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Single Player VS. Multiplayer

From GoldenEye to Fortnite, from Zork to Horizon Zero Dawn, gamers have long had a vast selection of great single player and multiplayer options.

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ApocalypseShadow2668d ago (Edited 2668d ago )

There's no competition between the two. Both can be equally fun.

It's when companies and executives say that one is not needed, valued or have the same impact currently or in the future and create services to devalue single player game's worth, that's when I have a problem.

Or when fans of multiplayer subjectively say single player games aren't worth but one play through when I can't remember how many times I've played a game multiple times from Mario, Mega man, ninja gaiden,castlevania,metal gear, etc to current games like Horizon. Or multiplayer games like SF,contra, streets of rage, gunstar heroes etc that I played again and again for both multiplayer and single player.

*Fun factor* creates replay ability. Not if it's multiplayer or single player or how long a game is or graphics.

But both are not in competition. There's no vs. They're both great. But maybe that's my subjective opinion.

Jaypi032668d ago (Edited 2668d ago )

I agree. When companies say one (Singleplayer) is not needed they're basically saying the other (Multiplayer) makes them more money and they want to focus on that to milk the most amount of money.

When gamers themselves make such claims, they let themselves be brainwashed by companies into thinking they really have to choose a side, when really, you can enjoy grinding in a multiplayer game, then go to playing a single player game.

81BX2668d ago

Well... they have the data. Single player has definitely had less focus than before.

P_Bomb2667d ago (Edited 2667d ago )

Depends on the developer/publisher. Some vets only make SP games, some would tack on MP to a cereal box if there was a chance they could RNG some more bucks outta you. And where they can’t nickel-dime the multiplayer MGSurvive style, there’s always the option of SP season passes which have been going up in price.

Squeenix is still very much about SP, Konami wants that MP. Rockstar has a balance but is still SP first production wise to get ya in the door, MP for the ongoing revenue stream. WB came out with a fighter last year that caters to both as well. Depends which way the wind blows. Odds are there’s some kinda DLC wrapped up in everything though. somewhere.

P_Bomb2667d ago

Actually, I don’t even think Konami wants the MP since it’s so poor in MGSurvive, they just want a quick easy buck. Pachinko style. Konami’s biggest hits otherwise before they pulled the plug on PT were SP games. Kojima took the SP ball with him to Death Stranding.

EA and Activision definitely want MP. The closure of Visceral and lack of quality in Mass Effect show their attention is elsewhere. Activision is at least dabbling in MMO PvE with Destiny. SP game you can tag team w friends while looting for better gear.

Others like Sega, Namco Bandai, Team Ninja (tecmo), CD Projekt Red, Altus, 2K, Platinum, Insomniac, Quantic Dream, From, Square are still very much single player centric.

Capcom tried the MP only route with SFV and hit a brick wall, critically and commercially. The new arcade edition seemingly rectifying it by compiling all the SP that was missing. Now there’s Monster Hunter.

81BX2666d ago

I hear that. I prefer a good story over mp, but I get from a business stand point there is $ in it.

Fist4achin2668d ago

Lame argument. To each their own.

Elda2668d ago

I will always love sp games first & foremost, but I don't mind playing games like Destiny & Overwatch or other games that has online co-op play to play with other folks.Competitive mp gaming is just not for me.

TheOttomatic912668d ago

I personally prefer SP but both can co exist normally. Just don’t try to push something stupid like “SP gaming is dead” like Phil Spencer did and you won’t have any problems

Kribwalker2667d ago

at no point did he say it was dead. He said it didn’t have the same impact as before. Which is true. What single player game has outsold PubG the last 5 years? Outsold GTA 5 (the multiplayer mode has carried that game to crazy heights) and others? the answer is none

P_Bomb2667d ago (Edited 2667d ago )

Outsold PuBG on console? Many have. On PC idgaf. If Mario and Horizon were early accessed on PC they’d probably make a penny there too.

All told, this ongoing versus drama is lame. SP vs MP, linear vs open world, cinematic vs dudebro. There’s room for it all.

Kribwalker2667d ago

I agree, there is room for all of them and i play all of them. But people keep trying to spin phil spencer saying SP doesn’t have the same impact it use to to him saying SP Doesn’t matter anymore. That’s not what he said. And the biggest selling games out right now prove that. The top sellers from this gen are COD, Battlefront, Battlefield the fifa series destiny and GTA 5. And they are all multiplayer centric games. GTA does have a big single player story but the new one is way more multiplayer centric. Hence the reason rockstar hasn’t released SP DLC but has had continuous online updates.

P_Bomb2666d ago

Yeah there’s no way EA/Activision will ever ditch MP in those games. EA Sports is an institution. Financial suicide. Honestly if COD offered the MP just by itself at a cheaper price, that’s the one I’d buy for the ol’ ball and chain, and i’d wager so would others.

Rockstar will 110% have a big MP futureproof on Red Dead, same as last time. Doubly so in the shadow of GTA. If they ever do a Bully 2 or Manhunt 3 though, I could see those staying SP only.

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The Real Enemy of Gaming Isn’t DEI. It’s the CEO

From Horse Armor to Mass Layoffs: The Price of Greed in Gaming. Inside the decades-long war on game workers and the players who defend them.

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jambola14d ago

maybe a real enemy is people who use terms like "the real enemy"
there can be more than 1 bad thing, t's not like a kids show with 1 big bad

senorfartcushion13d ago

This is very much a “dummy who volunteers themselves to the middle” comment.

The real enemy is a common phrase, people use it all the time.

Calm down.

jambola12d ago

i'm very calm
you seem very upset however

Notellin12d ago

You don't seem calm at all. Don't take this so seriously, you seem desperate responding to others defending your opinion that lacks any value or critical thought.

jambola12d ago

stop projecting
i'm not desperately dong anything, i'm tapping at keys on my keyboard bud

PapaBop12d ago

It's not like kids show with one bad guy? I present to you.. Bobby Kotick

ABizzel112d ago (Edited 12d ago )

DEI was never the problem and it was an ignorant take to begin with.

DEI is why games like Kena Bridge of Spirits, South of Midnight, and Ghost of Tsushima exist.

DEI is why we have a huge resurgence in Japanese, Chineses, and Korean developers producing games like Stellar Blade, Black Myth, and why Nintendo & Sony exist.

DEI is why more and more games have HUGE accessibility options with both Sony and MS fully behind this.

DEI was never a bad thing, the entire purpose of DEI is representation of all people, genders, disabilities, etc…

The problem was people used DEI as a default derogatory term to describe what they believed was forced representation, which allowed colorist, racist, sexist, misogynist, homophobic, and xenophobic fools to run away with the negative DEI narrative.

jambola11d ago

you don't get to decide other people's motivations
sorry to break it to you

ABizzel111d ago (Edited 11d ago )

To each their own, however, nothing you said invalidates why some people take offense to DEI incorrectly.

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Sciurus_vulgaris14d ago

Executives seem to often have an obsession with perpetual revenue growth. There is always a finite amount of consumers for a product regardless of growth. Additionally, over investment is another serious issue in gaming.

Killer2020UK13d ago

The fact that they also rarely have any real expertise in game development compounds things. They'll look at what's been successful elsewhere, lack the knowledge to properly understand why they have been successful and then force a team to 'reproduce' their badly interpreted idea of that success.

We see it so often with sequels to games that were successful too. The team are left well alone, they have a break through hit and all of sudden the money men descend on the IP and completely railroad the dev team's ideas. Usually winds up being 'make the same game but MORE'

LoveSpuds12d ago

This is true throughout all of the corporate and public sector organisations to be honest. CEO's generally move amongst the corporate world without any need to have experience of a particular industry, they simply need to rely on their senior leadership credentials. A CEO of a retail giant will just as easily transition to a CEO role in the energy sector for example.

Not defending CEOs here to be clear, I think it's a huge part of the reason the western world is so fucked up. CEOs don't need to care about the sector they work in, in fact it's better if they don't care if they want to screw everyone to make profits.

GhostScholar13d ago

Companies don’t hire executives to break even. If the goal is breaking even then why start the company in the first place.

Soy13d ago

That's understood; it's getting record profits and expecting to always beat those record profits, and seeing anything less as a total failure. Then they lay people off and raise prices to reach those record profit levels again, just to sate shareholders. It's setting expectations way too high just to spike share prices, then inevitably falling short. It's feeling entitled to being more successful than everyone else. It's the CEOs doing all this to boost their own bonuses.

ABizzel112d ago

Growth benefits the company’s profits and therefore the company’s stock if publicly traded, which pleases the shareholders making them more and more rich, which is why Growth is always at the forefront of the vast majority of any publicly traded company.

More growth = More Money and the people at the top want all the money they can get. I can’t really blame them anyone would love to see their profits go from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands, to multi-millions it’s almost like a gambling addiction.

But it also goes to show someone how morals can go out the window for a lot of these people, and how amazing some CEOs are when they catch this early and provide a balance solution that takes complete care of their employees across the board while keeping the business sustainable IE: Insomniac Games ALWAYS on the best places to work list. The rest of the industry could learn.

jambola14d ago

honestly, the "real" enemy of gaming, is ourselves
if nobody bought horse armor, shitty dlc would have died almost overnight
if we stood firm and nobody bought games from companies that were bad with layoffs, it would be solved
we're the idiots supporting awful business practices, we are the ones enouraging it

TiredGamer13d ago

I think the reality that we don't want to convince ourselves of is that without the rise of "horse armor" and DLC, game budgets would have essentially stagnated (smaller teams/smaller games), or game prices would have risen much more dramatically than they have. There was an incessant drive for bigger worlds, infinite detail, and hundreds of hours of "gameplay" over the last two decades, that while perhaps a natural evolution of things, needed a suitable funding stream to accomplish.

HyperMoused12d ago

What...CEOs make tens of millions and that doesnt include SLT etc etc...we now have multiple editions of games, in game currency, MT's, battle passes.....and what do we get..worse game than what was coming out 20 years ago....dont drink the cool aid, its this nickel and dime crap that is absolutely leading us to gaming destruction.

senorfartcushion13d ago

This is the worst possible answer to this conundrum. Blaming the masses is blaming the only people who are constantly “told” to buy.

Consumers are the only ones not to blame here. People make their own choices all the time. Disney movies are bombing and DEInis being blamed. Has that been enough to put Disney out of business? No and it never will.

Christopher13d ago

Disagree. Businesses are able to do what they do because people are bad consumers and don't think critically about purchases. Disney got away with doing shit stuff for years and it's just the last year where people got tired of it. It's not like it didn't work for 5 years or so for Disney to do the things they've done. They'll just move onto another way to get people to see movies and it will be just as bad but more profitable until people wake up and realize it.

TiredGamer13d ago

Consumerism drives business behavior. It's not so much "blaming" as it is observing behavior. The point I'm making is that the direction that games have gone are driven by the spending. Consumers are spending on DLC and they are driving the expectation of more glitz and padded out (lengthier) games. If they continue to pay, they will continue to drive that direction until a threshold is reached that forces a change in behavior.

senorfartcushion13d ago

Corporate advertising is the most powerful force on the planet.

This is N4G for god sake, every day there are arguments between people who are Team Xbox and Team PlayStation because they’ve been convinced that having an identity built on paying money to Sony and Microsoft matters more than having one as individual gamers who can play whatever they want.

And THEN we get to the corporate advertising part: to play whatever you want is to sink MORE into the advertising pits, making it so that you can more than one specific product.

jambola12d ago

ah you're right
they were told to buy it, it's clearly impossible to avoid that
if enough people stopped supporting, it would stop
disney not stopping would only be because enough people didn't stop

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victorMaje13d ago

Agreed. I’ve been saying for years, announce you won’t be buying the upcoming game because of the practices of the previous game, then you only have to stick to your guns once, see how quickly things change for the better.

We have to unite in what we shouldn’t purchase.

jambola12d ago

just imagine a world, fifa came out worse, nobody buys the next one until they see proof it's better and stick to it
or games being forced online for single player and nobody buys it
things would change so fast

HyperMoused12d ago

Just like scooby doo, you have shown us the real monsters are us

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Inverno13d ago

Greed and greedy people have and always will be the main issue for everything wrong in the world. Everything is a product to be exploited for monetary gain. Even when there are things that could help progress us along for the sake of making our lives easier that thing must be exploited for monetary gains. Anything that tells you otherwise is propaganda to make you complicit.

coolfool13d ago

I've never thought "DEI" (although the way most people use it doesn't match it's real definition) is the problem with games. Good games have continued to be good when they have a diverse cast, and likewise, bad games have continued to be bad. There isn't a credible example I've seen where a diverse cast has been the direct cause of a game being bad.

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