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Submitted by codelyoko 123d ago | news

Xbox One Architecture Finally Explained – Runs OS ‘Virtually Indistinguishable’ from Windows 8

WCCF: The slides from Frank Savage's presentation reveal that the Xbox One Games and Apps both run on Windows 8. In the case of apps, its a full fledged Windows 8. In the case of Games its a 'lean and mean' Windows 8. (Tag Invalid, Xbox One)

codelyoko  +   123d ago
Heres to hoping some genius hacks the os and makes porting of Forza 5 and Halo possible.
dmitrijs88  +   123d ago
X1 PC emulator inc.
alexkoepp  +   123d ago
Windows 8 is great, cant wait for the x1 to get app support, just a faster windows 7. should help game development for shared pc/x1 titles. i hardly would call this "x1 architecture explained" though...
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dantesparda  +   123d ago
I wish Sony would reveal the full architecture of the PS4 already.
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tokugawa  +   123d ago
hmmm didn't corrine yu tweet "yay no more windows 8" when she quit 343 for naughty dog??

i wondered at the time what she ment. i suppose this is the confirmation then
Geoff900  +   123d ago
I think having Windows 8, on Xbox 1 will mean cross platform games, MS is already giving hints at that.

I would love it if you could buy X1 games, and play them on PC* and vice versa THAT would be a game changer.

*PC version running at max settings.
dantesparda  +   123d ago
Why am i getting all the disagrees? I'd really like to know. WTF! It offends people that i'd like to know?
HugoDrax  +   123d ago
@Geoff900

"I would love it if you could buy X1 games, and play them on PC* and vice versa THAT would be a game changer."

That would be amazing! It's basically having your XB1 on the go. I guess that would be similar to PS4 having remote play? Well only time will tell, I say end the fanboy wars and buy all 3 consoles if you're a gamer.

Good times ahead everyone.
avengers1978  +   123d ago
@dantesparda you should never ever worry about the disagrees. Differing opinions are what make Internet forums interesting.
vulcanproject  +   123d ago
Everyone loves Windows 8. Right? Right?
DemonChicken  +   122d ago
Windows 8 is a disaster
kneon  +   123d ago
With both the XB1 and PS4 being so close to PC architecture I'm sure eventually both will end up with emulators for PC. I expect we'll get the XB1 emulator and then a year or two later the PS4 emulator.
TheRedButterfly  +   123d ago
Here's a noble idea! Buy the console that the games are on.
Gamer1982  +   123d ago
The downfall to this is that means the OS is very resource heavy at least right now.. It could be why games are struggling in resolutions compared to PS4 as that OS was never designed for consoles.
Blaze929  +   123d ago
Don't be silly.
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MCTJim  +   123d ago
Well, they hinted that it did indeed run the actual windows 8 OS, but never really explained it in detail. Now here is the proof that it indeed does. Lets see how this pans out with DX12 and hardware tiled resources. E3 should bring new light to this with the games that utilize it.
codelyoko  +   123d ago
For secret sauce, ESRAM is the horse to bet on. DX12 is a low level api, since the Host OS is an RTOS it already has to the metal access to hardware so theoretically a low level api is redundant. ESRAM on the other hand is a completely wild card and may as well be a game changer.
Walker  +   123d ago
ESRam is just like EDRam .
codelyoko  +   123d ago
Aww comeon , whats with the disagrees ppl :/ i am not even a console player. PC Master Race and all....
MCTJim  +   123d ago
I'm not into the whole secret sauce. but rather, I have always felt they rushed this console to market to compete with Sony. Now come E3, I think they will have a completed OS and will finally be showcasing what the machine can do.

If Phil was in charge like he is now, I have a feeling this E3 would be the reveal of the system.
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GrayFOX333  +   123d ago
game changer?lol
cfc78  +   123d ago
A big rule of N4G never ask about the disagree's it only seem's to bring more.
2cents  +   123d ago
@mctJim

That's how I've felt too.

probably why the actual worldwide launch of the xbox one is in sept. USA and a few choice countries got the xbox with the ps4 launch because they couldn't afford to loose such a large market share.

I am looking forward to seeing how the console will perform with its full toolset enabled.
ALLWRONG  +   123d ago
You god disagrees because you mentioned DX12, and DX12 scares PS people.
xxLuckyStrike  +   123d ago
Windows 8 you say???!! On X1?? and yet my Windows 8 phone can't do shit with it unless, it's thru The Xbox one Smartglass/companion which is useless. Can't watch my Xbox movies MP3's NOTHING
Cherchez La Ghost  +   123d ago
??????!!!! Smartglass on my Galaxy S3 for Dead Rising works just fine.
BallsEye  +   123d ago
BS
Using Nokia Lumia 1520 with windows 8.1 for devs and it works perfectly fine. Worked same on win 8 version. NPC's call my phone in DR3, send me messages, I can use all the adds and so on. Integration of win phone and XO is really amazing. I smell an undercover fanboy troll.
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InTheZoneAC  +   123d ago
lol at anything a part of windows 8
LAWSON72  +   123d ago
Windows 8 especially after the recent 8.1 update 1, has been pretty good. It was originally a little better but now it is much better than Windows 7. I will never understand the hate for W8.
neoandrew  +   123d ago
Actually it has nothing that is better and relevant to anyone than windows 7.
Gamer666  +   122d ago
@neoandrew

That is a fact less comment. First Win8 is full backwards compatible to Win7 when you are using a x86 based processor. It is only the UI that really changed.

Second, there have been several iterations of Win8 to improve it. It was touch friendly but not desktop friendly in the first iteration. 8.1 made it desktop friendlier. And the new Update to 8.1 takes it another step towards being a solid interface for both touch and desktop users.
LAWSON72  +   123d ago
Yes it does here is what is better.

File manager
Task manager
Direct X11.2 and 12
Built in mounting feature
Boot time
uses less resources so faster and more efficient
Improved multi display settings
Reset and refresh

This is idea that it offers nothing new and convient is just wrong. It started out rough but as of now it is much better than Windows 7
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Dark_Vendetta  +   122d ago
The only thing I hate is the design. But you have to love UEFI support, it's just so fast :)
stiggs  +   122d ago
@ InTheZoneAC

"lol at anything a part of windows 8"

Do you care to elaborate from a technical, aesthetic, or implementation standpoint?

This ought to be good...
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InTheZoneAC  +   122d ago
only on the internet would I fine anyone ever defending windows 8...wow

the UI is horrible. I don't care what it has to offer when you have to deal with the bs in your face.

And if I was really worried just about "speed and functionality" then mac would be my choice....

windows 8 are like all the ugly new cars with all the computer assists that may make it better than a regular car, but there's just too much ugly and bs to get by first to appreciate it.

I'll stick with my windows 7. Simple=better, but whoever gave windows 8 a face doesn't know anything about simpler being better.
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stiggs  +   122d ago
@ InTheZoneAc

Thanks for the reply. I don't think that repeating the adage of "Windows 8 is ugly" is an elaboration of your original comment...but whatever, man.
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ninjahunter  +   123d ago
Now theres your problem right there. Should have designed it after windows 7.

All jokes aside, despite windows 8's user interface... struggles, Its a very dynamic and streamlined OS.
amazinglover  +   123d ago
Just have your computer boot to the desktop instead and it's a great OS having it boot to the charm menu was stupid and useless if you didn't have a touch screen to interact with.
Gamer1982  +   123d ago
Should have made a better OS all around that was specifically for the hardware. Would have been lighter and better for the console. But the Xbox One as we all know was rushed thanks to Sony so they probably had no choice. Maybe we will see a new OS in the future like we did with 360 that will seriously help the Xbox One.
bornsinner  +   123d ago
i think they really thought about the specs and hardware choices with the console, balance was the key, though the devs are not utilizing it properly doesn't mean it's a bad design. just lazy devs i say, hitting 1080p has always been the issue, it's turning into the whole ps3 issue, with dx12 porting with optimizations will be easier for the lazy devs.
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Geoff900  +   123d ago
Wouldn't say developers are lazy, however they are on very tight deadlines to meet the demands on their publisher/developer.

All the launch games, even the games coming this year are games which have been pushed by publishers to get them out the door by a certain time frame, games like The Witcher 3, Destiny and several X1/PS4 exclusives will show what these machines can actually do.
iagainsti120  +   123d ago
Actually I believe the the real reason the Xbox One is struggling with 1080p is with the number of ROP's and TMU's. AMD have said on record the the sweet spot for 1080p is 32 ROP's and 80 TMU's. Xbox one is not even close. Xbox One has 16 ROP's and 48 TMU's. http://www.redgamingtech.co...
Unfortunately Xbox One only has about half of What AMD recommends for 1080p gaming. On the flip side PS4 has almost the recommended amount at 32 ROP's and 72 TMU's. Because of this 1080p Games will be few on Xbox One you will see more games with odd resolutions between 720p and 1080p.
Prime157  +   123d ago
Careful, many people don't get the difference between what the cpu and the gpu do in computers...

Le sigh.
iagainsti120  +   123d ago
Oh I know, I have been on this site since 2009 I have stopped commenting for a long time. The hardware nerd in me had to reply to correct this misinformation from both sides.
Pinkdolphinyfg  +   123d ago
Would like full windows app store access. Imagine having snes and psx emulators on your xbox one! Would be a massive advantage over ps4 imo if you could.
NegativeCreep427  +   123d ago
The SNES emulators would be a nice, crazy little feature, but the Playstation emulator? Just play on your actual playstation.
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LAWSON72  +   123d ago
Same could be said for the SNES.
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incendy35  +   123d ago
Isn't this what has been said all along though haha.
lemoncake  +   123d ago
Windows apps on Xbox sounds very good.
KillerByte23  +   123d ago
i am wondering if Microsoft will be able to update it to Windows 8.1
Gamer666  +   122d ago
It is unnecessary. 8.1 was mostly a UI update to the OS not a large core OS update. Same with Windows 8.1 Update that is about to release.

The important update will be bringing DX12 to X1.
xeroxbane  +   123d ago
Nooo if it runs windows perfect it will share my same hate for my computer os
Holeran  +   123d ago
Kind of a dumb question I guess but how much ram does it take to run all of these operating systems?
jetlian  +   123d ago
Its using 3gb right now. Future will be less

Why someone disagree with you?
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AnEwGuY  +   123d ago
This is N4G. You could post a comment that literally said nothing more than "Some idiot will click disagree"...and you'd get a disagree. People here really are that stupid. ◔_◔

And yes, some idiot will click disagree...
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garos82  +   123d ago
Or it could possibly be due to touch screen devices. One wrong tap and a post is "agreed" or "disagreed".. it happens way to often for me to bother apologising for unintended disagrees
dark_matter  +   123d ago
In my opinion, I think obama would look better with a giant afro and a big bushy beard "waits for disagrees"
andromeduck  +   123d ago
not a significant ammount - basically the size of another kernel + some non shared resources so I'd guess around 200 MB - 2 GB

the bigger problem is how much cache this thing will hog because cache is very valuable and degraded cache performance can mean order of magnitude slowdowns in high access code.
DealWithIt  +   123d ago
That just can't be good news. Given the ease with which windows gets targeted by viruses, malwares and trojans etc., its only a matter of time before we see a serious attack on bone OS.

Plus, there is a threat of hackers gaining access to bone along with cameras and always online microphones.
NegativeCreep427  +   123d ago
Blasphemer! Get out of here Sony fanboy. Get behind me Satan! /s

LOL @ below: hey KNWS dont start stealing my material alright?
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LAWSON72  +   123d ago
You mean a serious attack, like the one that already happened on a PS console, lol.
DealWithIt  +   122d ago
I'm sorry. Did I butthurt you with my truthful comment?

Lets see what else you couldn't see past blatant fanboyism.
How about the fact that hacking attack NEVER happened on PS "Console". But of course, you are too high on kool aid to differentiate between console and server. Whereas, hacking (along with malware, trojans and viruses) is a routine thing on windows OS (again, not on bone, but the OS behind bone)

Too bad you can't see past fanbotinsm ( that too in 720p), else you wouldn't defend a low grade hardware sold at a higher price.
KNWS  +   123d ago | Well said
Never mind Sony fanboys i have been more right than wrong on this site,forget the disagrees

I said direct12x was the secret sauce before threads appeared on N4g months ago

I said Sony would have not lot of new first party games, and looks like i was right again and said before the layoffs at the Sony studios

Actually wrong my bubble count is Sony fans not liking what i have to say

My previous posts from months ago prove how right i was.

I said the Ps4 was using 14CU's for games ps4 dev confirms i was right few days ago

I could go on, but x box fans just ignore sony fans disagrees. The true next gen console is xb1

Using my phone sorry for the post been messy.
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NegativeCreep427  +   123d ago
Well with only two bubbles, its reasonable to assume you have really been wrong more than right.
MorePowerOfGreen  +   123d ago
Nah most likely just likes Xbox, that's all it takes to be "discriminated against" on N4G and even increasingly in XBOX sites and threads due to the invasion/infiltration of PS fans in places they shouldn't really be concerned with.
imt558  +   123d ago
Nope, KNWS, you're WRONG.

Devs can use ALL PS4's GPU 18 CU's for rendering if they want.

STOP SPREADING BULLSHIT!

Bubble disagree incoming.
DoesUs  +   123d ago
Incorrect on everything you typed...But I'll just watch the next 7 years to see you flip flop around 8)
TheGreatGamer  +   123d ago
I'm glad xbox one will be getting updates to improve it's performance and efficiency but let's not forget that PS4 will also see similar updates to improve performance and efficiency and as the PS4 architecture is easier to develop for than Xbone's it does get better optimization and this will only increase in the future as devs become more accustomed to the system. Don't get me wrong, xbone will benefit from directx12 but it will never be on par with the ps4. Building on what i have said, the xbone's eSRAM is a bit too small for easy 1080p which isn't too say it's impossible, it's just very difficult for developers and even though dx12 might provide a 6-10% performance improvement that’s not the same as making the eSRAM cache larger or improving the memory bandwidth which is why all xbox fanboys claiming this is the "secret sauce" and come E3 n4g will turn pro-microsoft/x1 instead is simply put, mistaken because xbone will never reach parity with PS4 but in the future (2015 and beyond) it will get slightly closer
scotmacb  +   123d ago
Sony's answer to dx12 will never be as good because dx12 is used by nealy every game maker thats what the big deal is microsoft have the market in that area
TheGreatGamer  +   123d ago
One of the main benefits of dx12 is it's ability to massively improve the multithreading efficiency of the CPU but as we already know PS4 and Sony are already working on improving multithreading (the ability to use all the cores of the CPU efficiently) and SIMD (parallel computation of the same operation on multiple data points) which is very similar to the effect that will be achieved by dx12. So, i am not denying that dx12 is a great new API that will benefit many devices (pc, xbone etc.) I'm merely saying the PS4 is also working on VERY SIMILAR upgrades so though xbone should hopefully be able to handle games at higher resolutions in the future, the overall quality and visual fidelity of the PS4 will ALWAYS remain higher than the xbone this generation because of it's simplified pc architecture/hardware. P.S. xbox fanboys i am not trolling or anything so no need for all the disagree's i'm just making sure you don't get your hopes up too high
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HugoDrax  +   123d ago
@TheGreatGamer

"but as we already know PS4 and Sony are already working on improving multithreading"

Well I posted this over on another post, and someone corrected my statement. SONY is currently hiring to begin working on improving multithreading. Doesn't necessarily mean they're working on it. The other thing you have to consider is MS statement a year ago

"WE HAVE SOME OF THE BEST SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS IN THE WORLD, DO YOU REALLY THINK WE'RE GOING TO GIVE UP 50% TO SONY"

Anyhow, the link is below.

http://www.dualshockers.com...
TheGreatGamer  +   123d ago
@HugoDrax

Thanks for the correction I was not aware they were only hiring at the moment but as we know dx12 is coming out late 2015 and then will take a while for devs to use in new games so we can be assured Sony would make significant progress in that time but once again, let me reiterate that i fully support dx12 and think it means great things for the xbone im simply stating the technical fact that the introduction of dx12 does not mean xbone will surpass the performance of PS4 or even be on par with it
christocolus  +   123d ago
I hope this means great things for the future of the console.
Skate-AK  +   123d ago
Didn't everyone pretty much guess that?
g4n  +   123d ago
Da XBONE....
dark_matter  +   123d ago
If I'm an xbox fanboy, how many disagrees will I get? but if I'm a ps fanboy, how many agrees will I get?
Clown_Syndr0me  +   122d ago
I think we already knew this?
I hate Windows 8 on PC, but it might just work on a console.
The reason I hate it on PC is it didnt feel proffesional, more like a fun OS than a serious one where I could get work done etc.
killaarmy  +   122d ago
@mctjim your a hater ryse looks better than every game on ps4 what does the ps4 do that xbone can't do??? stop hating x1 does 10 times more than what the ps4 does with better exclusives, sony playstation 3.5 is exactly what it should have been called it's nothing new but a share button smdh the games are horrible you can sugar coat shit but it's still shit

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