Gaming Irresponsibly's Ryan Hillis discusses the pros and cons of the used game market, and how it effects developers and the video game industry.
"It doesn’t seem fair to the creators and producers of these games that GameStop and other companies are making money off of to benefit from their sales while those in charge of creating the game sit by short changed." It doesn't seem fair to me that disc-based games launch at a $60 price either. $40 would be the sweet spot for me.
Yeah, I like that idea too.
Better idea. Don't ever buy second hand as it hurts devs more just pirate the game day 1 instead. /s The title alone is fail. Pre-owned game sales are not good for the industry but piracy is way worse.
$40 would be nice but games haven't been that low since PS1. PC titles do it a little more often though...
Unless you want the quality of your games to drop, the price will have to stay.
nobody force you to game! high prices is never an excuse for stealing! plus, use game cost about the same as new ones in most places! old games come down in price after awhile. so, if you don't want to pay $60, rent 1st or wait for it to drop!
Some games I have no problem paying $60 for. Others like Portal 2 should be $40. I bought Portal 2 a couple weeks after it came out on sale for $40. No need to buy used games. Most games seem to go on sale after a few weeks.
I really dont see how used games could ever hurt the industry more than piracy. They both have their negative effects but for a used copy to exist someone must purchase a new copy. Unlike piracy were there is a mass download of the title with little or no indication if the user will actually purchase the game at some point. Companies make money off some one else's work but that can be said for just about everything. Sure thats a very worn out excuse but there are vast majority of thrift stores, record stores, movie stores, car dealerships, houses, furniture and on and on. The monetary value and profit is quite vast and varied with different products but devs get paid for the original sale before the game becomes used so the majority of complaints seem shallow to me.
I think a pirate game the user never intended to buy the game where a used sale is a potential sale.
@testerg35 Not true. I've pirated plenty of games, but I ended up buying most of them. Piracy is a good option for trying out a game that does not have a demo, and is actually beneficial in some cases. Had I not pirated those games, I never would have bought them or checked them out in the first place.
i call bravo sierra on that, as long as there has been a video game market there has been used game market.
It seems like he means the used games profit the retailer 100% and the new benefit retailer and dev. Some people only buy used so the devs lose out
just like used car dealerships, yet you don't see ford complaining. for everything you can buy new there is a used alternative, i don't see why video games should be different.
Used car dealerships don't just take $5 off a used car. They're priced significantly less. So It actually is a very different situation.
how about giving players the incentive to not trade in or sell their games....every dev charges $60 a pop for a game, yet i can take a game like Oblivion and spend weeks/months/years on the story...then i look at a game like CoD, i can finish the SP in one sitting or other games that cater to SP....it seems as though that 10 hours for a SP campaign is some sort of accomplishment this generation....i find it weak and its one of the reasons that people sell their games...they play it, get the most out of it and then get bored, why not find something else to try, but putting down $60 again can be too much for most gamers, its basic economics, save money, be more cost effective
Yes! I hate buying a game that I can't spend at least a month playing. Castlevania Harmony Of Despair has wasted over 300 hours of my time. The game and all it's addons were worth more to me than almost every FPS I bought last year
Think that Game Stop should have to pay a fee to sell a used copy of a game? I don't know because it doesn't affect me at all, I buy most all of my games new.
maybe they need to work out something with the stores, though why the gaming industry feels it needs special treatment i don't know. but they really need to stay the fuck away from our rights.
So Devs are complaining that they aren't 'double dipping' ? Second hand games were originally purchased NEW to begin with, the developers just want to be greedy and 'double dip'. As far as piracy hurting videogame sales. - No one knows how much of an impact piracy has on sales, it may be small. If a person pirates a game, that doesn't automatically mean 1 lost sale. That person may not have ever purchased it in the first place, if he couldn't pirate it, therefore no impact on sales. Thing is we don't know.
i would absolutely argue one statement made in that article. "Too many people are not getting what is rightfully theirs due to a flawed system" what is rightfully theirs is what they get from every single copy of the game. they get their fair share when the game is sold. they make the game and they sell it, that's their business. that's what every other media gets. what we do with OUR PROPERTY, that we bought and paid for has bugger all to do with the publisher, they lose their right to have any say once we've paid for that disc, or cartridge or whatever. also, THIS IS LEGAL. we have a legal right to resell our property. i'm sure having pepsi having to compete with coca cola is bad for their business, but that's just something they have to accept that as part of the business they're in. it's the same with gaming, they have to accept what is a perfectly legal part of the market. why does gaming think it deserves special rules? why does gaming think its profit take precedent over our rights? gaming got to be the industry it is with the preowned market right beside it from the beginning. now when the slowdown that almost every other industry suffered finally reaches gaming, suddenly this 100% legal market is deemed wrong? fuck that noise. this short sighted greed on the part of the publisher always ignores the benefits of trading in. and like all excessive greed will eventually end up losing them money rather than making it. like most trade ins going towards new game purchases, take that away and you have less new games sold. preowned profits subsidize the store's ability to sell new games below rrp, take that away and , once again, less new game sales. and what if the stores rely on that money to remain in business, if they shut down, you're left with supermarkets and big chain stores, who will use their position to demand lower prices from the publisher, just like they do with many products they sell. that may result in more games sales when supermarkets sell the games cheaper, but that cuts the profit margin on each copy of the game. something i don't think the publishers would like. if the publisher isn't making enough money, then either they need to be more efficient or get into another less risky business. you do not fuck with our rights because you're not doing your fucking job well enough.
apparently my comment was too long. so it continues here. it's funny, they go on about piracy, which is essence people not respecting their rights, how it's so bad for the industry. and yeah, they're right, that's one thing i do agree with them on. but they prove themselves to be self serving, hypocritical, lying sacks of shit when they don't respect ours. is piracy in fact a just punishment for illegal drm? i mean freedom is a right, yet that right will be taken away if you commit a crime. but then again, not really, because it's not just the publisher who suffers, all the people doing the actual work to make the product will suffer. why should they be punished for the decisions of their greedy fuckbag publisher? what i'd like is a criminal sentence for management of publishers who violate our rights. imagine if the technology was available to lock books to single users, i mean, if it's good for gaming it must be ood for other media right? well congratulations, you just destroyed the library. which one you say? ALL OF THEM. yes, culture, education, history, all those kind of things, sacrificed on the alter of some cunt publisher's greed. that's so a world i want to live in. /s
@hazelamy Best argumentation yet on this subject....and a very important comment cause these arguments are also underlying the Cloud gaming nightmare. Publishers and lobbyists for Cloud gaming probably also stimulate undermining the 2nd hand market and promote lies about the 'pro comfort' of Cloud gaming and the 'badness' of the 2nd hand markets instead of having an honest discussion about the devastating consequences of Cloud gaming on indie development and the hardware industry relating to diminishing acces to real information in society and the loss of ownership/offline review possibilities.
I am just wondering why the person that benefits from the "double dip" isn't the creator of the "chip".
I use Gamefly to buy all my games with the rent and buy program. I will keep buying my games like that untill they force digital downloads. I also use ebay to buy used games and wont stop. I don't care what the publishers think of it.
The devs can kiss my ass. Once I own a game I should be able to sell it to someone else if I so desire. If they don't like it, then offer discounts for digital downloads.
Mortal Kombat's online pass is mentioned in this article. I might be a little more sympathetic toward the people behind that game if they hadn't locked content on the disc and charged money to unlock it. Gamestop, on the other hand, gives out free online passes with used copies of MK. They're notorious for screwing people on trade-ins, but you have to ask yourself, in this situation who's really taking care of their customers, here? If you love a studio and want to show your support, that's pretty admirable, but just think about how badly some of these guys treat their fans. If you were on fire, they'd ask for five bucks before they'd piss on you to put it out.
Attention people whining about used games: You are hereby no longer allowed to buy used cars, books, dvds, cds, etc, or homes that are not brand new with no previous owners. You are also hereby prohibited from pawnshops, antique stores and flea markets. That is all.
Didn't realize you had that authority. May I offer my apologies.
Anybody who bitches about used games like a little girl and then does any of the things listed above is a hypocrite and has no credibility in the used games debate.
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