Why Saw II has a chance at success in terms of graphics and a chance of failure in terms of every thing else.
They're using the Unreal Engine so their graphics will still be garbage. Just shiny, rubbery garbage.
The UE3 can make really good looking games. Gears of War, Unreal Tournament 3 (2007), Singularity, Batman: AA and so on. Then there are games like Turok and Section 8 that looks like shit.
Came here to say the same thing. Unreal Engine 3 games are still an eyesore for me.
Thats because you're attracted to a lot of no-talent devs. I can go on and on about the beautiful games that use the engine, but Gears 3 says it all. If the game looks like garbage to you then blame the devs not the tech. Hopefully this won't have to be explained again, but I doubt it.
ts a great engine! Versatile to the point nothing out comes close. I'm sure the hater's favorite engine is a one trick pony. Hit disagree if you agree xD
@King Hippo Batman: AA and Mass Effect 2 say hi...
mass effect 2 uses unreal engine o.o i did not knew that thanx
To an extent I agree with the OP. But the Unreal 3 engine certainly helps a lot of devs cut down on using either a REALLY bad engine or pumping tons of money into their own and having it wasted on just their own game. It's a staple engine that in the wrong hands has potential to look absolutely horrible (The Punisher PSN game, Sector 8, Saw 1 and I'm sure there's plenty of other examples here). In the right hands you get some great games that do look fairly good (Mirror's Edge, Bioshock, Batman: AA, Gears, Mass Effect, etc.). It has a few regular things that personally I don't like. Clay/Waxy looking characters and environments, mostly chunky character designs, no real draw distance, poor loading/streaming of textures and that's even in the best looking titles. So in the hands of poor devs you can be hit with even worse things than that. All that being said I was very surprised with the visual upgrade Saw 2 got, Saw wasn't good looking at all (the best thing was the water, in the game for all of about 1 minute), while it was technically ok it was one of the poorer looking games using UE3.
No longer :))) hahaha,..
I don't think the Unreal Engine 3 is really that great..
by that comment its obvious you havnt played gears of war 1 or 2 or seen gameplay or screens of gears of war 3
Uh yes I have.. well I have played gears 2
I have, Gears 1 was impressive... back in 2006, it truly was "next gen". Gears 2 wasn't even top tier when it was released and barely an upgrade over the original,. Gears 3 looks to be more of the same but with less grey. Gears of War's non-impact graphically may be more to uninspired art style than engine capabilities though. And, really, the only truly beautiful UE3 games are the Mass Effects and Arkham Asylum, with the rest ranging between "decent" and "ugly".
Wasn't top tier? Pfft, you're silly...
Bulletstorm is using Unreal Engine, and it looks pretty damn good imo.
Only ones who have a problem with Unreal Engine 3 are Sony Fan Boys Fact.
Only ones who don't are low standard 360 fanboys, fact.
That's why PC boys like it to. Cause they got low standard...(sarkasm)
Almost forgot about them.
must have got the rrod, buyers remorse huh?
Yes I admit I am a fanboy, but I don't lie out of my behind, I just don't think its all that great.. thats all
The first saw game was pretty good, the only main problem with the game was the horrible combat and combat controls. If they improve on this and make a more wide variety of puzzles Saw 2 could turn out to be a pretty good game.
I agree that games using UE3 has a little plastic touch to it... but there are games that look brilliant using this engine such as Gears, Mass Effect and Mirror's Edge
It really is all about who it is working with and using the UE3. And, this group at least has some experience with it (eight other games using UE3 under their belt).
but jesus shawnee smith is amazing. http://teenagethunder.files... om topic: the unreal engine is as good as the devs that use it.
i dont mind the unreal engine. personally i think UT3 on ps3 looks quite good. <maybe im the only one, i dont know>. however what i dont like it the chunky character models. sure in UT, Gears and Batman AA its fine. but i mean in mortal kombat Vs DC the females looked horrible. i dont know if this is because of the dev or the engine. if its the dev and im wrong please correct me :) no hard feelings.
I feel the same way about the character models. I couldn't even stand how it was every character in Batman AA (not just Batman) that had the chunky structure. Hopefully Saw II wont deviate too far from Saw I's character design.I never had a problem with that.
the only big dislike I have ever had with UE3 was the lighting...It has TERRIBLE sourcing...where shadows don't lineup with what should be the source of light...its obvious all through games like Gears 2 and Batman AA...where lights should be creating shadows around certain environmental things, or characters...and don't...or worse, when there is a generic character shadow under batman, that doesn't change when you pass under overhead lights...etc..that bs worked in the ps2 era, but shouldn't be around anymore... everything else is merely ok...great developers can get a lot out of it...but even Epic got caught with 2D particle effects and some other visual corner cutting problems in Gears 2 that are obviously more a weakness with the engine...than with the 360 specifically...
Let's be fair. There are some good looking games using UE3 and new ones incoming, like Enslaved:Nariko's Journey :D. j/k but the game looks nice.
Wait, I think the first game was also using Unreal 3.
I feel bad for these guys for some reason.
their first game was also UE3.
It doesn't even look close to realistic like the dev said.
Unreal Engine 3 is awesome. Very powerful & easy to use :)
Don't know when this trend for hating on Unreal engine started. I bet most people wouldn't even be able to tell if a game used it, unless they were told. In the end it comes down to the skill of the developers to make a game look good visually. examples of visually awesome games using Unreal: Batman: Arkham Asylum Mirror's Edge Bioshock Borderlands BTW, if the Unreal engine is so bad, why are all these developers using it?
In some of those situations it is obvious that UE3 is at work behind the scenes. Like in Batman AA. That one screamed UE3 at me (and I didn't like that about it). However, I didn't even know that Miiror's Edge used UE3 and I loved the look and feel of that game.
Was this looking at screenshots before the games release? Or when you first played it after seeing the big "powered by unreal" logo before the title screen?
I know what he means, Unreal Engine games do have a distinct style. I can never right out say "well, that's UE3", but something will stand out and I will then check to see what game engine it's running and, more often than not, it's UE3. Neither a negative or a positive this.
it most likely started around the time Gears 2 released...360 fanboys unanimously screaming it was the best looking game ever...that no other rendering engine could touch UE3...and that our moms all r belong to cliffy... and things like this surfaced... http://www.kineticninja.blo... its not that UE3 is that bad...its that the 360 purists constantly scream that its untouchable...Which hasn't been true since early 2007...and don't act like its still not happening...you have cez on here daily still saying no game has topped even gears 1 visually yet... also...many developers use it because its cheap, has excellent support from Epic...is cheap...is easy to use...and is...cheap...not because its anything remotely state of the art technology wise...
It's like some else guys compare.... It's not what engine you use, it's how you use it
Nah if your engine isn't good enough you want be able to get in deep enough to hit a wall, er, graphically.
I like Unreal Engine so go ahead and gang up on me and hold me down somewhere the prison guards can't see then rape me with a pool stick. Teach me right from wrong! Shove that thing deeper until I can't stand looking at anything but Killzone and Uncharted.
That was 1 sick comment.
lol wut? isn't that torture? its such an old engine, it must be bliss to work with but its slowly starting to age =(
I still wanna try the first one even tho its probably horrible i wanna give it a shot. The SAW series itself as really just died lately i wish it would just be let go and move on.
The reason people don't like unreal engine is because works bad on ps3 and Gears 1*&2 its only pc*/360
Still have no idea who had the "bright idea" to make Saw into a game. Ohh, a game where the only goal is to not die...that just screams fun
Saw wasn't THAT bad. It was a solid 7/10 game for me. Had a fair few issues but it did almost exactly what the movies do. It was structured very well really. That being said, if you had no interest in the movie series you would want to stay well clear as it just wouldn't be interesting at all. Me I love the Saw movies so I was going to enjoy the game somewhat no matter what.
What engine was it using before?
Same engine. I don't really know how it's news TBH and how the title works. But there was no way it was going to change engine considering the original game was released last year.
The Unreal Engine makes me wanna vomit. No game using the Unreal Engine 1 2 or 3 has won an award for best graphics and never will.
The first one was already on UE3, there is really no point for this "announcement" It was already clear from the first pictures and teasers we saw that its UE3 again
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