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How Nintendo Tried To Embarrass Sony And Created Their Biggest Rival

It was supposed to be an ideal matchup of Nintendo and Sony to develop a new console. Instead A new interview talks about how Nintendo looked to embarrass Sony but ended up creating their biggest rival.

JaguarEvolved2170d ago

"Nintendo changed its mind about the deal and effectively pushed Sony into giving up on the project. After that Kutaragi persuaded the head of Sony
to seek revenge by creating the original PlayStation and taking on Nintendo in the console business."

Nintendo's decision caused 3 failed Nintendo systems and 4 successful Sony PlayStation consoles. I know Nintendo regrets backing out of the deal with Sony

showtimefolks2170d ago

Think about it playstation exists because Nintendo did something and Xbox exists because Sony said something

It's kind of ironic

naruga2170d ago (Edited 2170d ago )

Nintendo are the best game makers , i give this to them ....BUT i also give them the title of the most douchbag game company out there ....they are the Apple of japan ...they make far overpriced systems and things just because they r Nintendo and think their prestige as game company is bigger than its competitors....At least history revenged them for their megalomania , as the most legendary Non-First party games were released on PS, their direct competitor ...Sony as far more humble , open minded and consumer friendly company attracted the best talents , released on its consoles some of the best games ever created and finally dominate the video game field as they should be

showtimefolks2170d ago

Nar

So true they are selling card board box and calling it genius and innovation

oof462170d ago

@michellelynn0976: Kind of hard for Sony to hold Nintendo hostage when it was Nintendo who agreed to go into a deal with Sony to make a disc based console. Nintendo just didn't want to give Sony a piece of the profits, in regards to games sold.
In order to get out of that deal, Nintendo went behind Sony's back and signed with Philips.
https://www.nytimes.com/199...

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Segata2169d ago

Xbox exists because of SEGA. WinCE on DC and then almost making Xbox BC with DC titles. They used DC's on focus tests and nearly put VMU's in the controllers.

Magnetar2169d ago

Actually MS made the xbox because Sony announced the ps2, saying it would run Linux and be capable of doing what a pc can. MS seen this as a threat to their market so they reacted by making the xbox. IGN unfiltered had Seamus Blackley on this month and he talks about how it happened.

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FallenAngel19842170d ago

“Nintendo was surrendering total control over what could be released on the PlayStation”

So Nintendo should’ve just let Sony have full ownership and profits over the Play Station’s games?

saoco2170d ago

Sony wanted a piece not the whole pie. Sony also went to Sega of america, but Sega of japan was already deep into the development of Saturn and could not come to common grounds with sony

FallenAngel19842170d ago

Don’t try to spread misinformation. It’s already been documented everywhere that under their agreement, Sony would develop and retain control over the Super Disc format, with Nintendo thus effectively ceding a large amount of control of software licensing to Sony.

I’m not talking about Sega I’m talking about why Nintendo felt prompted to later turn down the deal in the first place. People like to say Nintendo made a bad decision but never consider why they made it in the first place.

Chevalier2170d ago

Couldn't Nintendo have just restructured their deal like a normal company? What they did in terms of Japanese business is unheard of. To do what they did with no notice at a huge trade show to try to show up Sony was a huge loss of face. They literally burned the bridge when they didn't need to.

FallenAngel19842170d ago

Hiroshi Yamauchi was clearly not a very reasonable businessman and felt incredibly slighted by the wording of the contract. Nintendo's CEO decided that they had to fight what they percieved as a huge "insult" from Sony with a fiery "insult" of their own, which was clearly a bad idea in hindsight.

saoco2170d ago

Nintendo were the biggest thieves. They reaped all the benefits while developers got crums.

Anyways, they definately could of worked a deal but nontendo was very greedy and arrogant.
One of the reasons ps1 was so successful is because Sony undercut Nintendo and sega by charging less for royalties.

FallenAngel19842169d ago

Nintendo and Sony did work out a deal in 1992 in which allowed Sony to produce SNES-compatible hardware, with Nintendo retaining control and profit over the games, but the two organizations never repaired the rift between them and by the next year, Sony had refocused its efforts on developing its own console for the next generation of consoles.

Realms2169d ago

LOL. You do realize that Nintendo has made many shady deals in the past a large reason why so many third party developers abandoned them for years was because of how unfairly they treated them during the NES, SNES at the height of Nintendo's power. They where charging developers the cost producing and manufacturing the games they wanted published on their system along with very low royalties on games published on their system. At the time Nintendo had very little competition so they got away with it but karma is a bitch and it bit them in the ass first when Sega came along, then again when Sony got into the console space.

Nintendo has made many bad decisions but publicly embarrassing Sony has got to be one of their biggest which I bet they regret to this day because it motivated Sony to get into the console market effectively making them their biggest competitor and overtaking them as industry leaders.

FallenAngel19842169d ago

No shit Nintendo made a lot of business practices in the past. I’m just asking that people should consider the alternative of them going through this particular deal and the consequences that would’ve come from it.

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TallonIV2170d ago

"3 failed Nintendo systems" yet Nintendo made a profit on all of its consoles as they don't sell them at a loss like Sony and Microsoft have. Try again.

showtimefolks2170d ago

True but than again Sony and ms make a lot more from software side. Nintendo consoles before switch barely got any support and even switch is filled with ports

Prince_TFK2169d ago

“Nintendo consoles before switch barely got any support ”

Tell me you aren’t serious.

PhoenixUp2170d ago

And the entire reason the NES even exists is because of a fallout with Atari.

in 1983 Atari was supposed to sign a deal with Nintendo to help bring the Famicom to North America, but when they found Donkey Kong running on the Coleco vision and felt Nintendo broke the deal. Nintendo then decided to do their own thing and made the NES, and it was massively successful.

History repeated itself when a few years later Nintendo then chose not to help Sony make a CD-Rom system and Sony decided to start their own PlayStation, and it was massively successful.

blackblades2170d ago

Wow didn't know that about atari, I knew about nintendo and sony through a history document on netflix or you tube. Gaming history is so interesting.

Knushwood Butt2169d ago

The Famicon is the NES. I don't understand your story.

DankSinatra2169d ago (Edited 2169d ago )

It wasn't just Atari, it was the entire gaming market that gave the NES the spotlight (the US game market had crashed due to an oversaturated console market flooded with too many trash games)

Also the famicon is the NES.

PhoenixUp2169d ago (Edited 2169d ago )

@ Black

Yeah it almost happened. You can read up more on the collaboration here

http://www.atarimuseum.com/...
https://arstechnica.com/gam...

@ Knush

The Famicom is the Japanese edition of the system. The NES is the western edition of the system. Although they’re both the same system, both editions have various different hardware configurations to be labeled distinctly.

https://m.youtube.com/watch...

@ Stonie

I know the Famicom is the NES, however there are differences between these systems that it’s simple to label each edition of the same console differently.

http://nerdlypleasures.blog...
http://1morecastle.com/2014...
https://retrocomputing.stac...

Plus just because there was a crash didn’t mean it would’ve been smooth sailing for NES by default. Sega Master System and Atari 7600 also released during the 3rd generation and didn’t find much success. Nintendo had to work for its success rather than just presenting its system at a time consoles were losing relevance.

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-Foxtrot2170d ago

It's a nice thought in another alternative Universe...where would the Nintendo-Playstation be today? Would Uncharted still exist? Would we still have had Super Mario Galaxy? What new franchises would we have? What would Mario Kart or Smash bros look like with PlayStation characters?

Imagine a Zelda game being pushed to it's limit with the technology available? The things you wish you could see.

michellelynn09762170d ago

And the reason Nintendo said no was because Sony wanted Nintendo's franchises.

1Victor2169d ago

Is that you moldybrain with a skirt? Or are you his twin sister

michellelynn09762170d ago

Not just that. It was their decision to stay with cartridge (N64), the poor marketing for the GameCube, The Wii beat the PS3, but the Wii U was just doomed. It was marketed horribly.

Mr_Writer852170d ago

@michelle

So Sony didn't beat Nintendo, Nintendo let Sony beat them....... Right...............

UCForce2169d ago (Edited 2169d ago )

Nintendo cut the deal with Sony and side with Philip. That caused Sony so pissed off and want a revenge by creating PS1 that humiliated Nintendo in first place. I’m sorry, but you defending Nintendo way too much. Nintendo made a huge mistake for backstabbing Sony then Sony rekt Nintendo for it. That’s call Karma. And i’m glad PlayStation is own league now.

Kryptix2170d ago

It would have massively benefited Nintendo to have the games and the hardware that they could have acquired an almost monopoly like Nvidia vs AMD.

Perfect timing for the PlayStation as their hardware was vastly different to gain a lot of third party support due to the capacity of the CD. What developers couldn't do with cartridges would make projects go towards PlayStation. If PlayStation was another cartridge based system, I don't think it would be as successful as it is today because that's one thing that allowed devs to dream outside the box and create many different experiences.

For example, games like Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy 7-9, Gran Turismo would be heavily downsized due to memory limitations. Then came the PS2 which expanded much more and showed the way for the future of console gaming in terms of versatility and open-ended possibilities.

indyman77772170d ago (Edited 2170d ago )

Lets face it Sony was destined to be big in the games business. A more business like explanation would be with out the melodramatic story of 'revenge' as a motive for getting into the business. I doubt they regret backing out, because they would just be a name brand and Sony would be the manufacturer AND the company collecting the loins share of royalties for publishing games on their consoles.

This article is not telling you about how Nintendo grew and dominate the handheld market every generation. Which they would have also shared with Sony. Or about the Wii which was at least second best selling console ever (so far). Nintendo is the company with the cash pile so they don't regret it. They regret not making the N64 and gamecube Disc based. They regret not making the WiiU like SWITCH or PS3.

SuperSonic912169d ago (Edited 2169d ago )

The video game industry needed a platform holder that would champion the Third Party developer and stop the monopoly Nintendo established in Japan and America.
It was justice by destiny.
Sega got first dibs to crack Nintendo's industry monopoly with Sonic the Hedghog but Sony PlayStation delivered the totally made sure Nintendo will never again monopolize the industry.

Nintendos greed was their downfall.

Also PlayStation totally erased the stigma that video games are just for little children. Now Nintendo is relegatedto just making kiddie games and is now capped by PlayStation adult market domination.

rainslacker2169d ago

Kutaragi didn't convince the head of Sony. Sony actually decided not to go ahead with the PlayStation.

That's when he took PS to Sony Computer Entertainment, and since they were a separate entity from Sony in structure, they decided to go ahead with the platform.

Segata2169d ago

Gamecube made a profit every single year while MS and Sony did not in that era. Gamecube failed to sell big but they did make a bunch of money.

IamTylerDurden12169d ago (Edited 2169d ago )

I don't blame Nintendo for wanting Sony's hardware manufacturing expertise. With Sony's excellence in consumer electronics they will always have the upper hand in hardware. Just look at the PlayStation, PS2, and PS4 and you can literally see the difference between them and other consoles. The size, form factor, functionality, it's all Japanese expert manufacturing. Nintendo i believe was a toy company and Microsoft is an American software company. Neither have the background in electronics that Sony does.

Anyway. Thank you Nintendo, you created a monster.

demonicale2169d ago

You don't think that Sony would've made their own console in the end?. It might've happened so who's to know if they stayed with them it would've changed much in the long run.

Big_Game_Hunters2169d ago

I'm sure they regretted partnering with them in the first place considering how greedy Sony was getting with that deal.

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SuperSaiyanGod412170d ago

I grew up on Nintendo consoles and Mario and Zelda but after playing ff7 and ff8 and twisted metal 2 and god of war and devil may cry and onimusha, syphon filter, Gran Turismo, legends of dragoons, metal gear solid, GTA, legend of legaia, and the list goes on, I became a huge Playstation fan because most of these games were exclusive to the Playstation platform and Sony was the only corporation taking risk on new ip's. That's why I still appreciate the Playstation brand because to this day they are the only corporation that continues to take risks on big triple a exclusives. Nintendo got great franchise's but most of them are sold because of the iconic names of their franchise's like Mario, Zelda, Metroid prime, super smash brothers, donkey Kong. I thank Nintendo for pushing Sony but I also thank Sony for not disappointing me every gen since the original PlayStation with the most diverse exclusive lineup of games.

IamTylerDurden12169d ago (Edited 2169d ago )

Why Nintendo would want to go toe to toe with an untapped monster like Sony i have no idea? A world leader in consumer electronics with its hand in a multitude of ventures that could potentially benefit their gaming division. Movies, music, audio, optics, electronics, ect. Quite honestly, Sony has not incorporated their other talents into their gaming division nearly as well as one could've expected. I love Sony, i love PlayStation, but i can't imagine how well a company like Microsoft or Nintendo would've utilized such resources. Sony is performing great this gen, but if they were able to consolidate all that talent and utilize it for their gaming division they could absolutely dominate and potentially revolutionize the industry. I respect Microsoft and Nintendo's ability to get the most out of what they have. To achieve results by any means necessary.

SuperSonic912169d ago (Edited 2169d ago )

Thanks indeed.
Without Nintendo there will be no PlayStation Domination.
I am eternally grateful to Nintendo.Was the catalyst of greatness.
Out of the bad came something good.
No pain No gain.

FPS_D3TH2170d ago

Wow this article was hard to read on my phone. Crap format.

Razzer2170d ago

It is hard to read on my laptop too so just formatting all around.

Garethvk2170d ago

FIxed it. Was in an area with bad connections and posted via phone.

Garethvk2170d ago

Welcome. It posted and I could not get it to reload to get in and fix it when I noticed it was off. I was able to get in and get it started and finally reached staff who adjusted it. Went out to speak at a school today out in the boonies

iN_4G_form2165d ago (Edited 2165d ago )

You and Tristan Donovan offer a partial inaccurate telling. Nintendo’s public embarrassment of Sony at CES in 1991 served as a catalyst in the creation of PlayStation, it did not create PlayStation. Sega’s subsequent rebuff of Sony a year later (ex-Sega exec Tom Kalinski spoke at some length about it https://www.mcvuk.com/busin... , https://forum.rpg.net/archi... ) served as another catalyst.

What created PlayStation was Ken Kutaragi’s threat to then-CEO of Sony, Norio Ohga, that if Sony did not go it alone, he would leave Sony:

‘The Hollywood Factor’ -- “There was also Kutaragi, who actively pushed to set up the Sony Computer Entertainment company, even threatening to leave Sony if the games unit was not created.” https://books.google.com/bo...

“The opposition discouraged Mr. Kutaragi. ''I was very sad,'' he said. ''But I had a strong passion, so I decided to create my own space to make my vision a reality, even if that meant leaving Sony.'' But Sony agreed to set him up in his own company.”…''I told Ohga-san when we set up Sony Computer Entertainment in 1993 that someday our business would become a big business and influence our corporate betters in the same way that children influence their parents,'' he said.” https://archive.nytimes.com...

Ken Kutaragi was going to birth PlayStation (perhaps not in name, but certainly in vision) one way or another. It was in the works since 1986 http://www.karx.ru/tmegames... , and in his mind (28:06 - 28:29 https://www.youtube.com/wat... ) since 1984 http://www.giantbomb.com/pr...

“That belief has guided him throughout his career. In the mid-1980's, he encountered the first ''chip'' that delivered graphics in real time. Built by Sony for use in broadcasting, it was 6 feet tall, 19 inches wide and 25 inches deep and housed around 20,000 chips. ''I figured that in a decade, that box would be a single chip,'' Mr. Kutaragi said.” http://www.nytimes.com/1999...

Stop skewing the truth.

Garethvk2165d ago

I just asked questions. Those are 100% his answers so I did not skew anything. I simply recorded his answers.

iN_4G_form2163d ago

He has no answers, if you have no questions. Your questions (and his answers) orbit Nintendo as if it was responsible for the creation of PlayStation, when in fact it wasn't.

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FallenAngel19842170d ago

Oh god the way this article is structured is so atrocious. I can’t imagine any self respecting journalist publishing such a poorly edited piece with indentations everywhere

Razzer2170d ago

I'm betting they copied it from Word or something and the encoding is all jacked up. Just horrible.

Hint: Copy the text into Notepad to remove formatting!

FallenAngel19842170d ago (Edited 2170d ago )

Even after it got edited it still has some further editing to do such as noting the difference between the interviewee’s and the interviewer’s words like most interview articles denote.

Plus there’s this jarring error

“In terms of sales Sony launched the PlayStation 2 years before the N64 came out”

Legatus2170d ago

Thank you from the bottom of my heart Nintendo.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv721d 1h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle12h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic188110h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio9h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning774h ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga12h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff218311h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga10h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan6h ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

romulus235h ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv724h ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

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purple10115h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos14h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-4h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac13h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad13h ago(Edited 13h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple10113h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos12h ago(Edited 12h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic11h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead4h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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PSLS writes: I have traveled across the country using the Razer Kishi Ultra in airports and hotels for both PlayStation Remote Play and mobile gaming in general, and I am thoroughly impressed.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers1d 11h ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos20h ago(Edited 20h ago)

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken21h ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g1d 7h ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing1d 6h ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H91d 7h ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola1d 3h ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn6691d 6h ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle1d 5h ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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