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Games should be fun for everyone: In response to the ‘Gay Drake’ backlash

Games are not inclusive.

Games pander to a very specific demographic: 18+ heterosexual males. This is not debatable. The landscape may be changing, but for the most part triple AAA mainstream games are engineered to speak to a particular group of people.

At the same time, games primarily function as escapism. They’re meant to be–as much as I dislike this being the case–fun. Most people do not play games to face the complications or problems of real life. You pick up a controller to feel empowered, to be the hero, to save the world. Wanting games to fulfill that type of power fantasy, to be wish fulfillment, to allow us to escape is understandable. Personally I’d like games to be more than that, but at a baseline level, we can all probably agree that they should be, if nothing else, at least fun.

Here’s the problem. Games are not always fun for everyone."

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theonlylolking4496d ago

"But could Drake be gay? Yes, he most certainly could, and having high profile characters like him be queer would help in creating an environment where games can be fun for everyone."

Drake cannot be gay. He is probably the most straight video game character ever. Ok, maybe stretching it a bit.

Jobesy4496d ago

"He is probably the most straight video game character ever."

That would be Duke Nukem hands down. But no, Drake isn't gay.

lastdual4496d ago

Ho boy, has Gearbox got a surprise for you!

I have secret information (from some guy at GameStop) that a gay Duke Nukem who is politically correct and negotiates nonviolent peace treaties with hostile alien races is on the way!

Tired4496d ago

I've known plenty of guys far more manly than Drake that are gay.

Likewise I know some pretty camp guys who are 100% str8.

I'm 32 I've slept with more women than I have men, but I'm gay and people are usually surprised to find out.

This whole argument is deeply flawed.

He could well be gay, despite his past. He could equally not be...does it really matter?

TheoreticalParticle4496d ago

But Duke facilitates homosexual relationships between his girlfriends. So he's straight and pro-gay at the same time!

MsclMexican4496d ago

Im totally confused by this whole "backlash"

I mean really?

Being Homosexual is not wrong, and you should be ashamed if you are homophobic.

But the character of Drake is not gay..... and Im confused how all this nonsence began

rabidpancakeburglar4496d ago

I don't think there has actually been anyone saying that it's a problem, not on here anyway. I remember when the article was on N4G and everyone was saying what you were saying, that he is not gay, and some were saying that he is one of the straightest characters in video games. What there was though was a bunch of people saying that they couldn't believe everyone on here was such a homophobe, which was sorta confusing considering the comments.

MsclMexican4496d ago

Also... there is nothing wrong with a gay protagonist...

(Spoilers) The reason I say Drake is not gay is because he already married Elena, and had sex with Chloe.... twice.

But according to the writers, Drake could be gay. They have no proof... but they are using the boondocks philosophy

"Even if you have no evidence, there is no evidence stating that the evidence is not there"

Like I said a gay protagonist is nothing wrong, but through this story, Nathan Drake is not gay.

And people who say they would not have bough Uncharted if Drake was gay....

you people are f**king sick

ABizzel14496d ago

This has really become a hot topic. Personally it wouldn't bother me either way if Drake was gay or not. IMO it doesn't make sense to just up and turn Drake gay at this point, bi-sexual is possible, but as the article says it should have been an idea developed from the start.

I think Joel from "The Last of Us" would be a much better character to experiment with. He has the potential to a much deeper character than Drake due to the setting he's in, and how it's a narrative driven game. Joel seems like a perfect fit over Drake, because at the end of the day you're playing as a man trying to survive which is something everyone can relate to (surviving in life, not the zombie apocalypse). Joel's situation would take a "gay character" and shed the label and turn him into a "man".

That being said I guess it really matters where you grow up at if you're accepting of homosexuality. Growing up in California I guess makes you more accepting of a lot of things.

iamtehpwn4496d ago

Talk about taking it the wrong way. We're not being prejudice against gays, but taking his character and them making gay would be a very big change. For example--I'm black. But I don't think Nathan Drake should be black in Uncharted 4. Obviously, its not his character.

LiL T4496d ago (Edited 4496d ago )

BINGO
Making Drake gay would be like asking one of us to be white (brown here) or a better example would be to ask a gay person to be straight.

EDIT @below... It shouldn't matter but apparently people like to take things to far. If the game was made arround a gay character thats fine but when this happens do straight people get to say "hey I dont like this game, im not gay, chane your character to a straight one".

fluffydelusions4496d ago

Does it matter if someone is gay or not? Does it in anyway affect how you live? Just sayin...

Christopher4496d ago (Edited 4496d ago )

I think people are talking about how the change would be perceived/told in game and how that would be a jarring change in the character.

If Drake suddenly starts a relationship with another male character as opposed to how we've seen him in the past with women, it would be a major departure. It would change who Drake is on a big level and it would also be unnecessary.

Now, if a gay character was introduced into Uncharted, that wouldn't be a problem. But, don't change who Drake is. If being gay was so important to who Drake is, then it would have been in the first game.

MWH4496d ago (Edited 4496d ago )

it depends; will it matter to you if for whatever reason that makes you bend over or lean forward, someone, a friend maybe will be recording the moment in his mind for his leisure time(s) later? hey, it could be a family friend like your father with all due respect who knows.. tough thought isn't it?

as long as you're safe then who cares, this is the internet, one can write whatever it takes for popularity and agree-points yeah?

but if it happened to someone dear, then the story is different, you're faced with a difficult situation, but sadly, most accepts it, some to avoid being called "the shameful homophobic" by the likes of the guy up above.

think about it and measure it on the social and community level, not just yourself.

ThichQuangDuck4496d ago

Would it truly matter if any gaming character would secretly homosexual, no. Would it change anything other than their own sexual preference. I am not personally homosexual, but do not plan to get married until they can to. Anyone who believes they are above another group of people is ignorant. Homophobia is the spread of ignorance.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

stevenhiggster4496d ago

"But could Drake be gay? Yes, he most certainly could, and having high profile characters like him be queer would help in creating an environment where games can be fun for everyone."

So what is being said here? That gay people can't find games fun unless there is a gay protagonist?
I have absolutely no issue with any game's main character being gay but I don't think there should be any issue made out of it either, why do we consider them all straight?
How do you know that Soap Mctavish isn't gay? It isn't stated at any point that he is hetero?

Why do some gay people like to make an issue out of their sexuality? You don't see hetero people going on about a need for more straight hairdressers! (Sorry straight hairdresser guys, massive stereo type there.)

Basically why do we need to know the sexuality of our protagonist? If you want to believe that Gordon Freeman is gay, go ahead! No one has ever said he is straight! Yeah sure there is chemistry between him and Alyx, but he might just be her gbff.

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DEADEND4496d ago

I wouldn't mind playing as a character who is gay as long as the game is fun and the story is awesome.

Pacman3214496d ago

I found some of the comments here on N4G about homosexuality by some members really disturbing, and this is coming from a straight guy.

GraveLord4496d ago

If Drake was gay I wouldn't have bought Uncharted.(no offense)

Valenka4496d ago

It's people like you whom are responsible for society being in such a rut.

TheFirstClassic4496d ago

Not neccessarily. If he just isn't interested in playing as a gay character, then fine, nothing wrong with that. If he isn't attacking gays then he's doing nothing wrong.

That comment doesn't give any evidence to him being a bigot. If the character drake had a "gayer" personality, I might not want the game either. Depends of course.

I know we're most likely going to have an argument in this section, but I hope not.

Valenka4496d ago

That's just being stereotypical.

RememberThe3574496d ago

I gotta agree with cpayne93, I'd stand up against bigots and racists any time of day and any day of the week, but that doesn't mean I want to play as a character thats gay. I respect anyone's right to be who they were born to be, but that doesn't mean I want to go on a fantastical fictional adventure as them.

bredstick654496d ago

Wait... ..Society's rut is caused by straight people not wanting to play an immersive game with a homosexual as the main character? That's it? Somebody call Naughty Dog we need Drake to save the world again...

Chloe your not going to like this.

Ser4496d ago (Edited 4496d ago )

Why is that? I wouldn't buy anymore Uncharted titles if I knew Drake were gay. Am I so evil because I simply do not want to play as a gay character in a video game?

I don't like playing as space marines on steroids, I don't like playing as over-emotional heroes / heroines, I don't like playing as Italian plumbers, I don't like playing as a flamboyant hero / heroine, I don't like playing as a a character I feel no emotion for, and I don't / wouldn't like playing as a gay character. (Male or female for that matter.)

It's just personal preference. And there is NOTHING wrong with that at all. It's people that have a problem with free will that are the problem. All I'm doing is exercising my free will by not wanting to play as a gay video game character.

JBaby3434496d ago

It's funny that the same people who want and expect people to accept their personal choices and preferences can't accept others' personal choices and preferences.

Ser4496d ago

@JBaby343

Someone isn't paying attention to what I'm saying.

I couldn't care less if a person is gay. Do whatever tickles your pickle.

It doesn't mean I'm homophobic just because I don't want to play a game as a gay character. All it means is that I don't want to play a game as a gay character. Just like I don't want to play a game as a beefy space marine.

It's just personal choice, deal with it.

Valenka4496d ago

"I wouldn't buy Uncharted because I don't want to play as a homosexual." Prejudice much? I don't give a fig what your "preferences" are. That is blunt and utterly prejudiced.

JBaby3434496d ago (Edited 4496d ago )

@ drak: Someone isn't paying attention to what I'M saying. Gay people want people to accept their choices and preferences but they don't accept when someone has their own preference and view on things.

We are saying the same thing. It's just personal choice. YOU deal with it.

@ Valenka: Check comments 4.3-4.3.4 Hope that helps clear it up for you.

Ser4494d ago (Edited 4494d ago )

@JBaby343

You and I are most certainly not saying the same thing. Pay attention.

Homosexuals WANT Drake to be gay. They want to force their sexuality onto an already perceived as straight character.

I'm not FORCING anyone to accept my views on not wanting to play a gay video game character.

That's not personal choice, that's forcing your opinion. Learn the difference. Your logic is flawed.

JBaby3434489d ago

@drak: It's exactly the same. They want us to accept their decision and thus force it on heterosexuals who would rather not be bombarded and will not accept our choice not to have it.

Thus what I said. They expect us to accommodate them but they won't accommodate our choices and respect us in that right.

What are you going on about?

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dark-hollow4496d ago (Edited 4496d ago )

The thing is that people always thinks about gays stereotypes when they are talking about gay people.

A gay drake doesnt necessarily means wearing pink t-shirt and tight jeans and talking with a high tone like there is a needle up his a$$!!

fluffydelusions4496d ago

The disagrees logical comments such as yours get on this site somewhat scare me.

specialguest4496d ago (Edited 4496d ago )

Imagine if Drake had a romantic affair with male characters instead of Chloe and Elena. That isn't going to fly with me. The gameplay may be exactly the same, but the fantasy/escapism is gone.

I'm not going to bash a game for having a gay main character, but don't bash me for MY PREFERENCE to not want to play it.

JBaby3434496d ago

Exactly. Apparently you are a hateful, evil person if you don't want to engage in that sort of fantasy world in your free time. Forgive me for not finding that sort of thing appealing but I don't.

BabyTownFrolics4496d ago

dont hide your dreams about you sully and drake in a steamy oily threesome

specialguest4496d ago

huh?... w-what?!? Huh? How did...WHO TOLD YOU!

LOL! you busted me.

smashcrashbash4496d ago (Edited 4496d ago )

That is the arrogance of people. Because I don't accept homosexuality means that I am a bigot or a homophobe. I don't think it should be encouraged or advertisd like some sort of feature in a game.Like the way Fable advertise same sex marriage like some sort of shiny new feature to attract customers. If I believe homosexuality is wrong and have the right to distance my self from it if I want to. People believe that because society accepts homosexuality that automatically makes it right. But society accepts many wrong, damaging things without thinking of morality or concequences.

Now don't get me wrong, people have the right to do whatever they want but don't add stuff like this to mainsteam media to damage society more. If I practiced bigamy for instance, I am sure people be against having a character that is a bigamist. IIf people suddenly decided it was okay to marry 13 year old girls again for example would that make it right or morally acceptable?

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Analyzing 'Uncharted: Drake’s Deception' – Wait, What is The Game About?

Uncharted 3: Drake’s Deception has a lot to live up to as Uncharted 2: Among Thieves is an incredible and near-perfect game.

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Profchaos905d ago

It's about retirement...oh wait

UNCHARTED2FANATIC905d ago (Edited 905d ago )

I cant even say what the point was its easily the worst story in the series. The online was a whole lot of fun though but overall doesn't come even close to 2

porkChop905d ago (Edited 905d ago )

It was a step back for sure. Personally, I thought even the MP was way better in U2. Solid game, glad I played it. I just think they didn't push as hard as they did with U2.

UNCHARTED2FANATIC900d ago

Yes both the online and story was better in 2 no doubt

Flewid638904d ago

The "young Drake" portion was pretty top notch, story-wise. But yeah, everything outside of that I felt was inferior.

DanielEndurance905d ago

Villains were all over the place in this… one second they wanted Drake dead, the next they needed him, then they want him dead again, then they coulda killed him, but poisoned his friend instead, then coulda shot him again, but had brunch with him, then needed him alive, then coulda mowed him down, but decided to kill him by fire and let him escape… Uncharted 2 was way better. 😅😅

slowgamer905d ago

=D Sounds crazy. I don't remember any of that. Played it on ps3 and I remember thinking that why was this game so bashed compared to second one. I liked it.

Chocoburger904d ago (Edited 904d ago )

Another thing that annoyed me about UC3 events was the agent Talbot teleporting around Turkey. It just felt off to me, and made no sense.

Also, for about one third of the game, you go on a wild goose chase to rescue Sully, who wasn't even there to be rescued, and you end up back where you started again. There was simply no pay off for all the events you go through, so it fell flat in that regard as if they couldn't figure out how to make the game longer, so they decided to side-track you to do something with no pay off, hoping you wouldn't notice due to all the incredible action set pieces they made.

Overall though, even with its flaws, I still enjoy the game.

TheEnigma313904d ago

This was actually my least favorite in the series. Didn't have that same impact that part 2 set.

Flewid638904d ago

Uncharted 2 is the pinnacle of the series (to me).

Granted, 4 had the best story in my opinion, but 2 was the overall best game.

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Uncharted 3 Anniversary Retrospective: Shackled By Its Precursor's Legacy

A decade after its release, how does Uncharted 3 fare today? Does its story still work? Was its precursor’s legacy a bedrock or quicksand for its own aspirations?

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SullysCigar905d ago

When arguably the weakest game in the series is still awesome and more fun than most games today, you know you're onto a winner!

coolbeans905d ago

I'd extend "arguably" before awesome too. Many technically demanding scenes were jaw-dropping for the time, but it's tough to ignore the sub-par context propelling the action forward.

SullysCigar905d ago

Tough for you, perhaps, and that's fine. I enjoyed it very much. Perhaps a little less than the others in the series, but then the bar is extremely high.

I remember being blown away by the water and sand tech in U3 for the time too. It certainly was a visual treat!

LucasRuinedChildhood905d ago (Edited 905d ago )

It is very good, but when I originally played Uncharted 3 it was the most disappointed I'd ever been in a video-game because Uncharted 2 was just that good. I enjoyed 3 much more when I replayed it in the Nathan Drake Collection though. I could just enjoy it for what it is and accept that it's not Uncharted 2 - it's not a roller coaster, and it doesn't balance and rotate between action, puzzles, platforming and set-pieces in the same way.

Uncharted 3's gameplay is a bit more compartmentalized and focused on one thing at a time. I'm not surprised the scrapped version of Uncharted 4 was going to have no gunplay for the first half. It's also paced much differently - it takes a long time to get to the notable set-pieces. Uncharted 2 is insane from Nepal onwards which is about an hour into the game. haha.

I did like the introduction of chase sequences, and I love first hour (bar fight, young Drake) and from the airplane sequence onwards but I just think the rest of it just sort of meanders along without as much purpose as 2.

When it comes to the script, you can feel the absence of Neil Druckmann and Josh Scherr (writer on every other console Uncharted game). Drake gets hit in the face, and the game goes on a random side plot for an hour to give you some boat set-pieces. He then washes up on a beach close to where Elena is staying to get you back to the real plot. Drake just says "How convenient" to try make you laugh off how sloppy the plot got.

In retrospect, I'm not sure if Naughty Dog were ready to work on 2 different games at once. 3 clearly had production issues that 1 and 2 didn't have, and Hennig's version of 4 didn't work out. They had to crunch so hard to get the rebooted version done on time that Bruce Straley gave up making video-games.

coolbeans905d ago

I'll give you some props for the extra analysis. I remember Druckmann climbing his way to a writer spot in UC2, but wasn't aware of Josh Scherr. I didn't know that was the reason for Straley's departure either. That's pretty damn rough.

GhostofHorizon905d ago

They had to make some weird choices as far as story went because the actor for Cutter had to bail which left a few holes in the story.

Uncharted is one of my favourite series and while the leap from 2 to 3 was not nearly as big as the leap from 1 to 2, I think it was an amazing experience none the less.

coolbeans905d ago

Graham McTavish's departure wasn't easy, but I don't think that would fix many holes tbh. Because the main issue to consider is the precarious mindset Naughty Dog was operating on: an increased emphasis in set pieces that HAD to go in and worrying about the context later.

Petebloodyonion905d ago

I really liked part 3 ( Among Thieves is still the best in my opinion) My only complaint was the interactions with the villains and how they were a missed opportunity, Linda MacMahon (Marlowe) was an interesting antagonist due to the history with Sully and Nate but it fails basically flat especially with her ending. And I couldn't care about Navaro 2.0.

What I did love and made me care was Cutter, in the short time he was in the game you could feel that the guy was a good treasure hunter for example when he pulled his own notebook with the clues he founds so the team can escape a room.
It was a small touch that add a lot to the character.

Good-Smurf905d ago

Marlowe was played by Rosalind Ayres.

MadLad905d ago (Edited 905d ago )

I have mixed feelings on the series. I still own all of them on the PS3, and the collection for PS4, but I didn't truly "love" any of the games until 4.

They're good games, but they always stumble on some element.
The first is good, but the climbing mechanics weren't exactly fine tuned with the first showing. Not to mention the spongey enemies if you played on anything past normal; but you're then faced with a fairly unchallenging game experience.
The second mostly fixed the climbing, but added in a pretty clumsy stealth mechanic.
Three was just two with a new story.

Four got it right though.
I don't remember once getting annoyed by any mechanic had in the game.

I know that everyone has a soft spot for 2, and 3 is sort of the black sheep of the series; but they did, overall, get progressively better. Which doesn't always happen.

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Ranking the Uncharted Games From Worst to Best

KeenGamer: "Which Uncharted game is the best? Uncharted is widely recognized as one of the most groundbreaking and consistently great franchises in gaming. For both long-time fans and newcomers to this action-adventure classic, here’s a ranking of the franchise’s four main games."

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Kyizen1004d ago

UC 2, 4, 3 and 1. Great read and article

ABizzel11003d ago

No Golden Abyss -_-, otherwise I agree with the order.

UC2: Best overall
UC4: Best graphics, best gameplay, best locations, best environements
UC3: Best set pieces IMO (the boat and desert fights will always be amazing)
UC1: A rough Draft of what was to come
UCGA: Basically UC1 on Vita

Levii_921004d ago (Edited 1004d ago )

Great list and great article nicely writen and explained. Although for me personaly i would put Drakes Fortune above Drake’s Deception and Uncharted 4 is absolutely my favourite of the franchise and number 1 for me.

Inverno1004d ago

U2 is the only game playable on crushing without causing a great amount of frustration. Not to mention just how much influence it had that they redid some of U2s set pieces like the caravan twice, and armored truck chase in U4.

DFresh1004d ago (Edited 1004d ago )

I'd rate it as the following.

1.) Uncharted 2
(Close to perfection of any game I've played in years. Single Player/Multiplayer/Co Op all amazing.)

2.) Uncharted 3
(On par with UC2 multiplayer/co op wise minus the kickbacks [aka killstreaks]. I really liked the Lawrence of Arabia story.)

3.) Uncharted 4
(Single player is amazing. Multiplayer was meh. Co Op had potential. Absolutely hated the health revive system it slowed down the game way too much. Always preferred the fast pace action of UC2/UC3. Made it way more fun that way. Recoil was too ridiculous that most people in lobbies would only do hip firing, using power weapons and using that OP grappling hook to melee people after dropping them. Nobody wanted to revive anyone.)

4.) Uncharted
(It's the first in the series so it's hard to judge. Though I loved the story.)

NecrumOddBoy1003d ago

I agree here but it’s also a series you can play from front to back and truly enjoy. Story-wise, they are all great and flow so well. I wish they threw both Golden Abyss and Lost Legacy on this list. Lost Legacy is the best mechanically in my opinion. You can see it’s stepping stone framework for TLOUS2.

Michiel19891003d ago

uncharted 2 is one of the few games that actually surpassed its pre-release hype.

medman1003d ago (Edited 1003d ago )

I am a single player gamer...I barely ever touch a multiplayer component. The only exceptions over the years have been the Mass Effect 3 multiplayer, TLOU factions, and the Uncharted 2 multiplayer. The Uncharted 2 multiplayer saw me spend more time playing it than all my other multiplayer experiences over the years combined. That game really was a masterpiece all around.

brando0081003d ago

I agree completely, those are all stellar MP experiences, coming from another SP gamer who only occasionally gives MP some time.

Gardenia1004d ago

Come to think of it, the step between Uncharted 1 and Uncharted 2 is huge. It goes from the weakest in the series to one of the best games ever made.
I think I'm going to play all of them again soon.

Ninver1003d ago

Yeah all of a sudden I've got that Uncharted itch.

Michiel19891003d ago

is multiplayer still up for the remastered trilogy? or did it never have UC2 mp?

Ninver1003d ago

@michiel1989

Not sure

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