"But what do they even mean? What's the difference between 720p and 1080p, or between 30 frames per second and 60 frames per second — and is it an academic distinction, or a meaningful one? In other words, why should you care?"
It is a good read, but it's an odd title when the two guys they talk to say things like: "Stratton told Polygon that his personal bare minimum is 720p at 30 fps, since "anything below those levels is actively unpleasant." However, he continued, "anything higher isn't necessarily a clear improvement." Asked to choose one or the other, he said he'd probably prefer a higher resolution than a higher frame rate, since he "[doesn't] personally place much value on frame rates above 30 fps." and... "Both Thoman and Stratton agreed that people argue over the importance of frame rate and resolution partly because they're trying to justify their investment in a particular console." and... "In a side-by-side comparison, I don’t believe the average consumer can tell the difference between 720p and 1080p," said Barry Sandrew, PhD, a digital imaging expert who is the founder, chief technology officer and chief creative officer of Legend3D, a well-known stereoscopic 3D and visual effects firm. "If you get into the higher resolutions like 4K or 8K, there is an obvious difference, but the difference is best appreciated when sitting close to the screen and the TV is larger than 55 inches." It's kinda like what most of us have been saying, Resolution and Framerate are important to a degree, but not if they subtract from other aspects of gaming. Having a higher res or FR don't mean the game looks better, or that you can even tell a difference really...it's mostly about fanboy-war bait. At the level we are at in gaming these days, it seems to make less of a difference than ever because other graphical enhancements have trumped these differences. In the past comparison videos were just side by side gameplay and differences were clear, but now we zoom in, slow down, and even compare different in-game times and locations to try and notice a difference. In true side by side videos, differences are almost never noticeable in any significant form. While it's nice to have every game 1080p/60fps, it seems like it's more about the warm-fuzzy feeling than any actual gameplay difference. As gamers we really are getting spoiled, because there hasn't been a single game this new gen that looks even remotely bad.
"having a higher res or FR don't mean the game looks better, or that you can even tell a difference really...it's mostly about fanboy-war bait." EXACTLY. This 1080p/60fps is just the ammunition for the fanboy-war. I don't mind 30fps at all. I would much, MUCH rather have a rock steady 30fps with Vsync than a fluctuating 60fps with lots of screen tearing. But as long as fanboys will talk about how amazing 60fps is that's what devs may end up doing. To me 1080p/60fps should be lower priority, rather than the immediate and sole talking point of every new game. There are far more important technical aspects, IMO.
Agreed. I never downplay graphics as they are an important piece of telling the overall story. But that's where it ends, because if the game has a bad story or terrible gameplay, then no amount of shiny 1080p graphics can save it from itself..
As with any console generation. it is more about what can be done with the hardware (despite any limitations) more than what can't be done. There are some very impressive 240p/24fps (+/-) games from the 16bit days that still hold up well to this day.
Next Gen Nintendo Console, would have 2 SKUs 1. $199 Portable 3D Gaming Console 2. $499 Portable Gaming System + External Radeon R9 290X GPU. Next-Gen Nintendo Games would get 2 resolution setting. 540p when mobile, 1080p 60fps with external GPU.
All I see and hear is the media and us the players squabble over the possibility of the now obsolete holy grail of graphics standard, 1080p/60fps, on hardware that probably wont achieve that for the duration of their cycle (at least in AAA releases). I believe its solely Nintendo's, MS's and Sony's fault we have to deal with such issues today that we've come to expect more, for they chose to go cost efficient on our asses and release hardware incapable of running full-on AAA games at 1080p/60fps. PS: In all fairness, since the PS4 has the extra grunt they might be able to pull it off some time in but, as with everything its another wait and see situation.
They mattered last gen, and the generations before that. Granted, resolution and fps aren't everything, but of course it matters.
Is this what this gen is going to be about? damn
are you saying this wasn't what xbox fans were all about last gen?
Funny how when something's turned around on someone, they quickly change their tune. It's just how the pendulum swings.
I've never seen console gamers reducing games to their resolution like they're doing now so to answear your question, no. That was usually a PC elitist thing. Xbox fanboys did talk about performance quite often though but weren't as obssessed about it like the Sony fanboys are with resolution now, not even close.
Imalwaysright, Yea resolution/missing grass or a shadow. Which is more pathetic. When this gen spawns 100 different comparison sites then get back to us.
@Imalwaysright (really?) It wasn't that long ago, and you can see the evidence on this very site. http://n4g.com/news/585419/... http://n4g.com/news/229681/... http://n4g.com/news/209827/... http://n4g.com/news/81543/c... There were literally hundreds of these exact type of articles in which PS3 owners were marginalized by overzealous Xbox 360 owners who wanted to champion their brand of choice.
Of course it matters, with or without rose tinted glasses on.
Doesn't matter, enjoying the 720p version of Mario Kart 8. Seriously, before the digital foundry articles that confirmed Mario Kart 8 is 720p, everyone thought it was 1080p 60fps because it looks great. I have no problem with resolution at all because anything at 720p and above will look good on a 1080p monitor.. Sure 1080 will look a bit cleaner up close, but it is not night and day like 480p or 560p to 720p for instance. It is stuff like frame rate and screen tearing that bothers me more.
Yeah, screen tearing can be painful to watch.
I remember there was even an article touting how Mario Kart 8 justifies the graphical powers of the Wii-U............ or something like that lol. Everyone thought the game looked great and was 1080p. Now that certain people know the resolution isn't 1080p, they $h!t all over the game. WTF has gaming come to?
Same with Watch Dogs, when it was announced that the console versions were 792p - 900p. Some people turned on the game. It's sad.
I don't even understand those so called gamers. You would think that being able to play a great game was more than enough but no, they reduce the quality of games to their technical aspects. Sad really.
> "But we're very early in the life cycle of the PS4 and Xbox One, and at this point, games that run in native 1080p are relatively rare" Aren't the vast majority of PS4 games at 1080p? If I recall, there were only like 3 that weren't?
The question is, without being told, would you know if the games weren't 1080p?
Not in most cases. Even at 900p Watch Dogs looks great. And I don't really notice the difference between 30fps and 60 unless I try to.
Here's my thing on this subject matter. If you played a game at 900p and was never told it was 1080p you wouldn't notice the difference. Not saying that is an excuse but it's a legitimate argument.
in case the x1 fans leave left out 792p vs 720p 792p is basically 10% better than 720p
@Software_Lover & @imalwaysright 'The question is, without being told, would you know if the games weren't 1080p?' It's not about being told! I guess we should all just wait to read it on the back of the game case and be surprised??? For our 5 year+ investment, gamers (rightfully) expect to be playing a majority of titles running @1080p! It's not like we get our consoles or games for free, so why the hell should we just be grateful to just be playing great games??? It's the hardcore gamers that keep this thing going. Here's my thing. This is a new generation of hardware right? Weren't we stuck on (barely) 720p @sub 30fps for 8 long years. 99.9% of the whole resolution doesn't matter bull is coming from Xbox One owners... Now, I wonder why that is, huh? X1 fanboy excuses are all bull crap, whichever way you wanna cut it! Had the PS4/X1 roles reversed, PS gamers wouldn't be hearing the last of it, as witnessed with PS3! This is PS4's generation baby...now here's an Egg > Suck it!!
.......... This isn't about console allegiance. I own a ps4, but I will not suck it. Everything I have stated here and elsewhere I have stated throughout the ENTIRE 360/ps3 generation. A good game is a good game is a good game. Minor differences in resolution will not change that. Had the roles been reversed, as you so eloquently put it, I would be saying the same thing. It doesn't matter. Frame Rate is another thing altogether. Anything below 30 is unplayable. Anything above 30 is great. It's as simple as that IMHO. Edit: Now if you want to meet me on PC, where we have been gaming in 1200p+ for the last decade then meet me there. 1080p is nothing to be wowed about unless you've played nothing better.
I wasn't saying suck it to you per say, it was general, you may not be a fanboy IDK. Besides, my comment was leaning more toward Resolution. Though 30fps locked is perfectly acceptable IMO. The power issue is being side-stepped (poorly) by a majority of Xbox One fanboys, lying/pretending to themselves that none of this matters, yet they continue to (defensively) comment on it. All because they are on the shorter end of the stick. PC gaming may be amazing, I don't know, tbh I don't really care. I game on Console, the PS4 Console to be precise. I'm not even in the PC scene, so no point trying to deflect with PC 1200p+ rhetoric. 1080p is enough for me, my Samsung 50' only does 1080p. Thanks for at least being civil about it :)
Everything except cutscenes look better in 60fps+
Anyone that thinks 30 FPS is better than 60 is an idiot. And that's why I'll have my PC as my main gaming platform. 30 FPS is just horrid when you've experienced 100+ FPS at 120hz, so the FPS has to be high to get the 120hz PROPER smoothness. 30 FPS being "fine" is just the excuse console idiots have come up with to make themselves feel better, after they realized their precious consoles aren't anywhere near as powerful as they trolled. 1080p, 60 FPS? Cute.
How is this troll NOT banned by now mods? A quick look at his past several hundred post are nothing more than trollish statements. More than page after page of pure garbage. Who's in charge here? How do outright 1 bubble trolls continue to get ignored but HHG gets banned?
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