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Submitted by NathanM 694d ago | opinion piece

I'm Worried For Microsoft's Next Console

Nathan Manning, Editor for AnalogAddictio, expresses his concerns for the Microsoft's next console. (Microsoft, Next-Gen, Xbox 360)

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StrongMan  +   694d ago | Well said
You should worry. I have decided not to buy the next Xbox. It's clear to me that MS don't care about the hardcore gamers like myself. All they want are the casuals now. They won't fool me twice. I'm tired of just Halo and Gears and those kiddy Kinect shovel ware games don't interest me. MS lost the hardcore this gen and that's why they are in last place and I don't see the next Xbox being a hit with the hardcore.

@Walker

But if I can buy those same "many hardcore and triple-a" multi plat titles on my PS4 then why would I buy an Xbox 720. Like the author and myself said the Xbox needs more hardcore exclusives. Kinect Sesamestreet and Kinect Disneyland don't count.
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Walker  +   694d ago
Many hardcore and triple-a titles are on the way for next generation xbox . donot worry:).
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The_Infected  +   694d ago
I do think they may bring some new exclusive IP for the Next gen Xbox. I really want some good new hardcore exclusive games.
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talisker  +   694d ago
I heard the same 3 years ago and the same about hardcore Kinect titles. It turned out to be just a lie from Microsoft. I'm not wasting my money again. They lost all credibility in my eyes.
tehpees3  +   694d ago
There will be hardcore games I'm sure of that but the question is how much focus Microsoft give there.

Their software output might not effect the majority of Xbox fanboys but it looks bad compared to their competitor's offerings for average gamers.

For every piece of shovelware they put out on Kinect those could be resources used for a long lost sequel. For every contract signed for timed DLC/exclusives that could be money well invested in new IPs. Then you have the heavier focus on making it into an entertainment device rather then a gaming device.

Pachter might agree with it but I don't believe gamers will. Microsoft are actually the ones in danger of making the most mistakes because they have the least experience in launching hardware.

They are an American company in an American mind set and that will bite them in the rear next time. I am sure of that.
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aiBreeze  +   694d ago
Meh, Microsoft will spend more time this E3 rambling on about it's entertainment features than the great exclusives that will be coming out this year with the console. I hope they prove me wrong but I've lost faith in Microsoft as a company that caters to it's hardcore gaming fanbase.

If they do take this approach, I really hope it bites them in the ass.. they'll probably throw so much money at marketing the console that it would be near impossible for it to fail. Still, can only hope that by not focusing on the ones most likely to be early adopters, will bite them in the ass and force them to appreciate the real gamers a bit more.
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DOMination-  +   694d ago
How many times do I have to post this!

Microsoft have spent the last 18 months buying up first party talent. They own 21 first party studios. That's 9 more than Sony. If you look into those studios, they are all developing games for next gen, many of which are new IP.

That doesn't mean they'll be amazing, it's largely an unknown as all but 6-7 are new studios but for me, it shows MS are trying to fix one of the fair criticisms aimed at them over the last few years.

I think we should wait until e3 to judge where they are heading. You may well be right, but I have a genuine feeling a lot of people around here will be surprised.
Enemy  +   694d ago
What do people honestly expect out of the next Xbox? I'm legit curious. It's not like Microsoft have acquired any new developers to call their own. They have 343 but you could bet Microsoft will keep them on Halo. It's not like they bought Epic (Epic themselves said the Xbox division can't afford them). It's not like they've been building a strong 1st party lineup.

They could have bought THQ and made Saints Row, Metro, and Darksiders exclusive to Xbox. If they'd done this, I'd easily purchase the next Xbox.

For now, all we have to go by is that they'll be as good as they were this gen. DLC, Kinect, Halo, and Gears (if it doesn't go multiplatform as Epic owns the IP).

It really does seem like they've changed their ways. Their "better with Kinect" commercials should worry all Xbox fanatics.
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EVILDEAD360  +   694d ago
Now worried at all about the 720...
As a gamer that's owned both the original giant and the 360 at both of their launch windows, I actually believe MS is in it's best position to deliver the goods than they ever have been.

MS is in the driver's seat of it's own destiny at this point.

Xbox Live is going to be huge for the early adopters. MS just needs to keep improving it at the same clip that they have this gen.

EVERY system relies on it's go-to franchises when the move onto the next gen. In MS case they had the #1 selling hardcore exclusive franchise this gen among it's big games. In this department, MS has the anchor it needs to improve upon next gen.

As for the system itself, regardless of whether the rumors of specs are true, MS clearly took the next system seriously and it will be more powerful than the 360. How powerful is up in the air.

It's going to be fun to see what comes out of E3, but I like what I'm hearing so far out of that camp.

Evil
DigitalRaptor  +   694d ago
@ Enemy.

At least give credit where it's due. Microsoft have actually strengthened their first party by opening up new studios and partnering with others, which is one of the points which we've been driving for a while. Whether the developers will deliver is another matter entirely.
AsimLeonheart  +   693d ago
I just remembered an article that published by a reputed business website when the first XBOX launched. I do not remember the website today but the article made a very important prediction which I still remember because it is becoming true. The author said that MS was using XBOX as a trojan horse to take over the living rooms. They will introduce it as a games console, slowly introduce other functionalities, develop it into a fully functional media hub and in the end abandon or put gaming in the background. It sounded so far-fetched at the time but amazingly today it is becoming a reality. IMO the next XBOX is the final stage of the plan MS put into action several years ago.
BrianC6234  +   693d ago
" I do think they may bring some new exclusive IP for the Next gen Xbox. I really want some good new hardcore exclusive games. "

But Microsoft dumped most of their development teams and care more about third party games now. They won't get many exclusives that way.
slimpickens  +   693d ago
TO be honest nobody knows what to expect from MS! They can either come out hard fighting it's criticisms or keep going the way they are going.
It appears to me as if something happened when the rrod, Peter Moore quitting episode happened.

People can judge MS all they want but I will give them the benefit of the doubt even though I've felt let down for the past few years. They've added new studios and still offer the best console online gaming experience for me. Exclusives like Halo don't matter as long as they keep improving (yes I want more exclusives)the game. Tons of games are under the MS umbrella with more coming. All the hate will be here no matter what by the same people that strictly back there preference. NO matter what MS does they will complain it's not good enough.

At the end of the day I'm just happy to be a gamer. What ever console you like more power to you.
Temporary  +   693d ago
If they make online play free on the Xbox Next, I'll probably pick it up.

Definitely not falling for the LIVE scam again.
Leviathan  +   693d ago
@ DOMination: Microsoft has Rare, Lionhead, Turn 10 and 343. Those are the only studios that make non-kinekt AAA disc based games.They can own a thousand studios for all I care. If they only make downloadable mini-games or kinekt games then it's pointless for the hard core gamers. Here's a link for you to check for yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
WiiUsauce  +   694d ago | Well said
woah, a Sony fanboy saying he won't buy anything other than a Sony console. Damn that's the first time I've ever seen this.
iamnsuperman  +   694d ago
No offence but saying your not going to buy it with a giant PSN plus logo as your avatar speaks volumes. Wait till it is released. I am less inclined, at the moment, to buy it but I am not ruling it out just yet
ElectricKaibutsu  +   694d ago
I wouldn't rule it out either but I don't like region locked systems and I definitely don't like paying for basic online. They'd have to change those two things and get a bunch of great exclusives. I have nothing against Xbox specifically of course.
MarkusMcNugen  +   693d ago
@ElectricKaibutsu

Just FYI, there has been no mention that the PS4 will be region free. It may be, it may not.
DOMination-  +   693d ago
@Leviathan:

Blind ignorance. Im well aware of that article. How do you know they are all kinect or downloadable games? Their projects haven't been revealed. Yes they have two casual studios and no doubt they will continue with the type if games you mention but then so does Sony. There's no evidence to suggest what you're saying.

MS Redmond, MS LA, Press Play, Black Task, MS Victoria, MS Soho, Twisted Pixel, platform Next Studios, Connected Experiences and Lift are all working on new untitled projects. But if you want to keep believing they are all developing kinect shareware then you do that and we will see at e3.
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dedicatedtogamers  +   694d ago | Well said
A lot of people - even people like you who SWEAR they won't touch the Nextbox - will buy it anyway.

That's because Microsoft always does an excellent job marketing their new products. NextBox will launch. The journalists will shout about how it is revolutionary, how it is the best console ever. You'll see endless articles titled "10 Reasons the NextBox is better than the PS4/WiiU". You'll see familiar franchises like Halo, Gears, Forza, and...oh? What's this? Some brand-new IP exclusive shooter? Or RPG? Or open-world game? Maybe a new Killer Instinct finally? Maybe another Banjo game? What?!? "Oh man, you HAVE to try this out" says the internet. You will get excited. You will doubt your apprehension.

And then Microsoft will come out with some sort of deal, like "Sign up for 2 years of LIVE and get $100 off the NextBox". And you'll buy it.

For the first two or three years, you'll be very happy. You'll write a blog post about how "I'm glad I was wrong about the NextBox." You'll gush about all the games you're enjoying. And this will last for the first two or three years.

Then, the exclusives will die down. No, not immediately. It will slowly trickle down. But you'll tell yourself "It's okay" because Microsoft will update the NextBox dashboard for free, or they'll announce some exclusive DLC for GTA6 or Fallout 4. You'll start to doubt again, but you won't get rid of your NextBox. No, you already have too much invested.

Then, the hardcore support will REALLY drop off, and you'll be saying what you're saying now: "Man, I will never buy another Xbox again. Microsoft has tricked me for the last time".
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stage88  +   694d ago
Well said. It will be exactly the same with history repeating itself. People need to open their eyes and see through the marketing schemes. USA I'm looking at you.
aiBreeze  +   694d ago
Sounds like my feelings throughout xbox 360s history, started off great, started going sour and now it's just pathetic. Only 360 only game I bought last year was Halo 4 and even that turned out to be a disappointment in the end and the developers taking over four months to release a balancing patch.
Oh_Yeah  +   694d ago
Not happening man, I'll wait 2+ years before I buy the nextbox what they did this gen was inexcusable. I'll only get it if live is free and they have atleast 10 exclusives I like.
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Monkeycan8  +   694d ago
Yes "exclusive" DLC for GTA 6 and Fallout 4 just like the "exclusive" DLC for GTA 4 and Fallout 3..
Pillsbury1  +   694d ago
Couldn't have said it better myself. M$ is king of marketing, look at how they shoved there way into consoles with the original Xbox.
Septic  +   693d ago
This is the excuse Sony fanboys are going to be prepping up if the 720 or nextbox or whatever is called, launches with a killer line-up.

In reality, what has happened this generation is that the 360 has had an abundance of games and fanboys on here are quick to downplay the quality of the killer apps the 360 has whilst ignoring the sheer quality and strength of the multiplats on offer.
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IAMERROR  +   694d ago
lol Strongman, you've never had an Xbox let's not lie. you're the one that going to be missing out on all the great new games on the 720. But hey you'll still find a way to spin shit into a negative way because that's what happens when you're loyal to a piece of plastic. lolol
HarryMasonHerpderp  +   694d ago
I think it's just a case of wait and see what they do before buying. I will no doubt buy a PS4 because they have supported the hardcore gamer every step of the way on every Sony console so that's a no brainer.
But I'm on the fence with the WiiU and the next Xbox because they seemed to forget about the gamers and put all of their resources into the casual market.
If they support the hardcore gamer as well as the casuals then I'll no doubt purchase them both.
It's all about the games and I want Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony to deliver.
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Rebo00  +   694d ago
@aiBreeze
Unless they're all developing next gen Kinect games...
Jek_Porkins  +   694d ago
You don't even have an Xbox 360, you have stalked a lot of my posts and even sent me messages hating on everything Microsoft and Nintendo. We get it, you love Sony. You even gave me some bogus Xbox Live Gamertag that you probably didn't expect me to check.

That being said, the next Xbox is exciting for a lot of reasons. The main reason is that Microsoft knows how to kick off a console generation. Looking back at the original Xbox and the Xbox 360's launch, they both had AMAZING lineups. Judging by the fact that most of Microsoft 20 odd first party studios haven't been doing anything with the 360 in over 3 years, it's a safe bet that they've been working on the next Xbox. Including Black Tusk's new core title, and we know Rare is working on at least 2 new games, one of which is supposed to be a first person shooter.

Of course it'll launch with Kinect 2.0, but as an option it shouldn't worry anyone, in 2012 Microsoft had the most core lineup of the big 3.

If you are going with Sony that is fine, but don't sit there and lie like you were ever going to buy an Xbox 360 or try to get people to hate blindly like you do.
Bumpmapping  +   694d ago
Yea they kick off this generation with great new IPs no doubt but that's where Microsoft failed with the 360.

They changed the dash board stopped supporting new IPs just doing sequels and spinoffs to well established games lot of the 360 fans love...Than comes Kinect shoving it down user base throats and increasing the price of Live.

Casuals first Hardcore second its going to be the same old song and dance next gen with 720 M$ cant cater to both sides.
legendof117  +   694d ago
@ StrongMan

I don't comment much on these articles, but I am always logged in checking this site out.

Every time I see your name it's on an Xbox article hating.

I don't go on to your beloved Playstation articles hating... now do I?

It's called respect.
AngelicIceDiamond  +   694d ago
@Strong Hmph not to sound like a troll but Sony had a allot of failed Ips this gen.

Other than UE, infamous and LBP and Heavy Rain what other game was super successful on PlayStation? Soccom and MAG failed/shutdown Socom's not even a new Ip it was a highly rated PS2 Ip, Resistance despite having 3 games and the third being the highest rated failed.

Haze failed, MotorStom failed/shutdown Warhawk failed/Studio fell apart/ twisted metal 50 50 but still failed at the end. Agent never was, TLG is not around (until we hear otherwise) countless HD remakes for fillers

Some of those are old Ips but majority are new Ip's NEW IP'S. I don't have hate in my blood nor troll in my blood but this weak kid force my hand.

I don't know why people are worried. only the internet and N4G are worried while the rest of us are ready to see what MS brings to the table. A overhauled Live experienced, great new entertainment features and most and far more importantly NEW IP's. As I said N4G and the internet are worried but the rest of us aren't.
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Dread  +   694d ago
dont foget

Lair
raytraceme  +   694d ago
You failed to mention huge successes like god of war, metal gear solid 4, MLB the Show, killzone, ratchet and clank (main series), and gran turismo ;)
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JoySticksFTW  +   693d ago
And Demon's Souls was successful as well.

and Warhawk was great

Really what defines failure in your book?
trouble_bubble  +   693d ago
@angelicicediamond
You clearly haven't done your homework. Like, at all. It's almost scary.

God of War was successful, both part 3 and the HD collection sold millions and have meta averages over 90%.

MAG didn't fail lmao, it was a new IP online only shooter that sold over a million, better than games like Crackdown 2 and Forza Horizons.

Yakuza 3 sold over a million too.

Motorstorm sold millions too, I have no idea where on earth you get your ideas from.

Resistance didn't fail, part one sold over 4 million, they've all passed a million actually and part 3 was NOT the highest rated, part 2 was with an 87% metacritic average. You literally did NO homework, no clue.

Killzone? Never heard of it? Sold a few million, 91% meta avg for KZ2.

Warhawk sold over a million as well, online only.

Twisted Metal, a niche car combat game sold on par with Witcher 2 Assassins of Kings, one of the highest rated console exclusives last year on 360. What's the problem?

Never heard of Demon's Souls either? New IP, won GOTY from Gamespot, sold over a million, spun off to Dark Souls on the 360

MGS4 is over 90% on meta and sold millions, Gran Turismo 5 is at 9 million, Valkyria Chronicles was another new IP that came out of left field nowhere to sell over a million alongside stalwarts like Ratchet and Clank. 4 different genres, all successful.

Journey won a bunch of GOTYs last year including from IGN and Gamespot, NiNoKuni just came out and is the highest rated game of the year so far. So yeah, no. Calling all those 'failed IPs' is disingenuous. Credit where its due.
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UnholyLight  +   694d ago
Kind of stupid at this point to be worried. I have no doubt in my mind that Microsoft will deliver. I will be purchasing both consoles this time around as well.

Can anyone wait to see what will be offered before saying "we're doomed if we buy a Nextbox"

I mean, you don't see me running around sayin Sony is failing because some of their IP's don't interest me. I have faith in both companies that they will bring their game 140% when the new stuff is on it's way. Microsoft has learned a lot of lessons with Kinect and the way they treated gamers. Yes, we stopped having IP's but it is BLATANTLY obvious that there will be many ready to go within the first 2 years of Nextbox's life cycle. MARK MY WORDS, I'm saying it now, the Nextbox is far from something that worries me. I look forward to many happy years with it, alongside what Playstation will offer me this go around. I just don't wanna miss out on the Killzones and stuff like that!!
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Jason143  +   694d ago
Thanks saved me the trouble. I actually left xbox when they integrated the kiddie dashboard and was sad to see the games stopped shortly afterward. Ill stick with pc for now unless I see 5+ games on a next gen that I cant live without.M$ really let us down this gen imo
Tales RPG addict  +   694d ago
I never once bought into the Kinect bullshit and as ANGRY JOE says it's an inferior piece of Tech that only works when it wants to.
strifeblade  +   693d ago
last place lol, xbox took the half of the playstation 2 market share. what happemed to 150 million who bought ps2? oh ya they all bought ps3... but wait ps3 only sold 70 million? oh ya thats right the other 70 million bought xbox. what does that mean? xbox took 50% of ps3 market share as well as nintendo dominaTING THE SALES WITH WII. funny how things change? the successor to the best selling console of all time came up with less than half and the successor to xbox managed to triple its sales. MY OH MY HOW THINGS CHANGE- PS2 IS NO LONGER THE BEST SELLING CONSOLE- THE DS SURPASSED IT.

sorry but the sony fanboyism on this site is unreal.
dcbronco  +   693d ago
Yeah, we know MS doesn't care about the hardcore because when they announced their new console and all of it's games. The games were all for Kinect. What else is going on in the future?
Y_5150  +   693d ago
People can't take you seriously when you have that PS+ symbol as your Profile pic.
N4GDgAPc  +   693d ago
Well how I picture it the reason why you don't see much exclusives coming out for 360 is that they are moving on already. I bet they have there teams focusing on 720 only. Just like Xbox when 720 comes out there not going to care about 360.
gamern4g  +   693d ago
Well said!
otherZinc  +   693d ago
This dude is a liar!

I stopped reading when he said he no longer see advertisements for new game...WTF? That's the largest picture on the damn front page.

Also, I turned on my 360 & saw the demo of Metal Gear Rising...ON THE FRONT FRIGGIN PAGE!!!!! Downloaded the demo in 16 minutes and played the demo.
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WiiUsauce  +   694d ago
worry about yourself. Microsoft has so much money, if they really wanted to, they could release an 8 bit console as their 8th generation machine just to troll the world. I would buy a brand new 8-bit gaming console though... Halo 8-bit would look so cool with some awesome chip tune music to boot :)
iamnsuperman  +   694d ago
I think if they released a small Halo downloadable 8-bit game I think a lot if people would buy it. It doesn't have to be serious but I wouldn't mind seeing big franchises turned into small 8-bit games for a couple of quid
Garrison  +   694d ago
Chip tune music rules.
IAMERROR  +   694d ago
omggg I want! It would be the best XBLA title!
JoySticksFTW  +   693d ago
Um, someone so needs to release Xbox 8-bit

Not even kidding. Making it downloadable is a good idea.
ChrisW  +   693d ago
A decent side-scrolling 8-bit Halo game? Just reskin Contra!!!
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ZoyosJD  +   693d ago
Look up Halo Zero.

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/...

Fan made, but great little game. Pretty much exactly what you described.
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BanBrother  +   694d ago
As a multi-console owner, I can honestly say I am disappointed with the 360. I don't mean in that bratty fanboy way either, as the exclusives that the 360 has are very good. It is just that there is a lack of variety and not many new IP's in ages.

I know I will be picking up a PS4 before I pick up a '720', that's for sure. Until MS prove to me that they want MY money by adding more new IP's (non-kinect ffs), I'll just wait patiently. I'm only uber excited for Alan wake 2 and Lost Odyssey 2 anyway, and LO2 will probably never happen.
dazzrazz  +   694d ago
You sound like Sony is pumping exclusive title every month Oh boy ! Some people don't give a shit about couple of branded IP's at all !

As a gamers we should be concerned how much publishers are gonna try to rape us with micro-transactions, dlc and other stupid shit they inventing recently
BanBrother  +   694d ago
dazzrazz

Remember, you don't owe MS anything. We as consumers have the right to ask for more. You can't deny that you would prefer more exclusives. I know some people are saying they don't 'need' any, in defence to what some fanboys say to them, but the truth is exclusives do matter, and they are mostly always excellent.

I used to think "blah blah, who cares", but the truth is I am disappointed. Next-gen there is no excuse. Both PS4 and Xbox will have the same multi-plats, but the PS4 will again, most likely have much more variety in their exclusives.

Don't get me wrong, I am one of the biggest Halo fans there is, but sometimes it isn't enough. Especially with new consoles costing a fortune (at least where I live), I will have to 'buy smart'.

I show no loyalty to a company who shows me none. I'm not saying I am in love with Sony, but damn, they are loyal to their core fans, the ones who have supported them since the 90's.
ZoyosJD  +   693d ago
You see, the thing is...they practically are.

Jan. - ki no kuni

Feb. - sly cooper

Mar. - GOW: A

Apr. - ???

May. - TLOU

Jun. - ???...also E3 reveals

possible games for ??? months: FF14, Beyond: Two Souls, Tales of Xilia, Dust 514.

Unless your just being a fanboy, something on that list should interest you.

If DLC, micro-transactions, etc. aren't worth my money, I don't buy. Simple as that.
zerocrossing  +   694d ago
Man we need a LO2, first one was bloody awesome! It's a shame the 360 didn't get more JRPG's but lagging in Japan probably contributed to that. :/
nukeitall  +   694d ago
The problem you see is that consumers don't want exclusives. How many new exclusive sell compared to existing ips?

As consumers we voted with our money, and I am no exception. I have been eyeing a couple of new ips, but I bought ME3, Black Ops2, Halo 4 and been hesitantly considering XCOM and Dishonored. However, I decided to wait until it drops in price before I take a risk.

The people that scream new ips are in a minority, and developers will treat it as such.
Ezz2013  +   694d ago
no that's far from the truth and just an excuse why MS don't offer exclusives any more

here
http://n4g.com/news/1160622...
http://n4g.com/news/1161025...
jetlian  +   694d ago
both those games wont come close to the games he mentioned and we dont know how many of those LEs they made.

What was the best selling ps3 exclusive last year? None were worth anything. Not one AAA game from sony last year. Sony has exclusives nobody wants!
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Ezz2013  +   694d ago
@jetlian

last year there was no AAA games outside of journey which was thebest selling psn game of this gen
http://www.destructoid.com/...
and the one who won most GOTY awards last year too

and in 2011 uncharted 3,kz3,LBP2,infamous 2 etc
all of them sold from 2 to 6 million

ps3 exclusives all of them sell from 2 million to 9 million

i thought we over this "ps3 exclusives don't sell" BS
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jetlian  +   694d ago
journey as in the psn game?! yea thought so. last year all l heard was xbla and kinect games dont count lol

Didnt l say last year as in 2012? l think l did! who said they dont sell? And the games you mentioned some barely made 2 million if that.

Nuke was making a point mp games are getting the most attention. infamous 2 did terrible until it ps+ as did kz3. uncharted was bundle for over a year and lbp2 didnt sell as good as 1
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Ezz2013  +   694d ago
@jetlian

""journey as in the psn game?! yea thought so. last year all l heard was xbla and kinect games dont count lol""

did you saw me say that ?!
and psn game is ps3 exclusive right ?!
so my point still stands

"Didnt l say last year as in 2012? l think l did! who said they dont sell? And the games you mentioned some barely made 2 million if that.

Nuke was making a point mp games are getting the most attention. infamous 2 did terrible until it ps+ as did kz3. uncharted was bundle for over a year and lbp2 didnt sell as good as 1 "

LBP 2 sold over 3m
Infamous 2 sold over 2m and i'm not talking about the psn sales here
only the retail here so both retail+psn is over 3-4million each

uncharted 3 close to almost 6 million
killzone 3 almost 3 million

and uncharted 3 get bundles the same as all xbox exclusives
who also get i day one like halo4 and gears3 etc
MrBeatdown  +   694d ago
Maybe if more new IPs were released, we'd see more of them selling.

You pretend people aren't interested in new exclusives, but what new 360 exclusives have there been to be interested in? Just Dance? Kinect [Insert generic title here]?

Seriously, the last new high profile IP out of Microsoft was Alan Wake three years ago. Before that it was Too Human in 2008. What else has there been? Ninja Blade? Kinectimals? Kind of hard to prove that a quality new exclusive doesn't interest gamers when Microsoft hasn't even introduced any significant new IPs in years. You're just treating an assumption as fact.

What's especially ironic is that the 360 took off early on because of Gears, Dead Rising, Saints Row, Mass Effect, and Bioshock. All new IPs. All exclusive, and all stood out, even when competing with stuff like Call of Duty and Halo.

Pretend all you want that new exclusives are something consumers aren't interested in. History has shown otherwise.
EVILDEAD360  +   694d ago
@ Nukeitall

I disagree in saying that there are people who don't want exclusives. But, definately agree that just because a game is exclusive or it's a new IP that it's somehow more anticipated or received by the gamers simply for that fact.

Ezz is right that there were people that blew off XBLA games every year. But after Walking Dead and Journey those games are finally getting love.

'You pretend people aren't interested in new exclusives, but what new 360 exclusives have there been to be interested in? Just Dance? Kinect [Insert generic title here]?'

Actually, Forza Horizon isn't even close to a Kinect game or a generic title. But for the record Just Dance is a Move game as well as Kinect.

'Seriously, the last new high profile IP out of Microsoft was Alan Wake three years ago.'

If you are going to say this then anyone can see that the last new high profile IP out of Sony was Heavy Rain and thart actually came out BEFORE Alan Wake was released in the same year. So the truth is the new IP argument applies to BOTH Sony and MS, but certain people only pretend that it's only MS.

'What's especially ironic is that the 360 took off early on because of Gears, Dead Rising, Saints Row, Mass Effect, and Bioshock. All new IPs. All exclusive, and all stood out, even when competing with stuff like Call of Duty and Halo.'

The actual irony of the people who criticize MS for the games that were popular early in the gen is that Sony has literally done the exact same thing. (But gets NO criticism).

What we have seenfrom ALL consoles is they release new Ips thoughout it's life cycle and the successful ones get sequels. Some go multiplat but still remain on the original system.

With MS it was Halo (3, ODST, Wars,Reach, H4) ,Gears (1,2, 3, & the prequel), COD 2 (then 3,4,WOW 1&2,MW 1&2,BO 1&2), Elder Scrolls (Oblivion,Skyrim), Mass Effect (1,2,&3), Rainbox Six Vegas (1&2), Fable (2,3),Crackdown (1&2), Dead Rising (1&2), Forza (2,3,4, Horizon),Burnout (Revenge & Paradise), GRAW (1,2,Future), Lost Planet (1&2), L4D (1&2), Bioshock (1,2, Infinite), Condemned (1&2)...

The list goes on and on spanning over seven years.

The PS3 as well with Resistance, Motostorm, Little Big Planet, Killzone, Uncharted, God of War, Gran Turismo, Infamous, etc, etc. All were successful and got multiple titles throughout the year.

Both Sony and MS have Dance games, exercise games, kiddie games, casual games..

MS doesnt need to emulate what Sony does to be succdessful and still keep their core gamers happy and neither does Sony need to emiulate MS to be successful, but it's clear that both have similiar strategies.

Evil
MrBeatdown  +   693d ago
@EVIL

Of course you would take issue with common sense, and of course it's all to defend Microsoft, rather than respond to the actual point of my comment about gamers' interest in new IPs...

"Actually, Forza Horizon isn't even close to a Kinect game or a generic title. But for the record Just Dance is a Move game as well as Kinect."

Yeah, see, that's why I didn't call it a Kinect game or a game with a generic Kinect name like Kinect Sports or Kinect Adventures.

It's not a new IP. It's a Forza game. I'm not going to pretend Starhawk isn't the same IP as Warhawk just because it has major gameplay differences. I'm not going to pretend a Forza game isn't a Forza game for that same reason. At it's core, it's the same... a sim racer based on the same mechanics, just like Starhawk.

"If you are going to say this then anyone can see that the last new high profile IP out of Sony was Heavy Rain and thart actually came out BEFORE Alan Wake was released in the same year. So the truth is the new IP argument applies to BOTH Sony and MS, but certain people only pretend that it's only MS. "

You know why Sony can get away the past few years with a lack of new IPs? Because they don't need them. Their line-up is diverse enough as is. Their big games don't revolve around just three series getting sequels year after year. They have enough IPs to offer a diversity in their core line-up that Microsoft can't. Sony doesn't need the new IPs because they aren't dependent on Uncharted, Gran Turismo, and Killzone, the way Microsoft relies on Halo, Gears and Forza.

Sony has their supplements. They've got Resistance. MotorStorm. LittleBigPlanet. Infamous. Socom. Starhawk. Ratchet & Clank. All-Stars. Twisted Metal. Sly Cooper. That's TEN additional franchises.

That's just since 2011. What does Microsoft have to supplement Gears, Halo, and Forza in that same time frame? A Kinect dance game?

A lack of diversity is Microsoft's problem. New IPs are the solution. Sony doesn't need that solution, because they don't have the problem. But even then, Sony's still beating MS in new IPs.

But of course, certain people would prefer to ignore that truth, and ramble on about a list padded by timed 360 exclusives from 2006 and their multiplatform sequels as if they matter in a discussion of Microsoft's current crop of exclusives, and how open the gaming community is to new IPs.
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jetlian  +   693d ago
where did you get your numbers from kz3 was considered the worst selling in the series. Uncharted was bundled for over a year xbox gets seasonal bundles not a years worth.

ND never mention sells of it after the whole 3.8million in one day. Which was later changed to shipped WW. wheres the lbp2 numbers coming from never heard anything about it.

Point I was making last year oh sony has x amount of exclusives then most came and left like a fart in the wind.

we got twisted metal ,starhawk ,tales ,yakuza ,psa ,lbpk ,wonderbook, etc yea yea wheres the sales of all them.
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EVILDEAD360  +   693d ago
'Of course you would take issue with common sense, and of course it's all to defend Microsoft, rather than respond to the actual point of my comment about gamers' interest in new IPs'

I simply pointed out that MS is approaching this gen the same as Sony. But see how you need to take shots first. Now if I take shots back then we know who will cry wolf, so I'll keep to what you have used about IPS out of your own mouth.

FIRST you say:

'Seriously, the last new high profile IP out of Microsoft was Alan Wake three years ago'

But when I inform you how it's been even longer for Sony you spin it to say:

'You know why Sony can get away the past few years with a lack of new IPs? Because they don't need them. Their line-up is diverse enough as is.'

So just to repeat..

MS lack of new IPs in 3 years = BAD
Sony lack of new IPs in 3 years = OK because they have a more 'diverse' line-up.

Sounds like an opinion and smells like hypocrisy.

So then your reasoning that Sony doesnt need New IPs is because since 2011 (edited at the last minute from 2008) they had 10 sequels??

So thanks for proving what I wrote in my first statement:

'What we have seen from ALL consoles is they release new Ips thoughout it's life cycle and the successful ones get sequels'

At the end of the day, regardless of opinions both MS and Sony have found success with the strategies they chose.

Evil
MrBeatdown  +   693d ago
@EVIL

*****
"I simply pointed out that MS is approaching this gen the same as Sony. But see how you need to take shots first. Now if I take shots back then we know who will cry wolf, so I'll keep to what you have used about IPS out of your own mouth."
*****

Cry wolf? That's funny, considering every problem I've ever had with you stems from lies coming out of your mouth about me that were blatantly false. There's never been any "crying wolf", and I can back that up. Do we need to go down this road again?

I said you'd take issue with common sense to defend Microsoft, and that's exactly what you did. And that's exactly what you continue to do.

Let's recap. First I say...

*****
"Seriously, the last new high profile IP out of Microsoft was Alan Wake three years ago"
*****

An entirely true statement. You respond with...

*****
"But when I inform you how it's been even longer for Sony you spin it to say:

'You know why Sony can get away the past few years with a lack of new IPs? Because they don't need them. Their line-up is diverse enough as is.'

So just to repeat..

MS lack of new IPs in 3 years = BAD
Sony lack of new IPs in 3 years = OK because they have a more 'diverse' line-up.

Sounds like an opinion and smells like hypocrisy."
*****

You act as if I'm making excuses. You call it hypocrisy. That's it. You just dismiss it. Because I'm right. Actually disputing it would require an argument you don't have. All you could do was put "diverse" in quotes, as if it somehow makes my reasoning less valid. Diversity is what matters. A rotating selection of three IPs doesn't have it. A line-up of over a dozen in the same timeframe does. Only one has a problem, therefore only one needs a solution: New IPs.

******
"So then your reasoning that Sony doesnt need New IPs is because since 2011 (edited at the last minute from 2008) they had 10 sequels??

So thanks for proving what I wrote in my first statement:

'What we have seen from ALL consoles is they release new Ips thoughout it's life cycle and the successful ones get sequels'
*****

You act like I'm hiding from something. Editing 2008 out (even though I didn't) to pretend Microsoft hasn't released new IPs, ever. Yet I clearly mentioned Microsoft's games like Gears and Mass Effect and Too Human and Alan Wake before you showed up to play defense.

You act like I'm arguing that Microsoft has NEVER produced new IPs, when clearly I'm discussing their more recent strategy of relying on the same three IPs. I listed 2011 onward to prove a point. Microsoft moved away from producing anything outside of sequels to the same three franchises for two years, and it's clearly continuing on.

Three IPs. That's it. Versus what? A dozen or more IPs that Sony has released over the past few years. And two more new IPs are on the horizon. A huge, undeniable difference.

But you'd rather gloss over that. You try to make it sound like what MS and Sony do is identical... that they go through the same PROCESS...

"they release new Ips thoughout it's life cycle and the successful ones get sequels"

... but you blatantly ignore the RESULTS to make MS and Sony appear equal. Fact is, the results, and only the results are what matter.

That's reality. That's common sense. But like I said, that doesn't stop you from taking issue with it, because it doesn't favor Microsoft.
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EVILDEAD360  +   693d ago
@Beat

We know how when somone pins you in on an argument you just make new ones and derail the original argument.This will go on and on and on.

Here are YOUR arguments..your words..

About NEW Ips:

'Maybe if more NEW IPs were released, we'd see more of them selling. You pretend people aren't interested in NEW exclusives, but what new 360 exclusives have there been to be interested in? Just Dance? Kinect [Insert generic title here]?'
*****

FACT..Your argument is about NEW IPS. You go on to ask what 'NEW 360 exclusives' have there been to be interested in? The examples YOU use are Just Dance or a 'Generic Kinect game. I mention Forza Horizon as an example. FACTS

'Seriously, the last NEW high profile IP out of Microsoft was Alan Wake three years ago. Before that it was Too Human in 2008. What else has there been? Ninja Blade? Kinectimals? Kind of hard to prove that a quality NEW exclusive doesn't interest gamers when Microsoft hasn't even introduced any significant NEW IPs in years. You're just treating an assumption as fact.'

FACTS. You go out of your to say that the last 'NEW high profile IP' out of MS was Alan Wake 3 years ago and before that Too Human in 08. You mention NEW multiple times in fact I capitalized them so you know what YOU wrote.

I simply pointed out that Sony hadn't produced a 'New High profile IP' in 3 Years as well. which FACTUALLY was your original complaint about MS.

Your retort is:

'You know why Sony can get away the past few years with a lack of new IPs? Because they don't need them'

No one EVER asked you WHY Sony lacks New IPs, I simply pointed out that Sony as well as MS did not have a 'NEW High profile exclusive in 3 years'

Case Closed. The rest is your opinion making up fankid rules like your line-up has to be more diverse than my favorite consoles line-up to be legit.

We are in January of 2013. The 360 is the oldest console on the market this gen.

Let's compare your later theory of what was released on both consoles in 2012.

If you are going to claim that console exclusives in 2012 like Halo 4 (the biggest exclusive of the year), Witcher 2, Forza Horizon, Minecraft, Trials Evolution, Alan Wake Nightmares, Mark of the Ninja, Fez, Dance Central 3, Fable: The Journey etc. are not 'diverse' enough then maybe it's your opinion.

But maybe MS should have copied off of Sony and released Twisted Metal, Journey, StarHawk, AllStars, Wonderbook, Little Big planet Karting, Sorcery, Sports Champion 2 etc. because MS MUST release the exact kinds of games that Sony does to be diverse.

I could easily make an argument that I felt the 360 had the best line-up of console exclusives in comparison with the PS3 in 2012. But that is subjective and opinion. But one could also argue that just because you release more games than on your system than the others does not make those games or that system better or more relavant.

Just my take.

Evil
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MrBeatdown  +   693d ago
@EVIL

Lulz. That's precious. You think you've "pinned" me.

"Your argument is about NEW IPS"

Indeed it is. It's about new IPs. It's NOT about the lack of new IPs specifically being bad, which is what YOU make it out to be. You try to spin my argument to make it sound more simplistic than it is.

My REAL criticism is that Microsoft's line-up is lacking diversity. That's bad. New IPs is the obvious answer. The only alternative is rebooting old IPs. But how many does Microsoft have? There's Killer Instinct. What else... Blinx? Anyone want another Blinx? Anyone?

As I've said, a lack of diversity in their high profile first party line-up (not the Kinect stuff, not the XBLA stuff) is the only thing I've specified as a problem. New IPs is the solution. MS not pursuing that solution is what is bad. I NEVER said a lack of new IPs in itself is bad. You keep pretending I did though.

GET.
A.
CLUE.

Nukeitall wasn't specifically discussing the problem. He was discussing new IPs... the solution... and how it wouldn't work. That's why my comment to him was only about New IPs. It wasn't about WHY they need new IPs. He wasn't discussing it. I wasn't discussing it. It WAS NOT about WHY IT WAS NEEDED. It was about WHY IT WILL WORK. Two different topics. Two different topics you can't seem to separate in your head.

It wasn't until you showed up playing defense... rambling on about how new IPs aren't needed... how the solution I was talking about wasn't needed... that I had to specify the problem (a lack of diversity) to illustrate WHY the solution was needed.

But you being you, either failing to grasp my argument, or just arguing with logical reasoning that you don't like, you try to spin what I said to nukeitall to make it sound like I'm faulting Microsoft simply for not having new IPs just for the sake of having new IPs. You prefer to just ignore WHY I think MS needs new IPs... as a solution to their lacking line-up.

You can quote me all you want. Pretend you "pinned" me all you want. It doesn't change the fact that my argument makes perfect sense or in any way inconsistent. You just can't accept it, because you don't like it. Either that, or you're just not bright enough to separate elaborating from backtracking.

Bottom line: MS's first party content is lacking. If a cheesy Fable Kinect game, some XBLA stuff, and HALO HALO HALO works for you, good for you. For other people, it doesn't. New IPs is the obvious solution. And it's the solution that doesn't leave Microsoft and it's defense force hoping and praying for a big third-party game like Witcher 2 to come along to bolster a 2012 line-up that consisted of just a measly TWO first party games of any real significance.

That's my point. It's a valid point. Microsoft's first party publishing needs more than just Halo, Gears, and Forza in their top shelf line-up. As much as you don't want to hear criticism of Microsoft, it doesn't make it any less valid.
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trouble_bubble  +   690d ago
@jetlian
dude, the difference between KZ2 & KZ3 sales estimates on vgchartz are less than 400,000. Thats peanuts. Spinning KZ3 repeatedly here as some noteworthy 'worst selling' tragedy is ludicrous lunacy. Especially since the difference in North American sales is a mere 10,000 units. And KZ1 sold the least fyi. Gawd. With standards like that, where do games like Forza fit in with the last few titles selling millions less than its predecessors? Millions?

And fyi, XBox has bundles -all year-! Nothing seasonal about it. I don't even think its possible to buy a 360 without games bundled in 2013, and you'd be stupid if you did. Every week BestBuy, Future Shop, Walmart, Gamestop, Amazon have bundles. MS even release entirely new systems skins with sounds everytime a new Halo, COD, Gears drops. Kinect has been bundled since day one.

"...I simply pointed out that Sony as well as MS did not have a 'NEW High profile exclusive in 3 years...'

Ni No Kuni begs to differ. Journey did its thing last year too. More new IP coming this year including The Last of Us and the Puppeteer. Last Guardian's still in the works. Takes time to make em.
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Rebo00  +   694d ago
Their exclusives are filled with variety!
They have an FPS, a third-person shooter and a driving game :-)
JoelEH  +   694d ago
Comments above LMFAO
Bar_Brothers  +   694d ago
This comments are priceless
You and no one knows sh** about Next Gen, we dont know if MS is going big on hardore or big on Casual...

Nobody knows, nobody will know until 720 actually launches...

360 last 2 years have been very very casual and Ps3 very very Hardcore but i remember back at the begin of this Gen that 360 was pretty much hardcore and had almost none casual sh**.

But next gen might change.
NathanM  +   694d ago
I never said I knew anything about next-gen.
abzdine  +   694d ago
Microsoft know how to lie and fake the truth like they did with their first Kinect presentation at E3 so lots of pigeons will fall in their trap.
next xbox will be about COD, Halo and Gears and new version of Kinect. I dont believe they will get the attention from jap developers like they did in the start of 360 cause xbox is just doomed in japan
Braid  +   694d ago
I called it when I first saw the Kinect announcement. I called it even before the official announcement, when it was just referred to as "Nathal". I've been saying that a buttonless control scheme would never be good enough for the hardcore gamers, as they'd be so inaccurate, unresponsive and uneasy to use.

Forgive my words but not only I was proven right, but also it should be obvious after all the negative reception now that playing a modern game that requires your character to pull a set of complex moves effectively enough without an intermediary controlling device that has physical buttons is no more than just a dream, at least for now. A buttonless controller scheme will be worthy of the hardcore gamers' attenion only when an easy to adjust mind controller (neurologic game controller) is developed in the future.
Legion21  +   694d ago
Natal*
Braid  +   694d ago
Thanks for the correction Legion, guess I've been playing too much Uncharted lately.

Though I'd love to have an explanation from disagreers regarding how on earth a complex game like Assassin's Creed 3 would be played using Kinect. What I said above is not up to debate, you simply can not play a game that has a varied set of complex moves/actions by simply waving your hands, you'd eventually need something physical to take control over your character.

It's a good addition to enhance the experience, and a great way to navigate through the Xbox menu but that's about it.
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N4GDgAPc  +   691d ago
There is a way to control a character without a Controller. Create a device exactly like Sword Art Online where u put this thing over your head and u become the main character. You are Conner from Assassin's Creed 3!

So I can't wait till 2024. Which is when this was created in the anime.

Sorry just got done watching the anime series. I would have no real social life if that was real^^
TheRealHeisenberg  +   694d ago
I have supported all consoles this gen but I must say that I need to see more from MS that is not Kinect related. Also, if they continue to charge for Live Gold, they need to go to a similar model as PS+ and show lots of love for their subscribers. I will not get Live Gold again until there is more value in it.

Sony is not off the hook either. If they come out arrogant again with an overpriced console they will not get my money either. I payed $600 for the PS3. I will not pay that much again for a console; don't care what anybody has to say about that either.

I'm still a little pissed about the additional $160 I had to pay directly to Sony for repairs two months after the warranty expired but that did not stop me from buying a second PS3 and I plan to buy a third.

I don't plan on buying any of the new systems right away at this point. I'll just let things play out a bit.

@ @ WiiUsauce

They can't help themselves. Anything with MS or Xbox in the title draws them in like moths to a light.
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Rebo00  +   694d ago
Part arrogance, part poor design - the overpricing was mainly due to undeeded features not Sony trying to make huge profits :-)
Hicken  +   693d ago
First off, which features weren't needed? The only one they could sorta do without is backwards compatibility, and people weren't exactly happy with that.

As for "trying to make huge profits," how would they have pulled that off when they were STILL losing more than $100 on each system sold?
Fuzzynuts  +   691d ago
@Hicken
The 4 USB ports for one... and he said “NOT Sony trying to make huge profits” learn to read Hicken
Perjoss  +   694d ago
The only thing that worries me about the Next Xbox is if it doesn't get delivered to my house on launch day.
DeadSpaced  +   694d ago
I'd be more worried it it DID get delivered to your house on launch day..(Even if you used overnight shipping)
sway_z  +   694d ago
It's neither MS nor Sony that should be concerned, as people have proven they will buy any tat.

.....Nintendo has more to prove next gen, and since I'm not a shareholder, I'm not concerned with sales, I'm interested in what these new consoles can bring to the table.

MS have no choice but to bring new IP's (that wallet will be stretched) and Sony already has it's shhh together. Nintendo had a reasonable presentation recently, but some of those games (except Mario/Zelda/Yoshi ....all Nintendo's own IPs) are not 'mass marketable' world wide yet.
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from the beach  +   694d ago
I don't use the video stuff either but it doesn't really bother me that it's there - like it's there at the expense of games or something.

The rise of downloads and Kinect integration are two of the more exciting frontiers of modern-day gaming as far as I'm concerned, so I'm not too worried for next gen.
contradictory  +   694d ago
like always i'm gonna wait.
save money

see which will come through most
and then decide.
Rhythmattic  +   694d ago
People have invested in games and social interaction which is XBL...

They will do it again.... Dont be worried.
Father Murder X  +   694d ago
I own both systems and have since launch. I will probably own both systems next gen as well. I respect everyone's opinion on here but you guys got to stop pretending that Sony's exclusives are soooooooo awesome. You all on here praise the games like they are the best thing since sliced bread but the average game doesn't buy these games. Nothing they produced was a bit hit last year. The name of the game is to sell games. You all can bitch and moan about how Sony loves the gamer etc but if they were not making money they would be in the business. MS swings for the fences with their games and it appears that they dont
support it if its not going to be a blockbuster. That's good and bad. But they have made the right picks. The exclusives that they have are the system sellers.

The gamers that are on this site (myself) included are in the hardcore group. We know how many CPU cores are in the next gen systems, we know how much ram is in the systems, we know what the cell processor is. The average gamer doesn't they just buy what they think is cool and awesome. I don't know any hardcore gamer that owns a Wii but Nintendo found tens of millions of people who thought that the Wii was cutting edge technology. We know better but we are a small piece of the pie. I think that M$ had found a way to cater to both world's with their exclusives. They are not in trouble in the least bit so why make you mind up about a system when nothing official has been released but rumors and speculation.
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strickers  +   694d ago
I'm going back to PS only next Gen. I got my 360 first because I couldn't wait 16 months for PS3.
Loved L4D and like Gears but PS3 offered so much more varied games.
L4D won't be 360 exclusive if another is made and I don't like Halo.
The Wii was the worst console I've ever owned.
I'll be a one console guy again and happy for it.
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fossilfern  +   694d ago
How did MS get it so wrong? I loved the first Xbox and was never off it! And the 360 started off well but now the 360 is a total joke! I hope MS invests in more games and less bloody gimmicks.
DeadSpaced  +   694d ago
Bloody gimmicks is probably what they need to appease the hardcore crowd for a little while. New IPs would be nice, though.
Perjoss  +   694d ago
Do you mean gimmicks like achievements and access to the front end (X media bar) during gameplay? both features Sony totally copied. Not to mention some of the biggest companies in gaming history also copied achievements, Valve and Blizzard.
fossilfern  +   694d ago
no im talking gimmicks like kinect, and spending too much money on timmed exclusive DLC. As I said in my comment MS started off well and I enjoyed the first 2-3 years of the 360 but it took a steep dive.
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Funky_Homosapien  +   694d ago
the way i look at is who can build a better more robust OS/SOFTWARE...and the answer is Microsoft so i put my faith with them
SkullBlade169  +   694d ago
Windows 8 doesn't seem very robust to me, clearly their standards have dropped.
BlindMango  +   693d ago
So you are buying a gaming console for the OS/Software? Sure that stuff is definitely important now, but you won't be buying a GAMING console for its GAMES?
urwifeminder  +   694d ago
Pc new xbox and wii u is all i need nothing else counts for me.
lovegames718  +   694d ago
Microsoft can build better robust software? Plz show me how you inferred that by the exclusives xbox has been giving ppl. We all know Sony will always be known this gen for offering the best, most varied and robust lineup in gaming in respect to exclusives.

As for the Os claims lol I find that kind of irrelevant I play games, not Os. Either way Sony is very competent in that field. Love the vita Ps.

It boils down to this if xbox 720 focuses too much on kinect I won't get it, if it doesn't i'm all in.
dirthurts  +   694d ago
Uh, you do realize that Microsoft is the largest and most successful software company in the world yes?
Software is their thing. You really can't argue that.
Sure, Windows 8 is a bit of a dud, but it's only because the interface. The actual coding of it is superb. It's runs amazingly well.
Sony is a hardware company, software has never been their strong point.
They make a great tv though.
DEATHxTHExKIDx  +   694d ago
I am worried as well I bought a 360 first then a PS3 best of both worlds. BUt, I may get a PS4 first then next xbox depending on what happens the first few months of their releases.
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chukamachine  +   694d ago
I can't believe how many idiots bought a Kinect,lol.
WetN00dle69  +   694d ago
Just as many idiots that bought Move. So whats your point????
hazardman  +   694d ago
I'm getting an Xbox 720! There could be a thousand articles about ads, kinect and whatever else the haters want to throw in the mix, it won't make a difference either way the people that want one will get one and those that don't, wont? As with every console I expect new ips and several from this gen. Off topic if kinect doesn't take off in gaming well its ok, last night I was watching nova and the military was using a drone made with kinect. That shit was crazy! The article sucked ass too it was the typical crying about nothing.
zerocrossing  +   694d ago
I'm not trying to instigate any fanboy riots here but, I think the serious lack of MS fans spamming this article in blind defence of the next box is tad concerning.
Perjoss  +   694d ago
they are probably busy, you know, playing games.
Dms2012  +   693d ago
Perjoss makes a good point.
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dirthurts  +   694d ago
I think I'm going to wait and see what both companies actually offer before I make judgement.
The_Infected  +   694d ago
I just wish they would announce the damn things already!
CGI-Quality  +   693d ago
So your saying Move and Kinect sold the same amount? Wow, and here many Xbox fans called Move a "laughing stock" because it sold "so much less than Move". Silly me :D

OT: I'm not worried about the next Xbox. I already have it and the PS4 on my radar and I'm not looking back.
LNDCalling  +   694d ago
Well despite being based on somewhat old suggested dev kit specs the creator of FXAA (an Nividia employee) pretty much sums up his thoughts on next-gen.

http://timothylottes.blogsp...

Given that the more recent dev kit specs do not stray far from this (as far as we know) I kind of agree.. Whether you do will depend if you relate MS's current stance on 'casual' to the suggested specs and whether or not a living room 'all-in-one' box would impress you more than a dedicated 'Games Console'?

Either way I believe we will be blown away by games on either console.

(Tim's view has caused a stir on Neogaf's / VGleaks forums but should be viewed as what it is, an honest opinion based on current understanding together with the current 'best-guess' on what next gen specs will be – regardless of whether ‘Wizard Jizz' or ‘Special Sauce’ is best)
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Dms2012  +   693d ago
Timothy seems to know much more about Orbis than Durango, yet he comes to comes to these conclusions that the Ps4 will be so much better. Smells like fanboy to me.
inFAMOUS_KRATOS  +   694d ago
i don't know why all disagree xbox super fans thinks call of duty is triple a game, will let me tell you is not.

i already made up my mind about the next gen and sony is the only way to go for me

heres the 3 reasons

GT6

GOD OF WAR

SOCOM
LNDCalling  +   694d ago
Or to summarise…. GAMES!

Agreed!
Father Murder X  +   694d ago
Man Sony butchered SOCOM so bad I don't think that we will see it again. I hope that i AM wrong.
palaeomerus  +   694d ago
Anyone who knows what "AAA game" actually means KNOWS that Call of Duty is AAA.

It's not about awards or fanboy appreciation or any of that nonsense. AAA is about the size of the development and marketing budget and anticipated desire. it is how much a publisher is willing to risk for what they think will be a hit.

Even in terms of popularity and demand your silly premise is not true.

SOCOM is poor selling awkward garbage and has been since the second one came out on the PS2. GT6 doesn't exist yet. God of War is much much much less popular than Call of Duty. It's almost irrelevant by comparison. If Sony could trade the God of War IP to Activision for the Call of Duty IP they would do it in a heartbeat because it is worth vastly more money ultimately. It doesn't matter if a few fanboys don't like it. A few fanboys don't matter at all to the games industry and never did. "A few fanboys" are lucky to get something like 3D.Gameheroes once in a blue moon.
zerocrossing  +   694d ago
Sorry but that's BS, AAA titles arent determined by their wide appeal or the size of their development team, they are determined by the overall quality of their respective genre, COD may have a huge dev team and fan base but it has improved little since the original Modern Warfare.

Look at games like Shadow of the Collosus and Demon/Dark Souls, the development teams were small in comparison to most dev teams and both had little antisapation before release, yet they are both regarded as AAA titles.
inFAMOUS_KRATOS  +   694d ago
that has to be the most close minded bs i have ever read on this site, i never said any of those games sell more then call of duty neither did i boast socom, i simply said those main games overall are my favorite and playstation has them.

call of duty is not triple AAA game bro, in your case then fifa is also and madden...... i think you get the scenerio

quality over quanity
jmac53  +   694d ago
I love how people are deciding already not to buy the next Xbox based entirely on rumors. It really is the most idiotic thing I have heard in awhile. Microsoft has tasted blood this generation and there is no way they will cede to Sony the next. Why would they give up all the hard work they did to make it where they are. Yes, I do despise the fascination with casual but I don't think they have forgotten the hardcores that got them where they are.
Microsoft will go with game plan they had with the 360, which was to come out with a kickass system with a lot of exclusives thus securing the hardcore. After that they will focus on the casual and gaining more market share once the system is cheaper to make and the price drops.
LNDCalling  +   694d ago
I half agree re rumors but im not sure Microsoft's investors would agree.

Windows is Microsoft's biggest earner and in light of PC's decline (like it or not it lits true-and that's coming from a PC gamer with 4 homebuilds under his belt), and the increase in demand and use of Android and IOS for people's day to day needs, they need to make PC and Windows mainstream and what better way to do than to bring in to the front room as an all in wonder box?
Npugz7  +   694d ago
I agree! I can't believe people are deciding not to get the next xbox over bullshit rumours that aernt even true.
animegamingnerd  +   694d ago
the next xbox will likely be the last of the 3 systems i get
Belking  +   694d ago
I'm not worried. I'll save judgement til after we actually know something or at least MS confirms it's existence.
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superterabyte  +   694d ago
The problem with Xbox
The problem with Xbox is plain and simple it's made and run by Microsoft the second worst technology company in the world. I think you know the worst but here's a clue they are also American.
jmac53  +   694d ago
Apple?
IG-88  +   694d ago
nope IBM.
superterabyte  +   694d ago
Jmac53 Thats the one =D
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