a small Sony comparison, just so some of you can understand and see past the bias; Insomniac, ND, and Bungie have made some of the best games ever created, yet Sony saw fit to cut jobs in every of these studios, even tho Insomniac & ND are the biggest producers of PS games, leagues ahead better than Tango and Arkane, yet, they saw cuts, mind you, while being the TOP produces of PS first party. They were told to cut costs, and more jobs may be on the line, and Bungie is being threatened by a hostile Sony takeover. Put that in perspective, as I know that layoffs and dev closures are different, but if the best of the best is getting cut off, it is less than surprising, that lesser studios are closing.

@Cheva,
My response fits well with your comments as well. You even went on to prove that the dev closures are not just due to A/B acquisition. Then you point out Sony has less money than MS, inferring that MS should keep devs open that they see as lesser earners, while Sony having less money makes it okay to close them. lol...it doesn't work that way.

gold_drake8h ago

im not reading all of that. u have ur opinion, i have mine.

thats rly it.

but this aint sony vs ms.

ApocalypseShadow7h ago

You're trying to compare a 100 billion company to a company that has 3 TRILLION worth. SIE has to live or die on their own. And in turn, PlayStation has helped the main company again and again. Sony has to balance out what is working and not working in the company.

While Xbox has Daddy Warbucks footing the bill to keep the platform afloat. They have been bleeding money from Nvidia hardware in the OG Xbox, the RROD fiasco, the attempted 2013 DRM nonsense and the lies about being the most powerful console in the world and the losses of paying out millions to prop up a service hoping it catches on with enough subscribers to justify its existence.

They're not comparable if Xbox isn't allowed to live or die by its actions. It's subsidized. Revenue isn't profit. And if they were profiting on their own, they wouldn't be closing developers. If they were profiting, they wouldn't need Daddy Warbucks spending 80 to 100 billion buying up 3rd party publishers to sustain a loss leading platform.

They stopped announcing game sales, stopped announcing hardware sales, stopped announcing game pass subscribers, they are putting games on their competitors platforms but you're telling us that they are doing great even after killing jobs and closing developers at Xbox.

Stop drinking the Kool aid. You're drunk.

WelkinCole3h ago

I am pretty sure MS knew this would happen and this was part of their plan. I mean if anyone with half a brain can see this happening I am pretty sure a multi billion company like MS knew this would happen

The whole strategy in buying Beth and Acti/Blizzard is for

1. Buy established games they can have under xbox because they have done a horrible job in building their portfolio internally for the past 15 years

2. Following from 1, try and boost xbox competitivenss against a dominat PS which MS after 3 tries still can't crack

3. Follolwing from 2, try and weaken Playstation dominance by taking out these massive multiplats from the PS

4. Following from 3, try and profit off from the PS domiance with selected games they will still have on the PS to make money like COD

5. Obviously get the IP's by buying them instead of creating them which again as I mentioned in number 1 they have been woeful in doing

None of these had anyting to do with keeping all the devs they accuried. MS has always been very shitty to Devs under them. Look at what happned to Bungie for example.

I believe MS in court truely mean it when they said they had to do something because PS was just too dominant. This was their last roll of the dice.

And from the looks of things. It has not panned out as MS had hoped. PS5 is still as dominant as ever and xbox is still behind. Worse still their MP's they got is not irreplaceable as they thought. Starfield? lol!. There have not been any major shift in momentum in this console war in their favor so now its time to start cutting their loses and it starts with the most expensive cost for any company. People.

Michiel19891h ago

for a comparison, sony laid of a bigger % of it's staff this year than ms, it's what companies sadly do nowadays. If you think with GP and Bethesda + acti aquisition they were looking for quick cash, you couldn't be more wrong. It hasn't even been a year, "they thought they'd make it bk no problem, and that didnt happen." shows you have 0 understanding of how a business operates.

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anast11h ago

They are going to use AI for a large portion of the game development process. Upper management need bonuses and the shareholders need more money. So, people will lose their jobs.

Skuletor11h ago

Maybe they were already using AI to make business decisions, which would explain why they closed Hi-Fi Rush's studio, then said they need more games like Hi-Fi Rush not long after that announcement.

Crows9010h ago(Edited 10h ago)

They shouldn't have bought any studios. Some is okay...but they went on a shopping spree...stupid

Einhander197210h ago

The better question is why did Microsoft buy publishers for a service they were subsidizing they knew couldn't support.

And why are so many websites trying to make people feel sorry for Microsoft instead of truly criticizing the fact they are closing studios and killing jobs that would have been fine if Microsoft themselves hadn't gotten involved.

Quit feeling sorry for Microsoft and start feeling sorry for the industry and the all the gamers who are actually losing out.

THIS IS MICROSOFTS FAULT.

RNTody10h ago

The first thing that happens after any major acquisition or merger is a consolidation of the whole new portfolio, which includes cutting any excess, bloat or portfolios that don't fit the larger MO of the big boy. So far, it's been par for the course with Microsoft and that's why gamers have been so against this acquisition. Tango Gameworks is the beginning. You think Microsoft wants to pay to keep small timers like Ninja Theory in business?

There is absolutely zero evidence to suggest that Microsoft will improve any of these studios, but plenty to suggest that they will get rid of what they don't need and hold onto the IP. The real agenda of the acquisition was always to acquire The Elder Scrolls, Diablo, Fallout, Call of Duty, Candy Crush etc. that will create millions in passive revenue stream for Microsoft regardless of where the games release. Microsoft simply wants their cut.

Because of Games Pass Microsoft has no interest in investing in new IP which is risky and requires creative talent they can neither nurture nor manage. Game Pass has also not grown in the way Microsoft expected it to, even post acquisitions. Therefore the logical thing to do, without serious money makers to release, is to cut as much cost as possible.

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