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No Girls Allowed: How Sexism is Harming Gaming

The Koalition writes: "Community is a very loaded word. While it lets us gamers come together under a shared passion, it also allows us to exclude those we do not feel meet our standards of membership. For some every game is too easy, they laugh their way through games like Dark Souls. Insanity, Nightmare, Very Hard, that is what gaming is and everyone else needs to get on their level. Others need complexity and depth. If any streamlining or handholding is present in a game then they scream about casualization, and that the “mouth breathing” CoD players ruin everything spouting their words of sexism."

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Abriael4352d ago

Absolutely silly and overblown article. Love when it defines "attractive characters" sexist.

Wanna know what's harming gaming? The continuous crying wolf about sexism when it doesn't apply to beg for hits subtracting attention to where it really does.

This article is a perfect example of that.

EdgarNygma4352d ago (Edited 4352d ago )

nah, it says that attractive female characters with no personality is sexist, which could be true I dont care. I am sexist as shit. It is kinda confusing because he says this is sexist and it is hurting gaming but also admitting he is sexist by that definition. I mean he says he loves tits but maybe girls don't?

seems like an honest article but not one that would make a feminist happy, and one that would still make people criticize it like all the other feminist sexism articles. he isnt trying to please anyone, which is weird for article with such a baiting title.

shivvy244352d ago

lara went from trangle to round tits ! 2013 We did it !

Donnieboi4352d ago

The more u guys click these articles, the louder the voices of these writers get with each article. If they know iy will get hits, then they'll fabricate another overblown non-issue and magnify it to an even worse level than the last b.s. article.

In layman's terms: Don't click flaimbate or provocative articles that try to divide the sexes.

OhMyGandhi4352d ago

sexism is a non issue??
how so?

Donnieboi4352d ago (Edited 4352d ago )

@Rusted:

No, sexism is an issue. And in fact i've posted articles on n4g about it. But when it is blown out of proportion, then the writers take it up a notch in a few days and fabricate more propaganda to seperate the sexes. Kotaku is a major example.

@Edgar (below): No it isn't any more relevant if I write it or put it on n4g. However, I hope to repair any divides between the sexes by engaging in meaningful discussions. Rather than pointing the finger or trying to turn women into victims who need to be saved. If we continue this route, than how is it any different from treating women like the very same damsels-in-distress that we claim to despise?

Also Edward, allow me to repeat a quote you just made in yout comment at the top of the page:

"I am sexist as sh*t.".

If this is what you have to say for yourself, than I guess we're done talking, as it should be YOU that is held under the sexism magnifying glass. Not me. Be gone, sir.

EdgarNygma4352d ago

wait, so when you write about it then it is serious, when someone else does it is overblown propaganda.....right.

EdgarNygma4351d ago

@Donnieboi

I meant to write "he is sexist as shit", the rest of my comment talks about how he says he is sexist but criticizes sexism. This makes the article confusing. Though, I admit I may be sexist in some ways, preconceived values are hard to cast off when you are grown in a religious Texas household. If I could edit the post I would, but in the end it was a misstatement.

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ziggurcat4352d ago

these stupid things always get a story quality? WTF? and like this website? no.

Bakkies4352d ago

"Stop denying talented developers opportunities because they have ovaries, would you kindly?"

What? Where? Has Kim Swift been denied to design Portal or Left 4 Dead? Or what about Jade Raymond? O I guess it has to do with the reaction to Julie Larson-Green who has no gaming background whatsoever.

"Treat everyone with respect, would you kindly?"

I go to a 1000 person LAN every now and again, every time I go the amount of girls increase. You know why? Because there are few places where girls are treated with more respect. But I guess you are talking about Xbox Live banter where nobody is treated with respect?

Finally, it's ironic that the article's concern is prejudice and stereotyping, yet it holds no punches to stereotype the whole gaming community as sexist.

SilentNegotiator4352d ago (Edited 4352d ago )

"What? Where? Has Kim Swift been denied to design Portal or Left 4 Dead? Or what about Jade Raymond? O I guess it has to do with the reaction to Julie Larson-Green who has no gaming background whatsoever"

Didn't you hear? Sexism is EXACTLY the same issue racism in the 1950s and before. Women aren't even allowed to take male jobs.

/s

cunnilumpkin4352d ago (Edited 4352d ago )

we welcome all women to gaming with open arms, the more the merrier!!

-no fat chicks

NihonjinChick4352d ago

Is wonder if there are guys that complain about the unrealistic portrayals of men in WWE games. Think about it, most of the wrestlers are buff guys who wear nothing but tight undies.

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The Real Enemy of Gaming Isn’t DEI. It’s the CEO

From Horse Armor to Mass Layoffs: The Price of Greed in Gaming. Inside the decades-long war on game workers and the players who defend them.

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jambola4d ago

maybe a real enemy is people who use terms like "the real enemy"
there can be more than 1 bad thing, t's not like a kids show with 1 big bad

senorfartcushion2d ago

This is very much a “dummy who volunteers themselves to the middle” comment.

The real enemy is a common phrase, people use it all the time.

Calm down.

jambola2d ago

i'm very calm
you seem very upset however

Notellin1d 19h ago

You don't seem calm at all. Don't take this so seriously, you seem desperate responding to others defending your opinion that lacks any value or critical thought.

jambola1d 18h ago

stop projecting
i'm not desperately dong anything, i'm tapping at keys on my keyboard bud

PapaBop1d 18h ago

It's not like kids show with one bad guy? I present to you.. Bobby Kotick

ABizzel11d 16h ago (Edited 1d 16h ago )

DEI was never the problem and it was an ignorant take to begin with.

DEI is why games like Kena Bridge of Spirits, South of Midnight, and Ghost of Tsushima exist.

DEI is why we have a huge resurgence in Japanese, Chineses, and Korean developers producing games like Stellar Blade, Black Myth, and why Nintendo & Sony exist.

DEI is why more and more games have HUGE accessibility options with both Sony and MS fully behind this.

DEI was never a bad thing, the entire purpose of DEI is representation of all people, genders, disabilities, etc…

The problem was people used DEI as a default derogatory term to describe what they believed was forced representation, which allowed colorist, racist, sexist, misogynist, homophobic, and xenophobic fools to run away with the negative DEI narrative.

jambola1d 5h ago

you don't get to decide other people's motivations
sorry to break it to you

ABizzel19h ago(Edited 9h ago)

To each their own, however, nothing you said invalidates why some people take offense to DEI incorrectly.

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Sciurus_vulgaris4d ago

Executives seem to often have an obsession with perpetual revenue growth. There is always a finite amount of consumers for a product regardless of growth. Additionally, over investment is another serious issue in gaming.

Killer2020UK2d ago

The fact that they also rarely have any real expertise in game development compounds things. They'll look at what's been successful elsewhere, lack the knowledge to properly understand why they have been successful and then force a team to 'reproduce' their badly interpreted idea of that success.

We see it so often with sequels to games that were successful too. The team are left well alone, they have a break through hit and all of sudden the money men descend on the IP and completely railroad the dev team's ideas. Usually winds up being 'make the same game but MORE'

LoveSpuds1d 19h ago

This is true throughout all of the corporate and public sector organisations to be honest. CEO's generally move amongst the corporate world without any need to have experience of a particular industry, they simply need to rely on their senior leadership credentials. A CEO of a retail giant will just as easily transition to a CEO role in the energy sector for example.

Not defending CEOs here to be clear, I think it's a huge part of the reason the western world is so fucked up. CEOs don't need to care about the sector they work in, in fact it's better if they don't care if they want to screw everyone to make profits.

GhostScholar2d ago

Companies don’t hire executives to break even. If the goal is breaking even then why start the company in the first place.

Soy2d ago

That's understood; it's getting record profits and expecting to always beat those record profits, and seeing anything less as a total failure. Then they lay people off and raise prices to reach those record profit levels again, just to sate shareholders. It's setting expectations way too high just to spike share prices, then inevitably falling short. It's feeling entitled to being more successful than everyone else. It's the CEOs doing all this to boost their own bonuses.

ABizzel11d 16h ago

Growth benefits the company’s profits and therefore the company’s stock if publicly traded, which pleases the shareholders making them more and more rich, which is why Growth is always at the forefront of the vast majority of any publicly traded company.

More growth = More Money and the people at the top want all the money they can get. I can’t really blame them anyone would love to see their profits go from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands, to multi-millions it’s almost like a gambling addiction.

But it also goes to show someone how morals can go out the window for a lot of these people, and how amazing some CEOs are when they catch this early and provide a balance solution that takes complete care of their employees across the board while keeping the business sustainable IE: Insomniac Games ALWAYS on the best places to work list. The rest of the industry could learn.

jambola3d ago

honestly, the "real" enemy of gaming, is ourselves
if nobody bought horse armor, shitty dlc would have died almost overnight
if we stood firm and nobody bought games from companies that were bad with layoffs, it would be solved
we're the idiots supporting awful business practices, we are the ones enouraging it

TiredGamer2d ago

I think the reality that we don't want to convince ourselves of is that without the rise of "horse armor" and DLC, game budgets would have essentially stagnated (smaller teams/smaller games), or game prices would have risen much more dramatically than they have. There was an incessant drive for bigger worlds, infinite detail, and hundreds of hours of "gameplay" over the last two decades, that while perhaps a natural evolution of things, needed a suitable funding stream to accomplish.

HyperMoused2d ago

What...CEOs make tens of millions and that doesnt include SLT etc etc...we now have multiple editions of games, in game currency, MT's, battle passes.....and what do we get..worse game than what was coming out 20 years ago....dont drink the cool aid, its this nickel and dime crap that is absolutely leading us to gaming destruction.

senorfartcushion2d ago

This is the worst possible answer to this conundrum. Blaming the masses is blaming the only people who are constantly “told” to buy.

Consumers are the only ones not to blame here. People make their own choices all the time. Disney movies are bombing and DEInis being blamed. Has that been enough to put Disney out of business? No and it never will.

Christopher2d ago

Disagree. Businesses are able to do what they do because people are bad consumers and don't think critically about purchases. Disney got away with doing shit stuff for years and it's just the last year where people got tired of it. It's not like it didn't work for 5 years or so for Disney to do the things they've done. They'll just move onto another way to get people to see movies and it will be just as bad but more profitable until people wake up and realize it.

TiredGamer2d ago

Consumerism drives business behavior. It's not so much "blaming" as it is observing behavior. The point I'm making is that the direction that games have gone are driven by the spending. Consumers are spending on DLC and they are driving the expectation of more glitz and padded out (lengthier) games. If they continue to pay, they will continue to drive that direction until a threshold is reached that forces a change in behavior.

senorfartcushion2d ago

Corporate advertising is the most powerful force on the planet.

This is N4G for god sake, every day there are arguments between people who are Team Xbox and Team PlayStation because they’ve been convinced that having an identity built on paying money to Sony and Microsoft matters more than having one as individual gamers who can play whatever they want.

And THEN we get to the corporate advertising part: to play whatever you want is to sink MORE into the advertising pits, making it so that you can more than one specific product.

jambola2d ago

ah you're right
they were told to buy it, it's clearly impossible to avoid that
if enough people stopped supporting, it would stop
disney not stopping would only be because enough people didn't stop

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victorMaje2d ago

Agreed. I’ve been saying for years, announce you won’t be buying the upcoming game because of the practices of the previous game, then you only have to stick to your guns once, see how quickly things change for the better.

We have to unite in what we shouldn’t purchase.

jambola2d ago

just imagine a world, fifa came out worse, nobody buys the next one until they see proof it's better and stick to it
or games being forced online for single player and nobody buys it
things would change so fast

HyperMoused2d ago

Just like scooby doo, you have shown us the real monsters are us

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Inverno2d ago

Greed and greedy people have and always will be the main issue for everything wrong in the world. Everything is a product to be exploited for monetary gain. Even when there are things that could help progress us along for the sake of making our lives easier that thing must be exploited for monetary gains. Anything that tells you otherwise is propaganda to make you complicit.

coolfool2d ago

I've never thought "DEI" (although the way most people use it doesn't match it's real definition) is the problem with games. Good games have continued to be good when they have a diverse cast, and likewise, bad games have continued to be bad. There isn't a credible example I've seen where a diverse cast has been the direct cause of a game being bad.

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