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Mafia II - Final PS3 Build Has No Grass, Less Blood and Inferior Cloth Movement

2K Elizabeth on the Official Mafia II forums has this to say about the Final Build of the PS3 version of Mafia II:

"Hey guys,

When designing Mafia II, we optimized for each of the three different systems the game would run on to make sure the core experience was the best it could be. Because of this, there are some differences from one platform to the next. In terms of the PS3 version, I wanted to clarify a couple points you have been asking about: There will not be highly detailed grass or large pools of blood, the cloth movement is less noticeable than, for example, the PC version, and the visual fidelity in the demo is generally representative of what you’ll see in the full game. " (2K Games, Mafia 2, PC, PS3, Xbox 360)

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Hellsvacancy  +   2003d ago | Well said
Well, thats a day-1 buy downgraded 2 a rental, im wise when it comes to buyin games so i feel like ive let myself down on this game, was really lookin 4-ward 2 it aswell

What pisses me off is we all know the PS3 is a number of stars above the 360 (the games show that) so y on earth should i hav 2 settle 4 second best?

Lazy development is my guess, its like, do u think they even played the both games after? "hmmmm, theres no grass in the PS3 version", "its ok, who-ever looks down at the grass anyway"

So now comes the wait for Fallout Veags :-(
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Nitrowolf2  +   2003d ago
agree, there is no reason it should be like that, it should be on Par. Even little details like this become noticable. It not that it really doesn't bother me that there are less details just the fact that the devs seem lazy over fixing a little problem.
ExplosionSauce  +   2003d ago
Also, I love how some people bellow immediately jump to hate on a certain system, this time being the PS3, the moment articles like this comes out. These guys pop out suddenly.
Some like to say N4G is PS3-fan dominated, but let's be honest, it's pretty damn even.

[On topic]
I don't know how 2K will respond to this. I mean, we have seen better on the PS3. And simple things like these are signs of some poor development choices. Some devs don't learn or take note from previously made mistakes. You just can't develop for the PS3 the same way you would for 360 or PC.
I still think it's a good game, but come on.

"we optimized for each of the three different systems the game would run on to make sure the core experience was..."
I believe I've heard this excuse before too.
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WhittO  +   2003d ago
4+ years and there are STILL Devs incapable of good programming for the PS3?

No excuses now, people said don't call them lazy etc if some devs find it difficult to code for, but it has been YEARS, there really is no excuse for this to still be happening in mid 2010!
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Aquanox  +   2003d ago
Those Gamespot shots were obviously bullshots. Sadly, we'll have to avoid the PS3 version at all cost. PC version is definitely the one to get but if you only have consoles, you need to go for the Xbox 360 version.
SilentNegotiator  +   2003d ago
So that creative director was full of crap when he claimed that they were identical.
I don't buy games from liars. I'll wait to get it used and cheap.

Oh noes! We have to deal with more content instead of grass!?
And you have to admit, with 2K members claiming identical versions and prettier screens from content EXCLUSIVE to the ps3 version, it was definitely looking like they would be identical.
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niceguywii60  +   2003d ago
Well the PS3 version was already proven to be inferior most often if the game is inferior in a demo comparison there is a reason one version is inferior and will be reflected in the final game.

Devs struggle with the PS3 so they started to cater to the lowest common denominator(PS3) using PS3 as lead so the PS3 would never have to struggle with the 360's advantages by default(despite PS3 being the lead in some games the 360 versions always matched or where/are superior). I see the trend is changing once again to the way it was.
Devs are starting to develop simultaneously again due to the fierce competition with other developers allowing them to get their best work out at the cost of different quality variants across platforms yet not held back by one platform across the board.

PS3 fans will do damage control in response to anything bad about PS3 you can never believe their damage control SDF articles that follow bad PS3 news or PS3 fanboy articles leading up to an gaming event etc.
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karl  +   2003d ago
c'mon guys... MAFIA2 will be such an awesome game.

the ps3 version may be inferior to the other platform and even though i agree that it shouldnt.. i dont think u guys should miss this great game

if u have a pc ... played it there same if u have a 360 .. but dont let this game pass .. i will buy it on ps3...
blind-reaper  +   2003d ago
instead of "EXCLUSIVE CONTENT" they should have invested those resources in "finishing" the PS3 version.
DaTruth  +   2003d ago
I have to disagree. Demos for PS3 are always compressed for distribution so the Ps3 demo does not necessarily have to reflect the finished product! The Ps3 demo for Batman:AA was inferior to the 360 demo, but he finished retail version was superior!

The 360 is tailored for compression, so highly compressed downloadable demos perform better, while the PS3 is tailored for streaming of uncompressed data and textures so compressed demos wouldn't generally perform well!

But considering that most multiplat devs compress the PS3 version of their games for no apparent reason(only thing I can think of is a straight port of the compressed 360 version), it is highly likely that you are right.
Hallmark Moment  +   2003d ago
Blind reaper
They finished the game they just turned some things off and downgraded some things in the ps3 version so ps3 could run the game.
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BISHOP-BRASIL  +   2003d ago
There is a reason, Cell architeture isn't like PC. Last gen optimizing games for multiple consoles was almost as easy as set configurations for a PC game. This gen devs would have to actually redo parts of the program to fit the Cell architeture right, develop way better engines to work multiplat, reasign many of what usually are core CPU and GPU tasks to one of the SPEs, test a lot more to find the best they can take from the machine with their code, work with smaller (through faster) XDR Main RAM while organizing the video data to go to dedicated VRAM (256MB GDDR3)... It takes time, money and talent (this later one which many simply don't have), even if you try to avoid the PC port hell and lead development at PS3, in which case you also won't end up with code ready to port for PC and 360 (but as PC architeture is more familiar it's quickier and cheaper to optimize for it, and things like grass won't go missing somewhere through the process).

In other words, many Devs and Publishers simply prefer to have less work/cost and put out flawed games than actually deserve those 60 bucks. Although it's a reason it's not a good excuse.
maxcer  +   2003d ago

"The 360 is tailored for compression, so highly compressed downloadable demos perform better, while the PS3 is tailored for streaming of uncompressed data and textures so compressed demos wouldn't generally perform well!"

lol omg what a load of pure bull shit.
bakasora  +   2003d ago
I played the demo i can see that the quality of texture arent so great. Now thats some lazy sh!t!
FarEastOrient  +   2003d ago
I've downgraded my purchase from collector's edition to wait for it on sale...
FACTUAL evidence  +   2003d ago
@ niceguywii60
ORLY?? Explain why FF13 is inferior on the 360 then.
HSx9  +   2003d ago
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Foliage  +   2003d ago
This is embarrassing. When you create a PC game and place it on both consoles like they have, the PS3 performs twice as fast immediately. I've had this happen with 4 games I worked on.

Unfortunately you are left with nothing else to do but focus your optimization on the 360 alone to make up for the lack of space and terrible processor. As a result, you leave the PS3 version on the shelf because it didn't need as much optimization.

In the end you have a PS3 game with very little optimization, and a 360 game that was optimized to death and barely runs anyway (Mafia 2 on 360 has no AA and terrible screen-tearing). That's the hard truth.

In this case they probably ran out of time and shipped whatever they had, which is terrible from a developer of their caliber... embarrassing really. No other words... maybe "pathetic", that also comes to mind. Instead of optimizing the PS3 version, they went with the quick fix of disabling anything they could switch off. This is an obvious sign that they paid very little attention to the PS3 game. Grass and emitters are not something you plan to cut, those are things you cut because you ran out of time.

I'm not buying this game. I was going to, but no amount of DLC in the world will cover this up. Even 360 owners will get screwed, sine their game runs worse than the PS3 version (at least they have the small details though)....

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nycredude  +   2003d ago
Look at all the comments of hypocrites. All the people talking down teh Ps3 version and talking up the 360 should just stop talking. Cause if it was that important to you that the game ran good then you wouldn't consider either version and go with the Pc version.

I paid it off on steam already and am playing through Mafia 1 for free while I wait for the superior version to unlock.
kasasensei  +   2003d ago
"Demos for PS3 are always compressed for distribution so the Ps3 demo does not necessarily have to reflect the finished product!"

Ridiculous. omg you failed so hard! XD
Demos are never representative, but there is no "more compression with the ps3 and it's leading to a biased representation of the game", you are saying bullshit.
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T9X69  +   2003d ago
Well I tried to tell everyone here those Gamespot screenshots where the PC version using a PS3 controller, but noooooooooooooo I'm an "Xbox Fanboy" and I was just trolling.
danfry  +   2003d ago
The reason for this is...
When compared to PC and 360 (which are practically identical, PC's are just very, very powerful 360's), the PS3 is radically different to code for. In fact, whilst the PC version just needs a simple port to the 360, the PS3 needs an entirely different engine for the game to run on. This is of course very, very expensive as the entire architecture of the code has to be changed for a good PS3 port.

So what has happened here is that despite the above, the developers still just port the code to the PS3, but because of the different hardware of the PS3, the game has to be simplified a lot, only using 2 of the 8 PS3's processing cores and so on.

This is like having a Ferrari, but only doing 35MPH because there is a Horse Box in front of you.
0mega4  +   2003d ago
is this a big surprise?
computers have more power of course there will be some that will be able to play them at the highest settings

yet some will play on a lower setting much like what playing on the console version is like

it will have no effect on game play
frostypants  +   2003d ago
Looks like if I'm gonna play this game it'll be on my 360. Note the "if". Since these devs are too lazy to make freaking grass on the PS3, I can only imagine that their laziness and ineptitude will manifest itself in other areas of the game as well, on all platforms.

So, I'm just not going to bother with this game at all. I'm not going to reward mediocrity.
moparful99  +   2003d ago
Enough! People need to stop speculating as to why the ps3 has issues when it comes to ports.. It has nothing to do with the ps3 being inferior or a bad system it has everything to do with a design decision. Because the cell uses spe's it only has a single core so developers get the code running on the single core and leave the spe's untouched. THIS is why multiplats suffer on ps3, they are only using a fraction of the calculation potential of the ps3. Sony and ibm created the cell with split memory 256 each for pre and post processing so when the single core is used half of the memory is available... I really wish deevelopers would learn to use the spe's seeing as they offer huge advantages in processing on the ps3 but due to time or money or whatever reasons they do not.. We get inferior ports more often then not...
The Lazy One  +   2002d ago
"This is embarrassing. When you create a PC game and place it on both consoles like they have, the PS3 performs twice as fast immediately. I've had this happen with 4 games I worked on. "

Which games are those? I can tell you right now, nobody who's worked on any game that's actually licensed for both consoles would ever say such a thing. While it may be true, saying something like that would probably lose you your job or at least land you in a lot of hot water.

Also it's stupid. The PS3 would never perform twice as fast immediately. It's a completely different architecture. The only way it would perform better immediately would be if you programmed it poorly for the PC in the first place.

It could perform better after a couple months of work, but it would never perform better immediately.
BrianB  +   2003d ago
Teh power of teh cell
RememberThe357  +   2003d ago
That gives them less of a reason. If 2k wants to drag their feet then they will have to take less sales.
D4RkNIKON  +   2003d ago | Well said
Yeah it is the Cell's fault, not the devs. You must be some kind of Genius! /s

The PS3 can do Uncharted and GOW but can't pull off Mafia II because... DEVS
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ExplosionSauce  +   2003d ago | Well said
This isn't a matter of hardware. We've definitely seen better on the PS3.
Psfan999  +   2003d ago
What makes me mad was that at one point, 360 fanboys were bitching about how their version was superior. Then, ps3 fanboys started bitching about how it's equal. Now everyone is gonna be bitching!

Oh, and there is no excuse not to fix this.
BrianG  +   2003d ago
It is def not a hardware issue, this is just lazy development. If they can not get the game to run equally as good, then they need to fire who they have developing for the PS3 and get more experienced people. It is just about 4 years since the PS3 launched, there is no excuse for this type of development.

Yea the CELL may be harder to program for, if thats the case get more experienced people.

By the way, this goes for both systems, there is no reason for sub par multiplats on XBox neither. If you cant make them equal, don't make it.
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Brosy  +   2003d ago
The Cell might theoritically be more powerful, but you would never know it looking at the PS3's games. 2 games that look exceptional is pathetic compared to the amount of titles on the market. Oh well, 2k Czech isn't exactlly famous for making great games anyway.
JackBNimble  +   2003d ago
I have the Mafia 2 demo on both PS3 and PC, and I tell ya they are pretty much the same.
The PC version didn't seem all that much better then the PS3, maybe a little crisper but I really didn't notice any difference in the grass or anything else for that matter.

EDIT: Just to be clear .... the PC version ain't all that shit hot either!
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darkziosj  +   2003d ago
just like all the ps3 multiplatform games nothing new
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gamingdroid  +   2003d ago
I think people are missing the point, it isn't about if the hardware is capable. It is about human resources and software technology that better fits the current technology.

The Cell may well be a supercomputer when it comes to cranking out Fast Fourier Transforms or whatever other calculations, but it is not as good for general computation. Cell is designed to do fast computation on repeated calculations, not on memory intensive tasks.

This means that a lot of the current programming paradigms will not work on the Cell. You will have to redesign the software from scratch and this is no laughing matter. That is very costly, not to mention the learning curve.

Devs or not, Sony isn't innocent. This is the result of supposed "superior" technology introduced when the market isn't ready.
n4gno  +   2003d ago
"just like all the ps3 multiplatform games nothing new"

only xbox dreamers believe that kind of joke (it's less pathetic than others "ooposite world" examples, like "you have no games", or "x more powerfull than ps3", but always sad to see misinformed people trying to misinform others)
FarEastOrient  +   2003d ago

No it basically boils down to talent, and for the comparison of the PS3 I'll have to use the PC as an example. I'm using a Quad-Core i7 which is really nice, yet even Starcraft II isn't using it to full specs and Civilization 5 isn't expected to either.

I use an 8-Core for my servers yet many of the programs feeding through the system maxes out at Duo-Cores.

What I'm getting at even though technology has gotten better, human programming isn't catching up as fast and definitely not passing the current limitations. Moore's law is working for machines but human processing is still too slow, need to change on how one thinks about writing code.
Kurt Russell  +   2003d ago
The only time PS3 games look any good is after years and years of development as an exclusive. It's a shit to program for, which is clear when not viewed through fanboy goggles - Only person to blame is Sony for that, not "lazy programmers" etc... These lazy programmers do a great job on other systems. Wake up smell the roses people.

frostypants  +   2003d ago
Brosy, 2 games? Metal Gear, Little Big Planet, GT5:P, Uncharted, Uncharted 2, GOW, Wipeout HD, etc. None of these have an equal on the 360. And I own both platforms, so don't try to BS me here.
0mega4  +   2003d ago
the ps3 may not have the best ports
but its exclusives rival graphics achieved on very highend computer systems

ps3 in comparison with the 360 wins hands down in the graphical compartment of gaming

the xbox may come out with the most sales but the ps3 will be remembered as developers pushing it to its limits and creating some of the best games of the generation
gamingdroid  +   2003d ago
Actually, NO! Your logic is kind of really far off base.

Human programming? I don't even know what that means?

As processing power gets faster and programming projects gets bigger, what do you think the developers will put resources into? Maximizing the performance or put more resources into finishing the product?

My point being, hardware (and hence programming tools) should focus on how a programmer can most EASILY take advantage of a available computing power. There is no point in exerting an extra 80% work, to squeeze out 5-10%! That is not economical.
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S_C  +   2003d ago
@ Hellsvacancy
why should less grass make a day 1 go to a preowned ?
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RememberThe357  +   2003d ago
Becuase that's lame.
Instead of looking for ways around the issues they had with the PS3, they left is alone and gave PS3 buyers some exclusive DLC. That's lame.

There are a ton of games coming out and that I have passed up, you have to earn my purchase. Thats is not how you do it. And since now that my 360 crapped out all I can play is my PS3. The PS3 version is like an unfinished 360 version and that's bull shit.
MiloGarret  +   2003d ago
"Instead of looking for ways around the issues they had with the PS3, they left is alone and gave PS3 buyers some exclusive DLC. That's lame."

I don't think it's as easy as simply "finding ways" around the issues, it's clearly an issue about resources as well given how often it happens. I also think it's a fantastic solution to offer free dlc as compensation.
Persistantthug  +   2003d ago
@S_C.....if it's just grass, then mabey that's not so bad....I'm willing to wait and see.
But if its more, then as a hardcore PS3 owner, I'm not gonna reward bad work, the same way I and others didn't reward Platinum Games for their crappy job of BAYONETTA.

Doing so will only encourage them to do what they did again.

I mention Platinum Games, because it looks like Czech 2K did the same thing.... they tied to get someone else do the port when they should have develop led the game on the PS3 in the first place.

If they lose enough sales and critical acclaim and get embarrassed enough, they'll so it right the next time, and so will many other onlooking developers......they'll be to frightened not too.

Fear works wonders....Ask Platinum Games :)
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morganfell  +   2003d ago
No reason for this level of incompetent development. Preorder canceled.
siyrobbo  +   2003d ago
seems that instead of specifically developing for each system, they just ported the pc code and downgraded it

i can only speak for the 360 version

aliasing is horrendous
game looks sub-hd

not very impressed

especially when you look at a game like red dead redemption, even though the ps3 version is sub hd, both versions look fantastic
morganfell  +   2003d ago
In light of great looking multiplt titles this type of half assed work is inexcusable. The only thing these developers and publishers understand is a vote with the wallet.

I give them a day before they print something worthless called a "clarification." They need to understand that PS3 gamers don't like shovelware.

Far too many games from 3rd parties look great. This isn't 2006. Excuse value - 0. Sales from me - 0.00
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commodore64  +   2003d ago | Well said
@ Morganfell.

Hmmm, the third party games you are referring to are likely KZ2, GOW3 and UC2.
Apart from those three, there is nothing that really shows us the power of the ps3.

As a matter of fact, for every ONE of your third party games that look really great on ps3, there are 20+ multiplats that are simply inferior on the ps3.

There really is no other way to put it.
We are halfway through 2010 and today multiplats continue the trend of being inferior on the ps3.

It has become one of the defining hallmarks of the ps3 this gen.
Don't get mad about it.
Just accept it.

I am sure Mafia II will still be a decent game on ps3.
The developer has stated that:
"Our aim is to make a cohesive and immersive experience and optimize the game for each platform so that it could run its best. And while there are some differences between each version, I’m sure you’ll find that the core gameplay and the heart of Mafia II remains no matter whether you play on PS3, 360, or PC."

There you have it - it'll still be ok on ps3.
It's not the end of the world.
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jetlian  +   2003d ago
morganfell why don't you tell the experts how to do it lol. people just won't except the facts that cell isn't all its cracked up to be
XabiTheHumble  +   2003d ago
so KZ2 UC2 and GOW3 are third party titles now? LMAO!!!
Anon1974  +   2003d ago
Always happens.
Whenever there's an article about a PS3 port that might have a slightly blurred texture or unnoticeable difference in loading times you'll find some fanboy who insists that this is the norm. 2007 was a long time ago, my friends. While there may be some versions that lag on one console, these are few and far between and it all boils down to opinion anyway. What makes a game superior? Better graphics, or 5% less screen tearing or load times or control issues with a faulty d-pad or paying extra to game online, etc...etc? It all boils down to personal preference.

Even the sites like Lens of Truth have commenting recently, even when they give one console a victory over another that "You'd never be able to notice the difference, even side by side." And what do sites like this compare? 5% of the multiplat games out there?

Differences between versions of software are inevitable when you're developing for totally different hardware - but most developers have it down so you'd never notice. Thankfully we have the internet to point it out when, if pausing the game and zooming in on that certain shadow to the left in the background - god forbid a texture is a little blurred on one version compared to the other.

I agree with Morganfell on this one. When it does happen, there's only the developer to blame. We know what the PS3 hardware is capable of because we see it proven time and time again.
jneul  +   2003d ago
@commodore way to be ignorant I can name many more games

Even uncharted 1 is better than most games on x360 and that was a release game but anyway enough of that here is my list that owns your entire statement

Heavenly Sword
Wipeout HD
GT5:Prologue (still better than forza 3)
Uncharted 1
Uncharted 2
Ratchet And Clank:TOD(was platformer on release)
Ratchet And Clank:ACIT(now is best platformer and no platformer is as good on x360, sorry)
Killzone 2
Infamous (looks better and is better than prototype in every way)
Heavy Rain

Multiplatforms that was better on PS3
Dragon Age

Infamous 2
KIllzone 2
Motorstorm: A

my list can keep on going on but carry on thinking x360 is superior when the best x360 could do is wake and was meant to make PS3 look inferior but only confirmed x360 has no juice left in the box 540p and 4XAA compared to GOW III 720p and MLAA (which is 16xAA to idiots), btw KZ3 AN INFAMOUS 2 AND LBP2 ARE USING MLAA SO NO MORE EXCUSES ABOUT IT ONLY BEING DOWN TO HAVING FIXED CAMERAS:P
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solidjun5  +   2003d ago
You're as ignorant as ever man. You're so blinded by console loyality, it's almost laughable you try to tailor your writing to sound article. Laughable.

As someone pointed out, here's a list of games that throw your ridiculous argument out the window.

Heavenly Sword
Wipeout HD
GT5:Prologue (still better than forza 3)
Uncharted 1
Uncharted 2
Ratchet And Clank:TOD(was platformer on release)
Ratchet And Clank:ACIT(now is best platformer and no platformer is as good on x360, sorry)
Killzone 2
Infamous (looks better and is better than prototype in every way)
Heavy Rain

See? you're a nutty fanboy. Don't deny it. Accept it. I'm sure you're cringing inside.
Christopher  +   2003d ago
Yeah, the stark differences just pushed me over to buying this for the PC instead.
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raztad  +   2003d ago
the differences are ridiculous. I have a piss poor laptop, played it on low settings and still looked better. The only thing I'll be missing is the additional content.
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JackBNimble  +   2003d ago
Really... you have a piss poor laptop, played it on low settings and still looked better?

vulcanproject  +   2003d ago
Subjective. Even with lower settings if he maintains a good framerate and has vsync on so its at least playable than i would prefer it over a bunch of tearing and slowdown.

I thought the 360 demo had bad tearing and slowdown- until i played the PS3 version. I wouldnt put money down on EITHER console version, much like i wouldnt with the original mafia which was only any good on PC too.

There is simply no way i would play this on a console because of they way they run more than how they look. I just cant stand teary chuggy games.
raztad  +   2003d ago

I' m not bullshiting.

My laptop only got a ATI 3650, Core 2 Duo 2.5GHz.

Granted I had to lower the res bellow 720p to keep a playable framerate, but the image quality of the PS3 version was comparable to mine, and on top of that the PC version had "extra" stuff like grass and better textures.

Of course I'm not playing this game until I get a decent PC, but it is very sad the PS3 is in such a poor state.
jack_burt0n  +   2003d ago

Whats wrong with your ps3?! granted neither console version has vsync but the ps3 has less tearing pretty clearly.

So tbh i can understand them cutting the grass lol to get it even a little better, hell playing the pc version i had to cut the physx because the optimization was total shite if it worked at all supposedly it needs a new set of nvidia drivers.
JackBNimble  +   2003d ago
I only quoted you,
" I have a piss poor laptop, played it on low settings and still looked better".

I would agree that it's comparable on pc at low settings, the only real difference that I could see at that level was the grass.

There has never been any doubt in my mind that the PC version is a better looking game, just not to the extent that most PC fanboys claim.Although I don't have the best graphics card yet either .... so what do I know?
vulcanproject  +   2003d ago
@ jack_burton
'PS3 has less tearing' Well i'll leave that up to a technical analysis and someone with the tools to prove that but to my eyes it didnt. Not that im claiming 360 had less, they both seemed about as prone which was....very.

Even if PS3 does have a bit less, Its like saying someone is a bit less dead from a fatal accident.

All that tearing is still nasty

Plus physx on Pc is purposely screwed up by nvidia anyway so it doesnt run well on slower cards or CPUs
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tinybigman  +   2003d ago
it's a good thing i didn't pay for the game with hard earned cash. i love trade-ins :)
tinybigman  +   2003d ago
would give a disagree with trading in games to get another? sad person.
FragMnTagM  +   2003d ago
GAMES for one new one I suppose.
number47  +   2003d ago
Its interesting to see so many people that downplay Graphic Powerhouses/award winning titles,
are all here in full force celebrating minimal graphical differences between a PC version of a game, compared to a console version of a game.

These people all make excuses for the lack of visually stunning titles on their console, and claim that gameplay is of the utmost importance when it comes to gaming. Where is that attitude right now? I often see the people make excuses to flame by saying "so the ps3 s 'allegedly' powerful yet it can't do grass?!!?". Well in incapable hands, any tool can be misused. After seeing what it has to offer, how can a person come to the conclusion that 2k is the end all designer and developer of games, not a Naughty Dog, or someone trained in it? -- Thats right, none of you will be in that story commenting.

Yet, we see these people here today celebrating grass, and cloth movment? Its as if they have these uncanny eagle eyes when it comes to the differences in multiplatforms, but then they have mudvision when it comes to other titles.

Its amazing how people can't see things when they aren't avaliable on their console. Its a shame that 2k is lying about the PS3 version of the game at this point.

I'm going to sign up onto the forum and ask point blank, are the Screenshots on the PSblog from the PS3 version of the game, if so, why is there grass in the build, and high levels of AA that aren't in the Demo. 2k games is pulling a Turn10/Epic with this one, they deserve to be busted for it.
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raztad  +   2003d ago
Cloth physics is ONLY feasible in PhysX capable rigs. Physx seriously hit game framerate if done on CPU.
Mista T  +   2003d ago
told you so, :P

SilentNegotiator failed :P
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SilentNegotiator  +   2003d ago
You have to admit, with 2K members claiming identical versions and prettier screens from content EXCLUSIVE to the ps3 version, it was definitely looking like they would be identical.

I failed in absolutely no capacity, as all of the evidence was in my favor.

You fail, however, for believing that a demo based off of an old build was conclusive proof towards the final versions.
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Whitey2k  +   2003d ago
u mean 3rd best :(
MmaFanQc  +   2003d ago
Dear Elizabeth from 2K
were not in 2007, sry but i wont buy your shitty port, im not even sure if im gonna rent it.

A guy who WAS on the edge of buying your game.
tplarkin7  +   2003d ago
Proof is in the pudding. The PS3 pudding has less polygons than Xbox 360 pudding. This is a fact proven over and over.
DaTruth  +   2003d ago
Nathan Drake's character model alone has more polygons than most 360 games!
SephireX  +   2003d ago
They're consoles, not puddings you dumbass!
SaberEdge  +   2003d ago
DaTruth, that was such a stupid comment. Complete BS.
PirosThe4th  +   2003d ago
lol... actually he is pretty close...
Nathan Drake has 80,000 polygons while a character from Halo 3 or GoW has around 10-12,000

If u count the polygons of the screen plus a few characters. Nathan might still nearly have as much polygons as a shot from a 360 'exclusive game'.
Man In Black  +   2003d ago
Fucking laziness...
Seriously, 8 years in development, and they can't even put in 3D grass or blood pools? Didn't devs master this about 10 years ago? I'm happy to see that cloth movement is in at all, but the lack of the other small details is a sign of pure laziness.
PotatoClock  +   2003d ago
They did, its called PC and Xbox versions.

PS3 is a different beast, and will need awhile for multiplat devs to get used to. When the games are exclusive then thats when the devs can spend all their time perfecting it for that system, which is why Killzone and Uncharted can do alot on it.
MmaFanQc  +   2003d ago
dont be ridiculous with the old "PS3 is a different beast, and will need awhile for multiplat devs to get used to..." song.

it was "acceptable" in 2007....but now were in 2010 FFS.
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heroprotagonist  +   2003d ago
Well at least they are being honest and explaining that due to the differing strengths and weaknesses of each console they couldn't make every version exactly equal. I hate when devs just lie and try to act like all versions of their game are exactly the same even when it is plain as day that they are not.
Man In Black  +   2003d ago
Actually, these assholes did lie, claiming that both console versions looked identical, and even releasing doctored PS3 screenshots. They've only come clean about a week before release.
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JsonHenry  +   2003d ago
This happens time and again. Hopefully next gen sony will produce a dev friendlier architecture. No company seems to want to put the extra time and money into working with the PS3 unless it is an exclusive. And from a business stand point I don't blame them. But as a consumer it still sucks.
jmorph9  +   2003d ago
Sony knew when it choose the cell that its architecture would make it difficult to port software with other systems, they did it on purpose. It worked wonders for the ps2, keeping many games exclusive or at least having the superior version on the ps2. However, when you are no longer the leader, it works against you.

It's a shame too, I think ps3 is the best value.
Jaces  +   2003d ago
Rental sounds about right. I really liked the demo but if they can't pull their heads out of their asses then I see no reason to reward them that $60 for a sub-par game.
solar  +   2003d ago
propietary systems. gotta love it.

edit: limited resources. 5 years behind on tech. do you really expect more?
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madjedi  +   2003d ago
Wow you guys are really reaching on this one.
Well lets see since both console versions, have been proclaimed as nothing special, by both ps3 and 360 owners and both consoles have their own superior graphical games.

Better coding would probably been appreciated by both ps3 and 360 owners.

But i am laughing at all the 360 fools ranting and raving about a "superior" multiplatform game, not an exclusive but a multiplatform game. Or trying to pass of a low tier multiplatform as proof of the cell's shortcomings, but they have apparently never seen gow3, uc1 and 2, killzone 2 visuals.

Okay really the boasting about exclusive games, is little more than each side boosting their own sides ego. But some of you 360 guys have gotten really sad, your fucking going on and on about multiplatforms being superior.

Are some of you guys so ashamed about your own upcoming exclusive games that you have to resort to elevating multiplatform games above your own exclusives, to use as ammunition against the ps3.

I didn't buy my ps3 for multiplats i bought it for sony exclusives, the good third party multiplats are a bonus.

The way you 360 guys on n4g have been acting the last few months, makes me believe, you care alot more about your "superior multiplatform games" than most of your own exclusives.

If nothing else thank you for the laughs 360 guys.
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Chug  +   2003d ago
*Goes to Amazon*
*Cancels pre-order*
meluvulongtime  +   2003d ago
They obviously don't know how to develop on the PS3 if they think what they did is optimized for the PS3. Wasn't really interested in Mafia II before, now not interested the slightest
AKS  +   2003d ago
It's odd that they claim to have tried to optimize the best it could be for each individual platform. The optimization of the PC demo was awful and didn't look that special. Crysis and Far Cry chugged, but they look incredible. This game shouldn't be difficult to run at max settings with the exception of PhysX.
SephireX  +   2003d ago
I'll be getting this on PC if the reviews are good. I can't help feeling though that this game will disappoint.
Raul_7  +   2003d ago
Isnt that Grass?

It's either a bullshot or that Elizabeth haven't seen the PS3 final build!

Was gonna pre-order, now i am gonna wait for the reviews.
fireplace  +   2003d ago
Bullshot. It's even rendered in higher resolution than the game (full size on playstation blog somewhere)
I guess you can do that stuff during development on dev equipment.
So they turn up resolution, turn on all the stuff, some effects, in result game goes 5 frames per second. Enough to take some awesome shots!
Damn you cant even be sure if this code ran on PS3, as they develop this DLC on PC's (just like everything else for consoles).
multips3fan  +   2003d ago
you guys are funny buying the 360 version and pc for the the more incredible grasses?.ya ppl are hilarious.
colonel179  +   2003d ago
As I understand here, it's not about the grass, it's about the meaning of if. being the lazy development, and how even after 4 years, we still get excuses about how the PS3 is hard to develop for, and all the BS from 2006.

I really don't know how developers have the ballz to get a game out like this. They just look ridiculous and loos a lot of respect.
Eddie20101  +   2003d ago
Other than the grass the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions look the same, they both have no anti aliasing, the frame rate looks the same for both, the only difference is the grass.

So, to some people the Xbox 360 version having grass makes that version leaps and bounds much better than the PS3 version. Well in reality it is not leaps and bounds better, in fact the game is not that impressive looking on any of the systems, so in my opinion the reason for buying this game should be based on its game play not on how it looks.
Eddie20101  +   1999d ago
Correction, the PC version looks much better and runs much better on a decent machine. The console versions still don't look that great or run that great.
BkaY  +   2003d ago
i didnt like the demo..
so no buy for me ...may be sometime later but not yet... and yep i am looking forward to fallout : LV.... loved Fallout:3

ReservoirDog316  +   2003d ago
I honestly never cared for the look of this game. Something about the way the people look and talk. Feels fake and story's nearly always #1 in my book.

I doubt I'll end up playing it regardless of graphics. I really don't care about graphics anyways.
Kos-Mos  +   2003d ago
@ hell

For the love of god, learn how to write without numbers.
People might think you`re a 12 year old girl.
DelbertGrady  +   2003d ago
If Sony gave proper support to third party devs this wouldn't happen again and again.

The 'lazy devs' excuse is pitiful. Look at games like Red Dead Redemption. Redifining open world gaming. A game that most other devs wouldn't have the skill or resources to tackle. Do you think they wanted the PS3 version to be inferior? They wouldn't gain anything at all from it. On the contrary, they might lose potential buyers.

We know that the PS3 is capable of mindblowing graphics. All of those games are made by first party developers, who get lots of technical support from Sony. Maybe if they gave some of that support to third party devs you wouldn't have to suffer the consequences.

Maybe, just maybe, Sony wants you to pick the games that they themselves publish instead of buying from third party publishers.
Tachyon_Nova  +   2003d ago
Third best actually. PC, 360, Teh Cell!
RumbleFish  +   2003d ago
"we optimized for each of the three different systems" ohhh.... really...?

Well, could you explain then to me why the PS 3 version is not the best one of the console versions?
I mean, did those guys of 2K have a look at games over the last few years? DId they notice, there were games like God of War III, Uncharted 2 etc.? You can even go back to launch titles of the PS 3: there is nothing like Motorstorm on any other platform. And those guys try telling us, they've optimized their product for each of the three systems.

This is pathetic!
No Way  +   2003d ago
Unless, perhaps.. these developers are new to the PS3? Maybe? No? Oh.. o.O
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Sony360  +   2003d ago
Ever consider that the Ps3 really isn't that much better and it just has more solid 1st party support, hence the reason for the shiny exclusives?

How come every time we get the same result and the same excuses from you Ps3 fanboys?

The Ps3 version doesn't look as good, so it "must be lazy development" or "they don't know how to program for the Ps3".

It's okay though, you have the free content to make you feel better about having the inferior version.
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Crazyglues  +   2003d ago
Wow... I'm disgusted at this... I can't believe 2K games
How the hell does 2kgames make a Piss Poor pathetic version for PS3..

I'm going to cancel this game right now.. this is just ridiculous, I'm sick and tried of these developers making a watered down version for PS3 and then charging the same price of a Quality game....

This guy went on and on about how in Mafia 1 the console version was trash, and that this time around they fixed that and made a real amazing console experience to match the PC version..

-and now this sh*t, they couldn't even get the dam grass to look right, you gotta be kidding me.. (PS3-Users DO NOT BUY THIS GAME) -rent it if you have to, or get it used... these guys do not deserve you money..

If you want to water it down charge the water down price of $49.99 like Hawx 2, and if you don't want to charge that low for brand new, then make a dam Quality game...

2K games I was your biggest fan, and loved Mafia 1 but now I'm disgusted with you, and I will now go on a full all out onslaught of telling everyone I know and see not to buy this game... you idiots FAIL

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vhero  +   2003d ago
God I hate lazy developing.. The proof is in the pudding though I mean this game has taken what around a year to make?? GTA took over 4 years... Why?? Each system was worked on separate rather than a shoddy port.. Ah well guess that's the amount of money in the industry these days its forcing devs to make silly decisions. Either way it will still sell really well on ps3.
diego750  +   2003d ago
Totally agree. Lazy, motherfuckers developers. Why dont they work on the PS3 version? Even if it takes longer. I dont really know but if they work in the PS3 version I am sure the 360 version will look good, too.
RandomGamer  +   2002d ago
I just love how they say it isn't a port and each version was made on each platform.What a joke
dantesparda  +   2002d ago
Aint this game
made on the GTA engine? Rage i think its called. Damn fucking engine, shit sucks for PS3.
topgeareasy  +   2003d ago
over graphics (exclusive DLC)
Game-ur  +   2003d ago
Screw exclusive content, I'll play it on my 360 for the detailed grass.
siyrobbo  +   2003d ago
pc rules all
ActionBastard  +   2003d ago
"Screw exclusive content, I'll play it on my 360 for the detailed grass."
That's a joke, right?
rdgneoz3  +   2003d ago
If you want the detailed grass, go for the PC version.
Game-ur  +   2003d ago
@Action Bastard
Do you believe somebody actually thinks like that?
wissam  +   2003d ago
LOL. I like your humor.
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number47  +   2003d ago

lol.. well you did get a lot of agrees...
Sony360  +   2003d ago
Screw the grass, I'll get more content of the same sloppy looking version.
Nitrowolf2  +   2003d ago
wow complete BS, 2K really???
even though it seems like something little, come on this just make it feels like the devs aren't trying to fix wat seems to be a simple fix
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psman012  +   2003d ago
Agreed. Although Im not going to give a big deal about grass and blood and cloth, it is still kind of sucky that it doesnt have it. Content over graphics as topgeareasy has said above
NYC_Gamer  +   2003d ago
no ps3 owner should buy this half ass port..typical from take-two owned studios
Tachyon_Nova  +   2003d ago
So in other words you would rather have no game at all instead of a game with somewhat poor graphics and good gameplay? Download the demo, it ain't half bad.
Focker-420  +   2003d ago
Who honestly cares?? Oh thats right, the 360 fanboys
AliTheBrit19  +   2003d ago
Actually I would think PS3 players would care about there version of the game being inferior? surely...
Focker-420  +   2003d ago
Oh no!!! My curtains and grass, what will I ever do?! Give me a break.
etownone  +   2003d ago
C'mon now ... Admit it .... You care!!! Lmao

And so do the other 90 percent of Sony fans that troll this site that constantly bring up but but but Uncharted 2 and and and FF 13 in every 360 exclusive article. Just go look at any article on Reach to prove my point.

It is what is it .... and ALL Sony fans should be used to it by now. Multi-plat games 99 percent of the time are superior on the 360.

PS3rd - IT ONLY DOES EVERYTHING ... but grass
KiRBY3000  +   2003d ago
@ above
Flower does grass better than any other game.
Motorola  +   2003d ago
Listen: You cant buy it used unless some one buys it first. Sooo its gonna be NEW FOREVER D:
badz149  +   2003d ago
etownone OWNED!
OpenGL  +   2003d ago
@ KiRBY3000
But grass is pretty much all it does. There are no character models, and environment geometry for the most part is pretty simple. Don't get me wrong, Flower is a damn impressive game, but you'll never see a real game on the PS3 rendering grass on that level, because it takes too much away from everything else.
Seijoru  +   2003d ago
Fuck you prick, 80% of multiplats looks equal on both systems. Just some lazy devs still out there who make bad ports doesn't mean shit. PS3 has already shown its capabilities and they are far beyond some shitty port with no grass.
KiRBY3000  +   2003d ago
@ openGL
it was a joke man. dont take it so seriously. :)
wissam  +   2003d ago
And so do the other 90 percent of Sony fans that troll this site that constantly...

So x360 fanboys don't troll here.
diego750  +   2003d ago
Man, you cannot blame everyone about that. What about Xbox fanboys, huh? They bring up other games to the discussions, too. Fanboys are everywhere, not just in Sony. That is a stupid comment man.
lowcarb  +   2003d ago
Honestly I don't think 360 fanboys care to much for news like this. People that simply want to troll to upset people will say something.
Sony360  +   2003d ago
u mad bro?
enkeixpress  +   2003d ago
... It's such a kick in the head from 'em.. like, seriously :(
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jack_burt0n  +   2003d ago
I respect your passionate destructiopn of 2k PR, but have you tried the 360 demo? because while it might have grass the framerate is MUCH worse it tears almost every single god damn frame.

So can you make a whole lot of noise about that, on the 2k forums?
No Way  +   2003d ago
What the hell is wrong with your xbox?!
Don't have one? Ahh.. that explains it.
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jay2  +   2003d ago
I hate these devs who don't care about the PS3.

Does the PC build support controllers, unlike Bio 2?
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Tachyon_Nova  +   2003d ago
I don't understand why anyone would rather use a controller than keyboard and mouse. Sure you can sit further away, but nothing can match the precision and speed of a decent mouse and keyboard.
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PirosThe4th  +   2003d ago
yeah because wsda is so precise...
Omega4  +   2003d ago
I thought this wasn't an issue anymore :S

Geez no need to cry about it.
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Karooo  +   2003d ago
Yeah man
damn them ps3 fanboys, u must be so happy right now, wanna guess the sales of mafia 2?
Thecraft1989  +   2003d ago
Its not issue its lazy development When the ps3 has best graphical games on console and most 360 games are sub hd its oviousley nothing to with the ps3 hardware just lazy development
lowcarb  +   2003d ago
There are more sub HD PS3 games than 360 and those games you speak highly of are proof PS3 can do better. God of War and UC2 visuals are really good but I want to see an open world game hold up that type of visual fidelity on PS3.
badz149  +   2003d ago
if Sucker Punch's word are to be believed, then we should just wait for inFAMOUS2 to do just THAT!
Focker-420  +   2003d ago
Ummm... It will be called InFamous 2, look it up sometime.

edit: lol badz149 got to it first
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Tachyon_Nova  +   2003d ago
Seriously infamous 2 does not have great graphics. From what we've seen, lighting looks a bit off, and the textures, even the cobbled roads which are an essential part of New Orleans, are as flat as PS2 era games. Not impressed, and this Is coming from an infamous fanboy.
PirateThom  +   2003d ago
2K Damage Control

"It's not inferior... it just has no grass, less blood, inferior cloth movement... and it wasn't ported, but it's not inferior!!!!11"
Pandamobile  +   2003d ago
Both console versions are ports.
siyrobbo  +   2003d ago
Both console versions are bad ports

OpenGL  +   2003d ago
No amount of programming wizardry would be able to shoehorn the PC version unaltered onto the PS3 or 360. Could the console versions be better? Probably, but a lot of the difference comes from the fact that both systems only have 512MB of RAM, and both GPUs are 5 years old now.
PirateThom  +   2003d ago
According to the 2K person each version was built from scratch.
Pandamobile  +   2003d ago
I remember hearing from a 2K guy something like this "Okay we have this awesome PC game, now, now do we get that on consoles?"
Zinc  +   2003d ago
That's not how any developer I've heard of makes their games. Imagine the cost.
Karooo  +   2003d ago
this happens oh well. It was ported by a small canadian team
monkey nuts  +   2003d ago
Sad this happens, oh well. It WAS ported by a small Canadian Sunday league soccer team.

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GeoramA  +   2003d ago
Lazy ass developers.

They just lost a sale.
S_C  +   2003d ago
I seriously couldnt give a shit about there not being much grass in the game, Since wen has grass ever influenced if you buy a game or not i mean cumon that pathetic, the game looks good as it is and all im interested about is the story, gameplay and of course the Exclusive DLC
table  +   2003d ago
no grass = no buy. Games are all about the grass these days.
DarkSpawnClone  +   2003d ago
have fun playing in mud lmao..who the fuck makes a game that has no grass in it LOL its not like this game is in the desert.
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S_C  +   2003d ago
dont worry i will enjoy with my exclusive DLC
table  +   2003d ago
btw there is grass, just less lush grass. God help the n4g community when something like this matters so much to both sets of fanboys. Yes, you are all at it with your superior ps3 exclusives and superior 360 multiplats. Inferior cloth movement? seriously? is that what gaming has come to? You people make me sick.
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DarkSpawnClone  +   2003d ago
why would you buy some thing that is broken ?
why shouldn't it matter we pay money for this stuff you know.I'm not forking over my money for a game that wasn't properly ported,yes grass,animations & game play matters to me i haven't bought bayonetta,the orange box ect for the same reason i would rather have them hold back the ps3 release date to fix it up.I'm not going to support bad work.i was looking forward to this game i am really disappointed with the quality for the ps3 version.why should they get a free pass ?
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Dance  +   2003d ago
might explain the exclusive dlc
table  +   2003d ago
no grass? game over man, it's game over.
Bellcross  +   2003d ago
Meh, wasn't getting it for consoles anyways.
Sez  +   2003d ago
i'm with you on that one.PC version ftw
jy_mrnd  +   2003d ago
Getting PC version as well!
Consoldtobots  +   2003d ago
meh wasn't getting this game PERIOD, why all the fuss over a subpar franchise?
BYE  +   2003d ago
Yep, Mafia 1 was also drastically inferior on consoles.

It's just one of those series that needs to be experienced on PC, no doubt.
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bioshock1221  +   2003d ago
It's still the same game people you guys make a big deal out of nothing. Is it really shocking anymore especially coming from Rockstar they don't seem to understand the PS3 yet. The game is still the same just a few minor differences I can't believe people are saying in here that they won't buy the game anymore. Grow Up guys.
NYC_Gamer  +   2003d ago
so people should be happy?why pay 60 bucks for a game that doesnt even run equal on your console

not everyone is ok with paying full price for half the quality...
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bioshock1221  +   2003d ago
Because it's still the same core gameplay. Is slightly better graphics really going to make the game that much better? I had no problem playing FF13 on the Xbox 360 regardless of it having slightly worse graphics than the PS3 version as long as the gameplay is still the same I see no problem.
ThatCanadianGuy  +   2003d ago
And to think i got suckered into buying a $90 collectors edition.
I'll be canceling that and putting that money towards R.U.S.E with Move support :)
Shadow Haze501  +   2003d ago
Agreed man. Ruse looks really cool.
BubbleSystemSuck  +   2003d ago
PreOrder canceled for PS3...

i will play this on my 360
BubbleSystemSuck  +   2003d ago
now i know why the 1st DLC is "Free" for the PS3...

"hey, look, Mafia 2 is a piece of graphic crap in your console... take this "for FREE".. only cost you, a crappy port!"
Bolts  +   2003d ago
What did you expect?
This game was cranked out by a PC developer with little to zero console experience so of course it's going to look better on the 360 than the PS3.

I'll just buy this on the PC then, no biggie. It's nice to have options.
Dsnyder  +   2003d ago
What a let down.
I remember wanting this game when the first trailer showed up online. The graphics looked so good and the story showed promise but its amazing how things changed. 2K really needs to get thier act together. This "PS3 is hard to develop for/" excuse became invalid 2 years ago.
GigaGaia  +   2003d ago
It was already proven that there was grass. This 2K employee fails and judging by her name, it's a woman, no wonder.

That pic prove her wrong:
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monkey nuts  +   2003d ago
That pics from an early ps3 build which ran at like 5fps. So they removed grass, blood etc and got the fps up around the 30 mark.
Cel-Ru  +   2003d ago
Yes men... when i created this thread i never though i will get the answer i hope... and now i see it... well i don't know what to say. Is very sad VERY SAD!
jack who  +   2003d ago
when you say grass what do you mean hmm?
Shadow Haze501  +   2003d ago
The food that cows eat?
jack who  +   2003d ago
oh god good its no mafia game without good grass been blown all over your face
Stryfeno2  +   2003d ago
What is so special about this game?
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Zinc  +   2003d ago
Engaging and engrossing storyline, as-well-as an open world. The first game was quite good.

Not everything has to be multi-player or deathmatch approved.
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Gigalol  +   2003d ago
Well, the people choose the better version this time.

This time? Oh wait.

Every time, as usual.
Bolts  +   2003d ago
You're talking about the PC version right? Because that would be the better one lol.
Zinc  +   2003d ago
Not just lol, Fanboi... Gigalol.
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N4PS3Fanboys  +   2003d ago
And the 360 version would be the second best version. And the PS3 version would be...
DarkSpawnClone  +   2003d ago
well i guess i will see this game used in 3 years lol
its such a shame too i was thinking of picking it up i love mafia kind of games! such a shame! ;/ games are expensive,I'm not going to buy a crappy quality game didn't really care for the demo, its worth a rent at least.
THC CELL  +   2003d ago

Why would she say that, this will make em loose a % on ps3 now
thanks to some woman on 2k forum,Sack her
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pr0digyZA  +   2003d ago
Yeah I suppose she should just lie and take your hard earned money after you realized it's a not as good looking as you hoped. Is that how they do business where you are?
Otheros00  +   2002d ago
Yes that is how they do business in USA.
Example: Gears of War 2
metsgaming  +   2003d ago
Not getting this game, i refuse to support this bs i can careless that the ps3 gets exclusive content, in a few months they will announce it for the pc and 360 anyways. Plus the gameplay was horrible
iamnsuperman  +   2003d ago
played the demo nothing there that made me go I want it now.....and now this.... I hate it when developers short change the PS3... It is looking like that certain developers are clearly not worth it....if other game developers can produce identical games across the PS3 and 360 why can't others....I total agree with you what is the point on supporting this bs. It just shows to other developers that they can get a way with it. I feel that the industry lately is trying to get as much money as possible for crap (i.e. activation wanting to charge for online play, sub par ports) its stupid
edit: look at the forums
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rekof  +   2003d ago
at least it doesen't run at 13 fps,.
Lucreto  +   2003d ago
Doesn't bother me at all. I heard how inferior RDR was and when I played it I couldn't see the difference. I won't be playing it thinking there is grass missing or the person's clothes movement is not as noticeable or there is more blood on the PC or 360 version.
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