Tech Raptor- Microsoft released this week that some of the main features that have been talked about on Xbox One will require an Xbox Live membership. Some of them are surprising, while many aren’t mainly because they are features that you would use online playing.
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Yet it matters so much to fanboys like you doesn't it? The funny part is fanboys made fun of MS this gen for charging multiplayer and now that Sony is charging for multiplayer THAT doesn't matter anymore, does it? Lol.
Its just the beef of the day..
Sony is not stealing or forcing you to pay extra, it is because of rising cost and betterment of the services, most of the features and services are still out of paywall like netflix, free2play games, browsing, recording etc.
I don't want to talk about Microsoft, everybody knows who they are what they are doing and if still you don't know, it's your ignorance and ignorance is bliss.
microsoft puts it behind a paywall because they want to control every little thing you do on xbox live
part of it too is perception and marketing. lets face it the average buyer isnt very informed. so when they advertise xbox live they can just add netflix hulu and amazon video to the list of features you get with it and the dumb people out there will see that as "more value" and won't think twice about paying for something free
"Sony is not stealing or forcing you to pay extra, it is because of rising cost and betterment of the services, most of the features and services are still out of paywall like netflix, free2play games, browsing, recording etc.
I don't want to talk about Microsoft, everybody knows who they are what they are doing and if still you don't know, it's your ignorance and ignorance is bliss. "
So when Sony charges for online play, it is for the "betterment of the service", but when MS does it, it is a straight rip off?
What if MS is putting in extra resources to tailor the apps to Xbox One standards?
That is basically what MS has been doing with every single app, and that is why the Xbox experience is unified.
The fee enabed MS to experiment and introduce apps like Netflix which started this revolution. MS revolutioned online play and apps like Netfix on consoles, not Sony.
Sony and hence their customers is just a beneficiary of what MS has done!
I have only one answer for whatever you said in the comment.
Microsoft=Mandatory
Double payments for the services and charging payment for free services is not revolution, it's swindling.
Being a Microsoft fanboy you don't have choices, just do it their way or no way.
Xboxlive
Kinect
And ton of other polices which they reversed, for that thanks but no thanks.
Don't be a slave to products, buy freedom not shackles.
What about the people who paid 500$ for the console. Second grade citizens.
Some of you guys have it so skewed and are majorly ignorant to the degree of which I'm not sure if I can take you seriously at all.
When Sony charges you it's sure as hell not for P2P connectivity or free apps or free-to-play games, or features that are free on every other platform. That ridiculousness has been Xbox and Xbox 360 for the past decade, and so.. sadly... it continues. The stupidity continues.
Now I'm not saying these are not great features. Far from it, but you guys absolutely need to face the facts - Sony are reasonable and don't insult you by charging for things that are free on every single other platform and device out there, and how Microsoft gets away with it? Distractions, padding, smoke and mirrors, half truths. Sure it's marketing - doesn't make it good practice or even remotely respectable. The ignorance of people like you, and those that brush it under the carpet because they're a loyalist with so much invested in the Xbox brand they can't see past what Microsoft has conditioned them into doing and believing, is astounding.
Sony has had dedicated servers on their games on PS3 for years, and they've also been upscaling and boosting their network leading up to what they require for PS4. And not just requiring a subscription to play online, but actually bothering to provide value and save gamers money. GIVING BACK from day freakin' one. Being fair and not locking in games or features that don't require it.
I'll put things in perspective: 90% of the Xbox One's features are locked behind a paywall. Ridiculous things. Game DVR, OneGuide, Netflix, Hulu Plus, YouTube, Vevo, Facebook, Twitter, ESPN, NFL, MLB.tv, iHeartRadio, Network Ten, Crunchyroll, Last.fm, Crackle, Amazon Instant Video, SkyDrive, freaking SKYPE video chat and wait for it......... the Internet Explorer application, that is free even on Windows. And much more.
All freely available to access on every other platform and device, YET you have to pay Microsoft a premium of $60 a year/every year to access them. Pathetic.
If you support a company who charges you to access these features, I find it hard not to think of you as an idiot. But this is not the least surprising to me, as people have been supporting this anti-consumer company for as long as I can remember.
First Microsoft wanted XFans to take all the bitter pills at the same time and now one by one.
I'm not too bothered about it tbh, because more than likely I won't ever try and connect online with the Xbone apart from the initial update. Game DVR behind the pay wall is a bit of a pain, because I feel like that would be a useful feature for walkthroughs, and getting/giving help to people, and at the same time it is a good advertisement for the system and it's games imo.
Everything else, I don't care about at all.
But, but, but Sony doensn't make you pay for DVR features via PSN+. If I had to guess (because I don't believe Sony has confirmed how its DVR works), I would say Sony's DVR is going to store your game capture locally on your HDD vs Xbox One will store your capture on cloud storage. Sony isn't needing to use other resources like cloud storage so it isn't something that would make sense for PSN+, MS is using Cloud storage and why it is behind Xbox Live Gold.
Right, Da Powa of Da Clouds... SMH
I was gonna say that in that exact same spelling too...lmao
Think about it, why doesn't the xb1 have an upgradable HDD? To force people to pay and use Cloud storage where they can control pretty much anything you download and/or pay for. In fact I think the only reason the XB1 has a 500GB harddrive in the first place is mostly due to the competition having it IE Sony. Otherwise MS would force you to store/save/filter everything you do using Cloud.
Not right away but I'm thinking after a year or so, I wouldn't be suprised if MS increases the rates on Xbox live subscriptions and make up some kind of BS to make people believe its in their best intrests. I have a feeling they will
If after all the shady stuff MS has been doing the past few months with all the flip flopping doesn't SHOW you that MS does not have YOU the Gamer/consumers best interests at Heart then more power to you, its your money.
I guess we'll find out soon enough
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just face it, it sucks that you have to pay to play online for either console. nitpicking whether certain apps should or shouldn't be behind that wall is pointless. yes, MS is screwing you over, but stop trying to act so proud that Sony is screwing you over a little bit less.
You cannot excuse Microsoft putting things like Netflix and Free to Play games behind a Gold paywall by pointing to Sony introducing a charge for online play. MS were already charging for online play, and that charge offered a LOT less additional value than Playstation Plus offers. Screwing Silver members out of features that MS have no right to be charging for is anti-consumer, and flat out ridiculous.
Netflix have their own servers....it costs MS literally nothing, yet they put it behind a paywall. There is no justifying that. Out of 78 million 360 owners worldwide, roughly 48 million connect to Xbox Live....and that number includes both Gold and Silver level subscriptions. Let's be really generous and say that 35 million of those are Gold level....that's less than half of the current install base of the console that have Gold. That's a lot of people who are denied access to features that shouldn't be.
Keep trying desperately to rationalise all you like, but MS artificially trying to boost the value of their subscription service has led to a crappier experience for the majority of their users for no good reason.
Wake up Mika.. damn
Edit: Not Every game that will be Available to play Online will require a PS Plus subscription. At least with Sony your given Options, I guess people don't like having options now a days
I've never seen this level of what can accurately be described as 'denial'.
'denial'
It's getting harder and harder to argue for the XB1 right now.
So that's a fair assumption to make.
Which means dismissing it as opinion is invalid.
Exactly.... and I couldn't be happier about it :D
All you whiny idiots who complained about a product you had no intention of buying... looks like your complaining will end up being of little to no consequence.
Online emphasis.... "Its a good thing."
Plus these whiny idiots as you say are potential buyers, they are the people Microsoft should be trying to attract not push in the opposite direction.
I bet there are plenty of people who don't play online with their PS3, just play single player games and watch things like netflix, they are still a console purchaser when all is said and done.......
Online emphasis... "It's a good thing....as long as you don't charge for things others offer for free".
PS3 is free, yet until SONY introduced PSN+
Tell me this, who had the better online infrastructure, who was the better platform for multiplayer, who had party chat. Who offered try before you buy for arcade titles etc just to name but a few points that made XBL GOLD an attractive option.
There was a good reason SONY introduced PSN+ and it was only once they did that PS owners saw the benefits of a subscription based model.
Dont make out just because something is offered for free that, that same service is better than one you might have to pay for as that is definitely not always the case.
As for the second part about potential buyers/consumers, show me who these potential buyers are that keep spouting their gospel of negativity in respect of the X1.
Seriously it doesn't matter what MS does, these same people will NEVER and I mean NEVER buy the X1. They will always look for faults and flaws and if they can't find any they will just make some up. Don't kid yourself that those particular people are potential X1 buyers/consumers as they are not.
Why does it matter to you anyway. It is not like you are getting the XB1 but you are sure on every one of these XB1 article and speaking like it has some kind of affect on your life. smh
Edit:
"By the way, I've seen you in some pro-Sony articles trolling around, so STFU "
like this one?
http://n4g.com/news/1329630...
"Any game release by Naughty Dog will be the day I am getting my PS4 with it. There is no way I will miss any of their games. Both Uncharted and TLOU are two of my favorite games from this generation."
Do you have a future machine where you can see that I didn't get the One? I prefer (obviously) the PS brand, but I had a 360 for a while.
By the way, I've seen you in some pro-Sony articles trolling around, so STFU
It's worth it. Every time I played the equivelent PS3 game compared to my xbox 360, the online gaming experience was ALWAYS worse, in terms of population and lag and the dual shock and it's floaty analog sticks were just AWFUL for FPS games, especially online.
That being said, I'm probably getting a PS4, and have no problem paying $50 a year for good online gaming + free games.
The argument people are making is like saying:
EX: I already paid $20,000 for my car, I shouldn't have to buy gas ever.
-JR
If you’re an Xbox Live Gold member, an unlimited number of people can enjoy many benefits of Xbox Live Gold while they are using your Home Xbox One console. Friends and family will simply create their own account and gamertag and be able to enjoy Xbox Live online multiplayer gaming and access to entertainment apps.
Friends coming over to play? No problem. They can log in with their own gamertag and play online multiplayer. Even if you sign off, your friends and family can enjoy multiplayer gaming while they are playing on your Home Xbox One console
At a Friend’s House with Xbox One
On Xbox One if you are an Xbox Live Gold member, you will be able to go to a friend’s house and play co-op multiplayer– even if your friend is not a Gold subscriber. Once you log in with your Xbox Live Gold account, everyone using that console can access multiplayer and entertainment apps for as long as you are logged in.
At Home with Xbox 360 and Xbox One
If you are an Xbox Live Gold member today, you are already set for Xbox One. Your Xbox Live Gold membership for Xbox 360 will seamlessly become an Xbox Live Gold account on your Xbox One and you will be able to enjoy Xbox Live Gold features on either console. You can even be logged in to Xbox 360 and Xbox One at the same time. Home Gold benefits are exclusively for Xbox One.
What Home Gold Means for the Xbox One Experience
With Xbox One everyone in your home has a personalized account, which will enable powerful and personal experiences, and that’s one of the reasons why we wanted to create Home Gold. It means that your account and your gamertag are truly yours. You don’t have to share your gamertag for multiplayer gaming with others in your home, or see recommendations for your kid’s cartoons next to the recommended first-person shooter for you. It also means that you can introduce new games and enjoy multiplayer with friends while they are at your house. Last but not least, it also means that when you buy one Xbox Live Gold membership, multiple people can enjoy the best benefits of Xbox Live Gold on your Xbox One at no additional charge.
http://news.xbox.com/2013/0...
* This is what happens when people ONLY see what they want to see. Which in this case is looking for negatives where none exist.
As you can see all the features offered behind the Gold XBL subscription can still be enjoyed by others who do not have Gold.
One Gold account and everybody reaps the benefits, which if I remember right is 10 accounts per console maximum.
Stop trolling and spouting rubbish as fact.
Enjoy whatever console you prefer and leave the rest of us to enjoy the X1 as it was never intended for you but for those of us who ACTUALLY Like the X1.
The PS4 is an awesome console and I love what they are trying to do with it, but the X1 with all the changes that keep rolling in just gets better and better.
No matter what console you choose we the gamers win, there are no loosers ONLY happy gamers who are now reaping the benefits of this console war.
Alot of complaints are based in principle and not practical situations. Nearly all of the people who read this site will have a subscribtion anyway, so I don't really think it matters as much as people make out.
MS are putting these features behind the paywall for the person with an expendable wage, who lets their XBL expire and isnt really bothered but still wants to use the box for the TV and media features. Not the gamer like us.
This gen reminds me of politics in every way... Sony and ps4 are perfect and awesome because we can bitch the competition into the ground. The amount of info given to the public is staggeringly in Microsoft's favor
You aren't selling your product, your slamming competition instead.. Trying to make Xbox look bad doesn't make your product look any better..
OT: Many people like to make video walkthroughs of single player games. Sony has flagship titles that involve single player. Also, as stated above, free to play games are not hindered by PS+, so most MMO's will be able to be played online by all.
Unless everybody on N4g has videos of themselves sucking at COD. Fill me in guys. Since when did DVR become so important to you all? because I have NEVER heard it mentioned on N4g up until last week. Suddenly everybody on here wants to put videos of themselves playing games on youtube now?
People are really reaching around here. LMAO!
EDIT: the bottom line is this. you pay to play online. Everything else comes with that. no EXTRA cost. and given that most of you only use your games console to play games, why all the whining? its stuff YOU ( well..fanboys on N4g) dont use right?
Its not an "added benefit at no charge" because the benefit is free on every single other device. It should be unlocked to begin with.
If say, only Xbox Live offered it and you pay to use THEIR SERVICE then fine. The DVR thing is somewhat understandable its their service, but its things like Netflix and Skype thats making people angry. You have to pay just so you can have the opportunity to pay for something else? No.
And if you go to Youtube, plenty of people want to record themselves. there are people making thousands of dollars by doing this....
And what to stop them using it on the device they were using it before? I have skype on my PC. I was introduced to netflix Via XBL. paid for the service. and now I have it on my PC. Even if It was the other way around , I would still be using it on a system for which I already have access to the all the features. because im ALREADY an XBLG member.
If you own an xbox chances are you have XBLG. if you dont (for whatever reason) chances are you use a different device for things like skype and netflix.
Edit: and at your post below? at least people will have the OPTION if they want to play MP for KZ but why do you care, your never gonna play KZ anyways. I know all you play is COD and Madden I bet...
do you like it when other people tell u to shut up and just deal with something? I didnt think so. stop contradicting yourself
Edit: and btw the ones that dont have a PC and can't use Nexflix on any other device have to just take it in a azz if XB is all they have?
sit down man
All of a sudden everyone wants to buy a nice shiny new PS4 to just watch Netflix and play F2P games all day. All of a sudden games like BF4, CoD, Killzone 4 don't matter anymore.
Keep spinning round and round, the FACT remains if you pay for PLUS then it does not matter where these gorgeous apps will be placed, either behind or in front. You will still be paying for two services.
@The Realness
I find it strange that these sony fanboys want to record themselves playing but they don't want anyone to see them flailing their arms around when using the Kinect.
They want to post themselves on the net to have the whole world watch them play games but don't want the Kinect to watch them play games.
Do we play games? Duh, but why shouldn't other features be readily availible? We have to pay for PS Plus now, so if I get all my games on that, why would I pay for Live? Just to have Netflix? Single player games exist too.....
Fact of the matter is, if I decide one day "hmm don't feel like paying for PS Plus" then the PS4 still functions. It still offers chat, netflix, skype, whatever you use. You simply cannot go online to play certain games or use the rented games, WHICH IS WHAT YOU PAID FOR WHEN PAYING FOR PLUS. Everything else YOU PAID FOR SEPARATELY STILL WORKS.
And there is a difference between recording a fake character and your optional voice, and a camera actually watching you play the game.....
Fact remains, you pay to play online for PS4. When that happens it doesn't matter where these applications are placed. You can scream "what if" and "options" all you want. But the main focus of the PS4 and for the better part of it's library will be having to have PS+.
If you want to use Netflix, hulu, blah, blah, blah get yourself a 40 dolla rocu box.
And you are right about recording games and having men in trench coats sitting in a Matrix style room watching you play Madden while drinking Mountain Dew. So much world bending intelligence can be gathered by those visuals. information.
Man, I've come across some really deluded fanboys on this site, but you really take the cake.
To pretend MP is the focus, you go so far as to act like without multiplayer, you'd have to be buying a console for Netflix and an internet browser. You amazingly leave out stuff like single player, which represents at least half of all gaming done on consoles.
Fun fact: Every Xbox One launch game has single player. Every PS4 launch game with paid-multiplayer has single player. Crazy, right!? And get this... for a good portion of those games, single player is the focus. And if your mind hasn't imploded from such revelations yet, you should know that some games don't have multiplayer at all, and some people don't like when it's added either. In fact, did you know there was a time when consoles didn't have multiplayer at all, and get this... people bought them!
Single player is a thing, and people like it. Try not to have a seizure as you absorb such a world-shattering fact.
But I guess my time is wasted pointing out reality. If you're willing to overlook the fact that three quarters of those with a 360 (a console with the heaviest online focus) don't play online, or the fact that a dependency on an internet connection practically sank the Xbox One until MS backtracked, no amount of common sense will make you accept the fact that there is more to gaming than multiplayer, and that the overwhelming majority simply isn't interested enough to pay for it.
Go ahead and keep fighting the war against reality. Microsoft appreciates it.
In your non-understanding of the simplest of reading comprehension. Your over reliance of proving some kind of irrelevant point about some numbers pulled from magic about 360 users not being online. Doesn't seem to answer my question or begin to explain my point about the P. S. 4.
I will say it again...
If you pay for PS+ (which you and many if not all here will do)then complaining about where Netflix will go is irrelevant.
You can scream, holler, jump up and down about choice all you want but you will be paying to play online. And that will be a fee for online AND a fee for Netflix, etc, etc, etc.
Why do you continue to pretend everyone will have a subscription?
It's a fact that there are 46 million Live accounts. It's a fact that only about half have Gold accounts. Microsoft said this themselves. Google is your friend. But then again, for someone like you hellbent on trivializing an issue that applies to millions (around 60 million in the 360's case), facts "pulled from the magic" of Google is probably your worst enemy. Fanboys like yourself hate facts that clash with whatever nonsensical playland they've invented you shield Microsoft and themselves from legitimate criticism.
You continue to boil every argument down to what you assume people involved with the argument will do, regardless of whether they are talking about the userbase as a whole, or their own personal situation. I guess because that's all you really have.
When talking about the overall userbase, you're argument is nothing but irrelevant garbage, so you keep pretending it's an issue to no one because it's not an issue to the handful of people who possess, unlike you, the remarkable ability to understand the effects of MS's policies beyond their own personal experience.
I've had an Xbox for over six years and have never had Live. What I can and can't access without a subscription is a very real issue, despite your best efforts to pretend otherwise. The same goes for about 60 million other Xbox users. For some reason, you think that because I have Plus changes that problem.
Pretend all you want. Hide behind the fact that the few people talking about the bigger picture will probably have PS+.
At the end of the day, no amount of your BS, including blatantly overlooking single player, changes the fact that the overwhelming majority of gamers won't pay for a subscription. You try to make the issue irrelevant by pretending it only applies to the handful of people you're responding to, but anyone with half a brain can see it's a huge issue when it comes to all Xbox users as a whole.
Why do so many PS3 users have a PS plus membership when online is free for PS3 unlike the 360 requiring it? Because PS plus is that damn good of a Value, I have over 20 games downloaded to my HD and 3/4 of those are PS Plus free games.
I don't know about everyone else but I don't like having to pay for something I dont want in order to get something I do want "paywall"
Example: Would anyone that wanted to go shopping at the mall pay a toll just to get in the Mall? and then pay another toll at each and every store in the mall just to look around? If you do then enjoy your xb live memebership
With this kind of thinking, Im wondering if the servers for KZ etc, are going to be half empty. your call though,mate.
Think about it this way.
When the avarage consumer go out to buy a video game console they see it as a toy. Not as entertainment for the whole family.
When they ask the clerks for the difference hopefully they know what they are and can name them.
For example let say that the One does come with a 3 month free live.
This means, the parent or person that sees consoles as just toys will not know about Amazon and live card deals(unless told by the clerk. That makes a whole different scenario then). They will just know that it costs 59.99. To the average consumer 59.99 is still a lot of money. Hence why you still hear and see complaints of why games are so expensive.
The competition allows for all your apps to be free out of the gate. No need to buy another subscription for a subscription you are already paying for.
There is a reason why Netflix is the most used app on PS3. It is not behind a paywall. Since its a well known fact that Netflix isnt behind a paywall at all the general public and people that see them as toys will except one product over the other just based on that fact.
Try explaining this to your average consumer.
You have to pay a yearly subscription to be able to use your monthly subscription. On a 500 dollar video game console. You can also watch tv on it for free.
Which is why I said this makes sense to us. The video game aficionado.
Believe it or not but not everyone wants to play multiplayer. Yes, that's right. There are plenty of people out there that either don't have much interest in paying for online, because they prefer single player, or they don't have enough time to play online to justify paying for it. And what about all the people that will buy an X1 as mainly an entertainment device? After all, Microsoft is marketing hard that this is for everyone, not just gamers.
Yet, if these people want to watch Netfix or a similar service, they have to pay for gold just so they can then pay for Netfix? Complete bull. You should not have to pay for gold just to access these thing, period. And I would be saying the exact same thing if Sony were doing this.
You don't have to try and defend everything they do you know?
-JR
Edit: I can't change it now. Sorry!
-JR