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Spencer: Will Work On Making Amends For SFV, Uncharted 4 PSX Reveal Was Cool, E3/Gamescom Important

Phil Spencer congratulated Yoshida for SFV deal but stated that he will work on Amends (compensate or make up for a wrongdoing), having great E3 and GamesCom 2014 important for Microsoft and Uncharted 4: A Thief's End PlayStation Experience reveal was Cool.

Cindy-rella3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

Isnt the next tomb raider exclusive for the xbox one? Also talking about having a xbox event like Playstation experience seems silly imo because they normally skip out on a bunch of gaming events due to lack of games to show. Sometimes they only attend e3 and skip out on everything else.

Gazondaily3427d ago

Its been confirmed to be a timed one.

"Love the idea of game franchise bartering, I'll work on making amends for SF."

Hmm very interesting. I wonder what he has in the works.

True_Samurai3427d ago

It is timed most likely just for PC and not ps4. Since they're helping publishing, funding, and developing the game

darthv723427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

okay Phil. Go talk to Yu Suzuki and offer him a load of $$ to help develop Shenmue 3. And while you are at it...make it a deluxe edition which contains the 1st and 2nd installments remastered in HD as well. PS4 is getting Yakuza so they wont miss Shenmue.

Either that or pay to have the next Virtua Fighter developed exclusively for XB1 and PC with cross platform play. Or even better....get Sega and Namco to reach an agreement to make a VF x Tekken for XB1.

-Foxtrot3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

@Septic

"Hmm very interesting. I wonder what he has in the works."

Something which will probably just make this whole third party exclusive thing even worse...which we don't really need from either side.

@darthv72

You know what the sad thing is with the amount of money they have they could do that, they could of done it years ago.

Shenmue 3, Psychonauts 2, Prey 2, Timesplitters etc...games we've been waiting for years for and Microsoft could fund them.

Why o why3427d ago

Microsoft have too many quality dormant ip's to be worrying about countering Sony. . Why don't they awaken some of those first. I screamed for a crimson skies successor all gen. . I've heard many name games Microsoft have access to that they would want. The same could be said about Sony but it was Microsoft who used a minimalistic approach to output. . Any number of their ip's could of filled the last 3rd void

darthv723427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

@fox, true. but regardless of the outcome for shenmue 3 or time splitters for example....

I am really hoping Sega and Namco work on a VF x Tekken game. It just seems the perfect collaboration between the two teams.

IF MS wants to make amends with Capcom about SFV then funding a Capcom vs SNK3 or SVC Chaos 2 would be a great venture.

@why... crimson skies is a must. and who knows, they could be working on it as we speak. Quantum Redshift was a nice wipeout-esq racer that could be rebooted. They could also be looking at adding character from Tao Feng to the roster of KI or bringing back Tao Feng all together.

there are lots of dormant IP's like you said. Bloodwake being one of my favorites on the original xbox.

Illusive_Man3427d ago

Yea timed for PC.

Phil already said 1) they wanted their own Uncharted 2) they don't invest resources and money for games going to a competing platform.

Titanfall, dr3, and ryse were also timed... Let me know when we see ps4 versions

I expect MS to pump resources to ensure TR looks and plays better than UC4

ziggurcat3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

@illusive:

no. timed for the other platforms. if you think that TR is not coming to PS4, you're sorely mistaken.

Cindy-rella3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

'I expect MS to pump resources to ensure TR looks and plays better than UC4'

Knowing about naughty dogs reputation being backed up by their work i would say that on a technological level the next tomb raider wont be better than uncharted 4.

I was mostly a pc gamer last gen but playing the uncharted games were a technological marvel which i never thought was possible on a system i considered weak the ps3. From the graphics, animations, physics and all sorts in the uncharted games they were above all other console games.

We can all have preferences and our opinions on story or things we cant properly measure but things we can see and measure such as the technology behind it all naughty dogs games such as uncharted or the last of us are technological masterpieces above all else in their respective genres.

People are already disappointed in uncharted 4 even though it looks amazing and is not even close to being released because people have been conditioned to seeing naughty dogs games looking the best graphically. I think the game looks amazing for a game still in such an early stage of development

ABizzel13427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

Because to MS

Mainstream big sellers >>> modest selling small budget niche games your fans have been asking for for generations. It's like they fear taking a risk with anything unless it turns out to be a graphically impressive game (Remedy) or a game with an established fanbase that can be made cheaply (Killer Instinct / Indies).

turdburgler10803427d ago

Hopefully sony and Microsoft don't get into a bidding war for lifetime console exclusivity on franchises cause it would be a bummer for folks who only buy one console per generation. Timed exclusive is one thing but a whole console generation exclusive is another. Thankfully I own both ps4 and xbox one but I can feel for one console owners.

mikeslemonade3427d ago

Exclusives are better for the gamer! That's a fact

BitbyDeath3427d ago

Don't think Shenmue would sell well on Xbox. They are better off with securing the next titanfall or Crysis games.

user55757083427d ago

his amends should have been fixing that horrible d-pad on all of the xbox controllers

GameNameFame3426d ago (Edited 3426d ago )

We are likely looking at announcements for 2016 from MS. If they had game coming this year. They would have announced it at VGA. They had perfect opportunity.

Yet they decided not to. This simply just mean no more announcement for 2015.

@illusive man.

You are living in lala land.

If TR is only going to PC. MS can easily announce and say "X1 is the console TR2 will ever be released it."

Yet. They will not say that. LOL. Sony did it with SF5. It blatantly said it is not timed.

Yet, MS gets asked about it tons, but wont say it wont come to PS4.

BG115793426d ago

If they wanted to make amends about anything, why didn't they start with making amends for Bayoneta 2 exclusivity to the WiiU?
Are they going to make amends each time there is a game coming out on PS4 and not Xbone? All those indies don't deserve the amends because of MS'indie clause? Phil should should probably start there.

b_one3426d ago

Timed as hell - see pics EU PSN Store PL version

http://iv.pl/images/6599094...

or is Sony just trolling

kenwonobi3426d ago

Confirmed its Ps4 exclusive forever.

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eezo3427d ago

officially confirmed as TIMED Exclusive to Xbox One and Xbox 360

Gazondaily3427d ago

Dunno why people are disagreeing with you. It's already been confirmed...

QSPR3426d ago

Guy's this deal with Capcom and STF was made before tomb rider deal or anything. Here is my prove

Mysterious PS4 Street Fighter Viral Video - (Hado…: http://youtu.be/jcFKdTMzgkk

Hardcore_gamerxbox3426d ago

Microsoft publishing the game and funding the game same as Sony doing to street fighters but I don't think sony gonna publish the game

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NegativeCreep4273427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

So he's going to make amends...against Sony...for making amends against them?

Crazy old Microsoft. And if he does make good on that statement, watch and no one will see any "Exclusive Third Party Games are BAAAAD For The Future" articles pop up.

Sitdown3427d ago

They have stated they skip out on events because of lack of games?

christocolus3427d ago

lmao, they've never said anything of the sort, maybe im wrong but i'd surely like to see a link though.

nX3426d ago

Why would they even need to say that? We know that they skipped quite a few shows in recent time, even Tokyo Games Show and Gamescom a couple of times. I somehow can't even believe that they skipped the Game Awards while Sony not only showed off something there but also at their own PSX event. You'd be fooling yourself if you think that Microsoft can keep up with Sony's exclusive lineup, they pretty much lost the last 10 years in that respect.

Angeljuice3427d ago

Please don't start an exclusivity war, just play nice you two or I'll send you both to bed without any supper.

Why does the author feel the need to be so patronising as to explain what "make amends" means?

Naga3427d ago

Because his intended audience has a 4th grade vocabulary. Look around this website and others, and try to tell me otherwise.

JeffGUNZ3427d ago

@ Naga

Says the guy starting a sentence with Because.

Naga3427d ago

@ JeffGUNZ

Contrary to your narrow conception, the English language is not a rigid and inflexible tool of surgical precision which cannot be used in any other manner than that which is prescribed in dictionaries and other formal educational literature. Rather, it is a tool of communication which possesses an acceptable degree of flexibility for those who would dare to take such liberties with it in the pursuit of presenting a more casual tone in conversation.

In light of that consideration, please forgive my informality in beginning a sentence with the word, "Because," in a comment on a public gaming forum; I thought this was an acceptable liberty to take in this forum.

Also, if you would be so kind, please refrain from asserting your rank as a Grammar Nazi in this neck of the woods. It doesn't go over very well, and is a great way to lose your dearly beloved bubbles. Moreover, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from committing the ad hominem fallacy. By that, I am referring to your implied dismissal of my comment on the basis of your grammatical disagreement. The relevance of my claim exists independent of whether my comment was sufficiently composed to your grammatical standards.

Cheers.

tlougotg3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

No, next tomb raider is a timed exclusive, not an exclusive-exclusive.

Lifeisamok....

This experience was better than vga, e3, tgs put together. Many ppl didnt just see trailers and demos lol What show were you watching? Mostly all those games were playable during or after the show. Ppl never even expected to get so much gameplay for Uc4 but we got alot from that and the Order. Sf5 also announced, more No mans sky, Jaffe new game, and many other things. Ppl just like to spin and complain! We got alot during that experience, definitely better than bs awards and other shows weve seen lol

Foxtrot...

Because SF is more loved than any of those games you mentioned and will sell more. Street Fighter is straight up iconic and to grab an ip exclusivity like that is crazy even if fighting games arent that popular anymore. I mean Titanfall hype died super fast lol and Overdirve is a good game but i dont think many cared, trust me people care about Street Fighter. Tomb Raider is only a timed exclusive by the way so not same effect.

By the way "Bloodborn" is more important to me but thats just me lol I know other ppl are like "Street Fighter" WTF!!!!

Sunset Overdirve wasnt even a big loss for Sony or a loss at all financially, gamewise it was a win for microsoft fans because it was a quality game but sales arent high up there. wow just looked at sales there atrocious..... http://www.vgchartz.com/gam... Definitely a good choice by sony to pass.

GMR_PR...

Why dont you hop off..... I love that one bubble, means i dont agree with something just to go along with status quo.... "That salt" is real ;/

thewhiteelephant3427d ago

I really love the Sony troglodytes now using Vgchartz numbers this gen to prop up their arguments. Last gen they couldn't be trusted. And FWIW I don't think uncharted 4 is as great a leap as it's being made out to be. The order is what will make me buy another ps4 this coming year

kenshiro1003426d ago

^

Which is what XBox fans do...right?

christocolus3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

Please why does it bother you guys to see an Xbox event? it doesn't even have anything to do with the Sony faithful in here, an xbox event will be for fans and the media alike and fyi Microsoft had their own event in the past,it was called the XO events it ran for 6 years straight and they always had huge game announcements at the shows. Phil is definitely bringing it back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

CYCLEGAMER3427d ago

I said this b4, but I am not sure if Sony wants to get into a bidding war with MS for 3rd party games.

BitbyDeath3427d ago

Or maybe they do?
Sony know MS have limitations with Xbox given their current circumstance. It is time Sony push back for once, and they are.

CYCLEGAMER3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

@BitbyDeath
That is a good way to look at it I guess, but if MS wants to compete in the gaming space, they can/will win any bidding war with Sony.

If the MS bosses trust Phil like they say they do, and Phil says we NEED to do THIS...I am pretty sure MS will do it.

Money trumps all in business, which is one of the reasons people hate MS so much.

extermin8or3426d ago

Not necessarily you have to consider the Ms bosses say stuff but xbox division isn't making them the money they want and pumping more into it isn't something they'd look on favourably. Also ps4 has a larger userbase and seems to sell a fair bit more multiplatform than xbox generally speaking so that has to be factored into the bidding the lost sales see so Sony can start with a lower bid and technically be on equal ground with a higher bid from MS.

neomahi3427d ago

It's timed for Holiday 2015 and then expected to launch on PS4 in March 2016. With Uncharted 4 launching Holiday 2015, it makes Crystal Dynamics a bit nervous. Phil Spencer, or one of his henchmen, talked with Crystal and said: "Hey, PS4 has Uncharted and we don't have anything like that. We think it'll be in your best interest to not try and go neck and neck on the same platform on this one, but instead, launch on a console that doesn't have that sort of competition. We'll compensate you of course, and then you can maximize your profits on a console of fans that want a similar experience, you can provide that. Then, when the Uncharted 4 hype has cooled down, release Rise of the Tomb Raider on PS4 Spring of 201. Hey, we want to be your friends. We want a good relationship with developers in aiding them in making good financial decisions. So, what do you think?"

And that's how it happened. You've got Tomb Raider exclusive to Xbox One for Holiday 2015, and then out on PS4 in Spring 2016. It's only a three month difference but, you'll be playing Uncharted on PS4.

CYCLEGAMER3427d ago

@neomahi
Where are you getting these dates from, and certainty that the game is coming to the ps4??? Phil Spencer said that he does not own the franchise and the deal that he has is for this game and it is timed for xbox one and 360. How do you not know that he means timed until they go to the PC, just like DR3 and Ryse. He said that the deal that he has with TR2 is more like the deal he had with DR3 and RYSE, and those games are not on the ps4.

How are you so sure that it is coming to the ps4??

"When people want me to say, can you tell us when or if it's coming to other platforms, it's not my job," Spencer told Eurogamer. "My job is not to talk about games I don't own. I have a certain relationship on this version of Tomb Raider, which we announced, and I feel really good about our long term relationship with Crystal and Square.

"I get the reaction I see. If I'm a PlayStation person all of a sudden I feel like, the franchise has gone. I didn't buy the IP. I didn't buy the studio. It's not mine. Where this thing will go over time, just like Dead Rising or Ryse, we'll see what happens with the game. I don't own every iteration of Tomb Raider.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

extermin8or3426d ago

@Melanoma: he said only on xbox in 2015 that's where he is getting dates from. His dates seem pretty reasonable and make sense. Expect to see os4 version at ps experience next year or something. The fact he hasn't said it's not coming to ps4 means it probably is.

CYCLEGAMER3426d ago (Edited 3426d ago )

Soooo you were saying????

http://news.yahoo.com/rise-...

MS is publishing the next TombRaider, when have you ever heard of a game that is publish by one console being put out on another?

Turns out I was right, it will be timed for the xbox one, then ported to the PC not the PS4.

rainslacker3426d ago

My wondering more why Spencer feels he has to make up for anything. It's not like he screwed up or anything. X1 SF fans may be upset about it, but no blame on MS, it's more Capcom, and possibly Sony to be upset about.

I also find it odd that Spencer is talking so much about PS the past couple weeks. It's cool and all that he's giving credit where it's due, but really, just concentrate on X1 and deliver what you can. The more he talks about PS, the more it makes me think he's trying to inject X1 into the conversation. I don't think that, but if he keeps doing it I probably will think that's the case, since all these comments seem to come with the obligatory, "MS got's stuff too".

XanderZane3426d ago

Microsoft is working specifically with Crystal Dynamics n Tomb Raider. It will use DX12 and the cloud. It's timed exclusive for the PC. It ain't coming to the PS4 just like SFV isn't coming to XB1.

extermin8or3426d ago

Street fighter 5 announced as Ps4 lifetime console exclusive. RotTR announced as xbox exclusive for 2015. Won't comment on ps4 version. Ps3 and ps4 version of previous tr outsold xbox version. Means alot of potential sales there-ergo it's coming to ps4 if it wasn't MS would have said and would want people to know there's no point waiting.

geddesmond3426d ago

Unless someone high up at MS is going to green light 100 mil so that MS can buy a third party exclusive big enough to outweigh SF5 then no he won't make amends.

SideNote3426d ago

Funny reading how Rise of the Tomb raider is a timed exclusive. Published by Microsoft...think again.

blackout3426d ago (Edited 3426d ago )

The playstation event was all a repost of e3. Loving ms, money talks. If Sony wants to play hard ball street fighterwas not the answer. LLet's go Phill. Sony's midget pocket aren't long enough. Phill just end this generation and aquire Take Two Interactive. Ps ponys.

geddesmond3426d ago

ROFLMAO. Yeah and why not Activision and EA while they are at it lol. The brains on some people amaze me. Throw in solving world hunger while your at it haha.

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-Foxtrot3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

Why does he feel he has to make amends, the Xbox One got Titanfall, Dead Rising 3, Sunset Overdrive (from a former PS developer I may add) and Tomb Raider as exclusives.

The Street Fighting deal was basically a reaction from Sony because of those deals he made. It's his own fault for buying things like Tomb Raider for example instead of investing in a game to fill that genre himself.

He has to realize you can't just throw money around all the time and then act surprised when their rival does it.

fermcr3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

How many 3rd party exclusives Sony have for the PS4 ?

... and please don't tell me that Street Fighter is the first and only one.

BISHOP-BRASIL3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

Actually I can't recall anything else, maybe some indies, but no big 3rd party as far as I know... Gonna have to check it out.

EDIT: I scrambled and all I could find is FF XIV (which Sony never have to buy, MS denied cross platform play to SE and so the game never saw an XB1 release).

Sure there are other stuff... Plenty of indies being either "playstation exclusive" or "console exclusive", 1 potentially big new IP (Hellblade - but it's also timed exclsuivity) and 1 big franchise, but it's a spin-off (Dragon Quest Heroes).

I believe there's also Dinasty Warrior games being exclusive to Sony consoles, which also is not about buying games, but about japan user base.

I'm scrapping the barrel here, those are the games I could find... None before SFV have anything pointing at Sony taking out the checkbook to secure a big sequel like MS with TR or the case in point (SFV), so likely MS started it (and this is only looking at this gen) and likely Sony is the one reacting. Which frankly makes no difference, whoever started this, I only hope it ends...

fermcr3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

@BISHOP-BRASIL

I'll name a few from the top of my head. I'm sure there are many more:
The Order 1886, Bloodborne, No Man's Sky, Everybody's Gone to the Rapture, Resogun, Rime, Until Dawn, Final Fantasy 14, Deep Down, Until Dawn, Yakuza, Witness, Transistor, Wild, Vanishing of Ethan Carter, Hellblade, etc.

...are all made by 3rd party studios. Correct me if I'm mistaken.

Revolver_X_3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

@fermcr

The Order, Resogun, Until Dawn, Im pretty sure No Man's Sky, and maybe Hellblade would all qualify as 2nd party. They are independent studios with a contract with Sony. No big publisher owns them. Rime, Rapture, Witness, Wild, Ethan Carter may qualify as well. I dont know those developers very well. Ultimately, you are mistaken.

neomahi3427d ago

Bloodborne and The Order: 1886. Ready at Dawn is not owned by Sony. They developed the Okami port for Wii.

sonic9893426d ago

Hahaaaahaaa
Respect yourself please dat IQ.
Look at those games and think hmmmmmmm then make the discovery that all those ips are infact owned by sony wooow you say huh.
Non of those games had any game before think scalebound on xbox no one blames ms for it cause quite probably its their ip.
Use brain cells people its not their for decoration and finally I wanted to point out that english isn't my first language its not even my second but I try my best with it

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darthv723427d ago

didnt insomniac approach Sony with SO and was turned down? So they approached MS and MS offered them the help they needed.

it was like Bayo 2 wanted to be made but MS and Sony passed but nintendo was there to accept the task of assisting in the development.

sometimes these companies make the wrong choices when passing on a game. LBP had its chance for the 360 but MS (in their infinite wisdom) chose not to accept the idea of user created content. Go figure...look at the popularity of LBP now.

-Foxtrot3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

You know what I find funny with the whole Sunset Overdrive thing, it's totally contradicting

Insomniac wanted to keep the IP, Sony didn't want that.

Now you would want to keep the IP because you would want the game to go multiplatform in the future...it's the whole point really. Why would you be that bothered if the game was an exclusive anyway. If you do have the IP and it's an exclusive then you can't do much with it.

Microsoft let them keep the IP....yet the game is an exclusive

You see where I'm going with this, it doesn't make sense.

Which is why I believe that Sunset Overdrive will come to the PS4/PC in the far future. There is no reason why they would want to keep the IP name for themselves if they were going to keep in on one platform anyway

Sitdown3427d ago

@Foxtrot
You keep your IP to do with it as you please; not just about bringing it to other consoles or going multiplatform. You want to own your creation, because it's your creation.

VforVideogames3427d ago

The Call of Duty franchise was turn down by Sony and we all know how that turn out.

sonic9893426d ago

@ foxtrot
It does make sense and in fact its a good business model in my opinion.
They had that crash and spyro incident because they didn't own the ips.
So it makes sense that ask for it btw they develop sequels at wish even with a different dev team example ratchet and clank size matters on psp if I remember correctly

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Gazondaily3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

"The Street Fighting deal was basically a reaction from Sony because of those deals he made. It's his own fault for buying things like Tomb Raider for example instead of investing in a game to fill that genre himself. "

How do you know Sony buying Street Fighter was a reaction to MS?

"It's his own fault for buying things like Tomb Raider"

Just like how Sony bought Tomb Raider exclusivity with TR2 for the PS One?

Dead Rising 3 always had an association with Xbox first.

Titanfall was a deal struck with Respawn because Sony didn't give them the attention they wanted when they approached them first.

SSO- Insomniac wanted to retain control of the IP. Sony wasnt prepared to give them that. MS were.

"He has to realize you can't just throw money around all the time and then act surprised when their rival does it."

How is he acting surprised? He's just giving kudos and saying that he will respond in kind. The chap he's responding to said this:

"just give me a new Banjo Kazooie or Conker and we can forget this whole SF thing happened Phil"

Banjo Kazooie and Conker are first party titles. You're automatically assuming that he's getting the money hatting card out.

izumo_lee3427d ago

Why does everyone keep talking about the TR2 deal during the PSone days as a big deal.

First of all Sony was the newbie in the console industry going up against the mainstays Nintendo & Sega. Both of these have their blockbuster 1st party titles & Sony needed to find a leg up on the competition. So they catered to the 3rd parties until they were able to build their 1st party studios.

After 20 years of building these good relationships with 3rd parties some of them wouldn't be as big as they are now without that good will with Sony, which is why Capcom went to Sony before anyone else.

SmielmaN3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

I believe ea made the deal with MS for exclusivity. Wasn't there articles on here indicating zampenella (sp) was not happy about this deal until they gagged him and put out that BS statement about servers.

How did you come about this information regarding a deal between Sony and TR during PSone days? Links? Oh, just more of your attempts to slant some subtle trolling? Oh ok, never mind.

Septic MS Defemce Force in full effect!

Gazondaily3427d ago

@smielman

"
How did you come about this information regarding a deal between Sony and TR during PSone days? Links? Oh, just more of your attempts to slant some subtle trolling? Oh ok, never mind. "

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/w...

Get schooled

darthv723427d ago

@smielman... "In September 1997, Sony Computer Entertainment America signed a deal with Eidos to make console releases for the Tomb Raider franchise exclusive to the PlayStation, preventing the Sega Saturn or the Nintendo 64 from having any Tomb Raider game released for it until 2000, a deal that would prove very beneficial to Sony both in terms of revenue dollars and also in further cementing the PlayStation's growing reputation as the go-to system for must-have exclusive titles."

In case you did not follow septic's link. ;)

-Foxtrot3427d ago

The whole TR2 thing doesn't even make sense, the rival at the time was SEGA since Tomb Raider was original on the SEGA Saturn however by the time TR2 was coming out that console was pretty much dying, the guys behind Tomb Raider knew this which is why TR2 became an exclusive

What would be the point releasing a game on a dying platform.

Revolver_X_3427d ago

@Septic

Gotta love intelligence when someone links wiki and says "get schooled."

Even in your link it says Saturn version was cancelled due to the consoles limitations, and then the Sony deal was made. So did Sony 'buy' exclusitivity or did Sony sieze an opportunity to save an IP and gain a partner? Grey areas. But you dont care about research. Just paste a link and get schooled. Saturn was bombing from its release and Sega knew it. Did Eidos really just want out of that situation? All that matters is that technically your right, right? I pity this site when ppl like you have such a bubble count.

Gazondaily3426d ago

@Revolver

Wow brilliant spin. The writing is there on the wall, even if it's on Wikipedia but you'll no doubt contest historical facts.

All your fanciful assumptions about the Saturn aside, did you also forget about the Nintendo platform? It's mentioned in the link I provided.

:)

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Gority3427d ago

The tomb raider deal was a good move. By the time Phil came on board, there was no way they'd have a game uncharted caliber for the holiday 2015 slot. The problem was with how the announcement was delivered. Since the previous entry had been on PS and the game was announced without platforms being specified everyone assumed it was coming to PS4. Then they were a little misleading on their announcement of it being a timed exclusive. I think the reaction wouldn't have been as harsh had people known right away.

IVanSpinal3427d ago

Why PS fanboys think everybody wants Uncharted?

Gority3427d ago

@IVanSpinal How am I a fanboy? I claimed that the TR deal was a good move.

I also didn't say Xbox owners wanted Uncharted. I said it was a genre that they didn't have a slot for during that time period. Either way, it is a critically acclaimed series and has high praise from gamers as well so my point that it is a high caliber game stands.

marlinfan103427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

Idk honestly. Its a great series but it seems like people have been trying to make it seem like the best game ever made.MS does have a holiday exclusive of the same caliber, its called halo. Its not the same genre but you could say the same abt sonys lineup then

Gority3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

@marlinfan10 I agree, mostly. Halo is also a high caliber game series. It isn't personally my cup of tea, but it's definitely quality and something to really look forward to if that's your thing. On the other hand, Uncharted may not be people's thing either.

Sony doesn't have a first party shooter near that caliber. Killzone has always been decent, but nowhere near it. Same with Resistance. For me though, there's enough 3rd party FPS' out there to compensate as it's not my favorite genre.

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Golden_Mud3427d ago

Actually keeping the IP for themselves does get them more money , basically if Microsoft owns the IP , they'd get a big portion of the success the game have, but on the other side , Microsoft wanted to sell consoles more than the game at that time so they didn't turn down Insomniac deal and made them own their own game. There is no way we can tell if Insomniac are gonna release the game on PC and the PS4 later on , maybe even Wii U , we just don't know yet.

Sitdown3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

So "buying" Tomb Raider is not investing in a game to fill that genre? Do I spend $25 million on a known franchise that people enjoy, or 50 million to start up a game that people might not want?

DLConspiracy3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

And fans of either console need to realize that their company is fully willing and capable to act like a business. They will take advantage of exclusivity as a tool to sell consoles. Both MS and Sony. Neither mind putting the gamer in the middle. Not something people should support. Unless you want that to continue on? Believe me it will get worse and not in your favor.

The "you did it first" excuse is not reasonable. There were exclusives onnplaystation long before Xbox existed. However now that companies are taking it upon them selves to take mulitplat games and make them console exclusive permanently. That's pretty horrible regardless of the reason.

gangsta_red3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

"The Street Fighting deal was basically a reaction from Sony because of those deals he made."

Wrong, the deal Sony made had nothing to do with MS. You truly think that Sony saw MS get TR and then just happened to go to Capcom the next day and make the deal with them for SFV?

This has been planned and in development since probably the beginning of the PS4 reveal. We have heard rumors of a part 5 since last gen coming. It would be absolutely foolish to think that Capcom wouldn't want a new SF out sometime in the future. Despite their financial trouble they would still have a budget to produce their top franchise title.

Sony stepped in and cut a check, they know exactly how big SFV is and how big of a community this IP has. It was a business move pure and simple, NOT reactionary, not because of anything MS did.

"It's his own fault for buying things like Tomb Raider for example instead of investing in a game to fill that genre himself."

I love the fact that Sony and Nintendo has been doing this type of practice LONG before MS was even in the console business. But now all of a sudden it's Phil's own fault. And Phil shouldn't act surprise when others do this.

I'm sure Phil knows that other companies are doing this, he probably knew this long before you did. In fact companies were doing this long before gaming was mainstream.

Most here are desperately trying to paint this as MS's fault, that these practices are new and a direct result of MS in the video game business. The excuse of "They did it first" is tired and childish, just about as tired and childish as the failed attempt of "Sony Too" not so long ago.

-Foxtrot3427d ago

"Wrong, the deal Sony made had nothing to do with MS. You truly think that Sony saw MS get TR and then just happened to go to Capcom the next day and make the deal with them for SFV?"

Tomb Raider? Not really I think they pretty much reacted when they saw other exclusives in Microsofts past and then when Titanfall happened it was the final push for them. They wouldn't of had enough time to react with Tomb Raider.

"I love the fact that Sony and Nintendo has been doing this type of practice LONG before MS was even in the console business.

Yeah but at least Nintendo and Sony actually invested in their first party studios...something Microsoft have just started to do latley and not because out of the goodness of their heart but because they needed to with how much the reveal hurt them and their image. If that didn't happen and they were where Sony was now in terms of sales it would be the same old Microsoft. Nintendo and Sony have shown they can do both

"as the failed attempt of "Sony Too" not so long ago"

You mean the thing you were involved in?

gangsta_red3427d ago

"they pretty much reacted when they saw other exclusives in Microsofts past."

I highly disagree, the cost of maintaining and making 1st party games is high, very high going into this new gen. Every company is going this route and every company are securing not only DLC but also known IP's from 3rd party companies as well as funding development for new IP's by 3rd parties.

Sony is not reacting to anything MS is doing. It was a strategic move to secure a premier fighting franchise on their console. Can you imagine the promotion Sony will have and use when going into major tournaments now? Especially EVO!? Nothing to do with MS.

They are pushing their brand further and reaching more audiences. They have all but guaranteed that if the fighting community wants to play SFV on a console they must get a PS4. Contrary to popular belief, there is a huge SF fighting community in the US and they all played mainly on the 360.

Sony money hatted and made sure to crush that route. Good business move.

"Yeah but at least Nintendo and Sony actually invested in their first party studios..."

Yea and Nintendo and Sony has 20 years and OVER of video game experience. 20 years and OVER of building and investing in 1st party studios. Sony alone came off of a 2 generation DOMINATION of PS1 and PS2. Nintendo was dominating with the NES and SNES and carved themselves along with Sony as a home brand name in video game consoles.

So yea, I would expect them to at least lead the way and have an advantage in terms of 1st party studios. But all this didn't happen over night. It took to where we are now to start seeing the appreciation and advantages in 1st party studios.

"something Microsoft have just started to do latley and not because out of the goodness of their heart but because they needed to"

Just like Sony and Nintendo needed to do all those years back. So now we have to fault MS for starting now? Now we can't be patient for MS but not remember when Nintendo and Sony relied on 3rd parties and 3rd party exclusives for their past systems?

"You mean the thing you were involved in?"

Nope, the thing you and others tried to champion as some kind of "don't talk about Sony while we crap on MS/Xbox" crusade a while back. High level trolling at it's finest, the Great Bubble Up Event is what I like to call it. ;)

tman73023426d ago

@gangsta_red

You took the words right out of my mouth! Glad to know there is another person on here that actually knows video game history and industry. Well said!

maniacmayhem3426d ago

Very well said Gangsta, I agree with everything you just said.

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blackout3426d ago

Sony said AFTER the TR deal that they had a third party exclusive in the works. It was all over this trash site Sony fans. And it SF. Not a water i would have spent my money. Just get ready for a blockbuster move from Microsoft. No bs e3 in December, something real. Keep up the good work Phill and the MS team.

mysterym3426d ago

@Foxtrot

Did you even read what was said, when did you deem he was surprised that Sony got SF?

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Relientk773427d ago

This guy praises Sony and PlayStation, like a lot lol

Mikelarry3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

00 spencer is his code name, they trained him well steal enemy secrets and return to base and praise the opposing team.

marlinfan103427d ago

Nothing wrong with showing respect to the competition.

uth113427d ago

he seems to go overboard imo

maybe it is a breath of fresh air, but it's really weird to read about it all the time.

SmielmaN3427d ago

Xbox seems to chg top brass a lot lately. Maybe he's just preparing himself for a future interview with Sony ;).

This is a joke dudebros, I'm not seriously implying that he will be applying at Sony if his Xbox position is terminated.

stuna13427d ago

How was not securing SFV on the Xbox1 a wrongdoing!? You're going to win some and you're going to lose some, it's simply impossible for a console to have first dibs on every exclusive out there.

But you got to respect a man like Phil that accepts and carries the burden of a missed opportunity and reassures supporter that he's willing to make ammends.

Sayburr3427d ago

I think I can surmise... Almost every tournament “pro” players took part in was on the 360… it was just a better machine overall for them. Street Fighter is the most played fighting game for tournaments.

With this loss of the game, it will push competitive gamers to PS4. Not securing SFV is going to lose Xbox a lot of clout and prestige.

stuna13427d ago

I understand that part, but it's a known fact that more people prefer fighters on PlayStation consoles, and more people prefer fps on Xbox consoles. Although there have been marked improvements to each current gen controllers, I would think the preferences would still remain the same.

snookiegamer3427d ago

So Uncle Phil's breaking out the check book for E3 2015? This is becoming a bit Tit for Tat!

Wonder if certain will frown up that when the time comes, or is it okay if it's Xbox?

;/

-Foxtrot3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

Uncle Phil?

"Daddy can I have 300 dollars"

http://becomingtiffany.file...

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2024 Is A Chance At Redemption For Xbox & Microsoft Gaming CEO Phil Spencer

Xbox has been lagging behind PlayStation in terms of 1st party content, but 2024 offers the platform and Phil Spencer a chance at redemption.

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isarai21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Nah, that time has passed for many, and with their words on future plans, i really don't see it ever happening.

shinoff218321d ago

It's a wrap. Now is the time they are slowly going to move on as to not to kill the base as is. Titles will slowly drip onto ps and Nintendo consoles, etc. Those 4 already had to of been in development for awhile already cause two of them released really soon after the announcement

VenomUK20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

There is no ‘last chance redemption’ for Phil Spencer - he’s going straight to hell for tanking the Xbox console platform.

_SilverHawk_20d ago

"2024 Is A Chance At Redemption For Xbox & Microsoft Gaming CEO Phil Spencer"

I thought that was supposed to be a decade ago

Ironmike20d ago

U do rel7se ps5 is at thr moment only getting g those titles that were mentioned nothing else as of yet

Obscure_Observer20d ago

"Nah, that time has passed for many, and with their words on future plans, i really don't see it ever happening."

Xbox has PLENTY of first party games this year while Playstation has none!

There´s more first party games from Xbox Games Studios on PS5 this year than Playstation Studios own games.

Those are the *facts* and if those facts is not something to Sony be ashamed of, they can´t feel shame at all.

VersusDMC20d ago

Granblue Fantasy versus, FF7REBIRTH, Helldivers 2, Rise of the Ronin and Stellar Blade will have launched on PS5 and not on Xbox by the time Hellblade 2 launches.

This only first party games count is cope.

And as a bonus meme...Microsoft will have published 3 first party games on PS5 (Hifi rush, Grounded and sea of thieves) before their first for the year on Xbox(hellblade 2). Glad they have their priorities straight...

lodossrage20d ago

It's funny when people like to say xbox has more games coming to playstation this year than sony does.

YET, they leave out the context that Microsoft literally bought the biggest (Activision) third party publisher and Bethesday (another big one). So congrats on having to buy giants in order to compete?

On topic, wasn't Starfield the "last chance" for redemption?

Am I to assume that if the games they have coming this year don't get positive, feedback then 2025 will be the year of redemption?

Obscure_Observer20d ago

@VersusDMC

"Granblue Fantasy versus, FF7REBIRTH, Helldivers 2, Rise of the Ronin and Stellar Blade will have launched on PS5 and not on Xbox by the time Hellblade 2 launches."

None of the games you mentioned are first party. None. There´re more Xbox first party games on PS5 this year then Playstation´s own first party games, undeniable fact!

The real bonus meme is Sea of Thieves a game which PS fanboys used to sh!t on

"And as a bonus meme...Microsoft will have published 3 first party games on PS5 (Hifi rush, Grounded and sea of thieves) before their first for the year on Xbox(hellblade 2). Glad they have their priorities straight..."

Imo, the real meme is Sea of Thieves, a 6 year Xbox first party game which diehard fanboys used to mock and sh!t on, making to the top of the most pre-ordered game at PS Store in a year where Playstation has zero first party games.

https://twitter.com/BenjiSa...

Markusb3320d ago

and all will end up on playstation, and nintendo, if xbox was doing amazing they would not need ps or nintendo, if gp was amazing they wouldnt need pc. PS has multiple first party games in development that we dont know about. Look at how halo was treated, look at redfall, and look at starfield. Its fine to be loyal and prefer one platoform but to be wilfully ignorant about it just ridiculas.

badz14920d ago

LOL se we are moving from "exclusives" to "console exclusives" to now only "1st party exclusives" matters just after MS has bought 2 publishers for $77B??

Moving goalpost to always favor MS i. Your argument is getting tiring! Exclusives are exclusives! 1st or 3rd party, they are still exclusives. You do remember the PS2 literally killed the Dreamcast, Gamecube and the first xbox due to mostly 3rd party exclusives, right?

InUrFoxHole20d ago

Observe is actually correct. Sony paid to play. But we don't mention when they do it. When they do it we're totally cool with it. N4G 4lyfe!

Skuletor20d ago

Are they still counted as first party though?

fr0sty20d ago

“This notion that Xbox can only be this one device that plugs into a television isn’t something we see in the Gen Z research. Because nothing else is like that for them.

Some of them will have an iPhone, some will have an Android, but all the games and everything is the same. I can still get to TikTok on both of them, at least for now." - Phil Spencer

Read it and weep... all Xbox games are coming to as many platforms as they can put them on, and this is the first step towards them getting out of hardware entirely, just like Sega did.

Xbox has been Dreamcast out of the industry. You can deny it all you like, but it's happening.

northpaws20d ago

@Obscure_Observer

You certainly have more faith in Xbox than Phil Spencer does, I will give you that.

rpvenom20d ago

It's actually quite impressive watching you defend xbox. I respect the loyalty

wiz719120d ago

@VersusDMC here yall Sony fans go moving the goalpost again lol now this only first party things is a cope when yall was the one who started that crap in the first place. When Sony had all the first party games and Xbox was relying on third party , yall was shouting they had no first party games. Now the tables turn and suddenly it’s a cope. lol

wiz719120d ago

@lodossrage and so it’s also funny that the majority of Xbox first party games this year aren’t coming from any of those big studios lol except for Indy .. the biggest one this year is coming from a studio that Sony left and almost let that studio die after releasing two big exclusives on their console first. Now MS swoop in and saved them , then here they are with the best looking game this generation. Now that’s ironic , but you mention buying studios like Sony biggest studios weren’t BOUGHT my brother.

Yall need to be more worried about Sony closing studio after studio , the PSVR 2 dying , Sony losing billions , and the fact that yall biggest game this year as in Stellar Blade was once being developed as a multi platform game until Sony paid for them to be a second party studio. lol but you want to mention things being bought , your delusional

Crows9020d ago

Shame in the competitor buying up tons of dev teams in order to make that a reality? Yeah...there's no shame in that on the PlayStation side....

andy8520d ago

So now you're shifting the goal posts so only first party exclusives count. Amazing 😂

Profchaos20d ago

There's probably tons of games exclusive to Xbox that won't be on PS because of their early access clause.

However list the games that count helldivers 2 I'd argue has done more for gaming this year than any other title will.
It could be their only game and it would still be a great year because it was that unexpectedly good even haters of love service games are playing it

TheTony31620d ago

Still at it? Doesn't matter at this point. The games will eventually launch on PS5.

mkis00720d ago (Edited 20d ago )

I see you ignored his" only first party games count" line as if preordained. Is it on xbox? No...then it is ammunition. Meanwhile sony gets to passively soak up 30% of all ms game studios sales.

1Victor20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

@obscured: “There´s more first party games from Xbox Games Studios on PS5 this year than Playstation Studios own games.

Those are the *facts* and if those facts is not something to Sony be ashamed of, they can´t feel shame at all.”
That says more about Xbox than PlayStation that they have to release games on rival consoles to stay afloat, Microsoft and YOU SHOULD NOT BE ASHAMED OF THAT FACT.

Edit After thought: it took Microsoft 6 years to finally fix their sea of bugs just in time to release it on PlayStation 🤷🏿

S2Killinit20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

On topic:
MS’s last chance was Starfield…
How many last chances are there?

@Osbscure
You’re moving the goal posts into places that have no basis in reality anymore.

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darthv7220d ago

Life is too short to hold onto grudges. Grudges against a console, game or company is just petty.

isarai20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

Has nothing to do with a grudge. Ive been waiting 12yrs for them to get back to their greatness, im done waiting and have moved onto just watching that ship sink as i play on literally every other platform

darthv7220d ago

^^... I still play on it, as well as the other platforms. Which is why I am not someone who dwells on the negativity like others do. there is always something for me to enjoy in this hobby.

isarai20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

@darth

Again, not dwelling on negativity, they legit haven't made anything i want to play since like gears 3 and halo reach. I did play Crackdown 3 and gears 5 cause i had hope given i was a huge fan of the older games, but that was a dud on both cases.

You're thinking it's way deeper than it is 🤣 make something worth playing and ill play it, i was hoping starfield would be that but again, dud.

darthv7220d ago

^^...I never said YOU were doing that... but its obvious others (here) do. Its all they seem to do is dwell on negativity, especially if its XB related. all im saying is there is more to enjoy than there is to complain about. And this is exactly why I play all the platforms instead of just one. You say you do the same... so just enjoy it.

neomahi20d ago

It's fanbots making their last stand in an attempt to save the Xbox, what more can one expect that the most optimism they've ever had. Xbox can't get a lock in Japan, still, and Europe is about to abandon it as well. What're you gonna do? And what happens IF Japanese generates interest? They'll see Europe losing interest and decide it's not worth it either. And it's not just Xbox, Microsoft as a whole is losing their footing. They've backed on subscriptions with everything they have to offer and it's tanking. Xbox needs to port to PlayStation and Nintendo while they can stay relevant and try to stay relevant, the longer they delay, we could see a complete Microsoft nose dive

S2Killinit20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

And you think MS fans are just dandy? Besides, is it a grudge if MS continues to give reasons for people to despise them?

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Markusb3320d ago

when you cant make enough from your own platform and pc and you have to go to ps and nintendo you know its a slow transition to 3rd party publishing, and that is fine. Xb never had the thurst or ambition after the 360

JackBNimble20d ago

The second they decided to put exclusives on the ps5 they blew any chance of redemption

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-Foxtrot21d ago

Even if they managed to get a win this year it dosent overthrow 10 years of mostly disappointments from Phil’s leadership.

RaidenBlack20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

Then this way, no company can redeem themselves. The very concept of redemption arc becomes impossible if the past is refused to be forgiven, even if the company manages to better themselves.
Then the now popular redemption arc of No Mans Sky or Phantom Liberty wouldn't exist in the gaming community if the same logic is also applied there.
Not defending anyone here but I want gaming to improve, companies to better themselves and most importantly competition to exist so that we get offered the best products to enjoy.
(I know in typical N4G fashion, this comment will be downvoted to oblivion, but I want good games offered from every studios irrespective of publishers.)

staticall20d ago

@RaidenBlack
IMO, what @-Foxtrot means, one years doesn't mean much. It's a start, yes, but they need more, much more.

Look at your own example, No Mans Sky - they didn't just release one patch and everyone started praising them, no. They've been doing this consistently. If Microsoft will start releasing good games consistently, that'll be great, no ifs and/or buts! But hyping them up in advance (no worthy releases yet is what i mean) - dunno, i might be wrong, but i don't think it's healthy or helps anyone.

rippermcrip20d ago

Your analogies are terrible. A company releasing a single game that failed to meet expectations.

Isn't the same as Phil Spencer making mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake, telling lie after lie after lie after lie for 10+ years.

isarai20d ago

Your whole comparison makes no sense. It literally took years for both of those to "redeem" themselves in the container of a single game. MS has been lacking for 12yrs starting with the halo/gears/forza criticism begining in the latter half of the 360. So even by YOUR logic, he's right, it's gonna take a lot more than one game to be redeemed ESPECIALLY after fumbling what many were already holding as their chance at redemption with starfield

Chevalier20d ago

It's not Playstation or Nintendos fault that Xbox poses no competition. They've had more support and more money behind them than Playstation and Nintendo combined!

You say you aren't defending Xbox, but, you kind of are. Xbox has been completely mediocre for decades. The last time Xbox was competitive was the 360 era. My 360 collection absolutely demolishes my Xbox One collection and so far Series X hasn't had much reason for me to jump to a purchase.

Can you honestly say Xbox is 'competitive'?! I would say not even close.

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Silly Mammo20d ago

With the gaming media, Xbox is always just one game away from redemption and success. It's willful ignorance that they think there's a 'magic bullet' that will somehow erase all the moves by Phil & the gang of the last 2 console generations.

"Well there's always next year!" Should be the official Xbox slogan

Chocoburger19d ago (Edited 19d ago )

100% this Mammo!

They've been screwing up for over a decade! Even if they release a game that's of the highest quality, that's nothing in the grand scheme things.

It also doesn't un-do Kinect (with lies based advertising).

Or Kinect 2 (forcing people to spend $100 extra for something they didn't even want!).

Or releasing two consoles with nothing noteworthy twice in a row (One X, Series S|X).

Or releasing unpolished games such as Re:Core, Sea of Thieves, Halo: MCC, Halo Infinite, Redfall, and Starfield.

Let's not forget canceling games as well such as Scalebound,Project Spark, and the Phantom Dust remake.

Finally let's remember the broken promises of vaporware games, languishing in development Hell, such as Perfect Dark, Fable, Everwild, what else am I forgetting?

Redemption is far far FAR AWAY for Microsoft. It'll take a full decade of only making smart pro-consumer decisions and releasing plenty of amazing games in order to make up for it all.

2024? It ain't gonna do squat on its own.

Rols20d ago

It was the same old story in 2020, 2021,2022 and 2023. XBox has never delivered this gen.

Brazz20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

Xbox360, the last time they delivered the goods, over 10 years Ago.

Skuletor20d ago

This headline just reminds me of the "wait 'til E3" comments we'd hear every year, before it was cancelled.

LG_Fox_Brazil20d ago

I wonder if the 2025's version of this article is already written, probably I would say

lodossrage20d ago

That's the same point I was trying to convey when I replied to Obscure

Hofstaderman20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

#wait till e3 2024

Aloymetal20d ago

''2024 Is A Chance At Redemption For Xbox & Microsoft Gaming CEO Phil Spencer''
We've been hearing and reading the same crap since the xbone launch, these shills/journos need to come up with something new. Good thing is most gamers know this is all BS, they all read ''"Step right up folks and hold out your money or sub to our service. You don't know what you are going to get, but like always, take our word for it" Signed Lord Phil.

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Phil Spencer blames capitalism for games industry woes.

Spencer said publicly traded companies have to show constant growth or else nobody will give them money. "I don't get [the] luxury of not having to run a profitable growing business"

LG_Fox_Brazil25d ago

I don't know Phil... You've being running, and some will say ruining, the Xbox brand for 10 years now, you know?

Profchaos25d ago

I'd say he'sade the best out of a tremendous cluster fk of a situation he was thrown into after Don tanked the Xbox brand from Kinect to the launch of the X1.

The only reason Xbox isn't in the Ms graveyard right now is because of Phil.

So I don't agree with everything he's done but I can see why these drastic pivots and moves have been made

VenomUK25d ago (Edited 25d ago )

You don’t hear Nintendo CEO Shuntaro Furukawa blame capitalism for the phenomenal success of the Switch.

You don’t hear now-departed PlayStation CEO Jim Ryan blame capitalism for the roaring success of the PS5.

Cockney25d ago

He was head of games back in don mattricks day so he should be held accountable for his involvement, the back half of the 360 gen and start of xbone lack of games was all him

Rynxie25d ago

The reason Xbox is not in the Ms graveyard is because of the money they are throwing around to keep the brand alive. Don was just a yes man, the stupidity of the Xbox one was MS doing.

romulus2325d ago

We are well past Don Mattrick at this point, people need to stop using that tired excsue. The issues with xbox for nearly the last ten years have been solely on Phil.

Plague-Doctor2725d ago

The PS3 tanked Sony and they recovered during the same generation. The Wii U tanked Nintendo and they delivered a record setting console only a few years later. At the launch of X1 it was keeping pace with the PS4 and in the US was occasionally beating it.

jwillj2k425d ago (Edited 25d ago )

All he had to do was say “the way forward is to make great games.”, drop the mic and make it happen by any means necessary. If you listen to the interview he gave after redfall came out, you’ll hear him say he thought the game was good to go and the internal team rated the game 85 out of 100. 85!! This shows how out of touch he is. He’s literally an empty vessel just collecting his check, running the division off of data-driven analytics, he doesn’t care about xbox and now pulls a Trump, blaming the clouds for his failures.

Cacabunga24d ago

Says the biggest capitalist company.. this moron should stop talking

sinspirit24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

No.. Phil was in charge of European studios and Kinect implementation since 2008. Those European studios he was in charge of were then full time Kinect developers as he was now in charge of all XBox game studios in 2010. This is why game quality has sucked ever since he was in charge and directly why the legendary Lionhead and the actual Rare devs are not there anymore. Phil is actually more to blame than anyone for the bad game quality and the Kinect push. And especially for the terrible XBox One launch.

He was the spearhead implemented employee for Kinect and Microsoft's new vision. The others were the talking heads appointed by XBox. And, honestly watching some of those old interviews it seemed like those XBox employees were possibly maliciously complient by telling exactly what Microsoft's new agenda was with Kinect and always online without dressing it up.

And directly on topic. No, Phil. Capitalism is voting with your wallet. XBox doing bad financially is in fact because of bad products, disappointments, failed deadlines, and especially lying, misleading, and broken promises for products. If you just released really good games and tried to innovate then you'd had a lot of sales.. oh and GamePass is losing out on a ton of sales which can not be recovered from a few microtransaction purchases, monthly sub costs, or even whales. The math is simple when you could have sold a $70 game 5 million times but instead maybe sold 1 million tops and now have to recoup a quarter billion of revenue from lost sales potential of the one title alone. But now you also don't want to release a lot of first party titles because of the direct loss in sales revenue from day 1 GamePass, and you don't want them to release really good games that take a little more time and money to make because you want them to be cost effective for GamePass release. So you intentionally plan to release a lot of AAA shortcomings at this point because the AAA badge is needed but you can't do it too well or GamePass will never actually profit. Even though they had said GamePass is profitable, it is absolutely not by much and never will be. And, they said that Zune was profitable a long time ago but they combined it with an entire category of products when Zune itself was bleeding money. They lose far too many direct sales that even the most generous math can not see how they could be making much money if any at all to make up for this business practice. This is what happens when marketing and trend chasing fool a business into pursuing the wrong thing to stay relevant when the clear answer all along was that they always did good when they just supported developers making genuinely full and good games.

Babadook724d ago (Edited 24d ago )

I kind of agree with you, but Phil is partly to blame.

I blame Peter Moore (for leaving). Everything went to pot soon after.

PapaBop24d ago

How many years ago was this now? I'll give him some credit for what he inherited but lets be honest, he hasn't exactly done anything praise worthy and has done a terrible job managing the studios Microsoft owns.

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Eonjay25d ago

I thought he said it was Gen Z. I can't keep up.

Hofstaderman25d ago

Its Gen Z who are extremely capitilist. Lol, Phil is a clown of note.

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fr0sty25d ago (Edited 25d ago )

He's kinda right, shareholders expect constant growth, which is unsustainable, but it is what they expect nonetheless. That's why, even though the games industry is healthy as it has ever been, because it isn't growing, everyone in the industry is panicking. Even though we're still selling just as many consoles as ever, they expect each generation to just keep on growing and growing, and when that doesn't happen, they start to freak out.

This is true of any industry, and it's why anytime a company goes public, their products usually end up going to shit. The shareholders expect more and more and more growth, cuz they want that stock price to keep climbing, and so eventually corners start getting cut, wages start getting cut, employees start getting cut, they start cutting away everywhere they can to try to squeeze a little bit more money out of the product, until they ruin it, and then they move on to the next product.

buffig24d ago

Yeah, but everyone knows how capitalism works. This part didn't need explaining. The problem is that they bought massive plublishers for a gazillion dollars, to the detriment of the industry and now he's acting like he has no choice but to fire thousands of people because he just found out about nasty capitalism

TheEnigma31324d ago

Why I'm glad companies like Valve stayed private.

SyntheticForm24d ago

He'd never blame himself, so he's trying to score points with the kids by blaming capitalism. One of the biggest capitalists is blaming capitalism for his and Xbox's failure.

fr0sty24d ago

I agree with you, which is why I said he's "kinda" right... he's right in the fact that capitalism is behind a lot of investors freaking out that the games industry, while still healthy, is not continually growing unsustainably, but he's also being hypocritical in the same breath after buying half the industry and then laying off thousands of them, and using his own business practices as an excuse to cover for his failures.

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mandf25d ago

It won't be until halo and gears are on playstation that xbox fans see phil for who he is. A snake fighting only for himself. The video game industry means nothing to him just his paycheck to those who believe phil is passionate and loves video games you are part of the problem. You never hold ms accountable.

Minute Man 72125d ago

Halo and Gears only when Microsoft drops outta the console market

-Foxtrot25d ago

They don't need to drop out of the market for that to happen

They will always have some kind of console going forward but Halo and Gears could only be a few years away at this rate.

Next gen might look completely different

Tacoboto25d ago

I'd actually hope for Halo to come to PS and Nintendo at this point.

The community rejected a mictotransaction option so MCC is no longer maintained - no new revenue streams and Microsoft listened. Infinite is on Content Updates now instead of Seasons - dwindling playerbase and less excitement. If MS wants the franchise to thrive, that's free money and the same could essentially be said for Gears bringing them abroad.

FinalFantasyFanatic25d ago

@Tacoboto,
To be fair, Halo Infinite had a rocky start to begin with, I think they improved for a while, but fell behind again.

shinoff218325d ago

The writings on the all in huge fking letters. Just read it.

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phoenixwing25d ago

I don't blame Phil for that in the slightest. If you were offered to be an executive of a company 9 out of 10 ppl would take the job for the salary and give little crap about how they feel about any given product they sell. He's not wrong that capitalism drives greedy companies but you have to take the good with the bad.

staticall25d ago

@phoenixwing
But the person is doing a bad job and the company (including customers) are suffering because of that, how can you not blame him? The reason for high paying is the decisions you make and the responsibility you take for your actions steering the company in the right direction (if company is doing bad, it's your fault; if company is doing good, it's because of your decisions).

It reminds me of that South Park Bill Owens parody ("Follow that egg" episode), a governor who wants all the money and recognition/respect, but doesn't want to take any responsibility, how backwards is that?!

Petebloodyonion24d ago

@Staticall
Agree but what are your metrics for doing a bad job?
Is Microsoft's share value tanking due to its decision?
Is brand awareness worse than in 2016?

As someone who works in investment, this is how I see it and why Spencer's still around.
1) Grow the Xbox brand awareness by including PC and Gamepass making it a stronger brand by name versus 2015.
2) Showed a plan to evolve profitability by having multiple sources of recurrent income with Gamepass, PC gaming, streaming, and now other platforms
3) made new market integration possible via PC and cloud.
4) Can make hard decisions for the good of the company like cutting jobs.

staticall24d ago

@Petebloodyonion
I would say, we shouldn't look at Microsoft themselves, they have a ton of revenue streams - Windows sales, hardware sales, Office sales, Azure, government contracts, certification programs, etc. We need to look at Xbox - hardware sales are in decline (Xbox 360 > Xbox One > Xbox Series S + X combined). GamePass subscribers aren't growing enough and, according to the Microsoft docs, are at plateau. Games sales are abysmal (both physical and digital, thanks to "Day one on GamePass"). Xbox exclusives doesn't exist anymore (every game is coming to PC). And it didn't start yesterday, this was happening for a long-long time.

In my eyes, brand recognition doesn't mean much, if it doesn't translate to console sales, because Phil took away every reason to buy Xbox console for a regular customer (i used to own Xbox 360 and saw 0 reasons to own Xbox One or Xbox Series).

I would also argue that he didn't make any hard decisions, at least when it comes to games: Crackdown 3, Redfall, Halo Infinite - he was saying that those games are looking fine only to be laughed at on presentation/release. But i would consider that a low blow, because he did cut some jobs. But not from top management (who are responsible for the decisions).

In my eyes, as a console owner/gamer, doing good job as a platform holder = supporting your console with high quality exclusive games (like Nintendo and Sony are doing). I'm fine with releasing the games afterwards on PC, but not right away (otherwise, what's the point of a console?!). Extra services are fine (like PS+ or GamePass, or cloud stuff), but they wouldn't be a reason to buy a console for me. Phil is overfocusing on extra services, not on games. And it doesn't work out and haven't worked out for what, 10 years already? Sorry, i feel like i'm rambling at this point.

Nooderus25d ago

He's a Microsoft executive. Duh

S2Killinit25d ago (Edited 25d ago )

Agree except I think the real snake is MS itself. They are a terrible company. This clown is just the hired man for the job.

phoenixwing25d ago (Edited 25d ago )

Thats basically what I'm trying to say and if you really want to get down to it. It's the board of directors for the company who makes this stuff happen.

jznrpg24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

@Phoenixeing it’s his job as the head of the division to tell those people I think you are wrong and for success we need to this - that’s literally his job. MS motto is a big problem and Phil going a long with it is also his fault. He’s the one guy who can say something.

Abear2125d ago

Agreed they are the problem.

M$ doesn’t care about the quality of the game, they care about the profitability of the game.

When you work for a Co. like M$ you know this. It’s all about money—not the “art” or what’s healthy in the industry for devs and/or the consumers.

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M3talDiamond25d ago

First its Gen Z now its capitalism but we can all agree that it definitely isn't Phil

JackBNimble25d ago (Edited 25d ago )

If it wasn't for capitalism there would be no xbox or Microsoft for that matter. But as the head of xbox division it is his responsibility no matter good or bad .... that's what it means to be the boss. If that's to much for him, then he needs to resign.

-Foxtrot25d ago

Kind of funny because when it comes to capitalism Microsoft is one of those great big American companies that just screams it.

They spent billions on Minecraft, Zenimax and Activision yet couldn't afford to save all those jobs they cut. With the money they make within a year they could have, someway.

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FinalFantasyFanatic25d ago

They've been swallowing up a lot of AI companies too and spending big on that area.

S2Killinit25d ago

If MS gets into AI they will cause the end of humanity the way they are causing the end of console gaming.

FinalFantasyFanatic24d ago

@S2Killinit,

It's between Microsoft and Google, the chances are one of those two will take the AI crown considering the amount of cash they're throwing at that sector. I suppose Microsoft might be the worst out of the two, but Google hasn't been exactly great compared to the old days when they threw around their old adage of "do no evil".

Silly Mammo25d ago

MS is making millions of dollars annually with the Xbox brand. Unfortunately, they're spending billions on acquisitions too

8bitAssassin24d ago

Game Pass games are not free.

Christopher24d ago

He also blames his bank account balance on capitalism.

PhillyDonJawn24d ago

I don't think it work like that. MS is the parent company. The branch has its own budget to maintain.

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thorstein25d ago

Making millions, taking million dollar salaries and bonuses but it's the dev in the chair that's preventing profit?

Yeah okay, Phil.

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Phil Spencer, long cast as Xbox's saviour, may be remembered as the man who killed it

Nathan Brown: "Phil Spencer spoke to the press at GDC last week, offering some context/spin on Microsoft’s recent manoeuvres, while dropping a few now-customary hints about the Xbox division’s future plans. I take one issue with this: I am no longer sure Xbox has much of a future to speak of. Moreover: I think Phil Spencer, for so long cast as Xbox’s saviour, may ultimately be remembered as the man who killed it."

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gold_drake27d ago

his decisions over the years were definitely questionable at best.

but MS let him be the head of xbox for this long, so they either dont have anyone else for the job or .. we'll i dont rly know any other reason haha.

-Foxtrot27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

Basically when we had that awful Xbox One reveal in 2013 and Don Mattrick was thrown under the bus as the companies scape goat Phil was pretty much the only one they had who wasn't a typical looking "corporate suit".

Despite the fact him being the head of Microsoft Game Studios and gladly going along with the lack of games nearing the end of the Xbox 360 life where it was basically Kinect, Sports, TV along with the same 3-4 IPs like Halo or Gears he was the best person they had for the job.

They didn't have anyone else basically and from that day onward he was seen as good guy Phil turning the studio around when all he was doing was reversing the silly decisions made and going along with whatever the higher ups or the board wanted for Xbox. Didn't make a difference in the end because everything they "reversed" with the awful Xbox One reveal ended up being implemented in small different ways surgically in recent years with Gamepass.

The guy apparently is such a huge gamer yet played Crackdown 3 and Redfall, thought they were good and released them anyway in those states.

PapaBop27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

Not a typical looking corporate suit? The guy straight up looks like a used car salesman lol. To be fair, after Mattrick, I think anyone with half a brain could succeed him and look semi decent, whenever I think of his name, I immediately remember that "this is how to share your games" video from Sony.

S2Killinit27d ago

when I look at him, its cringe. The guy dresses casually to fool people. But he is as corporate as it gets.

fr0sty26d ago

His cocky smirk I've always found to be incredibly annoying...

MrDead27d ago

I would say his "why bother making games when others are already" decision is what has lead them here. MS does this, but they just buy companies that they want to do a thing then asset strip it and dump it, you can't do that in gaming.

Tody_ZA26d ago

He's the head of Xbox because Microsoft isn't a gaming company and they haven't done anything for gaming in more than a decade. They're a parent company looking to buy more kids to raise as investments. They will profit off ownership, off their games releasing on other platforms, because they can't create anything themselves. Slowly they'll make Xbox as a console completely irrelevant under the mantra of play anywhere. That's why Phil is still there. He shares their corporate vision of making bucks and doing nothing for the gaming industry.

SubtilizZer27d ago

“If they don’t have a story these days they’ll make one”
Drake.

RhinoGamer8827d ago

Phil's top skill is keeping his job, growing his net worth to over $25million, all while underperforming...

SeTTriP27d ago

Gotta respect it, he went from a gaming studio head to making 70billion dollar deals...he is the main character I gotta admit.he looks fun to hang around too.

MrDead27d ago

...why do I feel like I need a shower after reading that? One of the grossest thing I've heard, S tier blowing bubbles grovelling.

jznrpg27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

I don’t respect moves that make gaming worse long term

XBManiac26d ago (Edited 26d ago )

(Phil 'wait for next year' Spencer)
Microsoft made the 71,933 millions deal because it was already started and, with Microsoft, it is not possible to go back and stop it. Does anybody think that deal would be an option in 2023 or 2024, with the nowadays sitiation of the industry? And in 2022? No, nobody would pay that money for Activision-blizzard-king... because it would not be recovered in more than 20 years of really hard and good work. Everybody are selling for less, not buying for more (Embracer, Tencent...). But bad decisions in a company like Microsoft are impossible to fix. It is like a very big Ministery, where if something starts, it can't be stopped. It happened before and Microsoft will do the same again, as they have enough money to burn... well... I hope, because if Microsoft dies... it will be the end of our known world. What could substitute it?

_Decadent_Descent27d ago

I mean, that does take a certain skill. lol

FinalFantasyFanatic26d ago

I guess he has skill as a salesman, look how long he managed to get people to wait on Xbox.

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