Microsoft Should Stop Talking About The PlayStation 3

Microsoft's business policy apparently includes trashing the competition. Maybe this isn't the most professional approach, and maybe they should just worry about themselves...

[- Ghost of Sparta -]

"Apparently, it's part of Microsoft's business policy to slam the competition using flawed arguments and irrelevant facts. How's about focusing on yourselves?"

Quoted for truth. Everyone chose to forget that Killzone 2 was released on February 27th lol. There are only 28 days in February but what else can you say about the situation? The 360 fanboys are desperate. They'll take a stab at Sony whenever they can, even if their arguments are invalid and moronic.

[Lfmesquite]

PS3 has been outsold in North America for like 8 months now.

It's just a joke, how some people are nuts.

[socomnick]

Sparta no matter how much you spin it the sales were weak. Compare the sales to Halo 3 first day sales, gears of war first day sales, Gears of war 2 first day sales, You will then see how small and weak the kz 2 sales really are. Heck next npd Halo wars a rts will outsell kz 2.

[morganfell]

When you can't talk about what you are then you have to resort to talking about what you believe the competition isn't.

Look, here is the simple fact of the matter. Microsoft has nothing this year. Nothing. 360 supporters can talk about some E3 announcement but no game worth anything has been a secret until E3 and then been announced and shipped that fall.

The fact of the matter this is Greenberg at his most unprofessional in a fit of desperation. Microsoft has nothing and they know if Sony cuts the price of the PS3 then the battle for second place will be over. Microsoft cannot slash the 360 price again and they know they will simply be buried.

[lowcarb]

We don't even know what's coming this year for Sony or MS so the whole list thing is dumb. Why don't you wait until E3 and save yourself the embarrasment of possibly being totally wrong. Right now PS3 has more games announced on the way, but do you seriously think they will all be out on time this year? MS is wrong for talking so much crap about SOny, but then again Sony did start it I guess. These companies should really focus on entertaiment and leave the fights put of gaming.

[eagle21]

"teh sales, teh sales..". Nintendo just cleared 10 million Wii Play in the US alone and Wii Fit over 14 million worldwide. So, since "teh sales" means better quality then halo epic failed to beat Wii Play.

"teh sales... :)

The PlayStation brand whooped microsoft with 600,000+ consumers in Febuary. So just shut up. :)

[Danja]

lol..wow seesm like all the 360 fanboys were just waiting on the NPD to rear there faces here again...

as for M$ they really have to talk about the Playstation what are they gonna talk about ? there really isn't anything positive to brag about the 360 other than outselling a system twice the price of there product...

[Montreafart]

I just lolled right there. Fanboys are so stuck up and stubborn. Its like talking to a wall.

Seriously, its March 2009. Almost April. If you dont know whats coming this year for your console with almost 8 months left in 2009, then you seriously need to consider selling your console because thats just pathetic.

"but, but, but...wait till E3" The simple fact is, the 360 HAS no games this year. You can see the trend if you look back two years and one year ago.

Last year, you waited a whole year for ONE GAME.
In 2007, you have 3 GAMES worth playing. Out of those 3 games, only 1 is a 360 exclusive.

Honestly it went from bad in 2007 to worse in 2008. And now you are hoping 2009 would suddenly see the situation improve by miles when the economy is in a recession, Steve Balmer fired half of the xbox division, the xbox division is on a much smaller budget than before, and they closed down half their first party studios...

Do toothfairies exists? Because thats the only way 360 will have anything remotely worth playing.

AND FOR THE RECORD, KILLZONE 2 WAS RELEASED IN EUROPE ON the 26TH FEBRUARY. In USA (NPD IS ABOUT US ONLY), KZ2 WAS RELEASED ON THE 27TH OF FEBRUARY! And you know its going to outsell anything on the 360 this year.

Killzone 2 has sold a million copies in two weeks. This is known, the fact that those numbers do not show up on NPD is logical. Halo wars sold 1 million copies in 3 weeks. So you know Killzone 2 did better despite NPD not showing it.

If youre a fanboy bashing, you really are just desperate and bashing.

[StephanieBBB]

Sales numbers you understand but you forgot about profit.

PS3: 400$ a console * 276,000 sales in february = 110 million profit.

Xbox 360: ~250$ a console * 391,000 sales in february = 97 million profit.

Sony made more money =)

[REbirth]

ive missed u guys...u are funny as hell!

[SL1M DADDY]

This article is spot on and it is a true showing of how the 360 fans have hit a lower than expected rep of stupidity. Sorry, I am a fan of both systems but if I were to even consider myself a fan of only the 360, the past two days of their idiocy would have had me denying I even owned a 360. Sorry, but to deny the strides Sony is making and how they help the industry strive all for the sake of bolstering the 360 is pathetic. MS and the 360 fanboys need to talk about the 360 and what it is bringing to the table more than they need to talk trash about the PS3. It only makes the fanboys look more and more stupid.

[rockleex]

Where were all these 360 fanboys when MGS4 sold 3 million units worldwide in one week?

*crickets chirp* ....

[t-dizzle]

You do realize that Sony LOSES money on every console sold, don't you??? Even after the big loss they took over RROD, MS is still in the Black with the 360!

http://www.crunchgear.com/2...

Edit: Nice to know that even when I provide evidence of what I am saying, people will still disagree.

[danfry]

Yeah, I agree. I think the only thing Microsoft can do now is try to slam the PS3, as they really have nothing to shout about to make themselves look good.

I hope for the sake of the 360 that they pull something out of their gaming sleeves for this year, at the moment it looks bleak.

Making sales in North America, whilst important; will not make or break a console. It's all about Global sales.

[lowcarb]

"Seriously, its March 2009. Almost April. If you dont know whats coming this year for your console with almost 8 months left in 2009, then you seriously need to consider selling your console because thats just pathetic.

"but, but, but...wait till E3" The simple fact is, the 360 HAS no games this year. You can see the trend if you look back two years and one year ago.

Last year, you waited a whole year for ONE GAME.
In 2007, you have 3 GAMES worth playing. Out of those 3 games, only 1 is a 360 exclusive."

So when PS3 had no games it was ok but when 360 has yet to announce it's lineup because they do buisness different there wrong lol? 1st off the 360 has better games and more games than PS3 regardeless of the spin your providing misses cry baby. Also why is it always a problem for sony fanboys wether or not if a 360 game is exclusive or going to pc? It looks as if you fools will say anything to keep your pride up. It's hilarious just reading posts like yours and alike. DO you people seriously think your making any sense? The reason you dont get many responses is because rational people read your comments and dont take you serious. Grow up and get off of Sony's nuts seriously. What are you a 3rd grader on hormone pills sheesh.

edit below: Please post some links showing when they started to and how much Sony has been profiting. Without links you sound like a mere fanboy caught up in the delusional SOny owns the word mentality. Also Global sales do matter but North America is the most important right now as far as numbers.

[danfry]

Manufacturing costs of the PS3 are falling all the time. Actually Sony have been profiting since around November last year.

[All-3]

Perhaps --> Sony should too eh?

Or are YOU or ANYONE ELSE going to actually believe that Sony isn't just-as-guilty?

Yeeeeeeesh!

[DeadIIIRed]

Wii Fit is the Halo Killer.

[Rainstorm81]

Sales DO NOT equal a good system. Games do. Where are all the 360 fanboys that argued that the ps3 had no games? If sales influence your system selection make sure you go get the number one system out the Nintendo Wii, If your into GREAT (not mediocre games) get a Playstation 3. If your into Halo and Gears get a Xbox360. its fairly simple. Sony has had the best games for two generations looks like they are going for a third.

[creatchee]

Here's what too many people fail to realize - these numbers are not acceptable for two day sales in this day and age of the gaming blockbuster. Gone are the days where game sales steadily increase month to month. We are in the Hollywood era where the big gross generally comes from first week sales and then slowly tapers off. Now I understand that KZ2 had strong week 2 sales, but that's probably going to be its biggest week of sales period. Then it will taper off like every other game - simple sales model.

But the problem is that KZ2 is the most hyped game ever released on the PS3. Look at all of the forum posts, the articles, the news stories. For KZ2 to only sell that many (even for 2 days) is not a good sign.

I love the game, but I don't think that it is going to move systems and discs like Sony hoped it would.

[NickIni]

The gaming industry is full of kids. They talk so much about the competition, it's not even funny.

See many other industries doing this?

Kudos to Nintendo so far this gen though.

[Major_Tom]

Haha, the usual suspects come out and say 2 days worth of sales is weak.

Don't listen to these guys, but do help clean up N4G remember to take their bubbles.

[cactuschef]

I play games, I dont sell them. Im surprised by how many people at n4g care so much about sales numbers. Its kinda sad because most, if not all of you guys, have no stake in either company.

[Saigon]

nothing else to say...he said it all...

[xwabbit]

lol when has the PS3 had no games ? every year we get more than new 2 fresh IP's lol

[callahan09]

You guys can talk all you want about how Halo 3 or Gears 2 or whatever other 360 game sold more in its first day than Killzone 2 sold... and I'll be playing a very fun videogame with no worries about whether the majority of PS3 owners went out on a Friday or Saturday at the end of February to buy the latest videogame. The game is selling well enough for my needs: there are more than enough people playing online, and that's all that matters for each of us who bought it to have a good time.

[N4PS3G]

Please do leave Sony and the PS3 out of your rants unless prompted, m'kay?- Article

that was classic .. he almost cried

[MURKERR]

its all smoke and mirrors, 360 is selling far less at its price than expected in its home territory, barely edging out the ps3 and getting whupped by the wii (which its also cheaper than), theres the ps3 price cut, the lack of exclusives, the fact it only sold 40k more of streetfighter despite its install base,

to me steinbergs losing the plot and with good reason to

[Lfmesquite]

Do something about it. They keep handing 360 the market share, with their over priced system that plays all the same third party games.

I keep watching Sony do nothing, I feel they deserve this bashing. And I hope it keeps coming.

[bobdog626]

Sony can do Better than this.Sony Get your act together .So many People trust in you and your Product . It's a Shame that your name is being dragged through the Mud and you do nothing about it.

[Rainstorm81]

They are doing what any video game console company should...... FOCUS ON MAKING GREAT GAMES.....GAMING IS ABOUT GAMES.... not false arguements. I challenge any xbox360 supporter to go game for game with me.

Infamous, Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2(microsoft owns the rights to NG2 so they are not the same game) GOW3, MAG, Killzone 2, Quantum Theory just to name a few.

[soxfan2005]

Despite the popular sentiment on this site, 360 actually has great games too, that is why it continues to sell very well. Look at Metacritic:

PS3 exclusives rated 90 or higher - 4
360 exclusives rated 90 or higher - 5

The whole "360 has no games" arguement is dead with the people that matter most - consumers (i.e. - the 99.9% of people who don't read these forums).

A good lineup on paper is NO guarantee of success, either. Just ask a New York Yankees fan. Wait until games actually get released instead of trying to predict how good they might be.

[Rainstorm81]

I agree. i passed judgement on a few of those games prematurely but nonetheless majority of those games will be unargueably groundbreaking. Actually only two Uncharted 2 and God of War 3. Uncharted wasn't touted by the media although its one of the best games this generation. The cool thing in the media is to bash ps3 so dont get me started on reviews. I have a link of someone compairing Gears of War 2 to Uncharted: Drakes Fortune and in every visual aspect it was better but gears2 graphics was rated higher in the media. Xbox360 US made and US favored so the media reflects that.
Last i never said xbox dosent have games i was implying from here on out we will see far BETTER games on ps3.

By the way im a Cowboys fan so i know about having a good lineup and losing lol.

[soxfan2005]

While there may be a little (very little) media bias, that is why I like to look at metacritic. By using 20, 30, or 40 different sources and averaging the scores, the biased review (both positive and negative) will have little to no impact on the final rating.

BTW -I'm also a Patriots fan. The 16-0 season followed by a Super Bowl loss was pretty painful.

[Why dis]

Poor Sony...

Poor PS3 fanboys...

Dam o'l mean MSFT what did Sony and fanboys ever do or ever say about anybody else? :(

Dam mean o'l MSFT shouldn't be talking smack because their in last place?

[TheColbertinator]

Hyuck Hyuck

[YungXclusive2K9]

Change Your UGLY ASS AVATAR AND STOP TROLLING B!TCH

[Montreafart]

Steve Balmer just took a giant dump on the xbox division. Why are these guys still talking trash lmao.

[talltony]

microsoft is just trying to act confident by taking jabs at the system with most upcoming exclusives. id probably be just as nervous if i were microsoft.

[Pennywise]

Poor Sony with their great software sales that makes more money than the hardware.

Poor sony who sells their machine with a profit unlike MS.

Poor Sony whos machine has the majority of the major multiplatform release last month.

Poor poor sony. Just a little glimpse of reality for you Why Dis, since we all know you live on the neverland ranch.

[blackbeld]

No.. Whydis...
You missing the point off the article..

The more Microsoft talk about PS3 the more that means they are jealous and they admitting they are loosing this gen again..

Folks are not gonna believe Microsoft anymore. Microsoft should make new plans for making more exclusive games... What i meant is not another Halo game but new games like Sony does..

[Major_Tom]

Microsoft is in second place, not first place. Since when does 2nd place talk smack to 3rd Place? Oh right, they just seem like the sore loser.

[likedamaster]

@Why Dis
Don't you dare change your avatar. That's my girl on there.

Anywhos, this happens when the sony hype train reaches an all time high and then fail to meet expectations and everyone else laughs about it. From 1st to Fail = Sony

[KILL-ALL-CURE]

And yet xbox fanboys complain about how Ps3 game commercials have the InGame Footage at the bottom right...showing what the xbox cant do.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

WAAAAHHHHHHHH!!! http://www.kleenex.com and like all Playstaton fans, I like to cry.

[socomnick]

Well, they can talk about who ever and whatever they wish, its their right. I don't think it makes them look any better but, its their right they can do what they wish. Also its not Microsoft , it seems its just Aron Greenburg that keeps making fun of sony.

[TreborRversed]

If Microsoft don't like it then why not get someone else to fill in his position.

[XxZxX]

you forgot about Mr shane Kim

[TheColbertinator]

Ahhh NPD day.Good laughs for the next few days.

[TheColbertinator]

Sony is just feeling the sting from their mistakes.As long as they make wrong moves(high price,lack of advertising,etc),they will get held in the line.

I wonder if they are even concerned with the 360 and Wii anymore.Sony is still concerned with making any profit with the PS3.

Anyway Killzone 2 and SO4 were good and kept me occupied for a while.

[Homicide]

You're starting to sound like QueefyB....this NPD was the best to date.

[DarK-SilV]

Homicide AGREED

[GreatTeacherOnizuka]

I just don't like how Sony advertised KZ2.
Great game with poor execution

[CoxMulder]

I remember this Steven Colbert fellow actually made some interesting posts back in the day (months ago, when i was still only lurking)

Guess he bumped his head pretty hard or something, because he's been spouting fanboy crap ever since..

It's a shame really..

[TheColbertinator]

Its not fandrone crap.Its just the truth.Its not the fault of Sony fans,its just the fault of Sony

[Major_Tom]

Colbert goes through his cycles, some days he's level headed and the rest well. It's self explained if you read his comment history.

[Homicide]

Welcome to the console wars. Both companies talk smack at each other. This is the perfect opportunity for Microsoft to trash the PS3 and KZ2.

[Aclay]

Aaron Greenberg loves to take shots at Sony, he's been doing it time and time again,so it didn't surprise me that he decided to do so this time.

Yeah, M$ has the right to say what they want, but when the tables were turned this time last year and the PS3 was outselling the 360 in the U.S., Sony definantly had more dignity and respect for their competition because I don't recall anyone at Sony bashing the 360 when the PS3 was outselling it this time last year.

And then when Greenberg mentioned declining PS2 sales year over year ( a system that has been out for 9 years) just to make himself feel better, it was just totally unnecessary. If he "tried" to diss the PS2... well, he totally FAILED. Regardless of how you spin it, there's no way you can diss a system like the PS2 that had one of the largest game library's and one of the best selling and one of the most successful systems of all time.

Since Microsoft hasn't had too many new games to talk about lately, I guess I'm not surprised they have nothing better to do than take cheapshots.

[dericb11]

Also keep in mind that the PS2 put the Xbox 1 out of the industry. Ans for a while outsold the 360.

[Narutone66]

that the 360 is competing with the PS2. Which it probably is, since it uses a last-gen optical drive.

[Bob Dole]

Don't the DVD's that the PS2 uses have more usable disc space than the 360 discs? Correct Bob Dole if he's wrong.

[Narutone66]

The DVD used in every Xbox 360 have other files included in the game, like maybe OS, which make the available space more limited than it is before. Remember, as one developer said, the Xbox 360 is just a dumb PC.

[Zeus Lee]

It's pretty pathetic that Aaron Greenberg seems to focus more on Sony's videogame business than Microsofts videogame business,I remember when Chris Paladino was still employed at Microsoft he wasn't as idiotic as Greenberg when it came to interviews.

Sad that the smart ones are the ones that were let go.

[Narutone66]

leaving MS, while the not-so-smart ones are the one defending it.

[Ilikegames76]

Open zone is --------------> way
You're way offensive to be mature, grow up.

[cactuschef]

You spelled Zeus wrong.

[Cenobia]

He also misused 'your' instead of 'you're.'

People calling other people retards should really check their spelling and grammar. Irony can be a b!tch.

[XDF]

"Next Generation doesn't start until we said so"

"The Xbox 360 is more of an Xbox 1.5 than a next generation console."

Hmmm I wonder who started these comments....

[PirateThom]

I wish Microsoft would focus on themselves, as well.

It's easy to point out a competitor's flaws and ignore your own.

[bobdog626]

But Sony can do better than this.There surpose to be The World Leader Right ,Im i Right.Well Act like it Sony and get your name out of the MUD.This is Embarrissing to you Name and the World see's it

[cactuschef]

Whoa bobdog626, what did you just say?

[San Frandisco]

just wanted to mention your an ugly ass inbreeding troll who cry's itself to sleep at night wishing ps3 exclusives were on your sh!tbox 360.
STOP dropping your PMS all over this site you infested b!tch.

:) ok im happy now. 1 for ME and -5 for the whiny b!tch why dis.

[madpuppy]

Aaron Greenberg is a smug little b!tch, even when he has no reason or right to be.

He actually kind of reminds me of that former Sony executive Ken Kutaragi...just not as Asian. (read that last bit in Peter Griffin's voice)

[Zeus Lee]

Ah,so he's pretty much just an immature American employed at Microsoft?

[i_i_n]

i'm just going to state what was already stated (some may say its useless) but the whole Greeburg going on his rants about sony and stuff is unnecessary, especially when you're talking about the competition more than you're talking about your own product. this article did a good job pointing that out and is definitely a fair enough rebuttle to greenburg's words in gamasutra.

worry much, greenburg? your words seem to imply it...

[ChaoticStupid]

Curious why is it ok for Sony to trash MS but not MS to trash Sony? Seems you kids have yet again proven your bias. Sony has been coming out for 3 years now bragging and being complete asses over the PS3, oh but dont ever let MS who actually has a reason to brag say anything..

I see a lot of Sony fans showing their ignorance by acting like Sony never takes shots at the Wii or 360.. Grow up kids. As long as you dont mind Sony doing it when they have no reason, you shouldnt cry about ms doing it either.

[TitanUp]

lol i love seeing comments from gamers like market share and sales. why care so much its just something stupid to argue about.

quote PS3 has been outsold in North America for like 8 months now.

why care if its been outsold how does that effect you? just play the system you like and play the games you like ignore fanboys.

quote Microsoft has nothing this year.
microsoft has to have a few game announcements and i wouldn't count them out yet.

and the article,microsoft might have trashed talked a bit and so has sony so thats even but at least they are trying to gain something out of it.

the fanboys of the systems don't have anything to gain i don't see you earning a rank up with either company.

so with this last question why be a fanboy?

[hippo24]

Because mommy said shes not paying for another one, and you need some way to deceive yourself into thinking that you couldn't possibly be missing out on something good because of your decision. So you get online in order to try and make yourself believe that your preferred console is superior, and that your a great person for picking it.

[hippo24]

What a great article! Why cant we have more opinonated BS about the console wars.
Its so depressing to come to N4G every day and see the temp boxes filled to the brim with high quality news. Why cant we just add a few opinonated articles here and there to break up the professionalism on this site.

If you cant detect my sarcasm you might need some help...

[Socomer 1979]

Seriously, this is like the last memory of hardcore xbox360 fans im gonna see this year and i dont even know what they are excited about. its like watching monkeys go nuts without any bannanas. i guess rrod burisl ceromonies are more intimste than i thought. see you in march i guess.

[Narutone66]

are more excited about bashing the PS3 than playing games. Probably because there are no games coming out for their beloved console. How the table have turned, once it used to be that PS3 have no games.

[hippo24]

Sure because the morons that have an xbox are so much worse then the morons with a ps3, go grow up.

Come back when you can find some self-esteem that doesn't rely on your purchase of a console system.

[DJ]

Microsoft will say and do anything they can to hurt the competition. The reason a lot of developers were wary of Microsoft moving into the console business is because they were notorious for this behavior in other markets. Most of this smack-talking didn't exist before their arrival. Even "software attach ratio" was an unknown term before they came, mainly because it actually tracks hardware performance and is very confusing at face value.

When you look at both Xbox 360 and PS3, both are doing better than they did in 2008, which itself was an improvement over 2007. This simply means that consumers are steadily moving into the next generation. It doesn't mean "PS2 is losing customers to Xbox" or "Wii is losing customers to PSP." That's what Microsoft likes to show it as, but we all know that owning multiple consoles is the norm, not the exception.

Sure my DS is far weaker than my PSP, but I have never seen Sony nor Nintendo debate over the power difference between the two handhelds, mainly because they show respect. I love both, and that's all that matters. Sometimes one will take a backseat to the other; it's not a big deal, and depends on what software is out.

But Microsoft has spent the past 4 years touting that 360 is more powerful than PS3, that PS3 wasn't built to play games, that it's not a good Blu-ray player, that it's too hard to program, blah, blah, blah. If I ever see an Xbox 360 Press Release that doesn't take a stab at Sony, I'll be very impressed, and hopeful that all future statements from Microsoft would be that mature.

[aldesko]

There was definitely smack talking before MS entered the market, mainly in the genesis days.

The rest of your post is spot on.

[segasage]

don't do that again.

[KKanjiAnkh]

If they haven't even scathed the PS1, in quality of games STFU, for the love of all that is Holy. Only dip$h!ts, say a company that holds on to less than a handfull of decent games, is good cause they sold X amount of copies.

Do Your Homework

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[OrganicMachine]

Typical American attitude...

sigh...

[TheBand1t]

Oh yes, because Sony were extremely humble back in '06. 'Cause, you know. Next-Gen starts when they say so.

It's not an American attitude. Last I checked it's called "Arrogance", and every country in the god damned WORLD has it.

I love Playstation as much as the rest of you, but I am GLAD they ate humble pie. At least now I won't need that second job.

That said, Aaron is a gigantic douche.

[Bladestar]

lol!... as if Sony does not trash Microsoft too.

I guess NPD left a scar on Sony's leg humpers butt cheeks...

HOw many of these articles will come out? Microsoft is taking marketshare from Sony left and right... what do you expect them to do... not talk about it?

you may say... mmm.. "never!" sony does not do such thing...

http://news.cnet.com/Sony-t...

Here is Sony back when the PS2 was dominating Nintendo and Microsoft's consoles...

"The console wars are over," Hirai said. "I liken the gap with our competition to the Grand Canyon."

"Even MSN users are welcome," Hirai quipped.

"Sony also previewed a slew of upcoming PS2 titles, including high-profile exclusives such as new versions of Eidos Interactive's "Tomb Raider" and Electronic Arts' "Medal of Honor" series. Hirai added that "Grand Theft Auto 3," the top-selling video game for the past few months, will remain exclusive to the PS2, with publisher Take-Two canceling previous plans to bring the game to the Xbox. "

well... well... it seems like Microsoft came back with vengeance when it comes to the xbox 360... because if you ask me.. that's exactly what Sony did.. during the previous generation.. even when it comes to exclusives 3rd party games...

What comes around goes around... or is it... what goes a around comes around?

You pathetic sony leg humpers... don't remember these things... and are now complaining...

Sony did all these things to Microsoft and Nintendo.. and it seems.. like they are returning the favor. So, deal with it!

[TreborRversed]

I just have to say when you have 30 million to about 4 million (I think that article said), I think you've every right to be a little over confident, and he was in no way he as bad as this aron bloke is being.

Now look at thing this gen, (rough numbers here), 22 million to about 28 million, I think you can see that the gap is no where near the huge "grand canyon" difference the ps2 has, oh yeah and just to let you know the PS2 is still selling, wheres the original Xbox.

[likedamaster]

@Bladestar

Sony getting a taste of their own medicine. Classic. The insult from Microsoft to Sony was well deserved.

@Trebor
Overconfidence? That was complete and utter arrogance. Funny how the tables are turned and PS3 happens to be in last place now. Nintendo is 25+million console sales ahead of Phony, I mean Sony and hasn't been the least bit arrogant about it. Fail

[macalatus]

Microsoft's strategy:

Steal innovation from competitors (i.e., Apple), then talk trash about competitors.

When competition ceases to exists, MS will be content making broken consoles and broken operating systems like Vistas. The only thing they'll be talking trash will be how stupid the people who believed in them and bought their stuff. Pretty sobering, eh?

Glad I'm a PS3 fanboy.

[hippo24]

So your proud that you've pledge idiotic loyalty to an unfeeling company. Your proud that you've dedicated yourself to a single console when there are plenty of equally good or better games on other platforms. Your proud that you would rather support a company rather then the gaming industry as a whole. Youre proud that you would shove innovation and orgionality in favor of a single companies product, Your proud that your shortsighted and idiotic view on games is hurting the gaming industry.

If your indeed happy to be a console fanboy then you obviously are not a gamer. This goes to anyone not just you that thinks it's ok to be a fanboy.

[Elven6]

Yea because companies like Apple and Sony are full of saints right? Grow up and look fast your fanboyism please, no company has your best interests at heart 100% of the time, this is a business after all.

And to people who are suddenly attacking Greenburg over his comments about the PS3, this just started recently, before Halo 3 launched anyone else remember the smear campaigns launched by Sony execs against Nintendo and Microsoft? I doubt PS fans on N4G will, with the short term memory and all.

[Anon1974]

Elven6 said "And to people who are suddenly attacking Greenburg over his comments about the PS3, this just started recently, before Halo 3 launched anyone else remember the smear campaigns launched by Sony execs against Nintendo and Microsoft?"

You're going to have to refresh my memory for one. What on earth are you talking about? What smear campaign?

[macalatus]

@hippo,

I'm really glad that you made that comment of yours...because the people whom you've just described are the kinds of people Microsoft wants to have. You see, MS doesn't really care about the video game industry much the same way they don't really care about the computer industry since they really have no competitors aside from Apple (which is like the Wii of the computer industry). MS doesn't care about innovation either, unless you count stealing ideas as "innovation".

So yeah...you being one of the people that Microsoft wants...that's really sobering!

[faraany3k]

You know what people, things have to change after a while. Admit it or not PS3 will be the future of consoles. POINT

i swear i dont own a PS3

[Etseix]

i feel i dont have to read the article, only the title to agree with this.
why M$ always needs to speak about another console, and not the Xbox?
i dont think that the *sales* will goin to repair the new brand highly anticipated Error 74, congrats!!!!!

[ali312]

You bring a fair comment regarding supporting the gaming industry and being a gamer but you forget a vital piece of information. People choose to have a fanboy view due to their opinions and what they feel value for money. You cannot say in regards to multiplats that one is better than the other as imo they both look similar. What separates them is th exclusives and at the present moment in time Sony appear to have more. To me value for money is free Online Play having wireless connection as standard and the awesome blu-ray player. This suits me, this is not say the 360 doesnt offer anything but it's just that to me Microsoft will always charge if it thinks it can generate more money. The PC gaming market has always had free online play so why do they need to feel to charge. I will not give my money to a company that blatantly wants to rip you off. If you play Call of Duty for an example the onlne experience for the Ps3 and 360 is no different so why pay????

[ShabzS]

haha ... its like microsoft is the big bully and ps is the short smart kid with glasses and the author of the article is his mom ...

anyways they should stop talking about sony... unless if sony starts talking about them then its much more fun ... but if only one side is hating then its not cool..

[farhsa2008]

you fear what you can't kill

[Pennywise]

I love all of the xboxers that pop out of the wood work to bash Sony.

Go back to your hole you bunch of sales hawks. Learn what gamer means.

[REALgamer]

Not going into every article and bashing Microsoft, Pennywise. Your last 5 posts appear as if you think only people bashing Sony are fanboys, but anyone bashing Xbox is a 'gamer.

Also interesting to see as a 'gamer' you reported a submission about Lost and Damned outselling Killzone 2, and another 5 articles that commented negatively on Sony but not this article that comments negatively on MS.

Fanboyism goes both ways. Please stop talking about what it is to be a gamer until you realise there's no reason to cling to one console when you could be playing amazing games on both!

[Pennywise]

That got reported because it is LAME. Just as I marked it.

L&D = Out longer, $40 cheaper, and its GRAND THEFT AUTO.

Its like saying Toyota outsold Ferrari.

For months you dont see many of the names commenting in NPD, then BOOM hundreds pop out. Most of my posts bash the commenters.

You are a REALgamer, so you must know. Ive been gaming all of my life... I've never seen such horrible attitudes about the industry ever. As a smart consumer and a person who really doesnt like MS(Stems from WAY before xbox was ever made), I choose not to buy a 360.

[bobdog626]

Sony is doing it to themself's .They surpose to be The World Leader Right , Im i Right ,and they let there name be drag through the Mud and do nothing about it.The World is seeing this and that's why they are in Last Place Penny. Don't blame Microsoft for this.Blame Sony bucause i believe they can do better but FAiL as a World Leader this GEN

[Pennywise]

World leader?? What is sony a country?

They pushed new formats - bluray and the cell. Those two things made the PS3 pricey. The price will come down... but they are doing just fine for the retail price on the PS3.

I really don't care - ive said it a million times... just give me the games.

[JokesOnYou]

"xboxers that pop out of the wood work to bash Sony"

-lmfao while I've said I would prefer Greenberg not mention sony; I do however its obvious most of the hate towards Greenberg is based on bitterness from all the latest NPD smack talk, either way I personally haven't bashed sony at all, I also wish "xboxers" would be more mature about their comments instead of all out sony bashing. Its very childish however I'm amazed that anyone especially a extreme sony loyalist such as yourself who's comment history is full of BS towards micro can be so hypocritical, I mean this happens everytime sales are released....if ps3 beats 360 extreme sony folks talk smack, if 360 beats ps3 extreme "xboxers" talk smack= what were you expecting? -its n4g, if it was meus or someone similiar being critical of the "sony bashing" it would sound alot more legit, but from you it just sounds like sour grapes over the NPD figures. -yeah I'm thats all it is.....*karma's a biiiatch, huh?

JOY

[Pennywise]

I guess its because I am not nice to the 360 only fans, JOY.

Sounds like sour grapes to me!! Ive always made statements like this. There are a few games I wish I could play, but I dont own a 360... The reasons I dont own a 360 out weigh the reasons for me to own a 360. I guess that makes anything I say bias and hypocritical.

At least I dont spend all of my time bashing the machine and then go out and buy it... now THATS hypocritical.

[JokesOnYou]

Thats the difference between me and you, I can be critical of something but still think it has some value for me because ultimately gaming is my hobby and I like the freedom to be able to pick 'n choose from all the games available on consoles. Now if you think the reasons NOT to own a 360 outwiegh the reasons to buy one then certainly thats your choice, NOBODY including me has a problem with that but that's not with this is about. lolz I don't think anyone wants or needs you to "be nice" to 360 fans only, NO its just your comments are really hypocritical considering whenever n4g has slightly positive news for sony or slighty negative for micro YOU are almost always posting flamebait type comments, therefore coming into this thread whinning about 360 fans IS hypocritical because if the situation was reversed I'm sure YOU'd be the first to do the same thing.

JOY

[Pennywise]

boohoo, I dont sugar coat or feel like I have the need to. Unless you follow all of my comments, which is scary... how do you know??

Ive see your comments to, claiming to see both sides of the spectrum but you are clearly biased. You dont like anyone who doesnt like the 360 or MS. Its pretty basic... I dont dislike 360 owners, just the ones that show up when sales numbers are produced putting up comments. For months I havent seen an influx of 360 fans like when yesterdays were released... Did you even see me in there "spinning"?

Sony needs a price cut, but I couldnt care less... I own a PS3. I also own a PC, where I can play any 360 "exclusive" I want to play.

So in closing, get off my case.... You act like you are riding on a high horse, signing your acronym at the end of every post, like anyone cares... I know I dont.

[GreatTeacherOnizuka]

Just the simple fact that this game had a lot of pressure and weight on it.
When you look at Killzone2, you are looking at a game that has been developed for a long time and has been delayed many times. This is the game that most PS3 fanboys claim "Killzowned". I do not want to argue with subjective thoughts, But if you look around....How many people do you see in N4G with a KZ2 avatar?... Enough people. This game has also received numerous recognition through Game previews and even PSN. The reviews on Metacritic are high with a lot of positive feedback.

well... First day sales a very ...ugly.
Can you imagine how much money and effort people brought to the game?
C'mon....when we speak of sales...this is what you call ..a....FLOP

[HDDVD_for_the_win]

One day Americans will understand the US are NOT the world. That's why NPD doesn't matter that much.

What matters is sales WORLDWIDE, NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR F$$$$ED UP COUNTRY ANYMORE seriously...

And worldwide :

- PS3 sells the same as 360

- Killzone 2 already sold more than 1.05 million so sales are ok (not over the top, but they're okay, since they should reach at least the 2 million mark lifetime)

[GreatTeacherOnizuka]

"Killzone 2 already sold more than 1.05 million so sales are ok (not over the top, but they're okay, since they should reach at least the 2 million mark lifetime) "

read my comment.
I know U.S. does not represent the world.
Still, It does play a big role in sales.

[Major_Tom]

America is second to Europe in sales.

[SixAmpFuze]

Ms has every right to say what they want about sony apple or any other company.Just as those companies do to MS .What abounch of cry baby BS this article is

[hagggs5tow]

the 360 is in last place if you ask me as far as sales go the wii is kicking its butt. The ps3 is in first place since it is the only one true next system . the 360 is what the 32x add-on was to the genesis
its like a xbox 1.5 in my books nothing new or innovative, they already had live up and running with the originale xbox and they only just slightly improved the visuals with this xbox 1.5 or call it the crap sixty if you will, plus its hardware itself is a piece of crap the thing wont even last 3 years and the newer chipsets keep getting that e74 error . to me its garbage, if your a true gamer get yourself a ps3 the only thing microsoft has done for us this gen is make sony get off their ass and make truley remarkable games for us to enjoy and flood the market with originale ips.

[Captain Tuttle]

Because Sony fans get mad? Who cares? It's just PR bull. Remember Sony talking about the PS2 and "How the battle for second place was moot"? Or how about "Next-Gen doesn't start until we say so" or "People will get a second job to pay for a PS3"? Sony does/did it too...they just haven't had very much to talk smack about lately.

[FxckOSX]

M$ should care themselves for instance failure rate.
it's serious Hey-Law(yer) Wars.

[Punisher95]

Im sick of all the 360 fan boys yaping on about all the exclusives 360 has. what exclusives? 360 barely has any i like the PS3 but i don't Brag about how many exclusives it has. Like lost planet that was suppose to be Xbox exclusive but it was only exclusive for a year or 2

[Knightofelemia]

Microsoft should concentrate more with making the 360 reliable with E 74 and the RROD instead of poking around in the buisness of Sony.

[BrianC6234]

If Microsoft stops talking about the PS3 how will they get any attention? It's not like they have anything worth buying this year. They have to talk about the PS3 just like everyone else. Poor Microsoft.

[dustgavin]

When Sony makes a negative comment about Microsoft, people are posting articles about how immature they are. Buuuuut when Microsoft trashes Sony it is just business.

Nice.

[ForROME]

Anyone who thinks the PS3 Globaly wont pass MS is insane, MS doesnt not have that kind of brand power over all.

NA seems to be where the war is, which is a win for us gamers, I still havent stuck to owning eithier one and I keep waiting for a little more of a winner...but price is a big deal no denying that one

[KingKionic]

well im nolt being a fanboy but if you ask me. with microsoft headstart none the less they have sold.in the following years the gap between sony and ms is getting wider.sony doesnt have to really out sell anyone they make there money there happy. but truthfuly the xbox 360s would have to stop selling for about one full year for sony to get ahead.

[sarshelyam]

Man...did you see the charts for our Japan brothers/sisters? Last time I checked half of ALL sales go to Sony's PSP & PS3 and the 360 is barely outselling the PlayStation 2 in next-to-last place. It's funny when you mention this because all NA gamers who prefer 360 will instantly say "Japan doesn't matter".

Pull up those weekly sales and lets us see what's been sitting amongst the Top 10, hell...the Top 5 for the last 3 months. Star Ocean made a modest attempt...it sold well, but Ryu ga Gotoku, Demon's Souls, etc., just kept reminding Microsoft who really is winning this war...at least in Japan. We're not talking slight numbers either.

[cereal_killa]

KionicWarlord222 how long have you been gaming for? The reason I ask is do you remember what happen to the original Xbox? M$ abandoned it and stopped making games for it, the only way for anyone to play any new games from M$ was to buy a 360 why didn't they continue to make games for both to allow people to have time to make the move on there own terms. Here's my point do you think there going to continue to make games for the 360 once the "720" drops I'll make this claim right now they may for a while (1 year tops) but it wont last long they'll do the same thing they did to the original.

[TheOutsider]

They talk out of theier a$$ cause none of the S**t they say never happens! and they are just SCARED as HELL of competition! and with a price cut coming! just watch out for microsoft suicide attempts to go up!

[KingKionic]

you do remember how much the ps3 was at launch right? microsoft and sony does price cuts . there no pining it on one person.

[hac-hunter]

As soon as Sony cuts the price on the PS3, I can almost guarantee we will hear this greenburg chump call it "an act of desperation on Sony's part blah blah blah"....

[solidosito]

i have the two consoles and the ps3 is mush better than 360 i only have 360 for do back ups of games nothing more

[sarshelyam]

...I was in a GameStop yesterday, talking to one of the associates there and he made a comment to which I instantly went on the defensive. I couldn't help it, not sure what the deal was and all he said was something about Killzone 2 sucked, etc. Not that it mattered to me in the end because I love the game, but what surprised me is after my rant about 360 this, 360 that...and his about how Halo was so much better than Killzone 2 (it IS his opinion and I can't take that away), I cooled down.

Owning an Xbox 360 I had but one question for him and it wasn't with the intent that most might think... "Okay, I own an Xbox 360...sell me on why I have one and WHY I should be excited for 2009 without mentioning ODST (Halo is not my thing)."

...

...

SILENCE!

I asked him why he wasn't answering me and he initially stated "...it's because you're so set in your belief that there isn't anything on the 360!" I, again, assured him I'm only asking as a customer who wants to know what's coming...what I should be excited for. He looked at me with a blank expression on his face and said "I really can't...I don't know...", and he proceeded to walk into the backroom and I can only assume he didn't come out until I left.

It took me talking to the assistant manager to actually get a list of titles they had available to reserve and a comment "It's not looking too good. If Mass Effect 2 goes multi-platform and you're not a Halo fan, there isn't much you can't get on the PlayStation 3 in 2009."

Hmmm, an honest response it seems. Fanboy mentality be damned, good games come out on all platforms...but if you struggle to cite sales points moving forward, no amount of trash talking is going to hide the apparent inadequacies of 2009.

[rmedtx888]

Hey we are talking about Microsoft; a company known for it's unethical business practices.

[Neo604]

all I see is Halo war poster and none KZ2. I guess they are partner.

onto topic MS throw everything they got at Sony include trash talk cause they are real worry of this best game console.

[marksolo]

I dont care who wins the so called war, I dont have shares in either company. Why are many people reading this site so bothered about a MS Exec bashing Sony? Personally, I think its funny and it must have struck a chord to make so many insecure people react to passionately about a Japanese Company. They are both big corporates and both want to take your money and make a profit. As such there will always be marketing and spin to generate PR and confidence in their product. Contrary to some opinions on this Site Sony has slagged off the Xbox and the MS strategy on numerous occasions in the past. Get over it you sad pathetic losers. Also, retailers who want to make money support the machines that sell most software, shift most units and generates the most reveunue / profit.

[Anon1974]

You don't see the CEO of a bank bashing other banks and talking about how much they suck. Gold companies don't mock other gold companies because their mines aren't producing as much. It rather unprecedented for the head of anything to make statements like this regardless of the facts. Is the PS3 really hemorrhaging at retail like Greenberg suggests? Of course not, as anyone who bothered to look into the truth of the matter would tell you. So why on earth would you go on record slamming the other guy like you're in junior high? As a fan of Microsoft's video game offering I find his comments embarrassing.

[L3G10N]

you can't call corporations like sony or microsoft good and evil... they're in it for the money. By that logic, M$ loves its patrons more, considering it shells out millions for new franchises. Sony, on the other hand, limps from successful game to successful game. In reverse, its gone from KZ2, to littlebig planet, MGS4, then it started with resistance. if theres a game missing my bad, im just listing the apps off the top of my head.

[vagisil]

why should micro quit talking about their competition?

you guys defend that piece of plastic like it is a god, this is why the industry laughs at sony fanboys!

[Anon1974]

Please back up your comments. How are Sony fans being crybabies? All I see is a division head acting like an ass and people rightly pointing out how unprofessional that is and 360 freaks holding a celebratory love-in on the forums despite the fact that their sales "victory" came at the price of a 60% decline in profits last quarter on increased revenue and increased sales, IE...MS is losing money on the 360 hardware again. Yes Microsoft should stop lying about the competition in interviews. It's an embarrassment. Clearly the PS3 isn't "hemorrhaging at retail." People aren't idiots. So who is Greenberg trying to fool?
A respectable head would focus on the strengths of their product offering. As I mentioned before, Gold companies don't bash other gold companies because they're mines don't produce as much, Bank's don't slam other banks because they have more ATM machines. This is business, not junior high. Clearly you don't get that distinction either.

[vagisil]

you want me to back up my comment, how about you provide a link to where micro is losing money on each 360 sold.

[Anon1974]

http://www.microsoft.com/ms...

Here's Microsoft's 2nd quarter financials. As you'll notice from their gaming division, vs 2nd quarter the previous year (that's the holidays) revenue was up with the games division, sales were up yet profit was down over 60% year over year. So how can that be? More revenue, more sales, less profit? What changed year over year.
The only answer is the price cut.

[Capulous]

I'm pretty sure that MS includes their gaming division as part of the Entertainment and Devices Division. I didn't see where it specifically list details on their gaming division from the link you provide. The dip in profit could just mean that they are making less for each Xbox 360 sold and not that they losing money on each system. The Zune is part of that same division and it was hit hard last quarter.

[xXKingofStingXx]

Selling 320,000+ in one day and moving on to sell 1,000,000+ within the week is bad? I'm sorry i was not aware a AAA game was supposed to sell 10,000,000 copies on opening day. It's stupid comments like this by MS and its supporters that make me ashamed to even own an xbox.

[stuntman_mike]

this is futile, just play the damn games.

[ironmonkey]

the majority of xbox fans are kids ive never seen an adult use one really. ah well kids will be kids even greenberg looks like fat kid

[Ballistic Jay]

Yes!

[BIGBOSS08]

they should really concentrate on what games they are going to give this year cause sony have plenty of games. if its sales they want to trash sony for then im sure sony have a plan to get that sorted aswell. they have PLENTY of experience with that.

[air1]

yes micro should stop and just ignore all that smack talk sony did when they launched the ps3.

im sure many of you remember.

more then 1 skue will confuse the ppl. the 360 cant play the xbox games. etc..

[AngryTypingGuy]

Very true, Sony shouldn't have dished it out if they can't take it. Although, they should both shut their traps and focus on making the best product possible.

[guesswhat5543]

Micro. needs to worry about themselves, because the last time i checked 360s lineup for 09 is....PATHETIC

[devilhunterx]

Lol all the XDF are coming out of their caves

[be_wrong]

they tend to trash talk the competition because they're scared of it

[Hiruu]

Greenberg statements were a response to the comments from Sony...and amazingly, we didn't see any articles talking about how sony should worrying about the declining sales and shrinking marketshare...so to the writer of this article STFU!

[DOOMZ]

Sony need's to get trash talked to a little, they are so freaking out of touch...

[torreyjs]

I LOVE SONY AND HATE MICROSOFT

[L3G10N]

honestly, i really don't see why anyone becomes a fanboy of anything. i play 360 only because i play online shooters and kz2 has been no where to be found for 5 years. i love ps3 too. but i own a 360. i don't jump in Microsoft's boat every time they update something, i just like certain games. And lets be honest, this entire site is PS3 oriented. Not saying thats a bad thing, just saying fanboys should be warned theyre jumping into a bucket full of flames.

[Re4er]

I was on the bus a month or two back and I overheard two guys talking about games. One guy said: "I'm thinking of getting a PS3 for christmas!". The other guy agreed and said that it was cool. Then out of nowhere the guy in front of them blurted out: "Don't buy a PS3. they suck, get an X-Box. Those were his words exactly. I think he must've confused the guy who was thinking about purchasing a PS3 because he said: "Really?". This made me wonder about why everyone is hating on the PS3. Maybe because it came out well after the 360 and everyone had a 360 already. So newly interested gamers are being advised to steer clear of the PS3 because it sucks and no one has it? It's obsured. I, myself have a PS3 but if I could I'd buy a X-box. I don't have anything against either one, and I think Microsoft should just go about their business instead of posting propaganda and saying: "Look out it's a PS3 come into the nice and cozy X-box homes.

[pansenbaer]

Correction: Aaron Greenberg should stop talking about the Playstation 3

[mega BIG time]

I dont know why i read comments here anymore. I am disappointed every time.

[Bumpmapping]

Microsoft has nothing to brag there in second and there also getting there asses kicked by the wii.

[Capulous]

I agree that Greenburg should stop talking about the PS3 and Sony. Just focus on yourselves, however it is just part of business and competition.

Sony is just as guilty of doing this as well. The article is just the same old fanboy stuff, oh your company is worst than my company because it does this and that, but I tend to ignore it or justify it if my company does it. This and that and the circular arguments and hypocrisy that is the staple of fanboyism continues.

[Rock_On_PS4]

MS should forget about PS3. When they trash talk PS3 they are actually promoting it. Consumer backlash may buy PS3 instead of X360.

Focus on X360 and tell us what MS has in plan for X360 in regards to XBox Live, X360 games, etc

BTW: What is PS3? (scratches head) Goes back to play Gears 2 on X360

No publicity from MS in regards to its opposition (PS3 and Wii) is the way they should approach things in the future.

http://www.nexgenwars.com/ I said earlier in posts X360 has sold 29 million and has a lead of over 8 million over PS3. Sorry according to nexgenwars X360 has sold 28 million and has a lead of only 6.6 million over PS3 which is around 21.4 million. Wii is only on 45 million not 48 million as reported on VGChartz.

[Obama]

Like I have said many times before I don't care about sales much. What matters is quality games, and it's crystal clear the MS doesn't have much of that.

I love how the bots always say "wait for E3, wait for GDC!" May be we should call it waitbox360?