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Submitted by CaptainofCrush 1133d ago | rumor

Europe Weekly Chart, Ending 22nd Dec 2012


1: PS3 - 325,494 (+9%)
2: 3DS - 261,541 (+10%)
3: X360 - 190,727 (+6%)
4: Wii - 106,813 (+7%)
5: PSV - 77,447 (+14%)
6: DS - 72,419 (+9%)
7: WiiU - 70,587 (+1%)
8: PSP - 12,544 (+20%)


1: (PS3) Call of Duty: Black Ops II - 297,962
2: (Wii) Just Dance 4 - 278,438
3: (X360) Call of Duty: Black Ops II - 264,449
4: (PS3) FIFA 13 - 210,341
5: (X360) Far Cry 3 - 181,392
6: (PS3) Far Cry 3 - 179,044
7: (PS3) Assassin's Creed III - 161,131
8: (3DS) New Super Mario Bros. 2 - 151,290
9: (X360) FIFA 13 - 145,956
10: (X360) Halo 4 - 144,957 (3DS, Nintendo DS, PS Vita, PS3, PSP, Wii, Wii U, Xbox 360)

Hard to tell
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Abash  +   1133d ago
PS3 dominated in both hardware and software sales
NukaCola  +   1133d ago
The Just Dance series is nuts on the numbers. It's always on top somewhere.
zeeshan  +   1133d ago
VGCharts? Really?
solar  +   1133d ago
zeeshan said it. i agree with it.
mewhy32  +   1132d ago
Where are the US market numbers? The US market is the largest gaming market on the planet. I'm interested in what that one.

USA Weekly Chart Ending Dec22 2012

X360 501,426 (+7%) 38,649,638
PS3 257,686 (+9%) 23,718,069

X360 5,641,581 (+14%) 415,526,891
Wii 3,617,465 (+16%) 416,475,024
PS3 3,022,882 (+7%) 255,099,204
deep_fried_bum_cake  +   1132d ago

The US numbers will be on an article on the US numbers. Though you clearly didn't need to know that as you posted numbers for it anyway.

Your comment is the equivalent of saying "'MURICA NO.1!!! WOOOOEEEEE!!! Go XBOX!!!"
xursz  +   1132d ago
Forget about sony and msft. Those WiiU numbers are absolutely terrible.
AngelicIceDiamond  +   1133d ago
Congrats to PlayStation but I thought you guys said the VGChartz were made up numbers?
Dms2012  +   1133d ago
I was thinking the same thing.
1Victor  +   1133d ago
Because it is in Europe they say PS3 is just over 100k over the 360 wile in the U.S its over 200k and then comes Sony and Microsoft official end of the year and vgc numbers are not even close to Microsoft or Sony numbers.They NEVER FIX THEIR NUMBERS TO REFLECT THE OFFICIAL NUMBERS FROM S OR M
insomnium2  +   1133d ago
Ummm..... we DO say they are made up. You are just rushing things by saying we don't based on ONE comment. That's just sad man....
Anon1974  +   1132d ago
I've been pointing out that you can't trust VGChartz for years because it's all just made up. They don't stand by their own figures (read their terms of use sometime) they aren't used by anyone in the industry, it's just a fan run site by a ex-Neogaffer who was ultimately banned for forcing his BS guesstimates down everyone's throats.

He even admitted in an interview a few years ago regarding Metal Gear sales in Europe that they didn't have any sources for Europe, it was complete guess work. Who knows what they're going off of now, because they'll never reveal where they get their information from or how they calculate their data.

Occasionally you'll see someone comment on the data who doesn't know any better, but that's bound to happen and the majority of posters here know better than to trust these figures. Just glance down and you'll see post after post of people acknowledging the nature of vgchartz's guesses. You even see websites sometimes who should know better basing articles off these made up figures but you don't have to scratch very hard at the surface of this data compared to NPD or official numbers to release that something is often seriously off.

But all it takes is a quick history check on AngelicIce's comments to see what's going on here. Clearly you're just insinuating that "You guys all love the site because it shows the PS3 favourably but when the shoe's on the other foot blah blah blah." Yeah. We've heard it all before and aside from the odd poster every now and then, I think everyone pretty much agrees VGChartz is BS. You're certainly not the first one to try to stir this particular pot.
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Knight_Crawler  +   1133d ago
As muck as you may hate Activison, they are the real winners in terms of sales this gen.

Call of duty has managed to out sell every 360 and PS3 exclusive this gen and is the number one played game on the 360 and PS3.

This just goes to show you that N4G users and other gaming websites users who claim to be hard core are the minority.

No one wants to say it but congrats to Activison for making Call of Duty the 360 and PS3 most played game.
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punisher99  +   1133d ago
"No one wants to say it but congrats to Activison for making Call of Duty the 360 and PS3 most played game."

And congrats to them for making the biggest over hyped and overrated franchise of all time.
kane_1371  +   1133d ago
i agree that Call Of Duty is the same crap over and over again every year.

but the reason this game sells is the MP and there is no other game, and i repeat no other game that has the same fast paced Shooter feeling to it, with 60FPS

that is the truth and we have to deal with it!
Shane Kim  +   1132d ago
You mean there is no other game where the main character feels like he is floating, all while covered in vaseline with a gun that weights like a feather?

You got that right.
blackblades  +   1133d ago
Ps3 always on top in europe and japan if they focus on china with there over billion population it'll be more domination, go and disagree haters.
ravinash  +   1132d ago
Only problem with that is Japanese companies would have a hard time in China. The two countries don't tend to get a long.
ronin4life  +   1132d ago
Normally I would say that is an over generilazation... but after last years anti japanese riots...

Also @blackblades, Ps3 is not always on top. The wiiu and 3ds are besting it in Japan. So your argument is flawed there anyway.
blackblades  +   1132d ago
Well they always on top over xbox
shutUpAndTakeMyMoney  +   1133d ago
Ps3 price drop same week as the last of us would be a big seller.

Also ps4 will own.
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XB1_PS4  +   1132d ago
The info above is only for the Europe sales. Ps3 didn't dominate, if you'd actually click the link.
Ezz2013  +   1133d ago
vgchartes numbers are made up and wrong
wait for sony and MS real numbers
360ICE  +   1133d ago
They're estimates extrapolated from select retail samples. It's a given that they're not 100% correct, and often they're off by quite a bit. But if you look at comparisons to the actual sales number they're rarely far off. Sometimes they are. Most times not.
Tommykrem  +   1133d ago
Oh, no! Nuance! Instant bubble down.
Ezz2013  +   1133d ago
vgchartes numbers are wrong

i said this in another topic 18days ago replaying to someone who said this :
******this gen according to vgchartz 360 has 72.3 million units while ps3 has 70.3 million units.****

and that's my comment
*******you lost every credibility when talked about numbers from vgchartes

from both sony and ms :.
PS3 hits 70m to go neck-and-neck with Xbox 360

by vgchartes logic (if they had any)
since they tied in sales
ps3 didn't sell one single console
while xbox sold 3m world wide ?!lol WTF is going on in that site

if there is any one can believe vgchartes ... then he's just a tool or dumb

should i trust Vgchartes
should i trust the owners them self ?!
hmmmmmmmm... tough question;) **********
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GribbleGrunger  +   1133d ago
The reason for that discrepancy is that when Sony and Microsoft release their shipped numbers, VGChartz then has to estimate how many of those shipped consoles sell through the month.

Perhaps some people aren't 'tools or just dumb' but rather 'balanced and logical'.

I'm a Sony fan just like you but there is no way in hell that the PS3 is now level with the 360 -- let alone, ahead. Fans on both sides get suckered by the shipped numbers, and it needs to stop if we are to have any semblance of intelligent discourse on the subject of console sales.

A lesson on the difference between heated debate and childish arguing wouldn't go amiss.
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PeZuS  +   1133d ago
Let it go, Gribble. There's no way people on here will ever see their big gaps in logic. It's a question of shipped to retailers vs. sold to consumers. How some people can't grasp those concepts is beyond me, but they just can't.
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360ICE  +   1133d ago
Their numbers are wrong, as in not precise. And I'm sure you understand the difference between estimating last week's sales and keeping track of lifetime sales. One of them is done quickly and based on limited, and projected information while the other one can be tracked in completely accurate reports that take ALL SALES INTO CONSIDERATION. With a slight delay in reporting. Can you guess which is which?

And if VGchartz estimations for this week have the same accuracy as their life time predictions, then they'd be off by about 2,83% (If you go by the 360 numbers, which are the least accurate. AND DON'T EVEN COUNT THE MONTH'S DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO REPORTS). So if you're really maximally strict with VGChartz, and use their average accuracy to "correct" the 360 sales last week they would have sold 185 thousand and not 190! Help, what a shocking and terrifying difference! FALSE NUMBERS! THESE NUMBERS ARE MADE UP LIES.

No, but please learn basic math.
Of course, it makes a world of difference to you, because your select console leading is what gets you up in the morning. And I agree. You can get more precise lifetime numbers from Sony and MS than from VGChartz, but VGChartz haven't made up last weeks numbers. They've estimated them. And are likely to be between 1 - 4% off, kind of the same as election polling. Their estimation for the last week is likely to be fairly accurate. That was my only point.

edit: slight correction in one of the numbers
And I'm also aware that smaller week-by-week number samples are more mercurial than several of the same kind over a large amount of time, but then again I was pretty strict with VGchartz in my estimations. Leaving out all the 360 sales that may have happened during Christmas.
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BitbyDeath  +   1133d ago
Not long now til the real numbers are released.
Tommykrem  +   1133d ago
Wow. You just got burnt by someone named Ice. Twice, even.
When you're challenged on your assessment of weekly estimations, it's generally not a good idea to counter with lifetime sales. Apparently small differences over little time become big differences after a lot of time.

I've never seen a more moderate and factual comment get that many disagrees.
kikizoo  +   1133d ago
"I'm a Sony fan just like you but there is no way in hell that the PS3 is now level with the 360 -- let alone, ahead"

no way in hell, they are not (probably ahead),and stop talking about shipped/sold, it's ridiculous.
Lvl_up_gamer  +   1132d ago
You do understand that Sony and MS numbers are shipped to retail while VGChartz numbers are based on sold to customers right?

The numbers will always be different because Sony and MS have units on the shelves that have yet to be sold therefore their numbers will ALWAYS be higher then what VGChartz will be.

Yes VGChartz are estimates, but they are more accurate then MS and Sony's numbers are if we are considering sold at retail and not sold to retail.
GribbleGrunger  +   1133d ago
Welcome to the least favourite VGchartz thread.

Good numbers in Europe for the PS3 as usual and 3DS still blazing a trail.
Ezz2013  +   1133d ago
i didn't mean to offend you or any one
and i'm sorry for that

it just i'm not the only one who don't trust vgchartes and for good reasons

BTW GribbleGrunger
both sony and MS report shipped numbers for their consoles
and both get the money from those shipped consoles
read this from the horse mouse
"The company ***shipped*** 1.7 million units during the quarter, which is also down from the 2.3 million it shipped last year."

again wait for the real numbers from both MS and Sony
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Lvl_up_gamer  +   1132d ago
You keep saying "wait for the real numbers" but what are you counting as "real" numbers?

MS and Sony don't release "real" numbers, they release (like you said) shipped numbers. So what numbers are you expecting?

Do you want shipped to retailers or do you want sold to customers?

Stop getting the 2 mixed up. Shipped numbers means nothing. MS or Sony could ship 60 million units but that doesn't mean they have a 60 million install base for that console.

What matters is the install base of each console. Those numbers are only produced when a console is sold to the general public at retail. Those are the difficult numbers to track because many outlets in other countries don't have an overall tracking solution.

To all the people that say "wait for the real numbers" or "VGChartz are fake numbers" please indicate WHAT numbers you want because you guys seem to confuse MS and Sony's SHIPPED numbers for SOLD @ RETAIL TO CUSTOMER numbers.
B1663r  +   1132d ago

The retailers are not buying consoles that do not sell. Shipped numbers are consoles sold, by Microsoft or Sony to retailers, Walmart, Best Buy and Amazon.

If Sony shipped an errant 50k consoles to Walmart that they did not want, I assure you that Walmart would refuse the shipment.

VGChartz has never detailed how they come up with their numberz. They have indicated that they call retailers and simply ask them, but retailers generally don't do that. Generally they keep inventory information private, because their competitors would use that information to gauge their own inventory requirements.

VGChartz is what it is... They post provocative articles, then intensely sell advertising on their webpage.

The worst thing they do is retroactively change their numberz in order to hide their mistakes which are pretty routinely 20% off of actual sales.

It was a guy named "The Source" who invented this idea of "channel stuffing" to explain why their numberz are continuously inaccurate. But once again... the retailers dictate how many consoles they get shipped, not the wholesalers.
bigfish  +   1133d ago
PS3 on top,, get in!!
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josephayal  +   1133d ago
Another Supreme Victory for Sony
DivineAssault  +   1133d ago
Maybe im in the wrong country lol.. Europe is where sony rules & here in america, ppl are obsessed with xbox for some odd reason.. I get the network & UI is better but the choices of software available on PS3 is much better to me.. i have xbox but it just sits there collecting dust cuz i dont pay for xblg & w/o it, its useless.. I refuse to pay em that money for a service i get free elsewhere.. Oh, i dont like guns blazing games either so i have no use for it.. Guess i have to sell it soon
MasterCornholio  +   1133d ago
Good job Sony.
kingslayer1000  +   1133d ago
Ps3 owning it again, no surprise here
Clarence  +   1133d ago
This bull$hit when you click read story vgchartz has the ps3 selling 257k
When you go to the actual site they have the ps3 at 284k.

They have even changed the numbes for the 360. Vgchartz has no idea what there doing. Always seem confused about what the actual numbes for consoles are.

If you notice the have now lowered both ps3 and 360 numbes. They dropped the 360 numbers down to 505k and the ps3 numbers down to 257k. They have been known for over estimating for the 360 and under estimating for the PS3. I willing to bet that the PS3 is tied with 360 in consoles sold.
stage88  +   1133d ago
Great numbers for Sony
Zefros  +   1133d ago
I don't even get why vgchartz are allowed. Ofcourse sony is doing well in europe, and they probably undertracked ps3 sales again.
deadfrag  +   1133d ago
And the Wii keeps the sales,even after announce death by nintendo!Go figure! Im guessing that nintendo will have the full shops stock sale during 2013,and it could happen that the slim Wii will actually come to EU shops if this sales trend continues!Yes im talking about the Wii not Wii U.
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TristanV1  +   1133d ago
i get banned from VGCHARTZ all the time for saying the truth.who ever runs that site is a dictator you cant say shit,we are adults dammit let us argue
neogeo  +   1133d ago
umm. I seem to be the only one that noticed the WiiU sales are looking real bad? I'm getting a little scared.
Killzoner99  +   1133d ago
kupomogli  +   1133d ago
Sony always wins. That PSTriple.
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sak500  +   1132d ago
"SONY WINS" Last place that is. remember the ad for sony ? 3rd Place, they themselves said in their ad back in 2007 or 2008.
CouldHaveYelledUiiW  +   1133d ago
Oh no! Queue the "PlayStation 4 is going to be a UK/Europe, ONLY console" articles.

Oh never mind, that kind of journalism only happens against Nintendo.

Congrats Sony, I hope that the PS4 does well too.
I am a Nintendo Fan-man, but I wish the competition no utter-failure.
CouldHaveYelledUiiW  +   1132d ago
I have to buy a PS3 for Heavy Rain & Beyond. I for that I "hate(lol)" you for having Quantic Dreams >:(

but "Love" that someone, Sony, was smart enough to invest in that company.
Stevo2k  +   1132d ago
If sony is anywhere near ms in sales after the years head start they had...then its gotta be all good.
memots  +   1132d ago
Fake number bla bla bla.
Stock price bla bla bla.
North American = the world bla bla bla.
Ship not sold bla bla bla.
Attach rate bla bla bla.

Do you guys stop and read the comment section on every VgChartz article. Its pretty pathetic.

Story quality? WTF
Like this website? NO
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urwifeminder  +   1132d ago
So these matter this week,wow way to be selective.
maniacmayhem  +   1131d ago
If VGChartz are all made up and wrong then why does this site keep getting posted on N4G?

I find it hilarious that everyone is quick to jump on VGChartz and dismiss its sales data and keep saying wait for MS and Sony. Shouldn't everyone (which looks like the majority here) be instead voting to ban this site from ever being posted on N4G again?

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