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Microsoft goes on a Christmas Xbox Live banning spree - Unmodded Xboxes caught in crossfire

according To Adrian Kingsley hughes at zdnet.com:

If my email inbox is anything to go by, Microsoft has once again gone on a Christmas Xbox Live banning spree, and once again innocent users are caught up in the crossfire.

Here's the deal - if you mod your Xbox then Microsoft reserves the right to ban your Xbox from ever connecting to the Xbox Live online service. This isn't the first time that Microsoft has taken this action, and Microsoft is well within its rights to do this (if you have any doubts, read the terms and conditions). Problem is, each time Microsoft takes this action, I hear from people who have been banned who claim that they have been banned despite running unmodded consoles. And each time the story is the same - there's no one customers can turn to for help.

This time is no different.

Now, I have no way to independently verify that the users who have approached me are actually running unmodded consoles, but given that I know that Microsoft's track record in identifying non-genuine Windows operating systems isn't 100% accurate, I'm going to assume that the same is true for identifying modded Xbox consoles. The problem isn't so much that Microsoft might be mis-identifying unmodded consoles are modded ones, it's the fact that there's no one that users can turn to for help to discuss the problem. Several emails that I've received over the past few days make mention of tech support not being able to help "due to the nature of the ban" and that Microsoft is unable to take the consoles back under warranty to check whether they have been modded or not. If fact, customers being told that the only way to escape the ban is to buy a new console.

I'm not going to suggest that Microsoft should stop banning consoles that it suspects are modded. I'm also not going to push for 100% accuracy in detecting modded consoles (after all, I'm a realist) but I am going to forcibly suggest that they company put in place a system by which people who claim that their consoles are not modified can somehow prove their innocence. "Just buy a new console" isn't a good enough answer.

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MikeGdaGod5966d ago

and i'm still up and runnin. feel sorry for the innocent

Dareaver15966d ago (Edited 5966d ago )

If they say that "there is no way to confirm," like this article says that there is "no way to independantly verify" should be a red flag on approving this story. Seriously, this site is getting pretty horrible with the fanboy flamewar stories. There are some sad individuals out there making stuff up.

I mean seriously, if your not modded and supposedly are banned for no reason, i got one easy word for you "LAWYER". Easy money, but upon further investigation M$ has taped your racist tirades, or inappropriate pics of an UNO game, or etc! Then you were banned for another reason, doesn't have to be modded 360's.

This news article is not "News" worthy, because there is nothing substantiating it! This fanboy crap is seriously hurting this site, look at the people approving this crap.

You know what's crazy, i plan on getting a PS3 when it comes with the DualShock 3 controllers so i can play Uncharted and whatever else that is hot that comes out in 08', but with these rampant PS3 Fanboys flaming constantly, it makes me look at Sony differently. I don't know what to some it up to, but maybe it's collateral damage, you know like if a grenade goes off and all the other damage that is caused by the shrapnel and the structure being weakened after the explosion.

You can't help but connect PS3 Fanboys to the PS3, sometimes when i come on to the site and see the new articles, i immediately close this tab and go to a less biased site like; 1up, IGN, G4TV, Gamespot, and etc. because i can't digest the nonsense that gets approved on this site.

Fanboys make it worse for the systems they obsess over, and unfortunately i see mostly PS3 fanboys, then 360 fanboys, then PC (surprising huh) fanboys, and rounding out last the Wii fanboys (which are like rare animals, whenever you see one you have to take a picture, because you might not see another one for a long time.

If any of these fanboys are groan men, what does that say about the gaming community, i can understand kids talking about things they hardly know, but full grown adults is unacceptable.

actas1235966d ago

@Dareaver1,
Why u assuming this is not true, also, why are u assuming its SONY that is responsible for this. Isn't this a Microsoft problem? Why are you ignoring the facts and blaming others for Microsoft problems... and yes, please DON'T buy a PS3, see who gives the damn... What the fu*k man, grow up.
Microsoft Should pay for ignoring their customers, just like the rest of "the sucking" companies out there like eBay.

Nevers5966d ago

Bubbles to you, bud. Couldn't agree more.

Feihc Retsam5966d ago

GO to TARGET / WALMART / KMART...

Buy an XBOX360 (with cash so there is no association to you), take it home, remove only the core console.
Replace the new console with your "unmodded" but banned Xbox360, and return it.

TRUST ME... IT WORKS

Mikey_Gee5966d ago (Edited 5966d ago )

that end up screwing folks in the long run. Then what if they sell it as an open box item and some poor kid gets your screw console ??

Plus most (if not all) places make the serial number of your console since it is seen when you lift the flap and it is associated with the receipt.

dantesparda5966d ago (Edited 5966d ago )

Dareaver, i dont even know where to begin, But you truly are a blind fool/fanboy. You talk about how since this story cant be "substantiated" that it shouldnt really be believed, yet it is substantiated, by the people making the claims. Now, does that prove its true? no! but come on man, do you really think there are a bunch of Sony fanboys lying around trying to figure out how next to fvck over the 360 and MS? come on man! and you talk of conspiracies. Yet what you just said is a conspiracy theory. You have nothing "substantianing" your theory, other than what you believe (which is biased anyway). At least this guy writing the article has some "substantiating" evidence supporting his story..., THE PEOPLE MAKING THE CLAIMS! What do you have for your accusations? what a hunch? what, some fanboy belief? Come on man!

Then you talk about less biased sites like 1up, Gamespot, etc... All known 360 biased sites. Of course you like those sites, all they do is rosy up all the 360 stuff and come down with the hammer on the PS3 stuff. These sites really are holding the 2 systems to different standards

Then you go on and conspirialize about Sony being behind this. You wanna talk about "conspiracies" again? Cuz you just didnt it again, twice, for the second time! when here you are talking about hating that. But what you really hate and what really makes you sick is not when people conspirialize, but rather when they do it about your precise/beloved 360.

And this is NEWS, its good to know these things. And people, if youse (and yes, that is the proper plural form for "you") keep defending these things, then youse are getting exactly what youse deserve. Remember, careful what you wish for

Then you talk about you was gonna buy a PS3, but since Sony fanboys make you so sick, its making you not really want to. Then i got a word of advice for you. DONT! if you are that on the fence about it then dont get it. Besides the fact that you even have these inklings about getting the PS3 really means that you want one. But those feelings are messing with your fanboy tendencies. So base it, upon whether you really want it or not, not on some fanboy hatred sh!t, but rather your want to play the games

And sorry to tell you this, but alot of these muthafvckas on this site are grown man. They may not be that mature when it comes to this, but grown man, none the less. Now stop your fanboy nonsense, and lets try to really be fair. If you hate the madness then dont perpretate it

And p.s. this is coming from a 360 owner

Edit: wow! people just keep taking my bubbles away, cuz they cant stand the fact that i dont sweat the 360, but thats alright, keep taking them. It wont shut me up. All i need is one bubble. And what are you people so afraid of? the truth? cant handle a difference of opinion? whatever, continue on taking the last one, it wont change a thing

Blademask5966d ago

Look at the guys previous post. He rarely touches on the 360. If anything its in response to his readers sending him emails.

He doesn't appear to be involved in your fanboy wars either. Check out the official 360 forums, people ARE getting banned from XBL. Several in fact, there is no way that one man can CONFIRM that with Microsoft. Especially just some average joe running a blog. In the middle of the christmas holiday.

Just because Microsoft doesn't go open and say 'this is whats happeneing' doesn't mean its not. Take RROD for example. I guess all those people on youtube are ps3 fanboys that bought 360's just to Red Ring them yes?

You have no proof to support your 'made up' theory. While there are people on the actual 360 forums saying its happening. And remember the key part, this HAS happened before. Stop trying to flash everyones memories with your bull dude. Something is clearly up.

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ravenguard885966d ago

I've never seen anyone who was banned from Xbox Live convincingly explain that they were not violating the terms of use. It's always "my little brother was playing and threatened to deer-shank that dudes mom" or "i dropped it and then it would play burned games, but it's not modded."

TheSadTruth5965d ago

while most of the idiots on the site may disagree with you, the truth of the matter is that a large percentage of those banned will lie and not admit to having a modded console and hope to induce this sort of response

it happens in lots of games I've played, when Halo modders get banned they come whining to the forums, in Warcraft 3 when maphackers banned they come and say they never hacked.. it's the same case here, Microsoft isn't stupid enough to implement an alogirthm that wasn't 100% efficient and hasn't gone through Quality Assurance testing

Texas GMR5966d ago

I'd be contacting an attorney. No help, that's bull and MS should have someone you can talk to on this matter.

BloodySinner5966d ago

I'm with you on that one, buddy.

Kulupoo5966d ago

ya thats some hardcore BS they try to pull... you didnt mod ur box and you pay the membership as anyone else... if you have a problem ms should deal with it... not telling you:oh just go buy another console.... im not made out of gold you know~

Sarick5966d ago

Just seems to much a coincidence that the only way to get back on is buy a new console. Wouldn't they be better to just ban an address or person not the console?

Hmmm... Maybe, just maybe this is MS Christmas rush to energize extra console sales and regain marketshare for the new year. This is all conjecture and conspiracy but it's something to think about.

This is only an opinion however, in this case there could be another reason.

As for the lawyers MS made a nice clause that when we hit agree after signing up you've accepted their terms. In those terms your rights are very limited as it gives MS the right to ban, suspend or limit your Live access without reason.

Percy5966d ago

You cant just go out get a attorney and sue Microsoft unless you have lots and lots of money it will go no where. Is Microsoft just suppose to say oh this guy has a lawyer we better pay up no. They are constantly in the courts and they know what they are doing. If you did have enough money and could afford a legal team that might stand a chance you still would be better off just buying another console because you would be in litigation till the Xbox 1440 comes out.

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Darkiewonder5966d ago (Edited 5966d ago )

Since march was when I got the system. and today I turned it on to just add a friend. so if i magically get banned [which isn't really possible] it'll be funny xD

WilliamRLBaker5966d ago

agreed if you've never done any thing to modify your console then they need to setup a way to prove so.

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Pacific Rim Pinball comes to Pinball FX

This could be fun as they make great tables. Go big or go extinct. Prime your senses for a neural handshake and step into the cockpit of a Jaeger. It is on you to cancel the apocalypse when Pacific Rim Pinball comes to Pinball FX on May 16.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7223h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle10h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18817h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio7h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning772h ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga10h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff21839h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga8h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan4h ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

romulus233h ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv722h ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

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purple10112h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos12h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-2h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac11h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad11h ago(Edited 11h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple10111h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos10h ago(Edited 10h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic9h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead2h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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Why Monopolies In Gaming Must Not Be Allowed

As of right now, there are no monopolies in the games industry, and for the sake of the medium as a whole, they never should either.

thorstein22h ago

Shouldn't be allowed in any field.

Inverno18h ago

And yet the biggest tech companies in America are essentially that. They buy up all the small comps only to kill them off and steal what they have, and if they can't buy em they bleed them to death.

jwillj2k417h ago

Eventually they’ll realize the value is with the employee not the company. Buying an IP means nothing if the people who contributed are let go. They’ll get it one day.

MrCrimson16h ago

tech is different because they buy threats and then kill them. Twitter bought Vine and did nothing with it. Despite people seemingly liking it. Could've had tiktok a decade before bytedance. go figure.

Zenzuu17h ago

Monopolies shouldn't be allowed regardless. Not just for gaming.

MrCrimson16h ago

They buy IPs not talent. That's why these buyouts never work and the IPs die. Right now it's too expensive to develop games - but I expect that to shift maybe as AI tools can make it easier. The best games have been indie games for awhile as big developers fuck their ips to death with "games as a service" -