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Submitted by man0fsteel 1242d ago | interview

Discussing the Killzone 3 Beta With the Best of the Best, Rayed_X

PS Unlimited Writes: Those of you that were lucky enough to get into the Killzone 3 Beta late last month were fortunate to have a small sneak peak of the multiplayer for the upcoming game bound for an early 2011 release.

Now i’m sure by now, you’ve read many impressions showcasing the many positive & negatives of this multiplayer beta. In many ways the team at Guerilla seemed to include in this verison of the game what many critics of the first mulitplayer asked for. At the same token, Killzone 2 fanatics feared the act of the game selling out to the mainstream since in this day in age in modern gaming, popular games such as Call of Duty seems to be appealing to the general first person shooter masses.

We at PlayStation Unlimited decided to take it a step further by finding out how one of the best Killzone 2 players in the world feels about the beta in comparison to the original PS3 game. Meet RayeD_X of Saudi Arabia… the Number 2 Killzone 2 player in the world. (Killzone 3, PS3)

Da Ill One  +   1242d ago
Dude is just pissed cuz he sucks at KZ 3...I was ranked in the top ten for a long while in KZ 2, and KZ 3 is much better...the mechs aren't overpowered if you know how to hide and shoot properly...and who cares about a class name change so fucking what...suck it up buttercup...the only thing I will agree with is the mechs and jetpacks need to run out of ammo also... especially the jetpacks...everything else is an improvement in my opinion.and it's nothing like Call of Duty...
A Cupcake for Gabe  +   1242d ago
Wow, these guys basically called the game a crap. I personal think the improvements are good. It's a beta and they seem to trash it like it's releasing tomorrow. They seem to hate COD though. I am sure the controls wouldn't of changed if the COD fans didn't complain.

Also, I dont get this "no one shoots from the hip" crap. Isnt it important to aim down your sites?

And on SPAWN CAMPERS? I only had experienced this a couple times. It is not at all an issue like they make it out to be.

I really think this article is made to hurt KZ3. The wording is definitely set up to make this game look bad, and that is sad. The KZ3 beta is very fun and definitely still Killzone. It still has weight, still has some recoil, but I is opening it's self up to millions who can now transistion from COD.

Quit being a selfish.
Cevapi88  +   1242d ago
am i the only one getting sick and tired of the same stupid argument of controls being beaten to death when it comes to kz2/3? i mean seriously, this has been the number 1 thing that people bitch about again and again...these people need to play botzone more often to hone in their skills and get a good feel for the game...once you master the controls, the game is very immersive, just play operations in the beta...it never gets old

i would wonder how all these critics would react if they shot off real guns?

ohh too much recoil, i missed the target, it was the guns fault, i ended up with a black eye...after playing CoD i can conclude that real guns lack the reality of real guns in a game portraying reality with real events

yo dawg meme...thats right
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hay  +   1242d ago
@Da Ill One: I suck at KZ3 but I think is sh!tload of fun. So I declare those guys as whiners.
Game looks great, plays like a dream, there's deep mechanic system that keeps you playing, diversive gameplay, it's huge improvement over previous iteration.

I'm not much into online shooters, but I think I'll stick with KZ3 for a bit longer.

Didn't have any problems with spawn campers, I shot from the hip many times. My only problem was one time some german guy wouldn't shut up and kept talking in his native language.
Serious problem, aye? /s
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-Alpha  +   1241d ago
He isn't the only one expressing this opinion. Numerous people on the forums are. On N4G the reaction is opposite. But his opinion is no more less valuable than yours.

You guys resort to trashing the guy's opinion, yet never ever actually address them.

There are concerning issues with the game. A beta is for critical feedback, and I'm afraid people have their ears plugged and eyes shut to actually do that
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Cevapi88  +   1241d ago
if by serious concerns you mean the controls, then no you are not being serious as that is not a serious concern...GG should focus more on matchmaking and the unlock system...i personally liked the classes the way they were in kz2...certain classes right now in the beta can be overpowered...you can level up the infiltrator class and the opposing team will have a hard time figuring it out since when you do a melee on them, the infiltrator stays in his disguise...switching up witch weapons you start with each class takes some time getting used to, but once you get a feel for each weapon it shouldnt be that hard
BeOneWithTheGun  +   1242d ago
This guy is on crack. As the person above stated the only thing I would change is not having unlimited ammo in the mechs. Jet packs should stay the same I think.

And speaking of mechs, how cool would it be if they had a wide open map that was mech and jet pack only? Lawd, call me in sick to work now!
vhero  +   1242d ago
I love the BETA although I ain't tried online I preferer bots right now till I get used to the controls etc I am loving it. A step above Black Ops that's for sure.
DigitalAnalog  +   1242d ago
The guys argument is legit.
Nearly half the things he said were the EXACT reasons why I loved Killzone 2. To be honest, I wouldn't be playing Resistance 2 or any other FPS if it wasn't for Killzone 2.

I really admire him for acknowledging the game would be very "call of duty" like. For me, Killzone would lose it's "uniqueness" because of that and even I may be detered from getting this game because of it (or at least in the multi-player).

As for my final remake, I really hate playing Killzone 2 as of now. The first 2 weeks upon release was one of the best multi-player experience I had (until they released the garbage "High-Pricsision-Aiming for stupid COD-noobs" option)

All in all, guy is a real Killzone 2 fan. That's what I see in him. All the way from Saudi Arabia, nice!

-End of Line
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United4Life  +   1242d ago
Killionaire is better
NecrumSlavery  +   1241d ago
I think that guy is a booster. he was like a million points above the #2 guy after a week.
49erguy  +   1241d ago
god DAMN this guy doesn't like shit! He honestly HATES everything about KZ3! Down to them changing the name from scout to marksman (good move IMO).

This guy has no opinions. In a nutshell he doesn't like it because its not Killzone 2. Terrible interview, fuck him.
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man0fsteel  +   1242d ago
definitely did not think the game is crap , if you see the difference between my questions an his,and my conclusion. I thought the opposite.
ALFAxD_CENTAURO  +   1242d ago
Well, somehow is right.

In KZ2 you need skills to master the way to play and the controllers, unlike other shooters.

In KZ3 is more easy for any player. And that is the way I feel it since the 1st day I'm playing KZ3 beta.

Also they need to add Recoil, but I think it is already reported in KZ Forums.

The System to upgrade and to get new stuff it is more like MAG than COD. But this guy think it is like COD.
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xYLeinen  +   1242d ago
You're not supposed to master the controls but the game mate >_>
zireno  +   1242d ago
I'm sorry but this guy is full of s**t, I mean, is he serious?! the controls are different between kz2 and kz3 beta, but he does not understand the difference between lag and weight. From my experience playing the beta, what guerrilla games did was remove the lag on the controls, the weightiness is still present, and I think it's much much better this way, and to say that it feels like COD and BBC2 is pure bs, those games are very different control wise, COD is very fast and arcadey while BBC2 has that weighty feel (which is great), and he is putting those games in the same category? come on, I kind of expected a bit more intelligence from one of "the top kz2 players".

kz3 beta is pretty sweet, the controls are much better this way, very very little lag between input and movement and the weight is present.
TurismoGTR  +   1242d ago
Killzone 3 beta is pretty amazing. After I make this comment, I'm about to play again. It's pretty addicting.

Im gonna give you all my feedback & Review of K3 Beta.

Pros
*Nice Multiplayer Map Design
*Very Balanced
*Graphics Are Phenomenal
*Controls Are Crazy Good
*Gameplay Feels & Plays Very SMOOTH!
*No Lag, Or Little.
*No Glitches.... yet.
*Pretty Addictive
*Game Modes are fun and you dont wanna stop!
*XMB Music Background (Many games doesn't add this feature for some reason like Call Of Duty)
+Much More

Cons
*Long Loading Screens
*ISA & Helgast looks similar.. It takes a good 3-5 seconds to figure it's the enemy.

Killzone 3 Beta gets a 9.8/10
AWESOME!
visualb  +   1242d ago
how's the camping? He mentions there's a lot of it?

@*ISA & Helgast looks similar.. It takes a good 3-5 seconds to figure it's the enemy.

did you play KZ2 MP? they always did, you get used to it, just shoot red if you are blue and vice versa =)
pupa  +   1242d ago
Well when I started to play my first KZ3 game, the frozen dam, I was alone against three others. They camped the base spawn point with a Mechs and jet packs and shot every re-spawning mech on my side and myself. That gave me a sad/bad taste.
visualb  +   1242d ago
ah ok, well fair enough with such few players it'd be likely they'd just f*ck around

with more I'm sure things will go better =)

I hope they make the spawn camping useless though....
raztad  +   1241d ago
@pupa

Perhaps was a miswording but Frozem Dam has no Mechs or jetpacks.

In fact there is not (in the beta) a single map having both mechs and jetpacks together, and Frozem Dam has none.

Regarding the camping. The only time I had problem with base camping was in Corinth Highway. It was the first time I played that map. People was just learning how to play, didnt know how to beat mechs, and didnt how to use the Tactical Spawn Points. Later on, the situation become a lot more enjoyable with more experienced players. The camping issue is over exaggerated by KZ2 zealots that want no changes in the spawn system.
NecrumSlavery  +   1241d ago
Camping is not an issue. This isn't Nuketown.

Also, on the difference between ISA/Helgast. One team looks like Blue Tron players and the other like Darth Vader with Red eyes.

This game is good. The beta feels like killzone but now more adaptive for others. It isn't casual at all. Also why are they whining about aiming? I always aim down my sites unless I'm in a CQB situation.

I agree the jetpack should be limited on ammo.

The mech is powerful, but you also extremely vulnerable when in it.
Overall, I have more fun with the gameplay in KZ3 beta than I did with any other shooter this year.

And Operations is the best MP mode ever. Ita like an advancement mission like BFBC does but with different objectives and badass cutscenes.
redsquad  +   1242d ago
Definately agree with you on how similar the ISA and Helghans look at first - I did get used to it after a few matches though.
visualb  +   1242d ago
wow...for the 2nd best KZ2 player he sure sounds like a big KZ troll =|

of course he won't like the changes...anyone who plays KZ2 that much gets too hooked and used to what are essentially problems:

control delay
smallish maps
choke points

and now with the changes, he won't find it easy to adapt =| + he complains of mechs and jet packs, but where are the complaints of the over powered assault class that has been removed?

tbh, this is just a very unhappy camper (no pun intended) - I guess he won't be 2nd best in KZ3 xD
jneul  +   1242d ago
i like the changes, you still do have weight, they just made the controls slightly easier but in no way is it like cod, i could hop in and be on top straight away with cod and im a girl, with killzone it takes time to tune your skills in, so far i love kz3 beta maps much bigger, matches 10 mins long, and i get more kills and point this time, it took forever to get a lvl up on kz2 multiplayer hence i lost interest
jneul  +   1240d ago
if you disagreed i hope u was one of the 20 helghast i killed tonight, thankyou :-p
clintos59  +   1242d ago
Man like any effin game what do u do if u want to become better? U have to adapt to it no matter if there has been a few changes. A good example is Uncharted 2 online. I was one of the many that loved the beta but after one of the updates I understand why alot of the ppl who played in the beta didnt like the change including myself but if u truelly love the series your going to find a way to adapt & prove that u can still be good no matter what changes has been done.
clintos59  +   1242d ago
Also in killzone 3 there are alot of campers but as a rusher I love it because it just makes the challenge alot sweeter especially when u penetrate your way through & dismantle their team, I made a few friends that ask me how I do it. As a rusher u really gotta watch out for mines because effin snipers use it alot. I just guess where the mines if I cant see them & toss a nade to blow it up & I just run in kamikazi style gun blazing, trust me, "It works every now & then" LOL. But I enjoy rushing, I rush in every fps game even tps games like uc2 & geow2. The way I look at it for die hard killzone 2 fans they may not like the changes but I really think GG has a good game coming with kz3 that will attract even more people and to me that is a good thing. GG deserves more sales dont u agree number 2 ranked crybaby? Then STFU & learn how to adapt. If u are so good then u should be able to still rank high even with the changes but I hope I run into u so I can pick your eyes out while u camping lol.
gijsbrecht  +   1242d ago
I still play KZ2 on a very regular basis and simply love its controls, so I understand where these guys are coming from; even more when they are so good at it. But I had the oportunity to play the KZ3 beta at a friend's and it doesn't play anything like CoD. That's just bull. I do like how it handles and the weight is still there, so I'm good. And the graphics are really a step up in relation to KZ2. Simply amazing, really.
It will just be a fact that GG can't please everyone. But I'm sure they will find a good middleground. Personally I like the direction they are heading.
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The_Nameless_One  +   1242d ago
He is a KZ2 purist. He want's the dev team to make the same game all over. The control scheme put off so many players that it hurt the sales of this game.

Next Subject!
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Pentex  +   1242d ago
The best of the best?
Sounds like the best whiner among whiners and best douchebag too. Who gave the title of "best" anything to this guy anyway?
pupa  +   1242d ago
Well I agree with the interviewee in many ways, once you are used to KZ2 then KZ3 plays a bit Shitty. It's to easy. I presume they have to cater for the mass juvenile idiots. It took me a while to master KZ2 and become proficient. KZ3 just happened. It's to easy. Base camping with a mech/Jetpack with infinite amo in KZ3 is possible and just plain ridiculous. The removal of spawn grenades was exactly to counter base camping, now in KZ3 its easier than ever.

@ Pentex, Only douchbag I noted was the person asking [Who gave the title of "best" anything to this guy anyway?] Ever heard of statistics?
Pentex  +   1242d ago
The interview wouldn't be a stream of whining if the interviewee wasn't as big of an idiot as the interviewer. As for statistics, being number 1 in every single game around is only a matter of playing more than other players. I'm not saying he's not good, but i'm pretty sure you can't measure quality just by how much time you put into a game.
man0fsteel  +   1241d ago
Well when I drafted these questions, I thought that id get a response more to the likes that "oh the beta is awesome" and so forth , I personally think that the beta is awesome despite what this guy thinks. The point is that I was hoping to get some essential feedback from some one who played the last game more than anyone in the world . Not that his opinions are the end all statements to this game. Wished you actually read my responses and conclusion.

Idiot interviewer :)
Pentex  +   1241d ago
Nothing personal :P I thought the interview was a bit informal at places and the only reason for me to say what i did was that i think you led him a little bit, notably by agreeing with him and offering a view of your own.

Random *insert derogatory name of your choice* commenter
man0fsteel  +   1241d ago
Its alright, :) The ONLY thing I really agreed with him on was his respnse about the Mechs. There are times that i'd would be just peeking out the window, or just in the middle of a firefight to only be blasted from basically a "camping" Mech from the outside.

Plus the questions I initiated were positive while his took the negative approach

"The graphics… wow… agreed?"
his response
I really believe the graphics are on the same level of Killzone 2 graphics , they only added the snow and improved the water effects.

Me: What do you think of the Brand new melee death sequences? (Bad-ass aren’t they?)

Rayed: I really was hoping this new melee will be exclusive for the Story mode , because it takes no skills to melee someone on the multiplayers and takes a lot of the time too . Also no one can fight back like Killzone 2 , only press L1 and it’ll do all the job for you ! and don’t forget that someone else will stand behind you waiting you to finish your melee *laughs*"

TC: I don’t know if it’s just me, but the maps feel more spacious than its predecessor (Which I do like). But at the same time it feels like it doesn’t take too long to get into the action, whereas in Killzone 2 it felt in some maps as if you would have to run for” miles” just to get into the fray. How do you feel about the maps included in the beta?

RX: I feel like these maps benefits campers . I feel like they want everyone to camp . Also they made a great maps for the jetpacks & mech to rule . Also Killzone 2 is for 32 players and now they made it for 26 players with bigger maps , everything is unbalanced"

"Me: Some players fear that the game feels like Call of Duty (which I personally disagree that it does). Is there any indication that it does?

Rayed: It really feels like Call Of Duty & Bad Company in so many ways such as, the control , no heavyweight , no recoil ,no hip-firing , only Aiming down the sights, campers ..The new squad is like Bad Company , the new XP system ,they’ve added the killstreaks , when you have no ammo you’ll see a message on the screen telling you *laughs* and everything is overpowering and so easy to use .

Me: Eh. To each his own "

No reason for people to get mad though. Still Killzone 3 is a MUST BUY . If you saw his answer to my question "If you are going to purchase Killzone 3" day one, you'd be appalled.
vv_ajax_vv  +   1241d ago
Look RayeD is a pompous assclown, no doubt about it. Having a conversation with him is like talking to a 4 year old. But......the man knows Killzone. Anyone that manages a K/PH of over 200 and a KD/R over 2.00 for over 2 years, knows a thing or two about playing the Killzone series.

Now, he's right on target about many things in the beta. The Tactical Spawn Points are pure camp fests. The mechs are GROSSLY overpowered. They base rape to the point that the game ends when they arrive at the opponents base. If you doubt me, watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Anybody that thinks this sort of game play is better than KZ2 is smoking crack.

The Tactician now just plays Capture and Hold the whole game and uses what is basically a "wall hack" of Spot and Mark. The whole class has been gutted. The LMG is beyond overpowered. C4 is invisible and can be tossed all over the map. But what's worse, it's available in the ammo boxes so it never runs out and it literally covers the entrances to the TSP's. It's beyond stupid. The brutal melee loses it's appeal very quickly since you can use it when you're barely even close to your opponent, and it takes so long you wind up getting killed or even melee'd yourself waiting for the cut scene to end. The maps are bigger, but they took away the ability to run more than a few steps, yet they gave the infiltrator class unlimited run so they own the game. Everyone that wants to pwn in this game is an infiltrator because they are by far the strongest class.

But the WORST part is that the Match Making is pure garbage. I've played most of my games in totally screwed up matches where it's 7v2, 5v1, and one game was 9v0. This is pure unadulterated crap.

The beta is so bad that out of the 24 people on my FL that got the beta, only 3 are still playing. Most of the games are practically empty and the fact of the matter is that the game is predictable and it's down right boring after a few days.

By the way, the controls are fine...just like all the other FPS controls. Nothing but average for the average casual gamers.

The game is broken and anyone that tells you otherwise has no idea how good KZ2 was compared to this crap. The game is now for casual gamers and it will die on the vine in a few months of release. The COD, BFBC players will play KZ3 for awhile, then run back to their COD and BFBC. Honestly...I don't blame them.

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