Mad about Neo? Here are some benefits that might change your mind

Gameondaily look at some of the positives around the Neo/PS4K

[Gazondaily]

I don't get the hate. Times are changing. Embrace it!

I still think this was done with PSVR in mind.

[Volkama]

PSVR was definitely in mind (would be a monumental problem at Sony HQ if the team designing the console didn't know about PSVR lol), but I think they'd have done new console cycle with or without it.

In a way PSVR and Neo will be fighting for the same consumer dollars, so Neo poses a significant threat to PSVR. The fact both are coming so close together shows just how important both projects are to Sony imo, as they don't feel they can put either one back.

[naruga]

"The base Playstation 4 will last longer" that s exactly what i was thinging ...PS4NEo will elongate the lifetime of PS4 after all and that s a super positive for current or Neo owners

[Kleptic]

^completely agree...

I'm just kind of reassured in my own mindset that what i have found personally the most underwhelming era in gaming...in possibly forever (on every platform, mind you)...catalyzed by the 'safest' pair of consoles ever released...has a REAL mid-gen upgrade coming for the first time in history...

With VR, a freaking PS4 with twice the gpu power...that is still a PS4...announced less than 3 years later...I thought this generation was predictable as ever...and its turning out to be 100% completely crazy haha.

[freshslicepizza]

the hate seems to highlight a bigger issue with todays culture where people don't really appreciate what they have.

[Ju]

I am not so sure if PSVR is a thread to Neo. You need a PS4 to use it. You shell out $400 for something new, or another $400 just play the same games...hmmm...I think Neo will first cater to the hard core PS4 users and new customers - at least initially. In that way, it isn't really a thread to PSVR (let call it Morpheus again, that goes so well together with Neo).

[Kurisu]

Personally I don't see myself "upgrading". I can see why they're doing it, but I've recently got my PS4 repaired so I'm not shelling out even more on top of that for something that's "the same but better". I'd rather put my money towards PSVR.

[Volkama]

I'm the opposite. Assuming speculation is accurate on the specs and policies, I'll pick up a PS4k ASAP. I did have PSVR on the shopping list, but the new console and VR together is a bit steep so I'll probably give VR a bit more time to mature. In the short term, that's one would-be PSVR sale Sony have lost out to themselves.

[Letthewookiewin]

Well the beauty of this whole Neo situation is, you don't have to upgrade to it. Period. Let the haters talk all the nonsense they want. It won't change a dam thing. Can't wait to pick mine up. Suck it.

[OB1Biker]

Same for me. I'm more interested in buying a device because of the games I couldn't play otherwise. That is: PSVR
Upgrade to play the same games but 'better' is not a priority IMO

[THEDON82z1]

What everybody needs to realize is this is just the console revision that happens every gen (similar to ps2/ps3 slim). The only difference is they increased the specs to give a boost to 4k (upscaling games,movies)/ VR. I can tell you like this eventually they will stop making the original and the NEO will become the de-facto standard. I plan to upgrade (maybe not immediately) but the original will still run all the games/accessories. So the way I see it no one is being pressured to upgrade.When you are ready to upgrade to the latest model fine; until then just keep gaming. As far as any new features that come with new games I believe they will just be extra things but nothing to split up the user base. I have my PSVR preordered and it will look nice next to my galaxy gear (for my S7)!

[dumahim]

I'm the opposite as well. The normal games will have a Neo mode and there will be games I will buy. PSVR though, I haven't seen anything yet I'm interesting in playing. VR without enough interesting games to support it isn't worth it, for me.

[Pongwater]

A significant upgrade will keep me from buying PSVR. I really hope consoles don't go down this road.

[Kleptic]

@thedon8982z

If the 'neo' really has the rumored 280x based gpu that GiantBomb's leak suggests...no...this is so far from 'what normally happens' each generation that it is not even worth discussing...a gpu jump by that much is far more than just a little extra resources to upscale to 4k...that is literally double the gpu currently in the PS4...

The 7970 was a full generational jump in PC hardware...PC gens don't last as long...but this is nothing like some optimizing and slightly more efficient hardware being plopped in a slimmer and cheaper console...A ps4, with that gpu, could run any PS4 title released at 1080/60fps without breaking a sweat.

again, though, depends on which rumors end up being true...I guess the sadder part of the whole thing is that the 7970 released in...2011...

[Tsunade]

Wait for MS to announce theirs. Then you will see the haters suddenly loving the idea.

[Volkama]

@Cobra but if someone only got a PS4 this past christmas then they simply aren't the kind of enthusiast that rushes out to buy tech when it launches. Why would they suddenly need to buy a Neo as soon as it comes out?

[UltimateOne88]

@Cobra951

"I think the people who invested into a PS4, especially recently, are the ones who should be pissed. They were sold a console that was supposed to be good for, what, 10 years?"

Who said it was supposed to last 10 years? Is it in Sony's TOS? Oh and by the way the existence of the NEO does not automatically render the OG PS4 useless. I don't get this all-or-nothing attitude. The PS4 will continue to work just fine and get all the games the NEO does for many years to come. The NEO will just run them better and is an OPTION for those who want the extra luxury.

My phone, car, and home theater electronics get newer and better versions every year - am I supposed to be pissed that they exist? Of course not! This is no different. The console cycle has not changed in 30 years - now that it is people get their panties in a wad when it is just mirroring every other product in existence.

[roland82]

Kinda like when there were rumors of a upgradeable xbox one everyone hated that idea but now since it looks like Sonys the one going to be doing the upgrade everyone is excited

[MachuchalBrotha316]

Actually thinking about it, MS was the ones who let the cat out the bag about the upgradable consoles first. And they got some hate for it. Sony just seems to be ahead of them tho in terms of having Neo.

I was wondering to if, MS got whiff of Sonys Neo and then they mentioned it first so not to get lost in all the attention. But considering how much shit Sonys getting for these rumors. Its best MS keep mum til E3. Just my take of course...

[Software_Lover]

Wait a minute wait a minute. You mean to tell me that when the rumor was out Microsoft was contemplating an Xbox 1.5 the Sony faithful was full of joy? No. Most were hating the idea and calling it desperation. You have to open your eyes and pay attention.

Most of the people that like the Xbox 1.5 idea are liking the Neo idea. Some of the people hating the Xbox 1.5 idea are liking the Neo idea. Some people hating the Neo idea are liking the Xbox 1.5 idea. It's that simple.

[rainslacker]

I've seen quite a few Xbox people enamored with the idea. Early on, they were the most vocal on how awesome it would be, while everyone else was mostly saying it wasn't a thing, or it was a bad idea.

Pretty amazing how opinion has shifted in the month since these rumors started. Started with almost everyone being against the idea, or thinking it wasn't what people were saying. Now some people are cool with it, others hate it, and others are just waiting to see what it's all about.

Personally, it just feels like a massive troll to me. Not sure who's instigating it, but so many things don't add up, and even some of the more veracious rumors leave things in doubt.

It really does seem people are trying to make it out like all Sony fans are onboard with this idea. While there are quite a few people for this thing, there seems to be just as many that aren't. Sony got it's criticism over the idea just like MS did when all this started, so it's rather useless to say that one group is one way, and now they're another. I haven't seen a lot of hypocrisy surrounding this, and that's kind of hard to call out given that this rumor changes almost daily, so views on it are going to change because of that, or people just change their minds. The early reactions to both companies was typically one of criticism.

[ABizzel1]

@Cobra951

If someone waited this long to get a PS4 (2 1/2 years). Then they aren't the target market at all for PS4 Neo / PS4k.

These gamers are the ones looking for entry level pricing into mainstream gaming, and for them the current PS4 will likely drop down to $199 - $249 in preparation for the PS4k.

And if someone just dropped $400 on a PS4 last holiday (although most bundles were $299), then they can simply sell their current PS4 for $200 or more, and even GameStop is offering $200 for a trade-in. So that's $200 off a 2x more powerful PS4.

The PS4k is for enthusiast, such as the same people who upgrade their PC's to the higher end graphics cards. Games are still going to be designed for the base model and up-spec'ed to the PS4k for those who have it. And for those who want entry level prices the original PS4 will still be available and have over 40m units sold.

[Pongwater]

I couldn't care less what MS does. I don't like this idea.

[maniacmayhem]

Phil already talked about an upgradeable X1 before the Neo was even thought of. Guess which fanbase was against it and now all of a sudden thinking it's not a bad idea.

[starchild]

I'm in favor of upgraded consoles. It just means I'll be able to enjoy my PS4 games at a higher level of quality, and I like that idea.

I do think that they should have done it right off the bat, though. They should have announced from the beginning that there will be two versions of the PS4. I think it would have been more friendly to gamers and been more well-received.

I'm surprised how much people have flip-flopped on this idea. When Microsoft first talked about this concept of upgraded consoles it was met by mostly negativity from many here on N4G, but once it seemed likely Sony would be doing it there was a huge shift in the general attitude towards it. There is far more positivity and open-mindedness towards it now. Obviously there are a variety of different opionions still, but there was definitely a big shift.

[Godmars290]

Really hoping this has more to do with 4k than PSVR because that would mean that the standard PS4 can't support VR properly. That launch titles and certainly later titles are going to have issues forcing people to buy the new system.

[s45gr32]

My question is if PlayStation Now is the PS5, would you embrace cloud gaming?

Would you embrace able to play any PlayStation game on any platform either via the ☁ or digital distribution?

[maniacmayhem]

Where was this statement when MS first announced their Xbox One with all that DRM?

[Muzikguy]

I'd embrace it if this were a good thing. Since it isn't, I understand the hate and am against the PS4K as well

[Aceman18]

Hmm why would I be mad about neo? I'm good with my PS4 and I'm still gonna get the great games I want to play on it. Things too be really mad about that people should be they aren't but an upgraded electronic box they are smh lol.

[Nightmar3Demom]

So I should just go along with change? Why should I be a follower?

[Unite_Gaming]

Best option is sell your current PS4 and with the money you can make you probably can get the PS4 Neo with just a bit more on top. That is of course if it is the same or similar price even.....

[nitus10]

Oh yes I defiantly want to buy the so called PS4K so I can display games in 4K resolution on a 1080p HDTV. I am quite sure that 100's of millions of people are going to throw-out their working HDTV's because they are told that 4K displays are now the in thing.

I think I will wait for 8K (they actually are out now) since I don't really want a low resolution 4K display. 😉

[rainslacker]

I wouldn't sell anything until it's announced. The OGPS4 isn't likely to devalue itself to nothing overnight, and places like GameStop are likely to have good trade in deals like they always do. Even if the OGPS4 gets a price cut to sell through remaining stock, you may lose $50 by waiting. Otherwise, you'll likely be able to get $150-200 for your current PS4 later, and $200-250 now depending on how you sell it.

In any case, since there is no actual word on if this is actually a thing, or if it's something that you'd want to upgrade to, you may just be stuck with having to rebuy the OGPS4 and just be out of some money.

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

Keeping the base and buying thr VR and ps4.5.........but that's just how I roll tho.

[Letthewookiewin]

Funny thing is, people are complaining about how the PS4 will be inferior to the PS4neo, yet the X1 is inferior to the PS4. Sad little Xboys left behind.

[UncertainCategory]

Lot's of rumors are pointing toward Xbox doing the same thing, releasing another more powerful system.

It'll be interesting to see the spec comparison between PS4neo and Xbox 1.5 (or whatever they call it.)

[DeadlyFire]

Microsoft might just announce a next gen console instead and mock Sony. The way Sony jumped away from DRM talk Either way I expect something at E3 from all three now. This upgrade path could offset Microsoft and Sony's new generations further from Nintendo.

[maniacmayhem]

Funny thing is the people who said X1 is inferior will now own an inferior machine,

Ironic?

[GrubsterBeater]

Not really... because XBox will just be inferior to two PlayStation consoles instead of one..

[feraldrgn]

"Grr, I'm so mad about that rumour"
Still waiting for actual confirmation from Sony.

[nitus10]

I am not sure what the writer of the article is really trying to say. Appears to be more along the line of wishful thinking.

I do agree that putting in a 3 layer BluRay player and a 2.0 or 2.1 HDMI connector would be a viable and relatively cheap option which would cater for people with a 4K display and want to play the new 4K 3 layer BluRay disks. By doing this you would not split the PS4 community.

There may be a possibility of a 4K up-scaler but why when all 4K displays already do that and not only that all current PS4's can actually display 4K content although they can't play 4K games and 3 layer 4K movies.

As for 4K or near to 4K games, has any one priced a graphics card that can do this? If this was done then you will need a complete redesign of the PS4 internals which would include a higher rating power supply and of course a cooling system. Somehow I very much doubt that the PS4K would be US$400 if this was done and not only that it would split the community.

At the moment all this is hear-say and rumour until Sony officially denies or confirms (I expect E3) and provides the specs of the supposed PS4K.

[Fin_The_Human]

Where were you guys when the upgradable XB was rumoured?

I saw thousands of articles and people on here slamming MS.

[Muzikguy]

I know right! All these articles are claiming that it's real when it isn't. I don't think Sony would risk throwing in the towel before the next generation even arrives. I say that because people won't buy the PS5 when they could wait for the 5.5. I also don't believe this article when talking about the "massive upgrade in the graphics department". Even IF they say it's "twice the PS4", it still won't be enough. We have such a huge multiple from the PS3 to the PS4 and we still can't get steady FPS @1080P on every game. Then they show Minecraft when talking about 4K. Lmao!

This minor upgrade won't be worth it and I'm still hoping it doesn't happen

[destroyer11687]

Yea, I really love (and by love, I mean I think it's really silly) how much of a stink everyone is putting up about a rumor. I swear, every journalist is acting like it's not a rumor and it has been officially announced by Sony.

I'm perfectly happy playing and enjoying my ps4, and if Sony announces something at some point, then I'll think about what to do then. The amount of pure speculation and hate over something that is literally, as real as a ghost right now, is all just a bit absurd to me.

I say, enjoy what you have and if something changes, make up your mind about how you feel about it then. Why worry so much over something that you literally have no solid evidence about? I feel like the online gaming community has grown a reputation where all we do is complain and whine about things we either know very little about, or have very little experience in.

[esmittystud101]

Articles like this make me feel a little better.

[Next_gen_2015]

LOL so many damage control articles on the ps4k on PSN4g

wonder why....

[MachuchalBrotha316]

Not mad all, Im very excited to see what Neo is like. I've decided to keep my Uncharted4 console on order and get Neo sometime after.

[Gamist2dot0]

Those who aren't planning on getting the PS4K (if it does exist), why does it bother you? So far, I've read people who have owned the PS4, or claim to, since launch and complained about NEO. They're both PS4s that plays the same games only one is more advanced to run the games. If frame rates bother you then find ways to sell/trade your PS4 for the PS4K. I'm getting NEO is the price is right for me.

[Software_Lover]

My only complaint is, if it's in fact because of PSVR, are people gonna complain about false advertising? If PSVR games can barely run on PS4 and you have to purchase a new(er) console to reap the full benefits where will the outcry come from? Are blogs gonna raise pitchforks? Are gaming sites willing to call a spade a spade when it comes to an accessory? Will people look the other way, again?

Of course this is all speculation. They can get PSVR to run properly on ps4 with reduced graphics and most wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

sidenote: I thought the PS4K was just for 4k Blu-ray discs?

[q8kik]

With how strict Sony seems about PSVR games running above 60 fps I guess devs just have to lower the graphical fidelity of the vr games on the vanilla PS4, PS4 Neo is just for the people who want to retain that graphical fidelity while also sticking to that above 60 fps rule. Doesn't mean that the vanilla PS4 wont be able to run vr games above 60fps, the games just simply won't look as good.
Atleast that's how I think it will pan out.

[ManonWire]

No. Neo is a silly concept. Just have one console per generation and leave it be.

The funny thing is Sony have got more to gain from NOT making Neo.

PS4 will only get cheaper and, thus, increase sales and profits.

I think the company that doesn't do a mid-gen upgrade will get the upper hand. The question is who will that be?

[DarXyde]

The author believes this is a Matrix reference with Morpheus? Maybe. I always assumed it was a reference to dreaming and Neo now just means "New". My take, anyway.

If I do decide on buying Neo (which is kind of sort of somewhat likely), then I'm delaying any interest in PSVR indefinitely. It's just asking so much in such a small time frame. And frankly, even if I were a millionaire, I'd be iffy. It's honestly just too much money from consumers at this time. I don't exactly feel comfortable giving any company that much money at once unless I'm buying a new car which would easily run me more than this.

Now if Sony tosses in backwards compatibility, that would be interesting. Sony needs to realize that people will likely feel the need to make a choice. Neo would really benefit PSVR, but capitalizing and potentially asking consumers to buy it for a "premium" VR experience would suck since the two basically validate each other.

Let's wait for more details from Sony themselves.

[ZorinInc]

Children upset that their PS4's are "out of day" need to grow up. Absolute cry babies on here.

[JamesBroski]

I'm worried that most of my games will have a hard time running at a stable fps on the PS4; Fallout 4, The Witcher 3, Just Cause 3 already have that problem, I don't see how it couldn't be even worst. I don't give a heck if people want to waste 1000$ on the same console, I just don't want to be penalize when I got my PS4 less than two years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...
Pretty sure this is what is bound to happen.

[destroyerz1]

I'll probably get this new PS4, but keep in mind that no one need to do this as well. 'Nothing' will change for you, according to rumors. Also, I believe that developers will not consider spending extra time optimizing their games for both consoles. In the end, the graphics in the game are the same on both consoles, except for the exclusive titles, I think.

[Immorals]

I informed a colleague (lifelong playstation owner) about neo earlier today, his reaction was 'f***s sake, I just forked out for my current ps4'. I expect that to be a common reaction.

[Gazondaily]

Tbh I expect the same too.

Im still surprised by this tbh. Part of me thinks that we are misinterpreting something here.

[Immorals]

I'm expecting it to be a ps4 with the psvr compute unit built in,maybe with 4k upscaling

[Bruh]

Want some benefits? Better looking games? lol isn't that the point of this whole mid-cycle upgrade?

[hardcorehenry]

I'm so furiously mad about PSNeo that I'm going to buy the Xbox alternative day 1. that'll show em!

[JamesBroski]

I bought my PS4 not long ago, I don't get why I would spend another 600$ on the same freaking console. If anything, I'd buy an Xbox One as well.

[Christopher]

***has a massive upgrade in the graphics department***

No it doesn't.

***Resolution Scaling***

You're not going to be getting that much bigger of a resolution than you already get on PS4. Also, isn't this just another way to specify #1 argument?

***UHD Blu-Ray Movies***

Can be done on PS4 now...

***The base Playstation 4 will last longer***

Not a given and only will happen if PS4 sales continue to outpace PS4.5.

***Uncharted 4 will knock your socks off again this Christmas***

Essentially #1 all over again.

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See zero reason here to sway me as to why this is worth it at all. And love how absolutely no one is talking about how this can actually improve games, only improve graphics. Wrong direction, people. We need better games, not better looking games.

[Volkama]

Improving graphics is kinda the whole point of this upgrade though isn't it? If Sony were releasing a new console that enabled new experiences then the whole concept of an updated PS4 playing the same games would be out the window. Then the PS4 really would be in trouble lol.

If improved graphics don't appeal to you then I doubt there will be much Sony can do to convince you to buy into the new console, but so long as you're still happily playing PS4 games that's probably not a big headache for them.

[Christopher]

Then you agree with me? That the author didn't propose any actual benefits other than just graphics but made it look like there would be other benefits?

[Gazondaily]

No upgrade in the graphics department? Then whats the point of the 'upgrade' ?

[Christopher]

New features, new capabilities, enhancements to current capabilities (streaming, shareplay, trophies, apps, etc.).

Essentially, the absolutely ONLY point in the upgrade is graphics. But it's not even that big of an upgrade.

Honestly, this whole new console is a waste of time and money that could go towards an actual advancement on all fronts rather than just graphics.

And, are we completely missing out on the fact that the article is talking about "benefits" and turns one benefit into three different ones? Essentially, the absolutely ONLY benefit is just that one, so you can't talk about benefits when no others exist.

So, I question being questioned on why I complain about the majority of the benefits being just one thing when someone tries to make it out like there is more than just that. The topic isn't just how graphics are the benefit, the topic is about multiple benefits (which don't exist).

[Volkama]

A waste of time and money because you don't personally care about graphics?

You said yourself that the whole point ofbthe update is better graphics, so it is little wonder that is at the heart of most benefits. With the exception of the first point, the article focuses on less obvious aspects of that broad stroke that people may not have considered. I don't think many people on N4G have much of a concept of AMD's virtual resolution scaling. In fact i've seen loads of people say they're not interested in the console because they don't have a 4k TV.

Also not heard of the PS4 being a UHD blu-ray player. It certainly can't meet the full spec.

If you want new capabilities then Sony have you covered anyway with PSVR. Hard to accuse them of wasting time and resource when they're delivering to that extent at the same time.

[Ck1x]

Here's the main thing that I don't get about this revision and it's from a business since. Generally when a slim model is introduced, the hardware is shrunk down and it costs less to produce. So how long does Sony plan on having multiple PS4 and PS4 Neo APU's in production for? Are they going to make a PS4 slim as well? I don't think many are even considering this at all, but Sony is the only one using these chips and it's really not feasible to Sony to keep multiple designs in production. I see lots of people assuming that the original PS4 will stay in high demand, but there's not that much of a price difference. So if we take the handhelds into account of the way Nintendo does new revisions, the new PS4 could become the main selling version after a short time...

[Volkama]

General consensus seems to be that the base PS4 will still be in production right alongside the new one. That doesn't rule out the base PS4 being revised into a slim edition, but that'd still only be 2 APUs in production at one time and I don't think AMD will mind :)

[yungrandall]

has anyone considered that neo isn't a new system, rather an accessory? it would make sense given evidence we have right now. it could be an external addition that beefs up the system? i don't know if something like that is technically possible, but I'm surprised everyone has automatically assumed with such little evidence what actually is in development

[IRetrouk]

has anyone thought that maybe this is all just based on a normal slim revision that was seen? maybe the amd stuff is just a smaller version of the current ps4 innards.

[Trilithon]

" I am fairly confident we will see a decent number of 4k games, " gee now im convinced LOL

[Majin-vegeta]

I had a talk with the manager at my local GS and apparently this will now be a new thing going forward.And he did mention they will have trade in programs for them just like the phone companies.Take that as you may.

[Gazondaily]

And how does he know all this?

[deathtok]

Ironically I suspect many that are decrying this change are Smartphone users that celebrate their upgrades every two years.

Playstation is transitioning from a console to a platform. It's different but it's not necessarily awful.

[Melankolis]

Those are the benefits...for those who plan to buy not for the ones who already purchased...

[MRJefferson]

Hmm another ps4k article I wonder how many will be until e3.

[DigitallyAfflicted]

No point having a heated discussion about something that is not even confirmed by sony.

If true, lets wait whats inside the box and how much is it? Then we can make our minds up.

[frogonalog]

Doesn't the PS VR come with a separate box to beef up your PS4? Maybe the PSneo is a PSready4VR.

[Tsunade]

It has been already stated by Sony that the separate box is NOT to beef the PS4 but to split the signals and work some sound stuff.

[kws1065]

Mad about rumor? O...K....

[The_Sage]

I like the way the points are laid out in the article. I am thinking along those same lines. One I would like to add for those worried that the launch PS4 will suddenly lose support need to look at the way Sony has supported their past consoles. For example, the initial PlayStation came out in 1994. The PS2 came out in 2000. The PS3 came out in 2006. The initial PlayStation had its last game release in 2005.

[TomRL]

It seems like a very comfortable middle-ground to me. People who don't want to spend a tonne on the fairly complicated process of getting a gaming PC, but still want prettier and better running games can purchase the Neo, while the even more casual audience isn't losing a thing.