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New PS4 Details: Automatic Caching Games Not Install, Voice Commands Without PS Eye And More

Shuhei Yoshida via his personal Twitter account has revealed never heard before details about Playstation 4. (PS4, Shuhei Yoshida)

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TomShoe  +   838d ago
Who needs a Kinect? Shave $100 of the top and get 2 more games (ง ͠° ͟ʖ ͡°)ง)
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ZodTheRipper  +   838d ago
They have most of the stuff Kinect offers and don't even use it to market the PS4 with it. Revealing this through twitter just shows where Sony's priorities lie.
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yarbie1000  +   838d ago
Voice Commands without the Eye was also available on X360 & PS3 - it was called Endwar.
2cents  +   838d ago
lol @ Zod.

Most of the stuff kinect offers? Erm... you are very uninformed, the PS camera isn't even as functional as the first kinect. Why do you feel the need to take a dig at the Xbox to justify your fondness of Sony? Can't you just like Sony without having to express negativity towards Xbox? Are you that insecure?
johndoe11211  +   838d ago

Please list the features that the first kinect has that the ps4 camera doesn't.
GTgamer  +   838d ago
Lmaooooooo your full of it @2cents but I'm waiting for the list too.
GrandpaSnake  +   838d ago
lol @2cents you probably finally looked up the features and realized the only edge the x1 camera has is infrared(so it sees you all night) and maybe snap features.
2cents  +   838d ago
@johndoe, gtgamer & grandpasnake

Not my job, what is though is to point out inaccuracies in people's assumptions.
I'm only trying to help you people save face, as there is so much incorrect information out there.

I'm not the one claiming superiority, you guys are. Ignorance is one thing, but when you openly claim things that are totally false, then I comment.

If you want to try to claim that the PS Camera is as good as the kinect then you prove it to me, not the other way around, sorry. I don't need to prove otherwise as anyone who actually understands the tech involved, knows the truth.
johndoe11211  +   838d ago

1. Last time I checked you were not wearing my wedding ring hence I don't need to prove anything to you.

2. I never asked you to prove anything, I simply asked you to provide a list of the features that YOU said the original kinect had that the ps4 eye doesn't.

3. Unless you belong to some government appointed institution that was mandated to police the Internet and correct anyone that you may THINK has incorrect information in YOUR mind I fail to see how that is your job.

4. The kinect 2.0 has more functionality than the ps4 eye. I don't care. I'll never use the kinect and i'll hardly use the ps4 camera. But do me a favor, seeing that it's your job to clear up misinformation, could you clear the air on the whole xbox 720p thing for us?
Sono421  +   838d ago
The PS4 camera literally does have all the features the kinect has except it doesn't have the super specific player motion tracking, which in my OPINION I deem useless anyways.. it's not like i'm going to want to go through the XMB with my hand instead of a controller? and i'm most certainly not going to use it for games.. lol.

Then the only other feature the PS4 camera doesn't have is scanning things.. which is decently cool but doesn't justify the $100 difference.. so yeah.. my point is Kinect is seriously over hyped.. the only thing special about it is the specific motion capture, all other features on it can be found elsewhere for a way better price and no pointless paywalls.
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MasterCornholio  +   838d ago
You don't need a camera for voice commands all you need is a microphone.

And no Microsoft is wrong when they say that its necessary. Kinectbis for gesture control more than anything.

Nexus 7 2013
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mhunterjr  +   838d ago
All you need is a Mic? What about voice recognition software, noise cancellation software, voice libraries, multi language , dialect, and accent support, a dedicated audio processor also helps. Kinect 2 isn't just a camera. There's a suite of developer tools that come with its use.

Otherwise, developers will have to take the time and resources to compensate for all of those things themselves...
Sono421  +   838d ago

not sure if trolling... or just stupid..

He's obviously talking about peripherals that you have to pay for.. last I checked you didn't have to pay Sony nor Microsoft extra for the voice recognition software..

The point he is making is with Sony you get the features of Kinect (Excluding specific motion capture and scanning certain things) without spending an extra $100.. in other words.. the $100 price difference still isn't justified.
wsoutlaw87  +   838d ago
lol mhunterjr no s*** but you dont need a kinect to run software. Do you think the voice recognition is completely handled by the kinect?
Kryptix  +   837d ago
Anyone remember SOCOM had voice commands? And this goes way back to the PS2 days when we first started using mics with our consoles. (Of course, there's that Pokemon game also on the N64 that used voice commands)

Those commands weren't 100% accurate all the time but mics also weren't as advanced and clear as today.

Those are things that can be done without a camera, scratching $100-150 off and still be able to use a service or feature that software developers offer.

So yes, all you need is a mic to do half of what the Kinect can do and you save yourself money for a few extra games or a year subscription in the process.

What Microsoft is doing is trying to falsely justify the Kinect to the consumer by saying "only with Kinect" when voice commands can be done on a headset/mic. (Skyrim voice commands, obviously could of been programmed for any mic in existance) Of course, mics cannot do motion controls, but when one word performs an action and you have a controller, too...a gamer doesn't need to wave their arms around or anything because the controller is more precise.

Think about this, what if the Kinect didn't receive sound and it was your headset that came with the console doing the work for it? Wouldn't it be cheaper and making a replacement much more affordable? Microsoft should of thought ahead which makes me believe they did it their way to gain max profits.

"Let's sell a mic then sell a mic." -Someone in Microsoft HQ
majiebeast  +   838d ago
Yeah not going digital this gen with 50gig games, thank you Sony for not doing mandatory install of games.

Sad about no more custom themes by users but as long as it has dynamic and official themes i can life without it.
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aceitman  +   838d ago
U know sony , im sure down the line it will happen
MasterCornholio  +   838d ago
But at least its not happening on day one. And if it ever comes to that I will replace my 500GB HDD with a 1TB drive because Sony gives me the right to do so.

Anyways I'm pretty sure that they mentioned optional installs a long time ago. The only reason why people are asking this is because the competitors console installs everything to the hard drive.

Nexus 7 2013
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Underworld  +   838d ago
I'm really disappointed there's no more custom user themes :( That's one of the things I love about PS3. Why would they not allow it? So confused. Please, please allow them, Sony.
GribbleGrunger  +   838d ago
This is HUGE news for a lot of people. My ass tightened when I first saw the install sizes but now it's perched daintily upon my sofa ... and relax ...
isa_scout  +   838d ago
lol yeah, I was extremely worried about my HDD when they started talking 50GB installs. On a side note: What does 50GB cache mean??? If it's not a install does that just mean you need to have 50GB open in your HDD???Kinda confused...
stuna1  +   838d ago
The 50 gb cache is for installing components of games to work, without the need to install the full game. As far as necessarily needing a full 50 gb not absolutely sure.


Your crazy, lol.
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GribbleGrunger  +   838d ago
It means it's just space taken up temporarily. If you then put another game in, the whole process of caching begins again using the same space as the previous game. You CAN fully install too if you want.
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Skate-AK  +   838d ago
On PS3 you had to have twice the space open for the game you are installing. Say you had a 20GB game, you had to have 40GB free to install it. It will not be like that anymore.
GribbleGrunger  +   838d ago
I may be wrong about the full installs by the way! Sorry about that.
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BitbyDeath  +   838d ago
Sounds like the function the uncharted and god of war games used to reduce load times.
novcze  +   838d ago
I wouldn't be so optimistic, just like on PS3, game doesn't install itself but install game data and I think is confirmed that new CoD takes 49GB of HDD space.

That tweet about cache is probably just wrong choose of words.
jay2  +   838d ago
Good news. So if the PS4's more powerful than xbone, and can do most of what Kinect 2 can do so much, MS are raking it in for exclusives and timed DLC LOOOOOOOL!
2cents  +   838d ago
Keep telling yourself that, ignorance is bliss.
Nekroo91  +   838d ago
2cents youre so annoying.. you dont know anything about specs or even kinect. Kinect 2.0 still as a huge amount of latency which means it takes time to process your movement to be recognized in the game.

its more powerfull fact!
ps eye is more precise fact!

And before you come here because you read somewhere about the bandwith.. the 8gb if ddr3 have 68gb/s the 32mb of esram= min 109/gb/s mas 200. and no 32mb cant do the same as 8gb of gddr5 if that was the case MS woundlt use ddr3. the high bandwith of the xbox it can only be used for small tasks becase its only 32mb!!

And now go away ignorant fool
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bryam1982  +   838d ago
Lol you enjoy.your exclusives 3 year.xbone will be abandoned ps3 is.having.a.blast.whit.exclusi ves since.2007.till today will have.more exclusives
NewAgeisHere  +   838d ago
Good news just keep on comin.......I guess we're gonna be welcoming a lot of American gamers to Playstation nation in a few weeks. Looking at the general mood I'd say MS is facing an uphill battle in Nort America, let alone in the rest of the world.
My_precious  +   838d ago
do you know what amaze me the most?

that sometime yoshida's tweet is more effective than the whole freaking PR team's work
DigitalRaptor  +   838d ago
So true. Whenever I see a comment from Hyrb or Penello or Spencer it's always got to be either damage control, a convoluted response or blatant lies. That kind of disingenuousness makes sense coming from them.

Yoshida just does his thing, and doesn't tell you that "you don't need to know". So much PS4 news has broken through Yoshida's tweets. It's great.
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mushroomwig  +   838d ago
That's really impressive, you just have to make sure you have the space needed for the cach and then once you're done with the game it'll automatically delete.
Deathdeliverer  +   838d ago
Thank God. I was ULTRA disappointed by this at first. Having to install 50gb games and eating up the hard drive space for just a few games... But now. Set aside 50gb to cache the game data and go nuts with the rest. Don't need to rush that TB HDD anymore.
obliterator  +   838d ago
Voice commands without camera


Bad news for x1.

R.I.C x1 ( clouds)
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r21  +   838d ago
Aww man, the only negative bout all this is no customizable themes :C I liked having customized background. The ICO background on my ps3 is simply eye candy.
majiebeast  +   838d ago
Yeah maybe in a later update. I never used them much i prefered dynamic themes still rocking the TLOU one.
2cents  +   838d ago
This is very good news, last thing I want to do is spend even more cash to have to buy an internal HHD, to much faffing. This should solve the storage issue for a while.
Bluebird8  +   838d ago
Says "play killzone shadow fall" in non american/english dialect. Ps4 responds by shutting down. Voice commands suck.
BobbytheBuilder  +   838d ago
I just hope that dynamic themes will come to ps4, but aside from that great news
Gore-Content  +   838d ago
I hope you can at least change the colors of the os.
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feraldrgn  +   838d ago
I'm pretty sure what he meant by "caching" (as was said before) was that the game installs in the background as you play the game.

Misunderstanding probably.
eezo  +   838d ago
does anyone knows size of ps4 cache memory?
Shake_Zula  +   838d ago
Well, it's a hypervisor-based environment. Everything likely caches on the on the main HDD.
Omar91  +   838d ago
Awesome! but no background themes?? with! thats a bummer
Sci0n  +   838d ago
To all the ppl boasting about needing 2TB drives and acting all paranoid about the PS4 not having enough space to game I told you not to worry and that you was overreacting. I can't tell people how to spend there money though.
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Shake_Zula  +   838d ago
Stemming from the article, saying that KZ was originally 290GB, I think data compression will play a big role here. For instance, the game might require 40GB to run, but when the data isn't being used, the system prolly compresses as data gets older.
TristanPR77  +   838d ago
This is awesome. What is shocking to me is why Sony doesn't announce this things more official or why they don't use these feature for marketing purposes. This features are really nice and should be shared more officially, I mean, when was Sony pretending to a announce this?
AD705  +   838d ago
So I can have voice commands with no camera by using the controller? So what reason is there to have kinect again?
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Underworld  +   838d ago
Does caching mean the blu-ray drive doesn't have to work as hard and the games will load faster, just like with installing? Sorry for the stupid question.
purp13m0nk3y  +   838d ago

Essentially the PS4 allocates a portion of the hard drive to cache game data for the game you are currently playing. It uses this data like it would any other install (permanent of not).

The difference is, once you are done with the game or want to play a different game, this data is flushed and the same partition on the hard drive is used for the data cache of the next game. Thus negating the need to do a 40-50Gb permanent install for each game.

I could imagine that you would still need to do a small minimum install for each game (though I assume that this would be comparatively quite small) and the system simply caches the large non essential game files.

This is just speculation on my behalf based on the information in the article. The actual process could be much more complex and efficient. But well need to wait a couple of weeks to find out.

Either way, seems like an excellent idea to me. I was planning on getting a couple of digital game copies at launch, so there goes a good percentage of that 500Gb. Its also a good intensive to buy an actual physical copy, as I don't see how this would work for digital only copies.
Shake_Zula  +   838d ago
Data deduplication
Underworld  +   837d ago
Sounds good. Thanks :)

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